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We have no answers to the very many 00:00
challenging 00:02
panel. 00:07
>> Where should we house asylum seekers? 00:08
>> Right. Well, the government plan to 00:12
house asylum seekers in two military 00:15
sites. That's the new plan. One in 00:17
Invenesse and one in East Sussex. 00:19
Lisa. Um well I come from a town where 00:23
we were some of the earliest um places 00:26
to get asylum hotels under the last 00:30
government and it has been an absolute 00:32
disaster. We've had um people very 00:35
vulnerable people in our town who've 00:38
been put there with no notice to the 00:40
local community to the police to the 00:43
members of parliament to the council. Um 00:45
we've had farright racists outside 00:48
protesting. We've had a media circus 00:51
come to town when people are trying to 00:54
go about their daily lives. Um, and 00:55
we've had people being locked into their 00:58
hotel rooms and confined to their rooms 01:01
for many, many hours at a time. Uh, and 01:02
left there for a really long time with 01:05
no real hope of getting a decision on 01:08
their asylum claim and either being able 01:10
to move on with their lives, work, 01:11
contribute to the UK, or um, being 01:13
removed from the UK if they've got no 01:16
right to be here. So, I think 01:18
>> So, what makes you think it's going to 01:19
be any different with these barracks? I 01:20
mean, a Labour was very critical about 01:22
the conservatives when they put people 01:24
in in army barracks and the barracks in 01:25
in Venice, for example, it's right in 01:27
the middle of the city. 01:28
>> Well, it how is that different from 01:29
being a hotel in the middle of 01:31
>> the point that I was trying to make was 01:33
that um first of all, we need to learn 01:34
from the mess and the chaos that has 01:36
been created. And the biggest lesson of 01:38
all to take from that is why did we have 01:41
an explosion in the number of asylum 01:43
hotels in the country? Why did we have 01:45
all this strife and division in 01:48
communities? It's because the last 01:49
government effectively gave up on 01:51
processing asylum claims. So, 01:52
so you've got people languishing for 01:57
years who could contribute to our 01:59
country and you've got all this chaos 02:00
going on in communities. The single 02:02
biggest thing that we've done that will 02:04
make a difference to that is to process 02:05
asylum claims. Again, we've doubled the 02:08
rate at which those decisions are being 02:10
made. Um and uh to bring some coherence 02:12
to that system where we were spending 02:16
millions of pounds a day on asylum 02:18
hotels at the height of the last 02:21
government. 02:22
>> You're spending millions of pounds on 02:23
these barracks. 02:25
>> No, instead you you utilize government 02:25
buildings. You make sure that you can 02:27
house people decently and treat people 02:29
with decency because we're a warm decent 02:31
country. Uh you process those claims 02:34
quickly and then those people who can 02:36
stay and contribute get the chance to do 02:38
so and those people who can't are 02:40
returned. It seems to me we just need to 02:42
bring a bit of common sense back to what 02:44
has been one hell of a mess over the 02:46
last 15 years. 02:48
>> Now, 02:49
well, 02:52
it's always interesting listening to a 02:54
Labour politician talk about common 02:56
sense because that is the opposite of 02:57
what is happening in this country right 02:59
now. Everybody uh who's looking at the 03:01
absolute shambles of the borders, 03:04
everybody in this country is paying 15 03:06
billion pounds to accommodate people who 03:08
are often breaking our laws. These 03:12
islands are known for having a sense of 03:14
fairness. We created the idea of fair 03:16
play. That is not what is happening in 03:19
this country. We have governments, both 03:21
Tory and Labor, which are incentivizing 03:23
people to break our laws, enter our 03:26
country illegally. And to be frank, 03:29
putting women, children, uh, our people 03:31
at risk. That's what we've seen for much 03:35
of the last week from Wul. Rian White, 03:37
the young mother stabbed in the head 20 03:40
times by an illegal migrant from Sudan. 03:43
That's what we've seen in places like 03:46
Oxbridge. That's what we've seen in 03:48
places like Bournemouth. This is a 03:50
complete shambles. We need to put the 03:51
British people first. Take control of 03:53
our borders. Leave the European 03:55
Convention on Human Rights. repeal Tony 03:57
Blair's Human Rights Act and detain and 03:59
deport anybody who arrives illegally. 04:02
The 04:07
>> man here at the front in the gray shirt. 04:07
>> So, the government clearly needs to get 04:10
a better handle on illegal migration, 04:11
but people who've arrived in small boats 04:13
so far this year is 37,000. There are 04:15
over 4 million kids in child poverty in 04:18
the UK, and there are four and a half 04:20
million people who can't get a dentist 04:21
appointment. We spend 90% of the 04:22
political capital and discourse and 04:25
media focus discussing 37,000 people. 04:26
How much more could we achieve if we put 04:29
that effort into four and a half million 04:31
>> here in the checks? 04:36
>> By far right does the lady I don't mean 04:39
to attack you or anything. Do you mean 04:41
the general public? That's my main main 04:43
concern because you are labeling 04:46
ordinary old ladies, old gentlemen, 04:49
everybody as far right. It it's it's 04:53
trying to villainize people who are 04:57
quite frankly terrified. 05:00
>> Yeah. 05:01
>> You've got hotels, 05:02
all you can eat buffets. It does not 05:04
matter. I'm not attacking. Everybody 05:06
deserves a roof and to eat. And that is 05:08
a British citizen. That is that's as a 05:11
Yorkshire bloke. Yeah. We look after 05:14
each other. 05:16
>> Yeah. 05:17
>> As neighbors, everything. And we do. 05:18
We've welcomed and uh we've welcomed 05:20
everybody into this country and it's 05:23
it's made Britain great. 05:25
>> But when you you are villainizing these 05:27
words by saying that we are far right 05:29
and things and coming from Labor, I grew 05:32
up very much Labor. 05:34
>> Yeah. 05:36
>> And I'm struggling to support Labor 05:37
anymore. 05:40
>> All right. Well, let's let her answer. 05:40
very 05:42
no at all. And you make an important 05:43
point because there's an important 05:45
distinction here by faright people um 05:47
protesting about those asylum hotels. 05:51
You know who I meant? I meant the people 05:53
who traveled to our town with swastika 05:55
banners and stood outside the hotels 05:57
creating such havoc that in the end the 06:00
only threat that the police assessed 06:03
that there was in the town was the 06:05
threat from those people to the hotel 06:07
staff and the asylum seekers. That's 06:09
what I meant. Um, I don't mean people 06:11
who live in my town, including me. I 06:14
bring my family up there. This is my 06:17
town. This is my family, my friends, my 06:18
community, who were absolutely incensed 06:21
by the chaos that we were seeing around 06:24
us. And the fact that the company who 06:26
placed those asylum seekers in the hotel 06:29
did so with no regard to their safety 06:32
and no respect for the community that 06:34
they're placing them in either. I think 06:36
that's disgraceful. That's why we're 06:38
taking an action to close those hotels 06:39
and find a much more suitable solution. 06:42
>> I mean, there are people in Invenesse 06:44
saying Labour's not giving them any 06:45
respect either because they don't want 06:46
people in those barracks. But I'm just 06:47
pointing that out. Yes. F. 06:48
>> Yeah. I mean, I just want to I guess 06:50
there's no doubt that there is absolute 06:53
chaos in what our asylum seek system 06:55
looks like right now. I mean, whether 06:58
you look at how slow it's been to 07:00
process the applications or where people 07:02
are living and what's happened in some 07:04
of those communities. But I really want 07:06
to pull you up, Matt, on this point 07:08
about saying they're often breaking 07:10
laws. There are, of course, some people 07:12
that are doing things that are 07:15
deplorable and wrong and they need to be 07:17
deported and put in jail and the rest of 07:19
it. But those are the minority. And I 07:20
really want to highlight this because I 07:24
at Christmas was invited by this refugee 07:26
charity local to me in East London and 07:28
was asked to um judge a competition that 07:30
children were doing. And honestly, these 07:32
families, some of them had come through 07:35
irregular routes. They want the same 07:36
things as us. They want the same things 07:38
as us. They want their kids to do well 07:40
in school. They're coming from places 07:42
like Iraq and Afghanistan which most of 07:44
us here have memories long enough to 07:48
understand that we have a role and why 07:49
those countries are in a bad way from 07:52
Sudan where there's absolute atrocious 07:54
things happening on the ground and we 07:57
don't talk enough about and UAE is one 07:59
of the countries involved there and we 08:01
sell them arms. So again, this has 08:02
something to do with us. 08:04
And we should absolutely 08:07
just push away this idea that somehow we 08:10
should be scared of all asylum seekers 08:12
because many of them are just normal 08:15
people trying to escape very horrible 08:17
difficult situations and just build a 08:19
good life and everything. 08:21
>> Just briefly 08:22
there's there's a group of people that 08:27
really haven't been mentioned so far 08:29
which is the British people. When did it 08:30
become acceptable to impose an extreme 08:33
policy of open borders, unvetted, 08:36
unvetted illegal migrants coming into 08:39
the country? Nearly 200,000 on the 08:41
current trends. By the next general 08:44
election, on the current trends, we will 08:46
have another 181,000 illegal migrants 08:48
coming into this country over the next 08:52
few years. You say they don't commit 08:54
crime, violence, etc. What do you say? 08:57
What do you say to the family of Rian 09:00
White, the young mother who was murdered 09:02
by a man from Sudan? What do you say to 09:03
the family of the 8-year-old in 09:06
Lambbeath who was raped by an asylum 09:07
seeker? Or the 12-year-old in Unaten who 09:09
was raped by an asylum seeker or the 09:11
10-year-old in But this is a narrative 09:13
that we have. And if we talk about it, 09:16
we're far right. If we talk about it, 09:18
we're racist. And by the way, Lisa, your 09:20
your leader, Kia Starmer, just stood at 09:22
Labour Party conference and said, "If 09:24
you are voting for the Reform Party, if 09:26
you want to change this country, you're 09:29
far right. You're Nazi. You're fascist. 09:30
It's abs." No, that's what he said. 09:33
>> Sorry. Well, okay. Well, you you've said 09:34
what you think. Now, let me tell you 09:36
what actually happened. See, the thing 09:37
is, Matt, that I grew up in Manchester 09:39
in the 1980s. My dad came to this 09:41
country from India and we were and 09:44
remain a proud diverse city that has 09:47
been strengthened by waves of 09:49
immigration and and I just say to you 09:51
I've seen this playbook before. I agree 09:55
absolutely with FISA that the cases that 09:58
you mentioned are absolutely appalling, 10:00
horrific, disgraceful and that's why one 10:03
in one of the cases that you meant there 10:06
isn't a live court case police 10:07
investigation at the moment. We took 10:09
swift action and we removed the guy from 10:11
the country. But let me just say this to 10:13
you. I've seen this before. When I was 10:15
growing up in Manchester, my dad used to 10:17
debate with Enoch Powell. And we heard 10:19
the way in which people tried to tar 10:22
every single person who didn't look like 10:26
them or sound like them or come from the 10:29
same place with them as somehow a 10:31
threat. What you're doing is trying to 10:33
create fear and distrust and division 10:35
because that's the only way that you and 10:38
your friends can thrive. We have no 10:41
answers to the very many challenges. 10:43
Wait one second. 10:53
>> If you talk at the same time, no one can 10:54
hear anything. Plus, I want to make sure 10:56
other people speak as well. So, very 10:59
briefly, I appreciate the passion you're 11:00
speaking with. Finish your point and 11:02
then very briefly respond. 11:04
It's the only playbook you've got 11:06
because you've got no real answers to 11:07
the challenges this country fa faces 11:09
including that list you just read out. 11:11
Um the question would be how are you 11:14
going to do any of those things? You 11:16
don't know. You've never answered the 11:18
question and so you create fear and 11:19
distrust and chaos because that is the 11:21
only way you can gain support. 11:23
We used to be a country that respected 11:30
people who played by the rules. And 11:32
those people in Manchester played by the 11:34
rules. It's not about race. It's not 11:37
about ethnicity. What's happening now is 11:38
we have governments that are 11:41
incentivizing people to break the rule 11:42
of law to violate our sense of fairness. 11:45
And you are the people who are paying 11:48
for that. 15 billion. Let's hear from 11:49
some of them is how much you're paying. 11:51
There's lots of hands up and I want to 11:52
hear from some of them. So, man in the 11:53
gray sweatshirt there. Yes. 11:55
Matt, you talked about narrative and 11:57
mentioned the families of victims of 11:59
some horrific crimes, but a few weeks 12:02
ago in our country, a seek woman was 12:04
raped on her way to work by two white 12:06
men who told her to go back to her 12:07
country. What would you say to the 12:09
victim of that family and the motivation 12:12
behind that attack? Do British people 12:14
do white British people not also commit 12:21
these violent crimes? and is your 12:24
narrative not that these crimes are only 12:26
committed by asylum seeks and refugees. 12:28
>> Okay. 12:30
>> I'm 12:30
>> very briefly 12:31
>> I'm interested in evidence the freedom 12:32
of information requests that have been 12:34
submitted because the government won't 12:35
give you this data. 12:37
>> You're not actually answering his 12:38
question. What would you say 12:39
this information but they won't give you 12:42
the information about what's going on in 12:44
the country? The freedom of information 12:46
request show. 12:48
>> Matt, you're not answering his question. 12:49
>> I am. If you let me speak for you, 12:50
>> the freedom of information request show 12:53
>> the family of the sick woman who was 12:55
raped by two men who died. Exactly the 12:56
same thing that I would say to the 12:59
families of the grooming gang victims. 13:00
It's horrific and they deserve justice. 13:02
>> So why why didn't you bring it up when 13:04
you brought up all the victims of crimes 13:06
by asylum seekers? 13:08
>> I'm going to take it away 13:09
>> about narrative and that is your 13:12
narrative. 13:13
>> I hear your point, Harro. You've been 13:15
sitting here very quietly 13:16
>> and probably quietly is quite a good 13:18
word because one of the reasons why the 13:20
issue of immigration in the country, 13:24
asylum hotels in the country has become 13:27
so toxic is because people do not 13:29
listen. They do not recognize that this 13:33
is an really difficult vital but 13:35
difficult area which governments have to 13:38
solve. But because there is so much heat 13:41
in the argument, because there's so much 13:43
point scoring in the argument, it's so 13:45
difficult for anyone to get out of the 13:47
position that they've got themselves 13:49
into. Yes. 13:50
>> And do you think the Conservatives are 13:51
not point scoring on this argument at 13:52
the moment? 13:54
>> I think that we have actually in the 13:54
last 14 months, we have looked at what 13:56
we did, look at what can be done, and 13:59
come up with better solutions as to what 14:02
can be done in the future. And yes, 14:03
>> i.e. i.e. they were bad solutions while 14:05
you're in power. 14:08
>> No, not necessarily. I don't think that 14:08
at all. We were dealing we were dealing 14:10
with a situation that was evolving. We 14:12
were dealing with a situation where for 14:14
example we suggested using barracks. 14:16
Labour didn't um support that. They do 14:18
now because they've realized the reality 14:20
of being in government. Reform will 14:22
realize the reality if they were to come 14:24
to government as well. But this is much 14:25
harder than just a headline. Much harder 14:27
than just trying to set a solution that 14:29
will um get a bit of reaction from the 14:31
public. And we cannot do this by point 14:34
scoring. You cannot do this by pitching 14:36
one against the other because it has to 14:37
be a solution where communities feel 14:39
like they're being listened to, the 14:42
British public feel like they're being 14:43
listened to, that health care and 14:44
services which are there to support the 14:46
British public, but are also going to be 14:48
used by those using the migrant hotels 14:50
are being used and actually able to 14:52
support those who need them with British 14:53
people at the front of the queue because 14:55
that's what is needed to 14:57
>> and do you think that the conservative 14:58
government shares any of the 15:00
responsibility for the fact there are 15:01
that we are in the situation we're in 15:02
now? Immigration in the last few years 15:03
exploded around the world. Absolutely. 15:06
And yes, I'm asking about the 15:07
conservative and yes, we were not immune 15:08
to that. We absolutely were not immune 15:10
to that. We recognize that completely. 15:12
We did see immigration increase while 15:14
we're in government. We've seen it 15:15
increase again this year. Small vote 15:17
arrivals are already higher this year 15:18
than they have been in the previous um 15:20
year as well. This is not a one 15:21
government issue. This is not a one or 15:23
twoyear issue, but it is an issue that 15:26
we do need to solve. 15:28

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We have no answers to the very many
challenging
panel.
>> Where should we house asylum seekers?
>> Right. Well, the government plan to
house asylum seekers in two military
sites. That's the new plan. One in
Invenesse and one in East Sussex.
Lisa. Um well I come from a town where
we were some of the earliest um places
to get asylum hotels under the last
government and it has been an absolute
disaster. We've had um people very
vulnerable people in our town who've
been put there with no notice to the
local community to the police to the
members of parliament to the council. Um
we've had farright racists outside
protesting. We've had a media circus
come to town when people are trying to
go about their daily lives. Um, and
we've had people being locked into their
hotel rooms and confined to their rooms
for many, many hours at a time. Uh, and
left there for a really long time with
no real hope of getting a decision on
their asylum claim and either being able
to move on with their lives, work,
contribute to the UK, or um, being
removed from the UK if they've got no
right to be here. So, I think
>> So, what makes you think it's going to
be any different with these barracks? I
mean, a Labour was very critical about
the conservatives when they put people
in in army barracks and the barracks in
in Venice, for example, it's right in
the middle of the city.
>> Well, it how is that different from
being a hotel in the middle of
>> the point that I was trying to make was
that um first of all, we need to learn
from the mess and the chaos that has
been created. And the biggest lesson of
all to take from that is why did we have
an explosion in the number of asylum
hotels in the country? Why did we have
all this strife and division in
communities? It's because the last
government effectively gave up on
processing asylum claims. So,
so you've got people languishing for
years who could contribute to our
country and you've got all this chaos
going on in communities. The single
biggest thing that we've done that will
make a difference to that is to process
asylum claims. Again, we've doubled the
rate at which those decisions are being
made. Um and uh to bring some coherence
to that system where we were spending
millions of pounds a day on asylum
hotels at the height of the last
government.
>> You're spending millions of pounds on
these barracks.
>> No, instead you you utilize government
buildings. You make sure that you can
house people decently and treat people
with decency because we're a warm decent
country. Uh you process those claims
quickly and then those people who can
stay and contribute get the chance to do
so and those people who can't are
returned. It seems to me we just need to
bring a bit of common sense back to what
has been one hell of a mess over the
last 15 years.
>> Now,
well,
it's always interesting listening to a
Labour politician talk about common
sense because that is the opposite of
what is happening in this country right
now. Everybody uh who's looking at the
absolute shambles of the borders,
everybody in this country is paying 15
billion pounds to accommodate people who
are often breaking our laws. These
islands are known for having a sense of
fairness. We created the idea of fair
play. That is not what is happening in
this country. We have governments, both
Tory and Labor, which are incentivizing
people to break our laws, enter our
country illegally. And to be frank,
putting women, children, uh, our people
at risk. That's what we've seen for much
of the last week from Wul. Rian White,
the young mother stabbed in the head 20
times by an illegal migrant from Sudan.
That's what we've seen in places like
Oxbridge. That's what we've seen in
places like Bournemouth. This is a
complete shambles. We need to put the
British people first. Take control of
our borders. Leave the European
Convention on Human Rights. repeal Tony
Blair's Human Rights Act and detain and
deport anybody who arrives illegally.
The
>> man here at the front in the gray shirt.
>> So, the government clearly needs to get
a better handle on illegal migration,
but people who've arrived in small boats
so far this year is 37,000. There are
over 4 million kids in child poverty in
the UK, and there are four and a half
million people who can't get a dentist
appointment. We spend 90% of the
political capital and discourse and
media focus discussing 37,000 people.
How much more could we achieve if we put
that effort into four and a half million
>> here in the checks?
>> By far right does the lady I don't mean
to attack you or anything. Do you mean
the general public? That's my main main
concern because you are labeling
ordinary old ladies, old gentlemen,
everybody as far right. It it's it's
trying to villainize people who are
quite frankly terrified.
>> Yeah.
>> You've got hotels,
all you can eat buffets. It does not
matter. I'm not attacking. Everybody
deserves a roof and to eat. And that is
a British citizen. That is that's as a
Yorkshire bloke. Yeah. We look after
each other.
>> Yeah.
>> As neighbors, everything. And we do.
We've welcomed and uh we've welcomed
everybody into this country and it's
it's made Britain great.
>> But when you you are villainizing these
words by saying that we are far right
and things and coming from Labor, I grew
up very much Labor.
>> Yeah.
>> And I'm struggling to support Labor
anymore.
>> All right. Well, let's let her answer.
very
no at all. And you make an important
point because there's an important
distinction here by faright people um
protesting about those asylum hotels.
You know who I meant? I meant the people
who traveled to our town with swastika
banners and stood outside the hotels
creating such havoc that in the end the
only threat that the police assessed
that there was in the town was the
threat from those people to the hotel
staff and the asylum seekers. That's
what I meant. Um, I don't mean people
who live in my town, including me. I
bring my family up there. This is my
town. This is my family, my friends, my
community, who were absolutely incensed
by the chaos that we were seeing around
us. And the fact that the company who
placed those asylum seekers in the hotel
did so with no regard to their safety
and no respect for the community that
they're placing them in either. I think
that's disgraceful. That's why we're
taking an action to close those hotels
and find a much more suitable solution.
>> I mean, there are people in Invenesse
saying Labour's not giving them any
respect either because they don't want
people in those barracks. But I'm just
pointing that out. Yes. F.
>> Yeah. I mean, I just want to I guess
there's no doubt that there is absolute
chaos in what our asylum seek system
looks like right now. I mean, whether
you look at how slow it's been to
process the applications or where people
are living and what's happened in some
of those communities. But I really want
to pull you up, Matt, on this point
about saying they're often breaking
laws. There are, of course, some people
that are doing things that are
deplorable and wrong and they need to be
deported and put in jail and the rest of
it. But those are the minority. And I
really want to highlight this because I
at Christmas was invited by this refugee
charity local to me in East London and
was asked to um judge a competition that
children were doing. And honestly, these
families, some of them had come through
irregular routes. They want the same
things as us. They want the same things
as us. They want their kids to do well
in school. They're coming from places
like Iraq and Afghanistan which most of
us here have memories long enough to
understand that we have a role and why
those countries are in a bad way from
Sudan where there's absolute atrocious
things happening on the ground and we
don't talk enough about and UAE is one
of the countries involved there and we
sell them arms. So again, this has
something to do with us.
And we should absolutely
just push away this idea that somehow we
should be scared of all asylum seekers
because many of them are just normal
people trying to escape very horrible
difficult situations and just build a
good life and everything.
>> Just briefly
there's there's a group of people that
really haven't been mentioned so far
which is the British people. When did it
become acceptable to impose an extreme
policy of open borders, unvetted,
unvetted illegal migrants coming into
the country? Nearly 200,000 on the
current trends. By the next general
election, on the current trends, we will
have another 181,000 illegal migrants
coming into this country over the next
few years. You say they don't commit
crime, violence, etc. What do you say?
What do you say to the family of Rian
White, the young mother who was murdered
by a man from Sudan? What do you say to
the family of the 8-year-old in
Lambbeath who was raped by an asylum
seeker? Or the 12-year-old in Unaten who
was raped by an asylum seeker or the
10-year-old in But this is a narrative
that we have. And if we talk about it,
we're far right. If we talk about it,
we're racist. And by the way, Lisa, your
your leader, Kia Starmer, just stood at
Labour Party conference and said, "If
you are voting for the Reform Party, if
you want to change this country, you're
far right. You're Nazi. You're fascist.
It's abs." No, that's what he said.
>> Sorry. Well, okay. Well, you you've said
what you think. Now, let me tell you
what actually happened. See, the thing
is, Matt, that I grew up in Manchester
in the 1980s. My dad came to this
country from India and we were and
remain a proud diverse city that has
been strengthened by waves of
immigration and and I just say to you
I've seen this playbook before. I agree
absolutely with FISA that the cases that
you mentioned are absolutely appalling,
horrific, disgraceful and that's why one
in one of the cases that you meant there
isn't a live court case police
investigation at the moment. We took
swift action and we removed the guy from
the country. But let me just say this to
you. I've seen this before. When I was
growing up in Manchester, my dad used to
debate with Enoch Powell. And we heard
the way in which people tried to tar
every single person who didn't look like
them or sound like them or come from the
same place with them as somehow a
threat. What you're doing is trying to
create fear and distrust and division
because that's the only way that you and
your friends can thrive. We have no
answers to the very many challenges.
Wait one second.
>> If you talk at the same time, no one can
hear anything. Plus, I want to make sure
other people speak as well. So, very
briefly, I appreciate the passion you're
speaking with. Finish your point and
then very briefly respond.
It's the only playbook you've got
because you've got no real answers to
the challenges this country fa faces
including that list you just read out.
Um the question would be how are you
going to do any of those things? You
don't know. You've never answered the
question and so you create fear and
distrust and chaos because that is the
only way you can gain support.
We used to be a country that respected
people who played by the rules. And
those people in Manchester played by the
rules. It's not about race. It's not
about ethnicity. What's happening now is
we have governments that are
incentivizing people to break the rule
of law to violate our sense of fairness.
And you are the people who are paying
for that. 15 billion. Let's hear from
some of them is how much you're paying.
There's lots of hands up and I want to
hear from some of them. So, man in the
gray sweatshirt there. Yes.
Matt, you talked about narrative and
mentioned the families of victims of
some horrific crimes, but a few weeks
ago in our country, a seek woman was
raped on her way to work by two white
men who told her to go back to her
country. What would you say to the
victim of that family and the motivation
behind that attack? Do British people
do white British people not also commit
these violent crimes? and is your
narrative not that these crimes are only
committed by asylum seeks and refugees.
>> Okay.
>> I'm
>> very briefly
>> I'm interested in evidence the freedom
of information requests that have been
submitted because the government won't
give you this data.
>> You're not actually answering his
question. What would you say
this information but they won't give you
the information about what's going on in
the country? The freedom of information
request show.
>> Matt, you're not answering his question.
>> I am. If you let me speak for you,
>> the freedom of information request show
>> the family of the sick woman who was
raped by two men who died. Exactly the
same thing that I would say to the
families of the grooming gang victims.
It's horrific and they deserve justice.
>> So why why didn't you bring it up when
you brought up all the victims of crimes
by asylum seekers?
>> I'm going to take it away
>> about narrative and that is your
narrative.
>> I hear your point, Harro. You've been
sitting here very quietly
>> and probably quietly is quite a good
word because one of the reasons why the
issue of immigration in the country,
asylum hotels in the country has become
so toxic is because people do not
listen. They do not recognize that this
is an really difficult vital but
difficult area which governments have to
solve. But because there is so much heat
in the argument, because there's so much
point scoring in the argument, it's so
difficult for anyone to get out of the
position that they've got themselves
into. Yes.
>> And do you think the Conservatives are
not point scoring on this argument at
the moment?
>> I think that we have actually in the
last 14 months, we have looked at what
we did, look at what can be done, and
come up with better solutions as to what
can be done in the future. And yes,
>> i.e. i.e. they were bad solutions while
you're in power.
>> No, not necessarily. I don't think that
at all. We were dealing we were dealing
with a situation that was evolving. We
were dealing with a situation where for
example we suggested using barracks.
Labour didn't um support that. They do
now because they've realized the reality
of being in government. Reform will
realize the reality if they were to come
to government as well. But this is much
harder than just a headline. Much harder
than just trying to set a solution that
will um get a bit of reaction from the
public. And we cannot do this by point
scoring. You cannot do this by pitching
one against the other because it has to
be a solution where communities feel
like they're being listened to, the
British public feel like they're being
listened to, that health care and
services which are there to support the
British public, but are also going to be
used by those using the migrant hotels
are being used and actually able to
support those who need them with British
people at the front of the queue because
that's what is needed to
>> and do you think that the conservative
government shares any of the
responsibility for the fact there are
that we are in the situation we're in
now? Immigration in the last few years
exploded around the world. Absolutely.
And yes, I'm asking about the
conservative and yes, we were not immune
to that. We absolutely were not immune
to that. We recognize that completely.
We did see immigration increase while
we're in government. We've seen it
increase again this year. Small vote
arrivals are already higher this year
than they have been in the previous um
year as well. This is not a one
government issue. This is not a one or
twoyear issue, but it is an issue that
we do need to solve.

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asylum

/ˈæsɪləm/

B2
  • noun
  • - protection granted to refugees or political dissidents

migrant

/ˈmaɪɡrənt/

B2
  • noun
  • - a person who moves from one place to another, especially to find work

refugee

/ˈrɛfjʊdʒi/

B2
  • noun
  • - a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or disaster

government

/ˈɡʌvənmənt/

B1
  • noun
  • - the group of people with authority to govern a country or state

policy

/ˈpɒləsi/

B2
  • noun
  • - a course or principle of action adopted or proposed by an organization or individual

border

/ˈbɔːdər/

B1
  • noun
  • - a line separating two political or geographical areas, especially countries

claim

/kleɪm/

B2
  • noun
  • - a demand for something as rightful or due
  • verb
  • - state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence

decision

/dɪˈsɪʒən/

B1
  • noun
  • - a conclusion or resolution reached after consideration

process

/ˈprəʊses/

B2
  • noun
  • - a series of actions or steps taken to achieve an end
  • verb
  • - handle or treat by a series of actions

community

/kəˈmjuːnəti/

B1
  • noun
  • - a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common

chaos

/ˈkeɪɒs/

B2
  • noun
  • - complete disorder and confusion

discrimination

/dɪˌskrɪmɪˈneɪʃən/

C1
  • noun
  • - unfair treatment of a person or group based on prejudice

fear

/fɪə(r)/

B1
  • noun
  • - an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous
  • verb
  • - be afraid of someone or something

rights

/raɪts/

B1
  • noun
  • - legal, social, or ethical entitlements or freedoms

justice

/ˈdʒʌstɪs/

B2
  • noun
  • - the quality of being fair and reasonable; legal process of determining rights

illegal

/ɪˈliːɡəl/

B2
  • adjective
  • - contrary to or forbidden by law

security

/sɪˈkjʊərɪti/

B2
  • noun
  • - the state of being free from danger or threat

protest

/ˈprəʊtɛst/

B1
  • noun
  • - a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something
  • verb
  • - to express an objection to something, especially a public authority

violence

/ˈvaɪəl(ə)ns/

B2
  • noun
  • - behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something

fairness

/ˈfɛənəs/

B2
  • noun
  • - the quality of making judgments that are free from discrimination or bias

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Key Grammar Structures

  • >> Where should we house asylum seekers?

    ➔ Interrogative sentence with modal auxiliary

    ➔ The sentence "Where should we house asylum seekers?" uses "should" as a modal auxiliary to express obligation or advice, with the inversion typical of questions (subject-verb).

  • Lisa. Um well I come from a town where-we were some of the earliest um places-to get asylum hotels under the last government and it has been an absolute disaster.

    ➔ Complex sentence with relative clauses and past perfect

    ➔ The sentence includes a relative clause "where we were..." modifying "town," and uses the past perfect "has been" to describe a completed action's impact on the present.

  • >> So, what makes you think it's going to be any different with these barracks?

    ➔ Second conditional with 'going to' future

    ➔ This is a second conditional question implying hypotheticals, with "what makes you think" as a structural phrase and "it's going to" expressing future in the past.

  • You've had people very vulnerable people in our town who've been put there with no notice to the local community

    ➔ Passive voice and participial clauses

    ➔ The passive "who've been put there" shifts focus from the doer, and the clauses use participial forms like "vulnerable" and "with no notice" as modifiers.

  • We need to bring some coherence to that system where we were spending millions of pounds a day on asylum hotels

    ➔ Gerund as object and relative clause defining system

    ➔ The gerund "spending" functions as an object in "where we were spending," and the "where" clause specifies the context of the "system."

  • Detain and deport anybody who arrives illegally.

    ➔ Imperative mood with relative clause

    ➔ The imperatives "Detain and deport" give a command, modified by the relative clause "who arrives illegally" to specify the subject.

  • This is not what is happening in this country.

    ➔ Cleft sentence emphasizing contrast

    ➔ The cleft structure "This is not what..." divides the sentence to emphasize "not what is happening," highlighting a discrepancy.

  • We've had hotels, all you can eat buffets.

    ➔ Present perfect for past actions with present relevance

    ➔ The present perfect "We've had" indicates experiences continuing to affect the present, listing facilities like "hotels" and "buffets."

  • Those people who can stay and contribute get the chance to do so

    ➔ Conditional relative clause with modal 'can'

    ➔ The relative clause "who can stay" uses "can" to express possibility, leading to the consequence "get the chance to do so."

  • I just say to you I've seen this playbook before.

    ➔ Present perfect for life experiences

    ➔ The present perfect "I've seen" refers to a prior experience relevant now, emphasizing repetition of "this playbook."

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