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So I am here in Laura Coonsburg's normal
seat. So Laura Coonsburg is obviously
not here. It looks like you're in a
containment vessel somewhere. Where are
you?
>> I am in the glorious BBC studios in
Salford
>> just next to the fine fine city of
Manchester
>> because the conservatives are going to
uh Manchester.
>> They are. They are. And so we were
always planning to be here this weekend
to bring our program on Sunday mornings
to our viewers from the venue of the
Troy party conference as is tradition
and convention and speak to the party
leader which we will be doing this
morning. However, for all the wrong
reasons to come to Manchester, this
weekend has proven to be as an
opportunity to go and see and speak to
some of the people in the community
who've been caught up in a terrible
attack on Thursday morning. So, we'll be
talking about the Conservatives hopes
and dreams and fears for the next few
days, but also the ongoing aftermath of
the terrible attack on the synagogue in
Manchester. all on Saturday's newscast.
>> Hello, it's Patty in the studio
>> and it's Laura in the studio in Sulford.
>> So, as you've rightly reminded us, there
are two rivers meeting. Uh, one a terror
attack on British Jews, the other the
annual conference of the conservatives,
the first of for the leader Kem Benedok.
So it seems to me that you've been
bringing these issues together because
is it right you've met Kem Benedok at a
synagogue?
>> Yes. So we went this morning to the
synagogue where the attack took place at
9:31 on Thursday morning. Kem Benedok
made the trip herself to go to the
synagogue to meet the mayor of Greater
Manchester, Andy Barnham, there and also
to speak to some of the police officers
who were on duty today and some of those
also who were part of the effort to help
on Thursday morning after the attack
unfolded.
And while we were there, we spoke to
Cammy Bedno. Um she talked about how
appalled she was at the attack, but she
also had quite a strong criticism of the
government. I think Patty and I do want
to talk about speaking to some of the
people in that community in a second,
but I think that she has this afternoon
sort of upped the political pressure on
the government in terms not of course of
their role in anything to do with this
individual who was killed by the police
to prevent more bloodshed, but in terms
of the government, as she would say,
being responsible for allowing a climate
to develop in this country in the last
couple of years. And she told me that
Kstama and Labor had been responsible
and not done nearly enough to tackle
what she described as homegrown terror.
Those ideologies, extremist ideologies
that she believes have taken hold in
some communities in this country and
that are creating a real climate of fear
for some British Jews. This is how she
explained it.
>> I think that the government could have
been stronger. I think that over the
last few years a lot more should have
been said and done. We cannot tackle
this with nice words and you know asking
everybody to come together faith and
togetherness these it's nice to say
those things but words are not enough.
We need action. We have seen protests uh
since October 7th itself happen in
London and all around our country. A lot
of them being used as a cover for
intimidating Jews. Not enough has been
done to shut them down. The fact that we
had a protest on Yom Kipur after a
terrorist incident that killed Jewish
people I think was extraordinary. The
the way that we're applying our laws is
too feeble. But the prime minister
himself needs to show that he can come
out as strongly against the people who
do this sort of thing as he does against
others. I don't think that that is uh
happening enough. I want to see a lot
more tough action from the prime
minister and a lot more words that will
show Jewish people that they are safe in
this country because what worries me now
is that quite a lot of them are leaving.
I mean, there's been a very strong
conversation in the newspapers and
online and on the airwaves about whether
or not the government went too far to
prescribe Palestine action. And the then
Home Secretary Iet Cooper took to the
newspapers to say there's information
you don't know about, oh member of the
British public, that led us to take this
decision. So although we've heard the
leader of the opposition say the
government hasn't gone far enough,
Laura, both you and I have read
newscasters who feel and viewers to your
program and listeners to mine who feel
actually the government's taken a
misstep. Uh and so there really is a
reminder there for me of the perilous
place we're in in the British
conversation where there is polarization
around all the key issues and now a
political line being drawn when it could
have been an opportunity for unity of
the political classes.
>> It's just an incredibly fraught
situation whichever direction you look
in. And as we are chatting, I'm looking
then at pictures on the screen in the
studio where I'm sitting, which have
just flashed up pictures of people being
arrested at the protest in London for
being in support of Palestine action,
which is a prescribed terror group,
which means that supporting them and
showing support for them is illegal.
There was a protest here also in
Manchester of people wanting to show
their support for Palestinians. But a
counterprotest turned up as well to
object to people protesting. The prime
minister and the home secretary both
went public yesterday and said, "Please
do not, as a mark of respect to the
Jewish community this weekend, please do
not go and exercise your right to
protest on these issues." And then the
prime minister himself this morning was
firmly and roundly criticized by some
Jews who were attending synagogue that
he went to with his wife Victoria this
morning. And that comes the day after
the deputy prime minister was heckled by
people outside the synagogue where the
attack was on Thursday shouting shame on
you. So everywhere you look this
conversation is incredibly fraught and
hot and difficult. and the sort of
politics of terror, if you want to call
it that, are sort of terrifying also for
politicians because everywhere they
look, there is danger and risk. I think
it's also, of course, important to say
that in the Jewish community, like any
other community in this country, nobody
thinks the same. So, while there were
some people
incredibly upset heckling the deputy
prime minister in the street yesterday
when he attended a vigil, there were
also two rabbis that I spoke to today at
a different synagogue in a different
part of Manchester. We'll play some of
that conversation on the program
tomorrow, but they did not share that
level of anger and vitriol almost
towards the government. So certainly
they had very strong concerns about
rising levels of anti-semitism
but they did not hold that kind of
attitude of and bear that real anger
towards government for in their in their
view you know that accusation that they
hadn't done nearly enough. So this is
just about as fraught and tangled as it
gets. And you sort of think Patty, it's
one of those political situations
where you it's very easy to say, "Ah,
you mustn't allow people to do that, but
then what's about this?" Oh, and it's
completely unacceptable to do that. Oh,
but then what about this? And then, of
course, you talked to people who are
right in it as part of their lives. And
I'm aware I've now been talking for a
very, very long time. But I spoke to
three little boys this morning who had
turned up to see what was happening at
the synagogue. three little Jewish boys,
8, 12, and 14.
And they were telling me about how it's
perfectly normal at their school, not
just that they have security, but one of
them said to me, "Every day someone
comes into school and something else has
happened, they might have been shouted
at in the street or had something thrown
at them in the street or something
sprayed at them in the street." And for
these three little boys growing up in
the UK,
that's their norm.
Yes. And I mean it's right to speak and
give airtime to those voices who you've
met this morning. That's the point.
That's why we I think we were hoping you
would expound on how you'd spent the
morning in Manchester and we'll go on to
talk about the conference in more
detail. For my part, I've I've been
speaking to people in Gaza. We've been
calling them today about this trap of
hope and fear. And also I've been
speaking to the family of British
Issraeli hostages who were held or have
been held in Gaza. People do want to
know what kind of message the political
class have for this moment in time. Both
what's happening on our streets in the
United Kingdom and what is happening in
the destroyed streets and in the
destroyed hearts of people uh in the
Middle East. So with that in mind, we
have these protests and this conference
beginning just as we have the biggest
momentum for some kind of stop coming
from the White House who is now
amazingly in dialogue with Hamas.
>> Yeah. And while it seems and our
colleagues in the Middle East have been
reporting very clearly that there are
still many obstacles here, it's also
very clear and a senior figure of the
British government indicated this to me
too that this is the best chance yet
and that the stars do seem to be
aligning at least to make some end to
the bloodshed appear much more likely
than it has
up until this point. So we will we will
see. Um
>> can we say that the political
temperature will go down if the war is
paused? Is that can we say that?
>> I think that's a likely outcome. You
know I think never say never. I mean but
but I think that is a likely outcome. If
you remove
a situation that is so upsetting, so
aggravating
for anyone looking at looking in on it,
if you remove that,
then you might expect that the political
temperature would come down. And
certainly people I spoke to this morning
all said explicitly that the levels of
anti-semitism that dayto-day experience
for Jews in this country has become much
more difficult and much more fraught
since the conflict in Gaza began. Now
can we mean can we therefore conclude
that automatically if there's a solution
and the fighting ends and the killing
ends
that definitively that will cool
temperatures in the UK? I mean I think
we can say that's likely. I don't think
we can say that's automatic.
Um but I think we can say that's we can
say that's likely if because it was the
many people would say this is the it was
the cause of things becoming worse and
more difficult and more fraught. And
certainly people said to me this morning
that that was their experience. I mean
there was one one man I spoke to, one
father I spoke to who told me that his
grandfather had come to the UK having
survived Avitz. He was had always been
proud that Britain was the place that
gave his family a home. Um and he said
you know what I'm not really he said I'm
not I'm not political and said I I look
at what's happening in Gaza. I think
it's terrible but I'm not political and
I don't you know I don't see this as
being anything to do with to do with me.
I'm I'm paraphrasing. We didn't record
this conversation, but he said that what
people had been shouting at him in the
street in the last couple of years was
free Palestine
as a result of what has been happening
in the war in Gaza. And he was
not not not baffled or bewildered but I
think frustrated thinking this is
nothing to do this is nothing to do with
me. I too as a human being look at that
situation and deplore what is happening.
>> Yeah. Because I mean I I have this in my
own experience. So if you take Shiron
Livshitz who I'm speaking to again on BH
tomorrow and who you've spoken to her
father Oded who was murdered as a
hostage in Gaza just three weeks after
he was taken. He all his life fought for
a free Palestinian state. So he was
living in a kabutz. He was a peace. He
drove Palestinians to hospitals in
Israel in happier times. He was taken
hostage. He wanted himself a free
Palestine.
>> He was taken hostage. So the the the
reason why the man the gentleman you've
met whose family fled the Holocaust is
surprised is because to he did not
expect the actions of the Israeli state
which are disputed within Israel itself
by fierce opponents to be directed at
him on the streets in Britain. And
normally what would happen is the
political class would coales to say he's
right. He he should not have shouts on
the street. And that's where that's why
I'm intrigued that there could be a
political fault line between the big
parties about how to respond right now
and what message to give to us as
citizens sharing the same pavements.
>> I think that's exactly right. And what
what do they do? You know, the right to
protest if we think about the protest
for example, the right to protest is a
fundamental right of this country,
right? That is absolutely think of
speaker's corner in years gone by in
hide park or you know it's it's a
fundamental right. No politician is ever
going to say you're not allowed to
protest in the UK. And yet here we are
in this position where it is a subject
of political debate. What are people
allowed to write on placards? Which
particular groups are they allowed to
say that they advocate for? Who is there
a case to say actually on some days of
the year you should be allowed to ban a
march or allowed to ban a protest? Well,
at the same time all our politicians
would say, well, of course free speech
is a good thing. That's a fundamental
British value. But the world that we
live in is so complex that many of these
values are really being tested. I think
it's I think it's fair to say that
without wanting to have a very pompous
philosophical debate on a Saturday
afternoon when you might be, you know,
wanting to watch the football or have a
cup of tea.
>> Well, if anyone if anyone has had a
pompous philosophical debate, it's this
uh weekend newscast. So, we're we're on
good. But let's bring this section to a
close if you like by saying there have
been some fabulous episodes getting to
grips with what happened in Manchester
hosted by Adam in the week and we are
bringing you the flavor of what's
happened with law uh interviews this
morning in Manchester about the
synagogue attack and now we are as
promised going to move on to talk about
the simple old-fashioned business of a
party conference albeit set against
tumultuous times. So let us get to grips
with that. She's new. She's new at
conference as the leader even though
it's 11 months I think now.
>> That's right. And I think Tammy
Benedok's newness
is seen as lots of people is something
that she has not exploited. So there are
lots and lots of problems with the
Conservative party. Newscasters know
this. They're way way way behind in the
polls. They're very unhappy. They're
very disgruntled. chem doesn't really
seem to have been able to catch a break.
And one of the interesting analyses that
was put to me, to use another pompous
word, how unlike me, um was that because
we're now 11 months in, she's sort of
stuck in this place where she's no
longer really new
>> and she didn't grab that opportunity to
make a first impression,
but she's also not been there long
enough to have much public recognition.
>> Yes. much authority
>> because she she said, didn't she as she
took the job, hang on, I want to listen.
I want to go around. I want to groove
the groove. I don't think she said that.
I think that's me. But she said,
>> you always grooving the groove.
>> She was, but what she was saying was,
"I'm in listen mode. We are obviously
going to relaunch." But I think the
launch date she set was 2030, wasn't it?
>> Well, yeah. I mean the the the tag of
fire leadership campaign which now I was
joking with a conservative yesterday
because you know when I was trying to
pick their brains about things and they
were bemoning the fact that basically in
their view she's taken far too long to
come up with anything. I did sort of
gently tease them and say well actually
it did say 2030. You know she she's done
what it said on the on the tin.
>> Yeah. I mean and because the thing is
the drubbing was so severe wasn't it?
They ran out of prime ministers. The
voters told them in no uncertain terms
to get out of office. That happened.
It's so contrasting to the fact that
they appear to be saying the same in
polls to Labor. But on the other hand,
when she took over, that was the
atmosphere that we were reporting at the
time. She had to be humble in the face
of the poll of what had happened.
>> It was. But there are a lot of people in
the Tory party who would tell you that
character-wise she is not a humble
person and that she decided that the
best thing to do was to basically stay
quiet for some time, try and sort the
party out, try and make sure that money
was still coming in from donors and then
at some point come up with a whole load
of policy. Now we are going to see lots
and lots of policy this week,
>> right?
However, I think it's really worth
noting. It's
there's a fair body of opinion in the
Tory party that essentially agrees that
she fudged her chance to make a first
impression and you don't ever get that
back. And while she was hanging back,
Nigel Farage was stepping in to that
vacuum, right? And you know, if you
never quite get it, you don't quite put
your hand up quick enough because
politics is so fast. If you've got a
rival on the right of politics,
obviously discuss actually some of
reform stuff is not particularly
right-wing, but broadly speaking, let's
say if you've got a rival on the right,
the tries don't have the luxury of time.
And that I think is the debate that is
really going on in the background in the
Tory party. right?
>> It's do they have enough time to give
her a chance to sort it out or actually
is the conclusion really that it's
already gone?
>> So in the short time that remains there
are sort of three P's, aren't there?
There's policies, there's personalities
and there's process. Newscasters take it
when we just do personalities and
process. So let's promise to do
policies. But just is it really true
that there is a threat to her leadership
from supporters of Robert Genrich or is
that a flyer?
>> I think it's not true right now at this
very moment in time. Is it a threat that
exists?
Yes, absolutely. Um, is it a threat that
is definitely going to come to pass
before Christmas? Not necessarily. But
is there a very likely very real threat
to her leadership after what they expect
to be a dubbing at the elections in May?
Yes, 100%.
And the only person at this moment in
time who looks like, to quote one source
of mine, he wants to rip up the grass is
Robert Genre. Um, but no, I mean I was
told very clearly, and maybe they would
say this, wouldn't they? I was told very
clearly by by um his camp that there is
no truth in this suggestion that they
are trying to overtly organize at the
moment. Right.
>> Um and I I think and it'll be
interesting to see I suspect that he
might try to do a reverse burnum like
basically not be spotted that much at a
conference deliberately rather than
having a huge profile before. You know,
he could have for example done a few
newspaper interviews or something in the
run-up to conference. Actually, he's not
been out there making headlines
deliberately. Right.
>> So that's quite interesting.
>> A reverse burnum. It's it's it's 2025
lingo that we all suddenly now
understand. But and he was seen as going
too early, wasn't he? So generic might
be saying I must go late. So this
conference I read in your online piece
is all about her says one source. Yes.
But we rule out a weekend uh generic
style challenge. So we're going to just
get scamper through the issues.
>> We'll never rule it out Patty. Don't say
that.
>> But this weekend. I'm ruling it out this
weekend.
>> Well, it's fine if we're wrong. We're
always happy to be wrong.
>> Well, you would be me would be wrong
because you said don't rule it out. So,
I'm ruling it out. But what do I know?
So, what I do know is that at 10:00 last
night, they put out a new policy. Yes.
>> So, and let's turn to some policies
which that they would leave the ECR.
>> Yes.
>> Now, um do we need to say that that's
surprising or because the prime minister
has spoken about tinkering with the ECR?
It is entirely unsurprising that Kemi
Baden is finally going to say out loud
what everybody in her party has been
expecting her to end up saying, that the
Conservatives would leave the European
Convention on Human Rights if they win
the next election. Uh it's entirely
unsurprising that she's saying it now.
Uh it's still undesirable to the
vestigages of the rump of the softy bit
of the Tory party who think why would
you want the UK to be like Barus and
Russia?
>> I want softy bit as a podcast. softy
bit, soft cast. That could be about ice
cream or it could be it could be about
all sorts of things. Let's not go there,
right?
>> Um but that so that's unsurprising.
Here's the question. Uh given that
reform have been saying this for months
and months and months and months and
months.
>> Uh is it going to get them any traction?
So there is a I mean I know I'm a
terrible political nerd rather than
thinking about the policy, but here's
the question. Is it actually going to
get them anywhere by saying this now
debate? Is it going to shift a single
bit of the polls? probably not. You're
right to say and the government actually
is involved in talks on this with other
European countries. The government is
looking at tweaking how it's applied,
how the courts actually use the ECR.
Important also to say for newscasters
that frankly the government has been
saying that for a long time. I think
Iette Cooper even said that to us in
opposition that she would look at some
of it. The big picture is do you need to
tack to the center as Kem Bayox
Conservative Party or do you need to do
what K star is doing which is tackle
reform and it seems to me that there is
an open question. No one can decide. You
need more events to see um well, you
need more policies. Uh and whether
you're not going to go heart and soul
for the center ground, which is kind of
what Tony Blair put as
>> and David Cameron and George Osborne and
kind of Theresa May and sort of Boris
Johnson in his own way, but then you had
Brexit. I was going to say Breakfast,
then you Brexit coming in to surprise
that bit. But I think this is the point.
The Tory party still hasn't really
resolved that,
>> right?
>> So Kemmy Bnock is someone look at her
other policy. She says she'd scrap the
climate change act. Okay. Well, that's
definitely reformy tending, righty
tending rather than the sort of Amber
Rudd, David Cameron, green
conservatives. I still remember the
conference where he appeared in front of
a large tree and the whole thing looked
like the Teletubbies with a sort of
green and pleasant land and all this
kind of stuff. We're not in that mode at
all. But this is what somebody else said
to me. Look, if I want a full fat coke,
I'll have a full fat coke. In other
words, why would you go for the Tories
if they're sort of a slightly softer
version of reform or what they would say
is a much more serious version of a
party on the right because they don't
see reform as a serious party. But if
you're if immigration is your top issue,
this source was suggesting to me you'd
go for reform. You wouldn't go for the
Tories. So the gap in the market that
some conservatives identify is in the
center and the right kind of where the
Lib Dems are. It's not where reform are
and this is debate I think fundamentally
I think the Tory party hasn't resolved
this debate chem's team believe that she
will be able to resolve it this week
that she will stamp her authority she
will say this is what it means to be an
authentic conservative come with me we
will turn it around
but there's a huge question mark about
whether she'll be able to pull it off
and we don't know you know conferences
can be when we were talking last week
right about Kstarma would he have a
terrible week or a decent week would he
be able to do a good speech or Not
actually uh for Kier Armor, he did have
a pretty decent week. Not an easy week,
but he certainly settled the nerves
probably temporarily, frankly, but he
did do some nerve settling because his
speech was one of the better speeches
that he has given. His performance in
various interviews and millions that he
did was a bit more punchy than it has
been for some time. Of course, it's
perfectly possible that Kemmy Blinder
would play Kem Ben will say blinder. Kem
Blinder will play a Bnock. It's
perfectly possible that Kemmy Bnock will
play a Blinder this week, but she'll
surprise people if she does. Right.
>> Well, what they have in common is the
ism though. People said, "What's the
starism?" And they say, "What's the
Benoism?" And with his back against the
wall at his leader speech, he found a
bit more ism said his friends. Do you
know what the ism is in bedism? I think
it is
what she will try and say is a modern
conservatism.
So, not the softy stuff. I think we'll
hear from her things like we've had
enough of foreign courts telling us who
we can deport. We've had enough of
greenies telling us that we have to put
extra cash on energy bills to pay for
wind turbines. We've had enough of
government telling us what we can do and
how to run a business. So, I think that
is the line that we'll sort of hear. So
that takes us to some issues like drill,
baby drill, doesn't it? Because I mean
there's a issue that all of our
listeners in the oil and gas industry
would really understand a big fight
about whether we should give new
licenses for new exploration
>> versus allowing continuing sites to be
continually explored which is a
different sort of license and I think
there's also policy sort of emerging
policy gap emerging there isn't there
>> I think that's absolutely right there is
because you know labor came into
government saying ah everyone will have
clean energy by 2035. It'll all be
marvelous. Now they are sort of say,
"Oh, well, we have to kind of keep oil
and gas for a while and it'll still be
part of the mix for a long time." And oh
dear, let's not make lots of people in
Aberdine particularly incredibly unhappy
by going too fast. You know, it's
talking about a fair transition or a
just transition to green energies. But
Kemmy Badnock is be really trying to
insert the tries into this debate um by
saying she'd get rid of the climate
change act, getting rid of the net zero
target of net zero in the UK by 2050.
That's made Theresa May very very
unhappy because she brought that in as
prime minister. And you know Kevin Bait
not did vote for it at the time. So
she's trying to put herself into that.
>> Well, that is that is an ism. I think
there am I saying in a cynical way,
where's the ism?
>> Well, I think there is an ism.
>> That is an ism, isn't it? which I think
she would say modern conservatism. So
not not your Cameroonianism.
>> Yeah.
>> Not mayism. I think I mean I think when
you talk to her and her her people and
people who back her I think what they
say is look she is trying to carve out a
sort of conservatism for the 2020s that
is culturally conservative. You know,
don't forget one of the reasons people
respect her in the conservative movement
and beyond is because she spoke out in
favor of single sex spaces for women
when that was politically quite a lonely
thing to do. Um, she talked about some
cultures being less valid than others,
which is now uh since she first said it,
I think that's the kind of language that
more politicians might be comfortable
using. So, she was admired for the sort
of plain speaking. So maybe a sort of
plainspeaking
light touch authentic conservatism. I
think we will hear the word authentic
conservatism. Of course to most
newscasters and most like normal
ordinary people unlike a shadow like me.
I mean authentic conservatism. What does
what does that mean? Does that mean like
it really is an antique Chesterfield? Uh
what is that? What what does that mean?
However, I you can see that they are
trying to develop a brand and an
ideology. And I don't mean that
cynically. You know, genuinely here is a
sort of body of thinking, an identity
for the party now.
But the questions about her political
ability to pull it off, the questions
about whether they've left it far too
late because she decided deliberately to
stand back and work through her plans
properly. Those are going to hang over
this conference very, very heavily
indeed.
>> Okay. And I'm not just being a mean old
hack to say it's very common in
conservative circles. You hear people
talking very very freely about the fact
not the fact the conjecture that Kem Bay
may well not be the Tory leader by the
time they gather again for their
conference next year. And beyond that,
you know, senior Tory was saying to me
this morning, it's, you know, it's
perfectly possible to imagine a scenario
where the party kind of falls over and
then doesn't really exist anymore.
>> Ben, you did also say that this is a
moment and she could grasp the moment
and that's why we are going to be
covering the conference. You'll be
interviewing Kobe B. A couple of quick
details. one, November the 2nd is
important in a leadership uh vote this
side of the new year, I understand. And
then there's a karaoke story with which
we need to go out, otherwise the editor
will sack us because the karaoke story
is one of Tim Shipman's many scoops. So
for those people who've never been lucky
enough to come to a political party
conference, uh karaoke is one of the
fine traditions of uh one of the
companies that comes regularly to
conferences and plays host to lots of
the exciting social events around the
conference fringe. And on the last night
of party conference, they put on a
karaoke party at which all sorts of
grizzly performances and events take
place. at which I was once accused of
having danced with Michael Gove, which
was a total fabrication, and then ended
up, however, in Her Majesty's Press,
which was totally untrue, and I was
never stupid enough to sing at a karaoke
party at any of these kinds of events,
although I know many people who did.
>> Ah, I was wondering if you were going to
say Her Majesty's Prisons then, but if
the singing was that
>> Oh, no. That was at the end of the
party.
>> Right. So she said when asked that her
track would not be Gloria Gainer I will
survive because she has more
self-confidence and it's a great scoop
from Tim Shipman. Although I always
thought I will survive is about
self-confidence but then what would I
know? It's a long time ago now. Glory
gain is I will survive.
>> Well it is but it's a great song isn't
it? It's a cracking. I mean I see what
Tim was trying to do there. He said
trying to get a line to say the cadet to
say yes I'll survive and then you have a
headline thanks very much but didn't
quite go there. It reminds me of when we
tal the weekend, you remember we talked
to Paul McCartney and we had Rachel
Reeves and Kemmy Bnock on at the
beginning of the program and I asked
them both what their favorite Beatles
song was.
>> Yes. I mean, you say we, it was you
both.
>> It was me. Sorry. Yeah, it was me. And
then and then Rachel Reeves said, "Oh,
actually I'm a Beyonce fan. I'm not
really into the Beatles." But then did
Name One, I think, or I think she said,
"Hey, Jude." And then Kevin Bagnot did
this big dramatic pause and just said
yellow submarine
which then lots of people went oh but
that's a Ringo Star song or George
Harrison song. Sorry it was George
Harrison wrote it, wasn't it? But then
lots of people got in touch said well
Maka didn't even write that one. So uh I
wasn't that surprised that she didn't
come forward with the karaoke fave. But
maybe we should ask her again tomorrow.
>> Well it's all down to what happens on
the live TV sofa with you. Um well I
think we've got
>> and in the radio studio with you. What
are you doing tomorrow? Well, as I've
said, we will speak to British Israeli
hostage family member Chiron Liv Shitz.
Also joining us is Lord Kinnick to
reflect on current Labor woes. And we'll
talk about reinventing George Smiley in
the new era.
>> Ah, are the malefluous Welsh tones of
Lord Kinn?
>> Yes. And who have you got besides the
Conservative Party leader?
>> Uh, we will be joined back to our first
story that we were discussing. We'll be
joined here in Manchester by the Home
Secretary Shabbana Mammud. So
Shabbanamood and Kelly Bade not both
with us tomorrow.
>> Please join Laura or and or join me by
all the electronic means you prefer and
we'll see you here on or hope you'll see
us to join us here for newscast on
Sunday tomorrow. Thanks very much and
goodbye.
>> Thanks very much. Although that's just
has made me wonder. I wonder if there
are any newscasters who actually watch
the telly and listen to you at the same
time. Be quite a weird experiment. They
could have your voice, which let's face
it, is much nicer, easier on the ears
than mine, and then me wanging on the
telly with the sound down. Or maybe vice
versa.
>> Oh, yeah. And the other option, which we
haven't discussed, is turning turning
turning them both off. So, look, we're
definitely at the end, Laura. Thank you
very much. And goodbye.
>> Goodbye.
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