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Hey, Josh.

Yeah, Nicole.

I'm so hungry

I could eat out Arby's.

That's pretty rude man.

They're really out there trying their best

to provide a service.

This is A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich.

Ketchup is a smoothie.

Yeah. I put ice in my cereal.

So what?

That makes no sense.

A hot dog is a sandwich.

What?

Welcome to our podcast.

A Hotdog is a Sandwich.

The show where we break down the world's biggest food debates.

I'm your host, Josh Scherer.

And I'm your host, Nicole Enayati.

And that was Nicole bringing back an old Simpsons joke.

Yes.

Um, it was said by, by.

Never seen it.

One of the twins, there are two twins that are kind of

colored grayish purple, and I cannot remember their names.

I don't know their names either, but they were

sitting at a campfire.

Mm-hmm.

And then one of them goes, I'm so hungry,

I could eat at Arby's.

And then everyone around the campfire goes, oh.

Oh, that's disgusting.

And today what we're breaking down is, is

that the, the progenitor.

Of the anti Arby's sentiment that we have now seen over

the course of 30 years.

Let me tell you, I Googled, I mean I YouTubed Why Arby's?

And the first thing that came up is hated.

Why Arby's hate was literally what came up.

An interesting thing though is if something was actually so

universally hated, it simply would cease to exist.

I don't, but there's something about Arby's

that is keeping them alive despite--.

I'll tell you what it is.

Go ahead.

Boomers are keeping them.

Is it?

Is that, is that the only reason Arby's

is staying alive?

I think the taste of roast beef is one that

only boomers can love.

That's fascinating.

Say more.

Well, what do you want me to say?

The taste of roast beef is only something

boomers can love.

Are you familiar with a man named Salt Hank?

Yeah.

What about him?

He's so, Henry, Henry LaPorte, we love Salt.

Hank have you seen the restaurant that

Salt Hank opened?

Yeah.

In Manhattan.

It's called Salt Hank's or Manhattan.

Brooklyn, new York's kind of me, I'm sorry.

New York. We don't know the difference.

But he opened up a, a shop that is ostensibly serving

a roast beef sandwich.

Okay.

But it's not, it's sexy.

He's making it sexy.

It's the sexiest sandwich I've ever seen.

I sent, I sent Hank a, a message saying lewd things

about the sandwich and what I wanted to do to it.

Did he respond to you?

And he said, I dare you come down and do that to my

sandwich at my restaurant, and I really wanna go.

Okay.

But the point is like, it's not roast beef

isn't the problem.

No, no, no. It, no.

Lemme tell you the kids love roast beef.

Listen, I, dude, my favorite sandwich in the world

is a French dip with all the shaved beef in it.

I love that.

Stuff.

Same.

I think Arby's has a French dip.

Let me tell you.

Is it still on the menu?

It's, I don't know.

Who knows what?

The Arby's menu even contained the menu.

Last time I went to Arby's, my grandma was alive.

'cause I took her there.

Oh yeah.

We both have stories about Boomer and like parents

and grandparents eating.

That's the memories that I have with Arby's is

like going with my dad.

Same, my, exactly.

My mom and dad's first date was at an Arby's.

Which one?

Uh ooh.

Would've been in like Anaheim somewhere.

Oh, not here.

Not, not the Sunset one, no.

Oh, that's cute.

No, they would've been in Orange County at the time.

Every time.

This is so funny.

Every time my dad, my parents are in Kaiser right now.

Okay.

They're, they switched insurances, right?

'cause they're like older now.

And my dad goes to the hospital a lot of the times.

Just, you know, he has a, a pain here, a

pain here, whatever.

Boomers love Arby's.

They love gonna, hospitals love going to the hospital.

And whenever my dad would go to the hospital, it

was literally a stone throw away from an Arby's.

So he'd be like, Hey, pick me up a beef and cheddar

with three horsey sauces and um, a curly fry.

And I would say, okay.

And I would just take, I would literally bring Arby's

to my dad in the hospital.

So that's my Arby's story.

And literally this is so funny.

'cause if you don't know, I'm pregnant right now and

they probably don't know.

Do you know?

Oh my God.

And David, can I be the godfather?

Y you've asked me before and I said yes.

Yay.

Where was I?

Arby's, your dad?

Hospital.

Oh, pregnant. Beef and cheddar.

Pregnant Prang.

So, um, David, my husband, I've been trying to

get, you're married.

I've been trying to get David to go to Arby's

for the longest time.

And he, we made a pact basically with my dad saying

that as soon as I give birth, the first outing that

they wanna go to is to an Arby's, because it's the

most dad restaurant it is.

So I think that's really cute.

I think part of maturity.

Mm-hmm.

Is understanding that sometimes the olds were right.

I, yeah.

You know what I mean?

I agree with that.

You love Old man cereal, right?

Oh, a grape nut Hates to see me coming.

Me and The Raisin brand.

No raisins.

What? Still too sweet for me.

The raisins.

Just, I'm just here for the brand flakes, please.

Oh, okay. I'm here for the all brand.

The, the Wheaties hate to see coming.

Not, I mean, I love Wheaties.

Wheaties little too sweet.

Just gimme, gimme the Flaked brand and I'd

like to put milk on it.

Okay. Okay.

Fine. But I think there, there is.

Something about realizing that like an old man taste.

I started eating plain baked potatoes recently.

I mean, not just plain, I'll put some sour cream

and chi or whatever on it.

Okay.

But to me that was like the old man food.

I was like, there's so many better ways to make a potato

and I'm gonna implement them.

But there aren't no, it just baked the whole potato.

It steams out.

It concentrates the flavors.

I know baked potatoes don't need me arguing for them, but.

It was a moment where I was like, my daddy was correct.

Like, this is the best way to eat a potato.

Like, like the, the cornerstones like, like

the, the main characters of Arby's are the beef

and cheddar sandwich, the regular roast beef sandwich.

I know their curly friess being the.

Best in the game.

A hundred percent.

Could I differentiate them from Jack in the Box?

Probably not. I don't so, but I love them.

I don't think so.

But like those are the three things.

And then of course there's like the jokey things

like the Meat Mountain and the Hiro they had

for like a little bit.

But for me, those three things are iconic and you can't

have an Arby's experience without eating those things.

Mm-hmm.

So, but those things, when you think about it, it's

meat, bun, cheese, potato, and those are foods that people

have been eating for like.

Yeah. Thousands of years.

And also Uhhuh, what a, what A fantastic changeup from the

hamburger industrial complex.

Now, the fried chicken in industrial complex, I agree.

How many times can people put a zesty sauce and a spicy,

this and that, and whatever, whatever you got horse radish

and some sort of weird, fake, fricking like barbecue sauce.

You know what I mean?

It's just these, it's, it's a classic for a reason,

but I don't think the kids are hip to the Arby's jive.

You know what I'm saying?

What can we do?

Because I, I believe that the Arby's beef and

cheddar with horsey sauce is, it's really good.

It's one of the best.

It's really good.

It's not as good as if you were to go.

There's a spot in LA that invented the

French Dip, I believe, called Philipp Philippe.

Philippe, the original.

It's my favorite sandwich in the world.

It's like truly one of the best things.

It's.

Super heavy horse strategy mustard.

Mm. Uh, it's delight.

It's not like that, but as far as like a fast

food approximation, like their, their beef is

just, it's so just salty and thin and ribbony.

Mm-hmm.

You know, their onion buns.

The onion buns at Arby's are like, they're pretty good.

I think they're the best.

I think they're best.

If every burger, if every fast food burger was served

on Arby's onion bun, we would be better for it.

Also, I just checked, the Euro is still on Arby's.

Is it? Okay.

I'm so sorry.

You do not need to get the euro at Arby's.

God bless him for Diane.

You don't need to.

You don't need to do that.

Just get a beef and cheddar and a fry and

you're good to go.

I am a huge fan of a sandwich called the RBQ.

I don't even know what the hell that is.

I think what they do, there's a term for it in

delis and I can't remember.

It's for like, there's a term in delis where it's like the

sawdust Yeah, the listeria, the, it's not the listeria.

No, it's, it's the.

Cereal.

It's how you get listeria.

That's not how you get listeria.

No, no, no.

When, okay.

When you're shaving meat, super, super thin on a meat

slicer, and then there's like, the excess stuff falls off.

Yeah, it falls off.

I, there's like an actual deli, char.

The shake.

The, the shake. The shake.

The shake.

Great job.

It's what?

It's, it's what the barbecue is made out of.

It's all the, the meat shaving, submerged in

barbecue sauce of anything.

No, it's roast beef.

It's just like thinly porn, razor thin roast beef,

but it feels like they're taking the roast beef

ends that fell out okay.

That weren't suited for the beef.

Each cheddar. The irregular bits.

The irregular bits, okay, and they're swimming

it in barbecue sauce.

They're slapping it onto the onion bun and then it like

a sloppy Joe, like it lives literally an arbie sloppy Joe.

And it's, it was my.

Favorite thing in the world, not a kid.

And I still love it.

Is it even God?

Is it even still in the menu?

Take a look.

Take a look and see.

Is the Meat mountain even on there?

The meat mountain, I don't believe was ever

on the menu officially.

Oh really?

It was fake.

The meat Mountain fake was always, no, I mean,

it was an off menu item.

You could go there and order a meat mountain.

You wouldn't want to.

Some biscuit.

Did they take the barbecue off Josh?

I'm sorry that you're, they took the damn barbecue off.

I'm sorry.

What kind country are we living in?

I'm sorry, Besie.

Um, the corn beef Ruben is, is a delight.

Yeah, they have over the Arby's.

Listen, they have good things there is what I'm trying to

say, but it's just not as, I don't know what I mean.

They had a pretty good marketing campaign with

the deep voice guy saying, we have the meats and like

the track suits that they were giving out, they were

giving meat sweatsuits.

Like there's, there's something to, they're

trying to grasp the Gen Zers and the millennials,

but the food is so brown.

Not the Gen Zers.

They were grasping at the millennials,

whatever they're doing.

'cause that was, that was during, I was once,

I need to give a full journalistic disclosure

here, Nicole, go ahead.

Because in what would've been, I suppose 2014, God,

that was a decade ago.

Oh my gosh.

I was, you were 22.

Had a blog.

It was maybe 2015.

I had a blog called culinary brodown.com and I was part

of the first ever class of Arby's meat crafters.

They got a bunch of bloggers.

What?

I don't really know, they flew me out to a weird

warehouse in New York and they brought me to a butcher

and they took us to a, uh, his prime rib restaurant,

and they had a guy.

Leading it named Josh Ozeki, who is, um, like a, a leading

food blogger at the time he wrote for like Grub Streete.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and he actually passed away, uh, recently

Rby, which was very sad.

Um, but anyways, and then Arby's brought us up to like

a weird kind of abandoned, uh, house warehouse kind

of rave, but with meats, and it was very confusing.

I was there with a friend named Jess Ryles,

and it was all a very strange time in my life.

But anyways, the point is, mm-hmm.

That was like the most millennial marketing campaign.

It was part of that like epic bacon moment

that Pharrell wore.

The big Arby hat and an Arby's executive was like

bragging to me about how they bought the hat for $50,000

in an auction and they started giving out the hats.

But it wasn't an Arby's hat, it was just a hat ar.

Pharrell Williams noted music producer and artist.

He wore a large hat one day and people said, that kinda

looks like the Arby's hat.

And then Arby's bought it, and that's the story.

Arby didn't sells the, the model of the hat.

That Pharrell Williams wore.

Does this sound like this?

This is appeal to Gen Z?

No, this is pure millennial day.

So now we bought it.

I'll be fine.

Fine.

Okay.

I don't know because I'm happy.

And if you feel that's Pharrell.

That is and that's Arby's.

That's our people.

That's our culture.

So Pharrell's happy is equal to Arby's?

Yes.

The whole restaurant.

And it's for us, it's not for Gen Z, it's

for us and our dads.

'cause our dads wanted us for taking Arby's.

Don't you see?

It's also clear,

it's just depressing.

Like Arby's is the, I think the food at Arby's is so brown

that it turns people off.

Like at least McDonald's, they have a pickle.

You know, they have, do you know what I'm talking about?

They have lettuce?

Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

Like, like there, there's like.

There's, it's like, what's it called?

The magpie effect, where it's like you see something

that's like shiny and new.

Oh, is that, is that what it's called?

Mag pies or the, is it called the magpie effect?

I've never heard the Magpie Effect.

Have you heard of mag pies?

I know what a magpie is.

A bird. I know mag pies.

They like shiny things, right?

Yes.

Is that correct?

I, I believe that too.

I'd say raccoons as well.

Love shiny things.

Josh loves shiny things.

You love goblins And Harry Potter.

Love, love shiny things.

Point because they're Jew.

Yeah, they're Jewish.

Jewish goblins.

Um,

going So Arby's, here's the thing though.

Shut up. We think of point.

Go ahead.

Fine point.

The goal is the point before you rudely

stopped all over him with your JK Rowling stuff.

Do you know how like mag pies, Colette, they like

shiny things, Uhhuh.

So the thing with like McDonald's and like Popeye's

is that the colors are brighter and more inviting.

Popeye's.

Dad, they have like lettuce and like, where's

Popeye's having lettuce?

Explain to me where the lettuce is.

The By the pickles.

The pickles.

Pickles are, that's underneath a bun.

The coleslaw.

A brown bun.

The coleslaw.

You're saying coleslaw is shiny enough to

attract the human eye.

Colorful.

I don't know.

I'm buying this.

No, don't listen to me.

No, no, no.

Everybody who's just saying knows exactly what I'm.

Saying there's this, there's like a freshness factor

that, I'm sorry, Arby's.

When I think of the, whenever I have like

synesthesia of like foods, Arby's is just like, it's,

it's, it's diarrhea brown.

Yeah, it's not, yeah, I wouldn't, it's, I wouldn't

use that classification, but it's brown.

It's brown food and most, but when you say Arby's,

do you mean like nothing is more diarrhea brown

than, than Taco Bell?

Taco Bell is also very brightly colored.

Brown.

I'm saying it's purple, I'm saying.

Okay.

Oh, you're saying about the, the, the vibe,

the branding, the vibe.

Arby's like bright red now Arby's.

Yeah, that's, they've been trying to make it happen.

It's as brown as their hat.

Because Yeah.

Taco Bell used to be very like yellow, yellow, orange,

brown, green, orange.

Like that kind of warm be Yeah.

That Then now Burger King has somehow taken all those

colors to try and do a weird kind of retro seventies feel.

Seventies. Yeah.

Which I, I get that vibe.

I understand.

They're trying to, like, now Taco Bell's pure, like,

uh, euphoria, bisexual.

Yes.

Lighting Mo.

They're trying pinks and they're trying to

live moss, you know.

Why, you know, why Stick to one thing at Taco

Bell when you can, you know, play on baby.

Be a bi bisexual baby.

You can, he can have the Cha Lupe and the Gordita,

if you know what I'm saying.

Uh, but I know what you mean.

That the Arby's, it's a little drab.

Comparatively, my laptop dies.

But in terms of the food, because like Arby's has tried.

They're trying, they menu.

I'm not saying that they're not trying the whole menu.

Fried chicken sandwiches.

They got a whole, but nobody cares about it.

Josh, you tell no kid cares about the chicken cordon

blue sandwich at Arby's.

Josh, why aren't the, why aren't you?

Why aren't you eating a chicken cordon blue sandwich

from Arby's right now?

You wanna know why?

Whenever we even did chicken fried chicken

sandwich taste test.

We've done multiple iterations of eating fried chicken.

We have never once considered Arby's to even be in the

running for these foods.

Arby's is never in the running anymore.

Well, that's 'cause the only Arby's near us

close down, which brings us to our next point.

Arby's is struggling and with the donation of $20

and 99 cents for the Hot Dog podcast, this is not sponsor.

Sponsor. I know.

We, we will make sure if you send that money to

us, we'll donate it to a local Arby's franchisee.

They literally don't need our money.

They need, they need people to go and eat there.

That's what they need.

I wish.

I wish I was at an Arby's.

Right Now.

Where's the closest Arby's to us now that the

only close to close Arby to us has closed down?

I'm gonna find out right now.

Generally you have to go like all the way

out to like Northridge, but there's no Arby's.

Where's Northridge? What?

Northridge is like It's upper left.

Arby's has done Mission Hills, mission Hills, Receda.

Mission Hill.

S Oh Eda Ed.

There's no Arby's in Receda.

I'm going tonight for dinner.

No, you're not.

I don't believe you.

I want to.

No, I know because I mean, take my dad with you.

He really misses Arby's.

He like Miss are say he misses me.

Um, he does like you very much.

I really like Morris as well.

He's a nice man.

Hold on.

I feel like Arby's has really, they've tried with the food,

you know, which I think is a lot more, what does that mean?

What does that mean?

Mean there's, there's two, I don't know if this is

a pure dichotomy, but if you're like a fast food

restaurant and you're, you're sort of struggling

to appeal to a certain demographic, can a either.

Improve the food options, right?

Improve the quality.

Improve, improve the, the variety.

All Popeye dominoes.

All dominoes.

Improve the hell outta the quality of their food.

Chilies also improved the hell outta the

quality of their food.

They did.

They really did.

They, they added a lot of different QC measures.

They actually got rid of a ton of options, right?

Good.

You know, because like literally there's a story

about chilies that the CEO o was talking about where, um,

like they had like multiple different kinds of fries.

Like you can get curly, you can get wedges, you

can get normal fries.

Cut that.

And he was like, just do one fry and make a good.

And like, and, and they found out that people were

complaining that this, that they were under salted.

And so they like kind of launched a little

investigation that they probably paid

millions of dollars for.

Right.

And they were like, how many times are you shaking the,

the salt shaker at the fries?

And they were like, takes 36.

And they're like, make the holes bigger.

Make the holes bigger, man.

And they did.

And now they shake it four times and the

fries are well salty.

Well, that's just quality.

Like, just, just checking, making sure

everything is going well.

And part of that can be pairing down items, right?

Like they did at Chili's.

Like they, like, you know, um, in and out has always

kept their menu really low.

Arby's.

The other side is you can really increase variety okay.

To sort of get people in there.

So.

If you're an old man and you love Arby's roast

beef like me, right?

But then you're like trying to convince, say your significant

other that Hey, you should come with me to get Arby's.

And they go, well, I don't wanna eat a RA beef sandwich.

And you go, boom.

You can have the roast Turkey ranch and bacon sandwich.

You can have a corn beef Reuben.

You can have a crispy juicy chicken.

Buffalo sandwich, you can have a ro but they're not

known for any of those.

None of those have made a big enough splash for them

to even still be on the menu.

No, but that there's, uh, there's a term in marketing

and I can't remember what it is, but it's basically

the reason like loss leader, not even a loss leader.

It's like the idea of, it's like an anti

protest kind of item.

What are you talking about, mc?

McDonald's was really good about this with

salads, and I actually got corrected by a fan.

I, I chatted with them in the dms, um, because

I was talking about how McDonald's kind of introduced

these salads to almost be.

A little bit of a loss leader, right.

But after Supersize Me came out mm-hmm.

Shows all these new salads, they could kind

of almost be like a, what do they call it, when the

Catholic Church issued like pardons for your sins.

Oh.

Oh, remember that?

Oh, what were they called?

Make you Google it.

Look up Catholic Church.

Oh my God. Uh pardon.

For sins there felt like allowances or something.

I know it's, I can't remember the word.

That's information.

Ugh.

But I thought that's what McDonald's is doing.

And then someone was like, Hey, I used to

work in marketing.

In fast food and indulgences, indulgences,

indulgences, those are like their indulgences.

Okay.

Like you sort of like buy, you know, it's like sure,

our, you know, extra large, super-sized fries harming

children, I don't know.

But they could have ordered a salad 'cause we

have those in the menu.

So it's the fallacy of, of options kind of.

But I talked to somebody who is in marketing and

they're like, well, the salads are also there.

Basically if a family unit is going, there's five people,

four of them want burgers, one really wants a salad and

they won't shut up about it.

Right.

You know, and they could turn that damn car around.

Mm-hmm.

And go to a, uh, the Daphne's Greek cafe, you know,

great little local chain.

Love it.

Yeah.

Now, Daphne's California Grill.

But the point is it's like there's salads there

for the one member of the family who wants the salad.

You know, and I feel like Arby's has been slowly

chucking those items out there, but I don't know

if they have any salads.

I don't know.

But like, I understand, I'm picking up what you're

putting down, but you don't think of those foods,

like, you don't think of the heto whenever you, you

don't even call it hero.

I've probably got a gyro.

Yeah, they got, Arby's got new sliders, they got a

jalapeno roast beef slider and I don't wanna eat it.

It's just nothing about Arby's anymore.

Like excites me The way that like a naked chicken

taco from Taco Bell does.

Like, I mean, taco Bell makes a whole thing out of it.

It's almost like one of those one Are those Apple things

where like Apple unveils a new like internet item?

Yeah. Yeah.

Steve Jobs goes up there and he is like

the iPhone, not anymore.

He's dead.

Steve John is dead.

Yeah. And I'm pregnant.

Oh God. There's so many surprises.

This podcast with death comes New Life.

Whatever they like do the whole m, it's like a summit.

They do a Taco Bell summit now.

You're right.

Yeah.

It's like with like the PowerPoints.

Yeah.

And these cool transition.

And someone is literally talking on a little microphone

up here like they do in theater and they've made

a whole thing out of these new, fun, exciting ideas.

And I feel like whenever RB is just like, Hey,

we have a new slider.

Come check it out.

You know what I mean?

There's nothing exciting or there's no hype around it.

There's no desire for these new things.

They should, what they should do is get rid of

all of that kerfuffle, all of that extra space.

Mm-hmm.

And they should just do roast beef sandwiches, beef and

cheddar, a curly fry, another fry, maybe one other sandwich,

people that don't like beef.

And that's it.

They're wasting time.

They're wasting energy.

They're wasting resources.

They're wasting money.

And that's how I feel about it.

Nicole, we work at a relatively young

company, right?

Yeah.

The average age of the worker here, it's a lot of,

you know, people working digital school, people

are young that work here.

School people are young that work here and the company's

not even that old as it is.

You know, we're young.

We're young.

Well, yeah, but we're even a little bit of the older side.

And the fact that you're singing that means

that we are indeed old.

Um, you, that band is called fun.

Hello?

I know what the band's, I know you don't.

Let me indulge me for a second.

Oh, okay.

When we would get large format food catered for this

whole company to enjoy, we go through a sort of lunch line.

This is peeling back the layers of mythical

entertainment, how it goes.

We put out large vats of food for our employees to feast on.

Some call it a catering buffet line, some call it a trough.

If there is a trough of tofu and chicken and beef, which

often is say on make your own Korean rice bowls day.

That's a fun day at work.

What is the item in the chicken, the tofu and

the beef that is most left over the tofu?

No.

That's most leftover.

That has the most leftover chicken?

No.

Have you not noticed this?

I don't notice lot stuff.

No beef at our company.

We stopped getting beef.

We like sometimes, Maggie, have you noticed this?

Yeah.

What?

I'm so very observant because if, I guess I'm

just not that as detail oriented as I once was.

If I'm late to the like buffet line, like there's often

only like beef leftover.

Same goes for like kabob day.

I love beef.

I, I go for the beef.

But I'm saying so much of your sort of identity, whether it's

like regional, whether it's cultural, whether it is, uh,

generational is locked up in the kinds of foods you eat.

Young people don't eat beef.

I don't think they're eating beef, man.

I think now, I think now we're about to start seeing,

I love this with RFK, junior and Steak and Shake and

the tallow and all that.

I think we're gonna start singing what's Shake.

Steak Shakes was the, I think, the first restaurant to start

exclusively cooking their fries back in their, all their

food in beef Talo, I think.

No way. Yeah.

Yeah. Sar big.

Is that the guy's name?

Steak Shake, CEO.

Did I make that up?

Did I just call iar?

Bo.

Oh God.

Is he God? Is he Perian?

God, I'm good.

Sounds Persian.

Big lot.

I think he own Max Magazine for a bit.

Maybe he still does.

Belo.

Sorry.

Sourdough or Belo.

Is that correct?

I don't know.

Hold on.

I've never, if he's not Persian, I'm mean he's

probably like, like if he's not Persian,

he's probably Iraqi.

The point is, I don't think what's up.

Wet slices of beef are cool anymore among Gen Z. I think

it was very cool for our dad's generation and might.

Make a comeback now.

I love when with A Kind are successful.

I love, I love that too for Sour di Be Laie.

It sounds racist when I say it, but when you pronou

it, no, it's not racist when you say it so well.

Yeah, I know.

Sa Sourer.

Bela SA did that.

I say that throw a little too much accent too much on it.

You can do, you can that, that's your action.

Sorry.

I just love whatever Persian person is successful.

Woo.

This is the with with a, um.

Conservative retrenchment.

Oh, I'm not trying to say in American

society, civil society.

I think Arby's is due for an explosion because of, oh, beef

being associated with the Maha movement and conservatism.

I think Arby's is primed to strike, but I, I, I

legitimately think that that's a real thing.

I even thought of that.

Think the young, progressive people don't eat as much beef.

'cause we've seen the WHO reports and whatever, and I

think now we're sort of seeing a, a rebellion against that.

Wow.

I guess I never equated Arby's and conservatism before.

I mean even if you look at the generational, you know, you

kinda get more conservative the older you get back,

you are a thousand percent.

Right.

We're not saying Arby's has conservative

politics themselves.

I have no idea.

We're saying their wet beef sheets really do seem

to appeal, I think, to a more conservative audience.

So you're saying that they should just And me,

they should make a full be the lone democratic

socialist army supporter.

Oh my God.

So you're trying to jam has shake the official dessert

of universal basic income.

So you're trying to say that they should do a hard

pivot and go down the big LA route and just become

exclusively seed oil free.

Yeah, so they can, so I actually think

that's how they win.

So instead of, why does everyone hate Arby's?

Why does 50% of America hate Arby's?

I actually think Arby's best shot at winning the

game right now is to go seed oil free, honest.

You know, you never know.

You never know it's you.

It's probably working for Steak and Shake.

I mean, I didn't even know what Steak and Shake was

until you told me what it was.

I've never had a steak and shake before.

They, they, it's pretty good, like little steak

burgers, they call it smashing down pretty good.

I think they need to pair down their menu.

I agree with that.

I think.

But do, do you actually think that that shaved roast

beef has a shot to succeed as a main ticket item?

Especially with rising beef prices and especially with the

dominance of fried chicken.

Yeah, you do.

I think, I think, I think they need to go back to

classics the way that like Burger King is becoming retro.

Yeah.

I think Arby's needs to go back to the classics.

Is Burger King having a good time doing that?

I mean, is it working?

I mean, you could have it your way, you rule,

but you know what I mean?

I don't, I don't know.

I don't know what the numbers are.

So if, if, if my like Arby's shading more towards a right

wing demographic, Uhhuh is not supported enough.

Do you remember?

This is my, one of my favorite weird little

activations of all time.

Arby's introduced a big game burger, never.

What's it about?

Available for a limited time.

Tell me about It's.

Introduced a game meat burger.

Oh yes.

In like 16 of the restaurants.

They were doing this, this venison, elk.

Yeah. Yeah.

They also had duck breasts at a period of time.

Yeah.

Arby's has, uh, they had a venison sandwich in 2017.

I never got to try either.

I don't think any of them were available at

the ones that were like anywhere close to near us.

Maybe it was in Ohio.

I think that's the highest concentration

of, but I mean if Arby's, the big game Burger, a

Venice and an elk burger.

It does not speak to the Joe Rogan crossbow hunting crowd.

I don't know what, would you make many good points here?

We've found an official route for Arby's to be

able to take Arby's.

Are you listening?

Arby's brothers.

I'm sorry.

One of them passed.

The Rafa Brothers, the ref, the Rael family.

Are you listening?

Is anybody there?

Maybe you should listen to us.

Honestly, what is it gonna take for one of these Mother

Evan fast food places to hire us as consultants?

We are doing the Lord's work here, probably us

having like more cogent points and not saying that

they're diarrhea brown.

But other than that, I think we have really good ideas.

That's right.

That was a little bit effed up.

I'm sorry, Arby's.

Hey, listen.

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Alright, Nicole.

All right.

We've heard what you and I have to say.

Yeah, I've had a Burt building for a while, but

now it's time to find out one of the radical ideas are

out there in the universe.

It's time for, looks like what we call opinion.

Opinions are like ca.

Thank you.

Let's fire up that opinion machine.

Hi, Josh and Nicole.

So my South African family has always made something

that they said they came up with, and I know if

you've ever heard of it.

They call it Angels on Horseback.

Oh, and it's wheat bread with peanut butter salami.

Tomato and Colby jack cheese toasted topped

with salt and pepper.

What?

I think it's delicious, but everybody that I get

to try it just thinks on concept that it's gross.

I think it's a good balance of flavor.

What do you guys think?

So we know angels on horseback to be oysters

wrapped in bacon.

Yes.

And then there's devils on horseback, which is, is that

what they call the dates?

Yeah, dates.

Yeah.

I dunno what your parents are doing.

That's crazy.

That's just like a severe miscommunication, I feel like.

Right.

That's like a hardcore, like that is just, it's

like when my mom called.

Tomato pasta, bitch pasta because she

doesn't know that bitch.

And horror are different words.

So, and pasta putco was made by prostitutes.

So she goes, she calls any tomato sauce, quote

unquote bitch sauce.

It's pretty funny.

I think it's the same exact situ. Like,

why are you laughing?

It's cute.

It is the same exact situation.

Like your parents are like, oh, oysters.

Hold on.

No, that's right.

Oysters wrapped in, wrapped in bacon.

That's awesome.

It to beat Australian whatever.

It's like oysters wrapped in bacon or

not what I think it is.

And then they came here and they put wheat bread on,

tomato salt, pepper and stuff.

What, what was, what was the actual, uh, list of foods?

There were a lot more, I thought there'd be two or

three things 'cause that's what angels on horseback is.

But then they, they kept going meat bread with

peanut butter, salami.

Tomato and kby jack cheese, peanut butter, toasted

topped with salt and pepper, peanut butter, salami,

kby, jack, cheese, tomato.

That's a crazy amount of, that's a, it's a crazy

combination of foods.

I can't imagine the peanut butter going

well with any of that.

Weird.

You kind of toasted.

Um, I, I've never heard of anything but there's a South

Africans love making, they call it like a Bri Brodi.

They like a Bri bro, bri Brodi.

And they put like tomatoes.

What are you talking about?

Um, oh my God.

But they put like the, the, the, the chutney or the

pickle or whatever uhhuh, uh, with the tomato and

the cheese and some sort of cured meat sometimes.

And they grill it.

It's all sweet and whatever.

It's just kind of gets to that.

But not really.

This might just be your family thing.

Is South Africa considered a commonwealth country?

Yes.

Okay.

Next.

Hi, I'm Olivia.

I'm 11.

When I was younger, I would make cup,

microwave, mac and cheese.

Okay.

And I would put ranch seasoning, everything, bagel

seasoning, Cheetos, let's go and lemon juice in it.

Let's go.

And I ate that for the entire summer of 2020.

Yeah.

Also Josh and Nicole.

Huh?

Do a what I eat in a day, please.

Oh, oh.

I've always thought about doing an actual accurate,

what I eat in a day.

'cause we did one where I pretended to eat

everything out of a whole Parmesan cheese.

That was a good video.

That like gets like every now and then, like it

comes on my feed and like has like a random, like 27

million views or something.

Yeah.

Yeah. Good job.

Thank you so much.

We like to make, um, alluring content around here, alle.

Uh, this sounds great.

Also, your voice tripped me up.

I was, I didn't believe you when you said

you were 11 at first.

Yeah. I'm so sorry.

Some people just have deeper voices.

I'm very sorry for my very expressive face.

Sometimes it gets me in trouble.

I apologize.

Well, there was, I believe they were watching television

or something because in the background there was a very

faint voice and I couldn't hear where it was coming from

and it was freaking me out.

Oh, yeah.

So that's what my face was about was 2020

during the pandemic.

Uh, yeah.

That sounds like a pandemic food.

75% of 2020 was during the pandemic.

We started in March.

Started in March, but they said summer.

They said summer.

So yeah, that's a, that's a great pandemic meal.

Perfect.

Love it.

Perfect.

Love the acid from the lemon juice on there.

Add lemon juice.

Cheddar cheese, I think goes wonderful together.

Yeah, I love Cheetos and things.

Still.

Sesame poppy seed, chunky garlic in there.

That's fun, man.

Hi, my name's Nicole, and this is what I eat in the day.

Every morning when I wake up, I make myself a

coffee with a protein milk and collagen peptides.

I get about 35 grams of protein with that.

And then, um, I have a, this morning I had a

bagel with cream cheese and cherry tomatoes, and.

And then I had a Madeline as a snack, and then I

had a quarter of a chicken capra sandwich with curry

couscous from Mendocino Farms.

And then for dinner, I'm probably gonna get something

from my mother-in-law because I don't wanna cook.

Thanks for listening.

My name's Josh.

I woke up.

I had five milligrams of creatine.

I then had a scoop and a half of C four pre-workout powder.

I ate a protein bar on my way to the gym.

My hair felt like it was burning.

I had no water at the gym.

I took a shower, hopefully some absorbed through my skin.

I got to work.

I had eight ounces of black coffee.

Despite the fact that I had pre-workout earlier in the

day and then I ate, uh, two full cups of Ghost protein

cereal with a scoop of protein powder milk on it.

It was not very good.

And then, um, I ate a thing of Quest protein

chips that I found just laying around the office.

I did not enjoy it very much.

I had half of my Mendocino Farms Thai chicken mango

salad before this podcast.

And then I thought, ooh.

I'll save the second half after the podcast.

Tonight's little treat for a job well done, and

I intend to eat that.

After this, I will go home and I will eat eight ounces of

chicken teriyaki with my wife, with black forbidden rice and

steamed broccoli, and then sauteed peppers and onions.

You have to say.

That's what I mean, and that's what I eat in a day.

I might also eat an apple.

Was that how you do it?

I mean, you could, well, I have a whole

pineapple in the fridge.

At home.

You could have been a little, like, like more

social media voicey.

How, how much?

I also bashed out poke, but Oh, it's kinda sat

in there for a minute.

Oh.

But so now it's like, lo me, lo me.

It's kind of, it's kind of, yeah, but I think you,

I'm just gonna cook it.

I'm just gonna kind of stir fry the salmon with the rice.

Okay. Crazy.

They didn't have any, they didn't have any

ato and not even frozen.

Um, where I went to Whole Foods.

Isn't that crazy?

So I made Salmon Polk, which I don't love.

Raw salmon.

Must This is what our podcast, it should be insulting

what This is terrible.

And then check this out.

I made, you know how sweetfin they have

like the carrot poke.

No, I don't go to Sweet Fish.

It's been a long time.

I eat sometimes you IT for catering.

Sometimes we get it for catering.

Oh yeah.

That Because we realize no's eating the beef.

So we're like, what if we got all fish?

There's no beef for our young people.

There's no beef poke.

Okay. At sweet.

I know.

I'm saying that's why we order it for catering for lunch.

'cause we realize our employees don't eat beef.

I don't think theyre all young.

That's right.

I don't think that's right.

They're young, college educated people.

They're not eating as much beef.

I love me.

So they do a carrot.

They do a carrot.

You don't have a college degree.

So, oh, that's why I don't, I know.

And so I have an associates.

Is that a college?

College degree?

Doesn't count.

No. And so what they do?

What do you mean?

My parents think it is, they can think what they want.

Uh, and so what are you getting at?

What are you getting at?

Oh, what is the point?

I'm trying to do what I eat in a day.

I don't know how they go really badly.

Yeah, I'm not a good social media influencer.

All right. Next opinion.

Oh, you sexy bitches.

I have a hot take and that is Buddha is the perfect food.

All right, Buddha.

It is Boan boan balls.

It has your rice.

It has your meat. It's delicious.

Yeah.

And there's some vegetables cooked down in there.

Yeah. Yeah.

And it's handheld budha changes your life.

Bye by Budda is, it's classified as a sausage.

I, however, however, it's, it's really more

of an American haggis.

Oh.

It's 'cause it's, it's a very loose, uh,

uh, a coarse filling.

It's very coarse.

There's like whole grains in it.

Yup.

And it tastes really, it really does taste

like Haggas Haggy.

Um, and I love boudan.

I've had some great, great boudan.

They'll do fried boudan balls down Louisiana.

Um, I agree.

Great way to use up all the parts of the pig that, you

know, you don't, um, I suppose want to eat elsewhere, right?

I love me some Boudan.

Absolutely agree.

Haven't had it enough, but I love all sausages.

Truly.

I have never met a sausage I don't like.

And that's not even on like that, like freak stuff.

I'm being serious.

Like I love all, like, I'm like, I've gone to many

parts of the world and every time I've had a sausage,

I've had a good time.

Look at how coarse this boot end is, dude.

It's like a, it's like a, that's cos hell.

It's like literally just like loose.

It's coarse and there's just grain spilling out of it.

Dude, boudin's crazy.

It does look like you opened up a stomach and there's

just food coming out of it.

That's what I'm saying.

If you stuffed boudan into like a sheep stomach Yeah.

I think it would really read as haggas.

Yeah.

I think you, that's a really good point.

Thank you so much.

I'm, I'm very smart.

I know. I told you that today.

I said you were too smart.

Remember?

Yeah.

I said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Next opinion.

Hi, my name is Brandon from Midwest or from

Iowa, my girlfriend that was crazy from Maine.

And she is struggling to adapt to casserole, which are a huge

thing here in the Midwest.

They know.

Um, any advice for her to get over the hatred

of Midwest culture?

That's interesting.

What's, what's the problem with casserole?

I also have a casserole averse wife.

So I also need you to gimme a second.

Whatcha talking about, I love my casserole verse wife,

but I have one, so, oh God.

So some people prefer to not have all their foods

mashed up into one amorphous.

And baked.

The problem is I'm somebody who vastly prefers that.

Mm-hmm.

So the other day we, I cooked a bunch of mac and cheese for

a party, and we kind of ended up with just like, loose,

leftover, cooked mac macaroni.

Yeah.

I had some, like, I had some like gobbit of meat and

vegetables and tomato sauce, gobbit and like goss of meat.

You know, like, like, like tupperwares of meat.

Yeah.

Cooked and raw.

And I was like, well, this is perfect for a

fridge cleaning casserole.

I had a bunch of like, ends of kale.

Oh.

And I had some leftover Romesco that I made and

like a, a half a thing of tomato puree, you know?

And I was like, I can chuck this all together for a

casserole, but I could tell that Julia was only

eating it to be polite.

I put a little bit of bechamel on it, so it

was like kale macaroni, a weird almond tomato sauce.

Gobbit of meat.

I don't like that.

Probably ground Turkey.

Oh, you know, it was, it was, it was Turkey

meatballs that I'd made.

Chop them up.

But it was like the perfect, everything was balanced.

It was, it was creamy.

It was still healthy.

There was vegetables in it, lean meats, little protein.

Find out that what your girlfriend's

favorite foods are.

Maybe I mash 'em all together in a cas iron.

Bake it off.

Maybe I don't like casserole either.

Huh.

What kind of casserole has you been eating?

I don't eat casseroles.

I'm not a casserole person.

You ever have ine That doesn't count.

INE is a casser.

No, it's a perfect casserole.

Don't compare INE to like Midwest.

Cleaning out the fridge Casserole.

Aching is exactly a Midwest casserole.

It's not.

No, it's not.

It's most Midwest casseroles.

It's like rice mixed with cream of mushroom soup

and like meat and veg.

Ing.

Mm-hmm.

It's like rice mixed with yogurt.

Mm-hmm.

That's your people's cream of mushroom soup.

Our people's yogurt.

Okay. Is cream of mushroom soup.

Sure.

Right.

I thought it was sour cream, but okay.

Whatever.

You can go ahead for the sake of the conversation, you know,

and then you, uh, you know, add like the, the berries,

you know, uh, I'm listen.

Some shredded chicken.

Listen, listen, I, I'm picking up what you're

putting down, but then I'm gonna send it right back.

All right?

Alright.

I don't like casserole other than ine.

Thank you.

I'm some sort of bake, I like, I like Is, is macaroni

and cheese a casserole?

I think many are baked in a casserole, literally,

I think refers to the style of baking dish.

Okay.

And so there's no like, set definition

of what a casserole is.

Okay.

Um, but yeah, I would argue most mac and cheeses that are

baked like that, but I think a casserole implies there's

like a casserole implies it's meant to be a complete meal.

Mm-hmm.

Right?

With, you know, like a balanced meal, in fact.

But the thing is, I don't just serve a casserole.

Like if I'm making like a pasta bake.

Yeah. Sweet's, a pasta bake.

I always have like a vegetable on the side

or salad on the side.

And a casserole, like you can make like casserole

style potatoes at her side.

But to me, like a true casserole is meant

to be a full meal.

Something like, I don't like it then.

Something like Shepherd's Pie.

Okay. I could not.

The one that I made when you came over, that was so bad.

Dude. It wasn't that bad.

I don't know.

I was pretty bummed about it.

No, it wasn't.

It wasn't bad at all.

It wasn't really shepherd's pie.

I tried to do a top, I think ate round some part of.

Yeah.

Maybe it's, why didn't I, the potatoes never

got cooked on the top that that's what it was.

I didn't eat the potatoes on the top.

But don't be disappointed.

It's okay.

You do great work all the time.

Yeah.

It'd be weird if you didn't have some mistakes

throughout your, your career.

Yeah. But it's okay.

Also, I wasn't even supposed to be there, remember?

That's right.

I, I, I kind of was a little bit of an impromptu

guest, which I, we were happy to have you.

This, this is a nice time.

I know, but still, you know, like I wasn't even supposed

to ever eat those potatoes.

Yeah.

Nobody was supposed to be just me and my casserole of first

wife, who also did not like the casserole that I made.

I was in January.

I gotta make, I mean I put all your favorite foods together.

Mash 'em up, bake 'em off.

High heat, top it with cheese.

See what happens.

Make her an ideal casserole.

Oh, oh yeah, I forgot.

Show her that you care.

Um, put cheese on.

Cheese or topping of bechamel.

Dude cheese.

Top of the casserole with besh.

When in doubt, cheese it up.

That should be Arby's new logo.

When in hell Chael add bechamel?

Hell, Chael isn't a real place.

That's a fair point.

I never thought about it like that.

Hey Josh.

Nicole, I've been listening to The Hot Dog Is A Sandwich

podcast and watching the Nicole Kitchen since

I was in sixth grade.

Woo, that's awesome.

And I'm about to my senior year of high school.

That's crazy.

Work at Little Caesars as a manager.

Congrats.

And last summer we had Pineapple Pepsi and it

was so freaking good.

Hot yum.

And I wanna know if y'all tried it.

And if you thought it was good, I did not.

If not, I doubt we're ever bringing it back.

But go get a pretzel crust at a little Caesars near

you because it's so yummy.

Thank you so much.

How did Listen, listen.

I love pineapple on pizza, and why can't I have

pineapple in my Pepsi?

How did I miss all of, I have to pee really bad.

Pineapple Pepsi.

I'm gonna pee my pants.

What we have to miss are we, are we at the time

where we're wrapping?

Yeah, we're close.

Oh my God.

Why?

Why didn't you pee before I did.

I was about to say something really nice about

this person who I did.

The fact that, that she's been watching since she was

in sixth grade and now she's graduating high school.

So that's incredible.

Thank you so much for like, trusting us with your time.

Thank you.

And attention and frankly, a pretty big developmental

part of your life.

Um, okay.

I think that's really cool.

That's kind of making me emotional, but

you have to pee go.

No, no, it's okay.

Continue.

I can hold it a little bit longer.

That's really sweet.

Thanks for wa.

Sorry, I didn't mean to completely jive,

like ruin your life.

That's great.

Thank you Nicole.

I got a poop.

Josh.

I gotta poop, you gotta wrap it up.

It's a different situation.

You gotta cut me some slack here.

No, but that's really sweet.

Thank you for watching all these years.

It really is wonderful.

I love the work you do at Little Caesar's.

I never had to, I got to try Pineapple Pepsi.

I'm kind bummed about it because I love artificial

pineapple flavoring.

Me too.

Um, pretzel crust at Little Caesars absolutely rules you

rule crazy bread for life.

Uh, we're wrapping it up.

You gotta go peepee.

If you wanna be featured on opinions are like casseroles,

give us a ring.

Leave a quick message at 833 Dogpod1.

Bye.

Uh, hey, Nicole's, Nicole's peeing.

Just you can walk in front of all the cameras.

She has a baby.

Does this mean the baby's peeing?

And if you wanna watch more Mythical Kitchen,

we upload videos all the time over on YouTube.

It feels weird without Nicole here.

This is deceptively lonely.

I know Maggie's here, but it's different, you

know, not having somebody right next to you.

I used to think that maybe I could be a solo

podcaster 'cause I, I never shut the hell up.

You know?

I have a lot of respect for what people like

Emma Chamberlain do.

Just able to sit there and almost have like a

didactic, you know, dialogue going between themselves.

But now that I sit here, I was just talking to you.

Face to face.

I, it does feel a bit isolating in a sense, like I

don't have any, have anyone not only challenging my views,

but even just sort of acting as like a refractory mirror.

I mean, okay, bye.

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