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We have no answers to the very many
challenging
panel.
>> Where should we house asylum seekers?
>> Right. Well, the government plan to
house asylum seekers in two military
sites. That's the new plan. One in
Invenesse and one in East Sussex.
Lisa. Um well I come from a town where
we were some of the earliest um places
to get asylum hotels under the last
government and it has been an absolute
disaster. We've had um people very
vulnerable people in our town who've
been put there with no notice to the
local community to the police to the
members of parliament to the council. Um
we've had farright racists outside
protesting. We've had a media circus
come to town when people are trying to
go about their daily lives. Um, and
we've had people being locked into their
hotel rooms and confined to their rooms
for many, many hours at a time. Uh, and
left there for a really long time with
no real hope of getting a decision on
their asylum claim and either being able
to move on with their lives, work,
contribute to the UK, or um, being
removed from the UK if they've got no
right to be here. So, I think
>> So, what makes you think it's going to
be any different with these barracks? I
mean, a Labour was very critical about
the conservatives when they put people
in in army barracks and the barracks in
in Venice, for example, it's right in
the middle of the city.
>> Well, it how is that different from
being a hotel in the middle of
>> the point that I was trying to make was
that um first of all, we need to learn
from the mess and the chaos that has
been created. And the biggest lesson of
all to take from that is why did we have
an explosion in the number of asylum
hotels in the country? Why did we have
all this strife and division in
communities? It's because the last
government effectively gave up on
processing asylum claims. So,
so you've got people languishing for
years who could contribute to our
country and you've got all this chaos
going on in communities. The single
biggest thing that we've done that will
make a difference to that is to process
asylum claims. Again, we've doubled the
rate at which those decisions are being
made. Um and uh to bring some coherence
to that system where we were spending
millions of pounds a day on asylum
hotels at the height of the last
government.
>> You're spending millions of pounds on
these barracks.
>> No, instead you you utilize government
buildings. You make sure that you can
house people decently and treat people
with decency because we're a warm decent
country. Uh you process those claims
quickly and then those people who can
stay and contribute get the chance to do
so and those people who can't are
returned. It seems to me we just need to
bring a bit of common sense back to what
has been one hell of a mess over the
last 15 years.
>> Now,
well,
it's always interesting listening to a
Labour politician talk about common
sense because that is the opposite of
what is happening in this country right
now. Everybody uh who's looking at the
absolute shambles of the borders,
everybody in this country is paying 15
billion pounds to accommodate people who
are often breaking our laws. These
islands are known for having a sense of
fairness. We created the idea of fair
play. That is not what is happening in
this country. We have governments, both
Tory and Labor, which are incentivizing
people to break our laws, enter our
country illegally. And to be frank,
putting women, children, uh, our people
at risk. That's what we've seen for much
of the last week from Wul. Rian White,
the young mother stabbed in the head 20
times by an illegal migrant from Sudan.
That's what we've seen in places like
Oxbridge. That's what we've seen in
places like Bournemouth. This is a
complete shambles. We need to put the
British people first. Take control of
our borders. Leave the European
Convention on Human Rights. repeal Tony
Blair's Human Rights Act and detain and
deport anybody who arrives illegally.
The
>> man here at the front in the gray shirt.
>> So, the government clearly needs to get
a better handle on illegal migration,
but people who've arrived in small boats
so far this year is 37,000. There are
over 4 million kids in child poverty in
the UK, and there are four and a half
million people who can't get a dentist
appointment. We spend 90% of the
political capital and discourse and
media focus discussing 37,000 people.
How much more could we achieve if we put
that effort into four and a half million
>> here in the checks?
>> By far right does the lady I don't mean
to attack you or anything. Do you mean
the general public? That's my main main
concern because you are labeling
ordinary old ladies, old gentlemen,
everybody as far right. It it's it's
trying to villainize people who are
quite frankly terrified.
>> Yeah.
>> You've got hotels,
all you can eat buffets. It does not
matter. I'm not attacking. Everybody
deserves a roof and to eat. And that is
a British citizen. That is that's as a
Yorkshire bloke. Yeah. We look after
each other.
>> Yeah.
>> As neighbors, everything. And we do.
We've welcomed and uh we've welcomed
everybody into this country and it's
it's made Britain great.
>> But when you you are villainizing these
words by saying that we are far right
and things and coming from Labor, I grew
up very much Labor.
>> Yeah.
>> And I'm struggling to support Labor
anymore.
>> All right. Well, let's let her answer.
very
no at all. And you make an important
point because there's an important
distinction here by faright people um
protesting about those asylum hotels.
You know who I meant? I meant the people
who traveled to our town with swastika
banners and stood outside the hotels
creating such havoc that in the end the
only threat that the police assessed
that there was in the town was the
threat from those people to the hotel
staff and the asylum seekers. That's
what I meant. Um, I don't mean people
who live in my town, including me. I
bring my family up there. This is my
town. This is my family, my friends, my
community, who were absolutely incensed
by the chaos that we were seeing around
us. And the fact that the company who
placed those asylum seekers in the hotel
did so with no regard to their safety
and no respect for the community that
they're placing them in either. I think
that's disgraceful. That's why we're
taking an action to close those hotels
and find a much more suitable solution.
>> I mean, there are people in Invenesse
saying Labour's not giving them any
respect either because they don't want
people in those barracks. But I'm just
pointing that out. Yes. F.
>> Yeah. I mean, I just want to I guess
there's no doubt that there is absolute
chaos in what our asylum seek system
looks like right now. I mean, whether
you look at how slow it's been to
process the applications or where people
are living and what's happened in some
of those communities. But I really want
to pull you up, Matt, on this point
about saying they're often breaking
laws. There are, of course, some people
that are doing things that are
deplorable and wrong and they need to be
deported and put in jail and the rest of
it. But those are the minority. And I
really want to highlight this because I
at Christmas was invited by this refugee
charity local to me in East London and
was asked to um judge a competition that
children were doing. And honestly, these
families, some of them had come through
irregular routes. They want the same
things as us. They want the same things
as us. They want their kids to do well
in school. They're coming from places
like Iraq and Afghanistan which most of
us here have memories long enough to
understand that we have a role and why
those countries are in a bad way from
Sudan where there's absolute atrocious
things happening on the ground and we
don't talk enough about and UAE is one
of the countries involved there and we
sell them arms. So again, this has
something to do with us.
And we should absolutely
just push away this idea that somehow we
should be scared of all asylum seekers
because many of them are just normal
people trying to escape very horrible
difficult situations and just build a
good life and everything.
>> Just briefly
there's there's a group of people that
really haven't been mentioned so far
which is the British people. When did it
become acceptable to impose an extreme
policy of open borders, unvetted,
unvetted illegal migrants coming into
the country? Nearly 200,000 on the
current trends. By the next general
election, on the current trends, we will
have another 181,000 illegal migrants
coming into this country over the next
few years. You say they don't commit
crime, violence, etc. What do you say?
What do you say to the family of Rian
White, the young mother who was murdered
by a man from Sudan? What do you say to
the family of the 8-year-old in
Lambbeath who was raped by an asylum
seeker? Or the 12-year-old in Unaten who
was raped by an asylum seeker or the
10-year-old in But this is a narrative
that we have. And if we talk about it,
we're far right. If we talk about it,
we're racist. And by the way, Lisa, your
your leader, Kia Starmer, just stood at
Labour Party conference and said, "If
you are voting for the Reform Party, if
you want to change this country, you're
far right. You're Nazi. You're fascist.
It's abs." No, that's what he said.
>> Sorry. Well, okay. Well, you you've said
what you think. Now, let me tell you
what actually happened. See, the thing
is, Matt, that I grew up in Manchester
in the 1980s. My dad came to this
country from India and we were and
remain a proud diverse city that has
been strengthened by waves of
immigration and and I just say to you
I've seen this playbook before. I agree
absolutely with FISA that the cases that
you mentioned are absolutely appalling,
horrific, disgraceful and that's why one
in one of the cases that you meant there
isn't a live court case police
investigation at the moment. We took
swift action and we removed the guy from
the country. But let me just say this to
you. I've seen this before. When I was
growing up in Manchester, my dad used to
debate with Enoch Powell. And we heard
the way in which people tried to tar
every single person who didn't look like
them or sound like them or come from the
same place with them as somehow a
threat. What you're doing is trying to
create fear and distrust and division
because that's the only way that you and
your friends can thrive. We have no
answers to the very many challenges.
Wait one second.
>> If you talk at the same time, no one can
hear anything. Plus, I want to make sure
other people speak as well. So, very
briefly, I appreciate the passion you're
speaking with. Finish your point and
then very briefly respond.
It's the only playbook you've got
because you've got no real answers to
the challenges this country fa faces
including that list you just read out.
Um the question would be how are you
going to do any of those things? You
don't know. You've never answered the
question and so you create fear and
distrust and chaos because that is the
only way you can gain support.
We used to be a country that respected
people who played by the rules. And
those people in Manchester played by the
rules. It's not about race. It's not
about ethnicity. What's happening now is
we have governments that are
incentivizing people to break the rule
of law to violate our sense of fairness.
And you are the people who are paying
for that. 15 billion. Let's hear from
some of them is how much you're paying.
There's lots of hands up and I want to
hear from some of them. So, man in the
gray sweatshirt there. Yes.
Matt, you talked about narrative and
mentioned the families of victims of
some horrific crimes, but a few weeks
ago in our country, a seek woman was
raped on her way to work by two white
men who told her to go back to her
country. What would you say to the
victim of that family and the motivation
behind that attack? Do British people
do white British people not also commit
these violent crimes? and is your
narrative not that these crimes are only
committed by asylum seeks and refugees.
>> Okay.
>> I'm
>> very briefly
>> I'm interested in evidence the freedom
of information requests that have been
submitted because the government won't
give you this data.
>> You're not actually answering his
question. What would you say
this information but they won't give you
the information about what's going on in
the country? The freedom of information
request show.
>> Matt, you're not answering his question.
>> I am. If you let me speak for you,
>> the freedom of information request show
>> the family of the sick woman who was
raped by two men who died. Exactly the
same thing that I would say to the
families of the grooming gang victims.
It's horrific and they deserve justice.
>> So why why didn't you bring it up when
you brought up all the victims of crimes
by asylum seekers?
>> I'm going to take it away
>> about narrative and that is your
narrative.
>> I hear your point, Harro. You've been
sitting here very quietly
>> and probably quietly is quite a good
word because one of the reasons why the
issue of immigration in the country,
asylum hotels in the country has become
so toxic is because people do not
listen. They do not recognize that this
is an really difficult vital but
difficult area which governments have to
solve. But because there is so much heat
in the argument, because there's so much
point scoring in the argument, it's so
difficult for anyone to get out of the
position that they've got themselves
into. Yes.
>> And do you think the Conservatives are
not point scoring on this argument at
the moment?
>> I think that we have actually in the
last 14 months, we have looked at what
we did, look at what can be done, and
come up with better solutions as to what
can be done in the future. And yes,
>> i.e. i.e. they were bad solutions while
you're in power.
>> No, not necessarily. I don't think that
at all. We were dealing we were dealing
with a situation that was evolving. We
were dealing with a situation where for
example we suggested using barracks.
Labour didn't um support that. They do
now because they've realized the reality
of being in government. Reform will
realize the reality if they were to come
to government as well. But this is much
harder than just a headline. Much harder
than just trying to set a solution that
will um get a bit of reaction from the
public. And we cannot do this by point
scoring. You cannot do this by pitching
one against the other because it has to
be a solution where communities feel
like they're being listened to, the
British public feel like they're being
listened to, that health care and
services which are there to support the
British public, but are also going to be
used by those using the migrant hotels
are being used and actually able to
support those who need them with British
people at the front of the queue because
that's what is needed to
>> and do you think that the conservative
government shares any of the
responsibility for the fact there are
that we are in the situation we're in
now? Immigration in the last few years
exploded around the world. Absolutely.
And yes, I'm asking about the
conservative and yes, we were not immune
to that. We absolutely were not immune
to that. We recognize that completely.
We did see immigration increase while
we're in government. We've seen it
increase again this year. Small vote
arrivals are already higher this year
than they have been in the previous um
year as well. This is not a one
government issue. This is not a one or
twoyear issue, but it is an issue that
we do need to solve.