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>> IS IT NOT GOOD? >> IT IS MIRACULOUS.
>> IT IS MIRACULOUS. CHARLES: ALL RIGHT SO MY NEXT
CHARLES: ALL RIGHT SO MY NEXT GUEST SAYS NAVIGATING
GUEST SAYS NAVIGATING THIS MARKET, SHE’S BEEN
THIS MARKET, SHE’S BEEN NAVIGATING IT FOR A LONG TIME,
NAVIGATING IT FOR A LONG TIME, AND WHILE SHE REMAINS
AND WHILE SHE REMAINS CONSTRUCTIVE SHE DOES SAY THAT
CONSTRUCTIVE SHE DOES SAY THAT THE SET-UP FOR CONTINUED NEAR
THE SET-UP FOR CONTINUED NEAR SIDE UPSIDE IS MUCH MORE
SIDE UPSIDE IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN ITS BEEN SO LET’S
DIFFICULT THAN ITS BEEN SO LET’S BRING IN PARTNERS GROUP MANAGING
BRING IN PARTNERS GROUP MANAGING DIRECTOR CHIEF INVESTMENT
DIRECTOR CHIEF INVESTMENT STRATEGIST FOR PRIVATE WEALTH,
STRATEGIST FOR PRIVATE WEALTH, ANASTASIA AMAROSA, AND LET’S
ANASTASIA AMAROSA, AND LET’S GET STARTED WITH THE HEADLINES
GET STARTED WITH THE HEADLINES SO WE STARTED TO OFF AND CHINA
SO WE STARTED TO OFF AND CHINA GOING AFTER RARE EARTH YESTERDAY
GOING AFTER RARE EARTH YESTERDAY AND TODAY THEY ARE GOING AFTER
AND TODAY THEY ARE GOING AFTER CHIPS COMPANIES, NVIDIA,
CHIPS COMPANIES, NVIDIA, QUALCOMM.
QUALCOMM. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS OKAY YOU
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS OKAY YOU KNOW WHAT?
KNOW WHAT? WE MAY HAVE TO GO MAXIMUM
WE MAY HAVE TO GO MAXIMUM TARIFFS AND SETS UP THIS FREE
TARIFFS AND SETS UP THIS FREE FALL IN THE MARKET, A PULLBACK
FALL IN THE MARKET, A PULLBACK IN THE MARKET.
IN THE MARKET. >> WELL THE OPERATIVE WORD
>> WELL THE OPERATIVE WORD "MAY" DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN
"MAY" DOESN’T NECESSARILY MEAN WE AREN’T GETTING A DEAL BUT
WE AREN’T GETTING A DEAL BUT THE MARKETS ARE REACTING TO ANY
THE MARKETS ARE REACTING TO ANY HEADLINE TO YOUR POINT CHARLES.
HEADLINE TO YOUR POINT CHARLES. THE MARKET WAS SETUP
THE MARKET WAS SETUP FOR PERFECTION HERE AND
FOR PERFECTION HERE AND THE EXPECTATION ARE INCREDIBLY
THE EXPECTATION ARE INCREDIBLY ELEVATED ACROSS-THE-BOARD AND
ELEVATED ACROSS-THE-BOARD AND ABOUT EARNINGS, ABOUT
ABOUT EARNINGS, ABOUT THE ECONOMY, THEY ARE ELEVATED
THE ECONOMY, THEY ARE ELEVATED ABOUT THE LABOR MARKET AND OF
ABOUT THE LABOR MARKET AND OF COURSE THERE’S OPTIMISM ABOUT
COURSE THERE’S OPTIMISM ABOUT THE A.I. TRADE REALLY CONTINUING
THE A.I. TRADE REALLY CONTINUING THE MOMENTUM NEAR-TERM AND I
THE MOMENTUM NEAR-TERM AND I HAVE A DEGREE OF SKEPTICISM
HAVE A DEGREE OF SKEPTICISM AROUND ALL THREE OF
AROUND ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS.
THOSE THINGS. CHARLES: IS YOUR SKEPTICISM
CHARLES: IS YOUR SKEPTICISM LONG-TERM NOW?
LONG-TERM NOW? DO YOU THINK THE A.I. TRADE IS
DO YOU THINK THE A.I. TRADE IS OVER FOR INSTANCE OR I MEAN
OVER FOR INSTANCE OR I MEAN SURE, YOU SEE THE BROADENING OUT
SURE, YOU SEE THE BROADENING OUT OF THE LABOR MARKET.
OF THE LABOR MARKET. WHAT ARE YOU SKEPTICAL THAT IT’S
WHAT ARE YOU SKEPTICAL THAT IT’S WEAKENING AND THE FED SHOULD BE
WEAKENING AND THE FED SHOULD BE CUTTING OR MORE THAN WE KNOW?
CUTTING OR MORE THAN WE KNOW? >> THAT’S THE POINT IS
>> THAT’S THE POINT IS THE LABOR MARKET IS CLEARLY
THE LABOR MARKET IS CLEARLY WEAKENING AND WE DON’T
WEAKENING AND WE DON’T GET THE OFFICIAL PAYROLLS DATA
GET THE OFFICIAL PAYROLLS DATA BUT WE GOT THE ALTERNATIVE DATA
BUT WE GOT THE ALTERNATIVE DATA SUGGESTING IT’S WEAKENING AND
SUGGESTING IT’S WEAKENING AND YET EVERYBODY ASSUMES IT’S NOT
YET EVERYBODY ASSUMES IT’S NOT GOING TO SPILL OVER TO ANYTHING
GOING TO SPILL OVER TO ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE LABOR MARKET WILL
ELSE THAT THE LABOR MARKET WILL CONTINUE TO BE A RESILIENT.
CONTINUE TO BE A RESILIENT. THAT’S A QUESTION MARK FOR ME,
THAT’S A QUESTION MARK FOR ME, AS FAR AS THE A.I. TRADE GOES,
AS FAR AS THE A.I. TRADE GOES, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, WE’RE
YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, WE’RE BUILDING A WHOLE LOT OF CAPACITY
BUILDING A WHOLE LOT OF CAPACITY BUT THE QUESTION IS FOR WHAT?
BUT THE QUESTION IS FOR WHAT? WILL THE KILLER APPS ACTUALLY
WILL THE KILLER APPS ACTUALLY SURFACE IS OPENA.I. THE KILLER
SURFACE IS OPENA.I. THE KILLER APP BUT I THINK WE NEED
APP BUT I THINK WE NEED SOMETHING ELSE SO THAT’S WHAT
SOMETHING ELSE SO THAT’S WHAT I’M KIND OF SKEPTICAL ABOUT
I’M KIND OF SKEPTICAL ABOUT NEAR-TERM BECAUSE THERE’S A LOT
NEAR-TERM BECAUSE THERE’S A LOT OF CAPACITY, WHERE IS THE PAY
OF CAPACITY, WHERE IS THE PAY OFF.
OFF. CHARLES: IS THERE A CHANCE AND
CHARLES: IS THERE A CHANCE AND I’VE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION,
I’VE BEEN ASKING THIS QUESTION, WE ALL LIVED THROUGH THE JOBLESS
WE ALL LIVED THROUGH THE JOBLESS RECOVERY KIND OF THING, THAT
RECOVERY KIND OF THING, THAT WHEN THAT PHRASE WAS POPULAR.
WHEN THAT PHRASE WAS POPULAR. COULD WE HAVE A PARADIGM SHIFT
COULD WE HAVE A PARADIGM SHIFT IN OUR ECONOMY WHERE A.I. DOES
IN OUR ECONOMY WHERE A.I. DOES JUST ENOUGH THAT WE ACTUALLY DO
JUST ENOUGH THAT WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE LESS JOBS, FEWER JOBS, BUT
HAVE LESS JOBS, FEWER JOBS, BUT GREATER PROSPERITY?
GREATER PROSPERITY? CAN THAT BE, CAN THAT EXIST?
CAN THAT BE, CAN THAT EXIST? >> THAT’S IN A WAY WHERE
>> THAT’S IN A WAY WHERE THE MARKET HAS BEEN SETTING UP
THE MARKET HAS BEEN SETTING UP FOR AND BEEN EXPERIENCING,
FOR AND BEEN EXPERIENCING, BECAUSE THE LABOR MARKET HAS
BECAUSE THE LABOR MARKET HAS BEEN WEAKENING FOR THREE MONTHS
BEEN WEAKENING FOR THREE MONTHS AND YET THE MARKET, THE S&P HAS
AND YET THE MARKET, THE S&P HAS BEEN ROARING, SO I DO THINK,
BEEN ROARING, SO I DO THINK, CHARLES, THAT FOR EXAMPLE,
CHARLES, THAT FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT INFLATION,
PEOPLE WORRY ABOUT INFLATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION
BUT IF YOU HAVE THE COMBINATION OF A.I., ON TOP OF EVERYTHING
OF A.I., ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY, WE
ELSE GOING ON IN THE ECONOMY, WE MIGHT ACTUALLY PUT A CAP ON
MIGHT ACTUALLY PUT A CAP ON INFLATION, AND LOOK, NEAR-TERM,
INFLATION, AND LOOK, NEAR-TERM, I’M SKEPTICAL ABOUT
I’M SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE MOMENTUM.
THE MOMENTUM. LONGER TERM IT IS CLEARLY A
LONGER TERM IT IS CLEARLY A SHORT CUT TO PRODUCTIVITY AND I
SHORT CUT TO PRODUCTIVITY AND I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY IS IMMENSE
THINK THE OPPORTUNITY IS IMMENSE ACROSS SECTORS, SO YES, I DO
ACROSS SECTORS, SO YES, I DO THINK THAT IT COULD BE A MORE
THINK THAT IT COULD BE A MORE TEMPERED LABOR MARKET AND YET
TEMPERED LABOR MARKET AND YET PRODUCTIVITY THAT PICKS UP.
PRODUCTIVITY THAT PICKS UP. CHARLES: LET’S TALK ABOUT ONE
CHARLES: LET’S TALK ABOUT ONE THING YOU THINK COULD BE A
THING YOU THINK COULD BE A TAILWIND, RATE CUTS.
TAILWIND, RATE CUTS. YOU SAY HELPS IN A LOT OF WAYS
YOU SAY HELPS IN A LOT OF WAYS RIGHT, IMPROVES CASH FLOW, MAYBE
RIGHT, IMPROVES CASH FLOW, MAYBE OFFSET TARIFFS, IMPROVE REAL
OFFSET TARIFFS, IMPROVE REAL ESTATE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE MAYBE
ESTATE, YOU KNOW, WE SEE MAYBE MORTGAGES COMING DOWN, AND
MORTGAGES COMING DOWN, AND SHORT-TERM EQUITY VALUATIONS.
SHORT-TERM EQUITY VALUATIONS. HOW MANY CUTS DO YOU SEE COMING?
HOW MANY CUTS DO YOU SEE COMING? >> I SEE ANOTHER TWO, AND I
>> I SEE ANOTHER TWO, AND I WILL SAY, NEAR-TERM, YOU KNOW,
WILL SAY, NEAR-TERM, YOU KNOW, CAUTIOUS.
CAUTIOUS. LONGER TERM IN 2026 OPTIMISTIC
LONGER TERM IN 2026 OPTIMISTIC BUT THAT IS CONTINGENT ON
BUT THAT IS CONTINGENT ON THE TWO MORE RATE CUTS BECAUSE
THE TWO MORE RATE CUTS BECAUSE IF WE DO HAVE 75 BASIS POINTS
IF WE DO HAVE 75 BASIS POINTS ALL IN IT CAN IMPROVE THE CASH
ALL IN IT CAN IMPROVE THE CASH FLOWS BECAUSE COMPANIES ARE
FLOWS BECAUSE COMPANIES ARE CLEARLY ABSORBING SOME OF
CLEARLY ABSORBING SOME OF THE TARIFF COSTS, SO THEY NEED
THE TARIFF COSTS, SO THEY NEED AN OFFSET.
AN OFFSET. IT CAN CERTAINLY IMPROVE REAL
IT CAN CERTAINLY IMPROVE REAL ESTATE VALUATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE,
ESTATE VALUATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR PRIVATE EQUITY VALUATIONS OR
OR PRIVATE EQUITY VALUATIONS OR VALUATIONS IN GENERAL, SO THAT
VALUATIONS IN GENERAL, SO THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SUPPORTIVE
WOULD CERTAINLY BE SUPPORTIVE AS WELL, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,
AS WELL, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, COULD IMPROVE THE LABOR MARKET
COULD IMPROVE THE LABOR MARKET BECAUSE WHAT DO COMPANIES DO
BECAUSE WHAT DO COMPANIES DO WHEN THEY ARE UNCERTAIN OR WHEN
WHEN THEY ARE UNCERTAIN OR WHEN THEY ARE ABSORBING COSTS
THEY ARE ABSORBING COSTS SOMEWHERE ELSE?
SOMEWHERE ELSE? THEY ARE HOLDING OFF ON HIRING
THEY ARE HOLDING OFF ON HIRING MAYBE THEY ARE EVEN LAYING OFF
MAYBE THEY ARE EVEN LAYING OFF WORKERS SO IF THE FED COULD
WORKERS SO IF THE FED COULD CUSHION THAT BY GETTING SOME OF
CUSHION THAT BY GETTING SOME OF THAT CASH FLOW BACK TO THEM,
THAT CASH FLOW BACK TO THEM, FROM LOWER INTEREST RATES THAT
FROM LOWER INTEREST RATES THAT WOULD HELP.
WOULD HELP. CHARLES: SO JUST REAL QUICK WE
CHARLES: SO JUST REAL QUICK WE DIDN’T GET THE JOBS REPORT,
DIDN’T GET THE JOBS REPORT, RIGHT?
RIGHT? WHAT IF IT HAD COME IN NEGATIVE
WHAT IF IT HAD COME IN NEGATIVE AND WE PLAYING THE GUESSING GAME
AND WE PLAYING THE GUESSING GAME AND IT FEELS LIKE THE FED IS SO
AND IT FEELS LIKE THE FED IS SO FAR BEHIND THE NEXT CUT HAS TO
FAR BEHIND THE NEXT CUT HAS TO BE 50 BASIS POINTS ONCE WE
BE 50 BASIS POINTS ONCE WE GET THE DATA.
GET THE DATA. >> YEAH, WELL IF WE
>> YEAH, WELL IF WE GET THE DATA, AND YOU KNOW LOOK.
GET THE DATA, AND YOU KNOW LOOK. WHETHER YOU GET 25 BASIS POINTS
WHETHER YOU GET 25 BASIS POINTS AT THE END OF THIS MONTH OR IN
AT THE END OF THIS MONTH OR IN ANOTHER 25 BASIS POINTS IN
ANOTHER 25 BASIS POINTS IN DECEMBER, I THINK THAT IT’S
DECEMBER, I THINK THAT IT’S CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THE FED TO SAY
CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THE FED TO SAY WE’RE GOING TO ASSUME
WE’RE GOING TO ASSUME THIS MEASURED APPROACH BUT I DO
THIS MEASURED APPROACH BUT I DO THINK THEY NEED TO ACT CHARLES
THINK THEY NEED TO ACT CHARLES BECAUSE WE GOT THE A DID P
BECAUSE WE GOT THE A DID P NUMBERS AND THEY WERE NEGATIVE
NUMBERS AND THEY WERE NEGATIVE LAST MONTH REVISED TO SLIGHTLY
LAST MONTH REVISED TO SLIGHTLY NEGATIVE THE MONTH BEFORE AND
NEGATIVE THE MONTH BEFORE AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE ACT
SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE ACT BACK TO BACK OR 50 BASIS POINTS
BACK TO BACK OR 50 BASIS POINTS WE’LL TAKE IT EITHER WAY.
WE’LL TAKE IT EITHER WAY. CHARLES: LET’S TALK ABOUT
CHARLES: LET’S TALK ABOUT SECTORS.
SECTORS. YOU ARE STILL SEEING
YOU ARE STILL SEEING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE MARKETS AND
OPPORTUNITIES IN THE MARKETS AND THIS IS JUST IN THE PUBLICLY
THIS IS JUST IN THE PUBLICLY TRADED MARKETS, FINANCIALS,
TRADED MARKETS, FINANCIALS, HEALTHCARE, INDUSTRIALS, DATA
HEALTHCARE, INDUSTRIALS, DATA CENTERS AND POWER GENERATORS.
CENTERS AND POWER GENERATORS. LET’S GO TO INDUSTRIALS BECAUSE
LET’S GO TO INDUSTRIALS BECAUSE YOU KNOW LIKE HOMEBUILDERS HAVE
YOU KNOW LIKE HOMEBUILDERS HAVE BEEN BRINGING INDUSTRIALS DOWN
BEEN BRINGING INDUSTRIALS DOWN THE NUMBER ONE PERFORMER FOR A
THE NUMBER ONE PERFORMER FOR A WHILE SLIPPING A LITTLE BIT SO
WHILE SLIPPING A LITTLE BIT SO YOU HAVE TO BE SELECTIVE RIGHT?
YOU HAVE TO BE SELECTIVE RIGHT? >> IT IS A CYCLICAL SECTOR BUT
>> IT IS A CYCLICAL SECTOR BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW IT’S
AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW IT’S REALLY UNDERPINNED BY A LOT OF
REALLY UNDERPINNED BY A LOT OF THE SECULAR TRENDS HAPPENING.
THE SECULAR TRENDS HAPPENING. IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT
IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO
THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DO IS CAUSE A WAVE OF ONSHORING
DO IS CAUSE A WAVE OF ONSHORING AND I THINK IT’S LIKELY TO BE
AND I THINK IT’S LIKELY TO BE SUCCESSFUL, SO IT’S ALL ABOUT
SUCCESSFUL, SO IT’S ALL ABOUT LOCALIZATION AND SUPPLY CHAINS
LOCALIZATION AND SUPPLY CHAINS AND TO DO THAT YOU DO NEED QUITE
AND TO DO THAT YOU DO NEED QUITE A BIT OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL
A BIT OF THOSE INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES.
ACTIVITIES. CHARLES: LET’S TALK PRIVATE
CHARLES: LET’S TALK PRIVATE MARKETS VS. PUBLIC MARKETS.
MARKETS VS. PUBLIC MARKETS. THE VALUE PROPOSITION FOR YOU IS
THE VALUE PROPOSITION FOR YOU IS PRETTY CLEAR.
PRETTY CLEAR. CHEAPER VALUATIONS, GREATER
CHEAPER VALUATIONS, GREATER OPPORTUNITY, FASTER EARNINGS
OPPORTUNITY, FASTER EARNINGS GROWTH, BETTER PROFIT MARGINS.
GROWTH, BETTER PROFIT MARGINS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT NEGATIVE
BE WORRIED ABOUT NEGATIVE HEADLINES COME OUT ABOUT PRIVATE
HEADLINES COME OUT ABOUT PRIVATE CREDIT, SOME OF THESE THINGS,
CREDIT, SOME OF THESE THINGS, SOME THINGS HAVE BLOWN UP.
SOME THINGS HAVE BLOWN UP. WE SEE STOCKS LIKE BLUE OWL
WE SEE STOCKS LIKE BLUE OWL PULLING BACK AND BY THE SAME
PULLING BACK AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, RETAIL INVESTORS HAVE
TOKEN, RETAIL INVESTORS HAVE CLAMMERRED FOR ACCESS TO
CLAMMERRED FOR ACCESS TO THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS FOR A LONG TIME. >> RIGHT AND THEY ARE GETTING
>> RIGHT AND THEY ARE GETTING ACCESS TO THAT.
ACCESS TO THAT. NO I WOULDN’T NECESSARILY SAY
NO I WOULDN’T NECESSARILY SAY CHARLES I’M WORRIED ABOUT ANY OF
CHARLES I’M WORRIED ABOUT ANY OF THOSE THINGS.
THOSE THINGS. I DO THINK THE RATE CUTS GO A
I DO THINK THE RATE CUTS GO A LONG WAY TO SUPPORT PRIVATE
LONG WAY TO SUPPORT PRIVATE MARKETS BUT I’LL TAKE A
MARKETS BUT I’LL TAKE A STEPFATHER AND SAY I’M WORRIED
STEPFATHER AND SAY I’M WORRIED MID-TERM ABOUT THE PUBLIC MARKET
MID-TERM ABOUT THE PUBLIC MARKET VOLATILITY AND ONE OF
VOLATILITY AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS IS EVEN A
THE REASONS WHY THIS IS EVEN A GREATER POINT TO EMPHASIZE IS
GREATER POINT TO EMPHASIZE IS BECAUSE PRIVATE MARKETS GIVE YOU
BECAUSE PRIVATE MARKETS GIVE YOU THAT DIVERSIFICATION.
THAT DIVERSIFICATION. FOR EXAMPLE, INFRASTRUCTURE HAS
FOR EXAMPLE, INFRASTRUCTURE HAS ABOUT .24% TO GLOBAL 60/40, AND
ABOUT .24% TO GLOBAL 60/40, AND PRIVATE EQUITIES NOT GOING TO
PRIVATE EQUITIES NOT GOING TO WHIP SAW LIKE PUBLIC MARKETS ARE
WHIP SAW LIKE PUBLIC MARKETS ARE GOING TO WHIP SAW ON EACH
GOING TO WHIP SAW ON EACH HEADLINE.
HEADLINE. CHARLES: JUST SORT OF FOLLOW
CHARLES: JUST SORT OF FOLLOW WHAT THE RICH FOLKS ARE DOING IF
WHAT THE RICH FOLKS ARE DOING IF YOU CAN.
YOU CAN. I MEAN GET ACCESS TO IT.
I MEAN GET ACCESS TO IT. THIS IS WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO DO
THIS IS WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO DO RIGHT PARTLY?
RIGHT PARTLY? THAT’S RIGHT INCREASE AND WE’VE
THAT’S RIGHT INCREASE AND WE’VE ACTUALLY HAD A PRIVATE EQUITY
ACTUALLY HAD A PRIVATE EQUITY EVERGREEN SOLUTION FOR PRIVATE
EVERGREEN SOLUTION FOR PRIVATE CLIENTS FOR 16 YEARS, SO IT IS
CLIENTS FOR 16 YEARS, SO IT IS INCREDIBLY, INCREASINGLY
INCREDIBLY, INCREASINGLY ACCESSIBLE.
ACCESSIBLE. CHARLES: GREAT STUFF.
CHARLES: GREAT STUFF. I’M SO LUCKY TO HAVE YOU ON A

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