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CBS SUNDAY MORNING.
>> WELCOME BACK TO
THE TAKEOUT. WELCOME BACK TO THE
CONVERSATION. COURTNEY, YOU KNOW
HOW MUCH I LOVE TO HANG OUT
HERE. CHECK YOUR CALENDAR. YEAH,
WE'RE STILL MORE THAN A YEAR
AWAY FROM THE ELECTION TO ELECT
SOUTH CAROLINA'S NEXT GOVERNOR,
BUT IT IS GEARING UP ALREADY TO
BE A VERY COMPETITIVE RACE. THE
STATE'S LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR,
ITS ATTORNEY GENERAL, A STATE
SENATOR, AND TWO MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS ARE VYING AGAINST ONE
ANOTHER TO WIN THE REPUBLICAN
PRIMARY, WHICH WOULD ALMOST
CERTAINLY LEAD TO THE
GOVERNORSHIP. AT LEAST, THAT'S
BEEN THE TREND LINE RECENTLY.
ONE OF THOSE CANDIDATES JOINS ME
HERE IN THE CONVERSATION CORNER
SOUTH CAROLINA LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR PAMELA. YVETTE. YVETTE,
IS THAT CORRECT? EVART. EVART.
>> THANK YOU.
>> PAMELA, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE
YOU HERE. THANKS FOR JOINING ME.
WHAT DISTINGUISHES YOU IN THIS
RACE AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF
ELECTED GOVERNOR DIFFERENTLY
THAN HENRY MCMASTER, THE CURRENT
GOVERNOR?
>> SO WHAT DISTINGUISHES ME IS
THAT I'VE SPENT THE MAJORITY OF
MY LIFE IN THE BUSINESS SECTOR.
I STARTED A BUSINESS, CREATED
THAT INTO A NATIONAL COMPANY,
AND THEN LEFT MY BUSINESS TO
SERVE WITH THE GOVERNOR. I'M
THE FIRST LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR,
ELECTED WITH A GOVERNOR. SO
GOVERNOR MCMASTER AND I ARE DEAR
FRIENDS, AND WE WORK HAND IN
GLOVE. AND HE'S ASKED ME TO
SERVE WITH HIM TWO TERMS. AND SO
I THINK THAT DISTINGUISHES ME
FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. I'M NOT A
CAREER POLITICIAN. I'VE SIGNED
THE FRONT OF PAYCHECKS. I'VE
BALANCED BUDGETS, I'VE CREATED
JOBS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN
SOUTH CAROLINA. THE MOMENTUM AND
TREND IS THEY WANT A BUSINESS
GOVERNOR, SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN
ABLE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS.
>> I KNOW POLLING AT THIS STAGE
OF A RACE IS NOT VERY HELPFUL,
BUT THERE IS ONE POLL. NANCY
MACE, WHO'S BEEN ON THE SHOW
19%. YOU, 18%. AG ALAN WILSON,
16%, 35% UNDECIDED. WHAT'S THE
STATE OF THE.
>> RACE?
>> IN PRIMARY?
>> YEAH, IT'S THE PRIMARY,
RIGHT? THIS RACE WILL BE DECIDED
IN THE PRIMARY. THAT'S THE WAY
IT'S BEEN IN SOUTH.
>> BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> YEAH, I THINK SO. YOU KNOW I
I'M VERY PROUD. YOU KNOW
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE ONE THAT
KIND OF INSPIRED ME TO LEAVE MY
BUSINESS AND RUN. RIGHT. I WAS A
TRUMP SUPPORTER WHEN I WAS
SITTING AT MY DESK GOING, WE
NEED SOMETHING ELSE IN
GOVERNMENT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN
JANUARY OF 23, WHEN THE
PRESIDENT CAME TO SOUTH CAROLINA
TO TALK ABOUT RUNNING AGAIN, OUT
OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAS
THROWN THEIR HAT IN THE RACE FOR
GOVERNOR, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT
STOOD WITH THEM BECAUSE I REALLY
BELIEVED HE WAS WHAT THE NATION
NEEDED. AND I WORKED REALLY
HARD. I'VE TRAVELED ALL AROUND
THE STATE, TRAVELED TO NEW
HAMPSHIRE WITH THEM, RAISED A
LOT OF MONEY FOR HIM IN HIS 2020
AND 2024 RACE, AND SO, YOU KNOW,
AND I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT
HE'S DONE. AND I THINK HE'S
INSPIRED A LOT OF BUSINESS
PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR
COMFORT ZONE AND TAKE THEIR
KNOWLEDGE INTO THE PUBLIC SECTOR
AND TRY TO MAKE GOVERNMENT
BETTER.
>> DOES THIS PRIMARY COME DOWN
TO WHO HE ENDORSES?
>> I THINK A BIG CHUNK OF IT
SOUTH CAROLINA, IT'S A IT'S A
IT'S A TRUMP STATE. AND, YOU
KNOW, WE SAW THAT WE HAD TWO
SOUTH CAROLINIANS BIDEN TO RUN
AGAINST HIM FOR PRESIDENT. AND
PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU KNOW, HEAVY
HANDEDLY TOOK THE STATE BY
STORM. AND SO I THINK PEOPLE
LISTEN AND LOOK. AND THE
GOVERNOR IS REALLY IMPACTFUL IN
THE STATE. HE'S A VERY POPULAR
GOVERNOR. HE TOOK US THROUGH
COVID VERY WELL, AND THE STATE
HAS BEEN THRIVING UNDER OUR
ADMINISTRATION.
>> IF HE'S WATCHING, WHAT'S
YOUR.
>> PITCH TO THE PRESIDENT? YOU
KNOW, I'M YOUR PERSON. I'VE
BEEN LOYAL AND I'VE BEEN THERE
FOR YOU. AND I LOVE EVERYTHING
YOU DO AND I WANT TO TAKE THE
THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING MAKING
AMERICA GREAT AND BRING IT RIGHT
TO SOUTH CAROLINA.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
WHAT'S GOING ON AT CLEMSON. IT
HAS FIRED TWO FACULTY MEMBERS
AND ONE STAFF MEMBER OVER SOCIAL
MEDIA POSTS RELATED TO THE
ASSASSINATION OF CHARLIE KIRK.
YES. HOW DO YOU COME DOWN ON
THAT? AND DO YOU HAVE ANY
CONCERN THAT THIS KIND OF FIRING
FOR SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, SEPARATE
FROM WHAT THEIR ACTUAL JOB IS,
INFRINGES ON FREE SPEECH?
>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK
THERE'S ANYBODY THAT CAN ARGUE
THAT THE FOUNDATION OF THIS
NATION IS FREE SPEECH, AND WE
SHOULD HAVE IT. BUT I'M A
BUSINESS PERSON, AND WHEN
SOMEBODY IS FREE, SPEECH STARTS
TO INTERSECT AND HURT YOUR
COMPANY, YOUR BRAND. THOSE ARE
TWO SEPARATE THINGS. THERE'S
CONSEQUENCES. THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE'S CONSEQUENCES. RIGHT.
AND AT CLEMSON, MY SON GOES
THERE AND I WAS VERY OUTSPOKEN.
I KNOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE
COLLEGE VERY WELL. HIM AND I
TALKED ABOUT THIS. I DIDN'T JUST
RUN OUT TO SOCIAL MEDIA. WHAT I
AM UPSET WITH IS THAT I HEAR
OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM MY
CHILDREN, MY CHILDREN'S FRIENDS.
I HAVE THREE CHILDREN FROM
NIECES AND NEPHEWS. YOU KEEP
KEEPS BUILDING. HOW MANY KIDS?
HE'LL SAY, GO AND ASK STUDENTS
ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES HOW MANY
TIMES THEY'VE HAD TO WRITE A
PAPER OR TALK IN A TONE OR A
TENSE THAT THEY DON'T AGREE
WITH FOR FEAR OF RETRIBUTION BY
A PROFESSOR? SO WHEN WE TALK.
>> OF A BAD GRADE OR WORSE.
>> EXACTLY. SO WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT THIS, WHY ARE WE ALWAYS SO
WORRIED ABOUT PROTECTING THE
PROFESSOR AND NOT THE KIDS THAT
YOU KNOW, ARE SITTING IN A
CLASSROOM THAT A LOT OF PARENTS
AND A LOT OF KIDS FEEL LIKE
THEY'RE TRYING TO BE
INDOCTRINATED? WHY AREN'T WE
USING COLLEGES TO CULTIVATE
CRITICAL THINKING? YOU KNOW,
WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, I BEST
PROFESSORS COULD ARGUE BOTH
SIDES OF A POINT AND I COULD
WALK OUT OF THAT LECTURE AND
NEVER KNOWING WHAT THEIR POINT
OF VIEW WAS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE
HAVE TO GET BACK TO TEACHING
CRITICAL THINKING.
>> SO HOW DOES THAT EMBRACE OF
CRITICAL THINKING FACTOR FACTOR
THROUGH YOUR EVALUATION OF JIMMY
KIMMEL?
>> SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M A
BUSINESS PERSON. WAS THAT
FIRING, YOU KNOW, COMING BECAUSE
AS A BUSINESS DECISION BY DISNEY
THAT HIS RATINGS WEREN'T WHAT
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. WAS IT
OUTRAGE FROM MARKETS THAT EVEN
NOW WITH HIM COMING BACK ON,
THERE ARE MARKETS.
>> TO HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY
THE FCC CHAIRMAN.
>> BUT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM
WHAT I'VE READ AND AGAIN, THIS
IS JUST BY WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT
I'VE READ IS THAT THEY WERE
MOSTLY CALLING HIM OUT FOR SOME
OF THE REMARKS HE MADE, SAYING
THAT THE SHOOTER WAS MAGA. SO IT
WAS A LIE, NOT SO MUCH WHAT HE
SAID, BUT YOU CAN'T LIE ABOUT
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I
THOUGHT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE
THE PUSH CAME FROM. AND I THINK
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE
GET OUT THERE AND WE SAY THINGS.
I THINK THIS RHETORIC, I REALLY
WAS KIND OF OFFENDED, LIKE
EVERYBODY SAYING, YOU KNOW, BOTH
SIDES NEED TO TONE DOWN THE
RHETORIC WHEN I LITERALLY SAW
DEMOCRATS OVER THE YEARS, YOU
KNOW, MAXINE WATERS COMING OUT
AND SAYING, IF YOU SEE MAGA
PEOPLE, IF YOU SEE REPUBLICANS
GET IN THEIR FACE, MAKE THEM
UNCOMFORTABLE, PUSH THEM OUT OF
PUBLIC PLACES. I MEAN, THAT IS
REALLY VIOLENT RHETORIC. AND
WE'VE WE'VE CONSISTENTLY SEEN
THAT COMING FROM THE DEMOCRATS.
I NEVER SAW WHEN THOSE MINNESOTA
LAWMAKERS WERE KILLED. I NEVER
SAW ONE REPUBLICAN REJOICE IN
THAT WHEN IT CAME TO, YOU KNOW,
RECOGNIZING THEM ON THE HOUSE
FLOOR, THE DEMOCRATS AND THE
REPUBLICANS UNITED TO COME
TOGETHER TO SAY, YES, WE SHOULD.
YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS
HORRIBLE INCIDENT HAPPENED. WE
SAW DEMOCRATS THAT WOULDN'T,
YOU KNOW, GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION
TO CHARLIE KIRK. AND I THINK
THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T LUMP US
ALL IN TOGETHER. YOU HAVE TO
CALL OUT BAD BEHAVIOR. AND AND I
THINK WE HAVE TO BE FAIR WHEN WE
CALL THAT OUT.
>> AND YOU ONLY SEE IT ON THE
LEFT.
>> YEAH. I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN
MUCH OF IT. I'M NOT CALLING FOR
VIOLENT ACTS. I'VE NOT SEEN
THAT. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING I'VE
SEEN EVERY REPUBLICAN ACROSS THE
COUNTRY IN WHAT THEY'VE SAID,
BUT I'VE REALLY SEEN A BIG
UPTICK IN CALLING REPUBLICANS A
THREAT TO DEMOCRACY, CALLING OUR
PRESIDENT A NAZI THAT JUST
INCITES AND MOVES PEOPLE WHO MAY
BE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES. SO I THINK THE RHETORIC
NEEDS TO BE TONED DOWN, AND I
HOPE THE DEMOCRATS ARE LEARNING
FROM THIS HORRIBLE INCIDENT.
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