Autism has been in the news again for a
00:00
couple of different reasons. I think we
00:03
all know that there's been like a false
00:05
association between vaccines and autism.
00:07
There's a famous paper that, you know,
00:10
so many authors end up retracting their
00:11
names. Um, but I think this conversation
00:13
comes up a lot. There's a lot of
00:16
conversation around vaccines right now
00:17
because America's going through a lot of
00:18
internal strife and discussion around
00:20
that. Also, it was like a month ago when
00:22
R I always say RFK, but it's RFK Jr.
00:25
came forward to talk and really like
00:28
highlight a specific study that found
00:30
that one in 150 kids in the year 2000
00:33
had autism whereas now it's up to one in
00:36
31 kids. The CDC has another new report
00:39
saving saying that there's been a 15%
00:42
jump in autism cases in the last 2 years
00:44
and these trends are occurring
00:47
throughout a lot of high-income
00:49
countries like the UK, Denmark, South
00:51
Korea and Japan. And so there are people
00:53
like RFK Jr. who have truly sat and said
00:56
there is an environmental toxin causing
00:59
this and by the end of the year we're
01:01
going to know exactly why there's so
01:03
much like we're going to explain to you
01:06
the cause of this increase in autism
01:08
which has caused science researchers
01:10
across the world to panic and really
01:13
talk about what we're going to talk
01:16
about today because it's important
01:17
people understand as we go forward
01:18
because it is going to get co-opted I
01:20
think to change science and do some
01:22
messed up things.
01:24
Yeah. And I the one other thing I want
01:24
to say that we'll bring up today and
01:26
talk about is the research between
01:27
Tylenol or acetaminophen um and autism
01:30
and even ADHD and and things like this.
01:34
This has been in the news a lot. I think
01:36
RFK Jr. has talked about this and that
01:37
they believe they should like restrict
01:39
the use of Tylenol especially for um
01:40
people who are pregnant. That's kind of
01:42
what the science or the conversation has
01:43
been around. So we're going to dive into
01:45
like all this mix of stuff.
01:47
So the first thing is like what is
01:49
autism? I kind of was like doing all
01:51
this research and then forgot to kind of
01:54
be like wait cuz they just talk about
01:56
ASD autis or like autism like spectrum
01:58
disorder and I always was and then
02:01
eventually I was like what is it?
02:03
Mhm. So it it's actually so vague in
02:04
some ways because it can show up so
02:08
differently for so many different people
02:11
now and that generally it's a harder
02:13
time communicating specific intense
02:16
interests or a harder time with like
02:18
when your routines disrupted intense
02:20
reactions to bright lights, loud noises,
02:23
and stimuli that might be deemed
02:26
annoying. I was like, "Okay." Like it
02:27
was like I feel like sometimes you need
02:30
to be reminded of that because it feels
02:31
like
02:33
it's nice to have also like definitional
02:34
boundaries to especially when you're
02:36
researching something to say okay does
02:38
it fit and tick these boxes. We can't
02:40
just have a vague amorphous like of
02:42
course it's called um a spectrum. Um,
02:44
and through the past we have had words
02:48
like Asberers and now people talk about
02:50
being neurode divergent, but some people
02:52
say that they're like completely
02:55
functional in society and can hold the
02:56
job and do these things. But of course
02:58
there's other ends of the spectrum where
02:59
people need full assistance and need
03:01
help with from other people. And so
03:03
there is a spectrum and obviously we in
03:06
scientists and everyone wants to respect
03:09
that someone could have some of these
03:11
traits but I think it's it is useful to
03:12
have like these definitions that help to
03:14
especially look at research and say does
03:16
this person have this condition?
03:19
Yes. And so we're going to start talking
03:21
about the reasons that scientists and
03:23
researchers agree on could cause someone
03:26
to have autism. And the most striking,
03:29
the most obvious and the answer as to
03:34
why someone would most likely have
03:38
autism, which RFK Jr. and a lot of like
03:39
mega people are ignoring, is genetics.
03:42
So that is the most important thing to
03:45
remember. Um it's 70 to 90% inherited.
03:48
It's similar to the inheritability of
03:52
height, which I thought was really
03:54
interesting, which is 80% heritability.
03:55
So, like if you look at a family, um, if
03:57
you have a family history of someone
04:00
having ASD, you're much more likely to
04:02
have it. If one sibling has it, it's
04:04
more likely the other siblings going to
04:06
have it. When they looked at identical
04:07
twins, it's extremely likely for them
04:09
both to have it. So, it's it's it's
04:11
genetic like a that I just
04:13
like a massive piece of it is from
04:16
studies shows that like perhaps there
04:18
are environmental things that can affect
04:20
and that's why we'll talk about like
04:22
Tylenol. Can that increase the odds or
04:24
something?
04:25
Yeah. like plastics, these kind of
04:26
things that people talk about um or
04:28
vaccines, which has always been
04:30
controversial. It's not true, but uh
04:32
yeah, just to say it doesn't mean there
04:34
can't be environmental factors, but when
04:36
the research looks into twins and
04:38
siblings and these things, it's like,
04:40
okay, we can see that a chunk of it is
04:41
heritable. It's either being passed,
04:43
it's being passed on from the family
04:45
genes. And what's interesting about
04:47
these studies is that they can't
04:48
understand like the human brain is so
04:50
complicated. They can't understand
04:52
exactly what's going on genetically to
04:54
cause the autism. They just look overall
04:56
like picture like a family tree and then
04:58
they see the heritability. They're not
05:00
at the point now with science to go this
05:02
is the specific gene that causes this
05:05
that causes that. Like it's so
05:07
complicated. And I think one of the most
05:09
important things to remember about this
05:10
and as if you're an American, as your
05:12
government co-ops this to do crazy
05:15
is that this is so complicated. There's
05:17
not going to be one thing by the end of
05:19
the year that they figure out causes
05:21
autism. Like that is what the point of
05:23
this genetic research even is, is that
05:26
they're like the enemy of understanding
05:28
this is the complexity of the brain,
05:31
genetics, environment, and autism all
05:33
coming together. There's not going to be
05:36
one thing. And it disgusts me to think
05:38
that that was even said that we're gonna
05:40
figure out those saying the it's like
05:41
not to get into like the politics of it,
05:44
but it makes you realize like this is
05:46
how and I'm not saying this is like a
05:48
left or right issue, but in terms of
05:51
like an authoritarian government, being
05:52
able to say we are the ones who can
05:54
figure it out, can solve it. It comes
05:56
down to a specific issue. We're going to
05:58
find that one thing. Like life is so
06:00
much more complicated than that. It's
06:02
like saying there's one thing that can
06:04
cause cancer and we're just going to
06:05
figure out cancer. It's like no. But
06:06
when you start researching, you realize
06:07
actually cells can metastasize in like
06:09
so many different pathways and that's
06:11
why cancer is like very complicated to
06:13
like eradicate because it might be
06:15
because your cells duplicate too fast.
06:17
It might be because their apoptosis or
06:19
cell death mechanisms are not
06:21
functioning properly. There's like
06:22
literally 10 different ways it can
06:23
happen. And so I think autism is like a
06:25
like especially when it comes to like a
06:28
personality, not this is like a
06:31
personality disorder, but something
06:32
that's like psychological in a way. It's
06:33
we know these things are so much harder
06:36
to quantify and take a lot more research
06:38
and time and data, especially if we're
06:40
saying parts of it might be
06:42
environmental, parts of it might be
06:43
genetic. It's just important to remember
06:45
when someone promises they can be the
06:47
ones to figure it out and they can force
06:48
science to figure something out in a
06:50
year that has been being studied for a
06:52
long time. It's just like take its note
06:54
of that
06:56
absolute horrifying red flag. Like it's
06:57
not like a partisan thing. It's it's
07:00
extremely scary to think to to pre
07:03
before doing any science say you're
07:06
going to figure it out is crazy. We'll
07:08
get more into that I think at the end.
07:09
We can keep going now I think through
07:11
all the different examples of specific
07:13
things that could cause us autism which
07:17
might get co-opted by like the media. So
07:19
maybe you could talk about um Tylenol
07:21
because it is so interesting.
07:23
Okay. So I something I find interesting
07:25
and obviously I'm going to use the word
07:27
Tylenol and acetaminophen. Uh obviously
07:29
acetaminophen is like the generic brand
07:31
generic name for the brand Tylenol. This
07:35
is the drug that's in it, but you can go
07:37
to your drugstore and just get
07:39
acetaminophen and have that same effect
07:40
as Tylenol. What I find interesting is
07:42
that the way that it's being talked
07:45
about by this like maha movement like
07:47
RFK Jr. is they're always talking about
07:49
Tylenol, but it's like that's not the
07:52
drug and it's obviously so that people
07:55
feel afraid of it in my mind. Like sure
07:57
you might argue
07:59
a big pharma vibe.
08:00
Well, I just feel like
08:01
why aren't they talking about it as
08:04
acetaminophen? That's the drug if they
08:06
believe that. It just feels interesting
08:08
that they're like posing it as Tylenol.
08:10
We're going to take down Tylenol.
08:12
Anyway, going into the research on this,
08:14
why it has popped up and scared people
08:16
is because for a long time doctors would
08:18
say, "Okay, Advil, which is ibuprofen,
08:21
maybe isn't the best to take if you're
08:23
pregnant because it can impact the blood
08:25
flow to the fetus." And Tylenol has
08:27
always been considered or
08:29
acetaminophen's been considered sort of
08:30
like the more safe one. If you have a
08:32
fever or you're not feeling like you
08:33
have aches or something's going on, you
08:35
can take that. But there's been this
08:37
sort of like slow history of studies
08:39
popping up things showing like huh maybe
08:41
there's some evidence that Tylenol acts
08:44
as like an endocrine disruptor maybe
08:46
which is something similar to like
08:48
plastics like phalates are an endocrine
08:50
disruptor and I think it's like
08:52
structurally Tylenol or sorry
08:54
acetaminophen acts like this in your
08:56
body. So there's been some concerns
08:58
around that studies that have flagged
09:00
that but again it's always been like
09:01
some studies show it some studies don't.
09:04
there's never been overwhelming evidence
09:05
for this. Um then again from that some
09:07
studies started finding correlations
09:11
between autism and people who are
09:12
pregnant who take Tylenol and kind of in
09:15
proportion to like how much they would
09:17
take Tylenol. And it all came to a head
09:19
in 2021 when Nature Journal, extremely
09:21
respected and highly reputable journal
09:24
posted sort of this thing called a
09:27
consensus statement where they were like
09:28
we believe people should stop taking
09:31
Tylenol if they're pregnant. there is
09:33
some evidence out there for this and so
09:35
don't risk it because we're seeing these
09:38
weird correlations with autism.
09:40
Now, that that's like not problematic in
09:43
and of itself, but many scientists came
09:44
out and said like the evidence feels so
09:46
weak for this. Maybe there's
09:47
associations, but like there's not
09:49
enough out there
09:51
and there's not actually a consensus.
09:52
And so the word consensus statement is
09:54
very it's like an interesting sort of
09:56
like
09:58
literary issue because it's actually not
09:59
that makes you think that every
10:02
scientist out there is agreeing or the
10:03
vast majority and in fact the vast
10:05
majority were not agreeing. Of course
10:07
like more reasonable scientists and
10:09
those who would have published this are
10:11
reasonable as well. If you're going in
10:13
nature it's like they're seeing that
10:14
some studies are showing educating the
10:16
public.
10:18
They're not saying like the people who
10:18
are criticizing this aren't saying
10:20
there's no evidence for this. They're
10:21
just saying to make it a consensus
10:23
statement is maybe a little bit rushed.
10:24
So there's been subsequent research and
10:27
meta analyses from this. The interesting
10:30
thing is that some meta analysis were
10:32
finding the same thing like 20 to 30%.
10:33
This was like the number of PE that the
10:37
chance higher that your child would have
10:40
autism if you were taking Tylenol. Um
10:42
acetaminophen.
10:45
Yes. Acetaminophen. Sorry. Thank you.
10:46
And so basically these other big reviews
10:49
started playing together. They found the
10:51
same result and they were like, "Okay,
10:53
well first that's a good thing because
10:54
we're matching up with a similar number
10:56
to what other studies are finding.
10:57
But then they did it something
10:59
interesting which not a lot of studies
11:01
do because it's more complicated. They
11:02
started I mean every study should
11:04
probably do this. They started
11:06
accounting for more variables. So they
11:07
started looking at like okay well what
11:08
if we account more specifically for the
11:10
pregnant person's age? What if we
11:13
started accounting more for their health
11:16
issues? What if we started accounting
11:18
for X, Y, and Z? And the first one when
11:20
they just started accounting for their
11:23
age.
11:24
Oh my gosh, our Google just started
11:26
talking. That's
11:27
the world's ending.
11:28
You can't hear it, but sometimes our
11:29
little Google Home thing just starts
11:31
talking to us and it scares me.
11:33
Accounting for age. Okay, we can talk
11:34
about age cuz I have lots on that, too.
11:35
Yeah.
11:36
Yeah. So, um, accounting for age alone
11:37
brought the rates of autism down to 5%.
11:41
So from 30% at the high end to 5%
11:45
when you take acetaminophen.
11:47
Yes. So people taking acetaminophen
11:48
we're like okay we see 30% higher chance
11:50
of autism. But if we start to realize
11:53
and factor in age the older somebody is
11:56
the more likely they are to have a child
11:59
with autism.
12:01
Yes. So there's other studies and it's
12:02
like if you if the mother having the kid
12:05
um is over 40 there's a 3.2 to 5.6% 6%
12:08
increased chance of that kid having
12:14
autism and similar a little bit smaller
12:16
for when the father or the person with
12:19
the penis's sperm is over 40. So
12:21
okay that is a trend that they have seen
12:24
is okay like that that has been
12:27
increasing recently people are having
12:29
kids later older men are actually having
12:30
like more kids with their like older
12:33
sperm. So okay that could be a factor
12:35
and when you start bringing that factor
12:38
into these this Tylenol research it
12:40
starts to decrease what actually the
12:42
acetaminophen's doing
12:44
right and I mean in epidemiology you
12:45
call this like a confounding variable
12:47
right so or there this starts to look
12:49
like maybe the Tylenol or acetaminophen
12:51
is not the main factor but it's
12:54
associated with age same with like oh
12:57
we're noticing all these the example our
13:00
university professor used to always give
13:02
when we were first learning about
13:03
confounding variables was like For some
13:04
reason, all these people who carry
13:06
around lighters in their pockets have
13:08
lung cancer. Yeah. And so, do do the
13:10
lighters cause lung cancer? Obviously,
13:13
we can all know, okay, no, it's the
13:15
cigarettes, but the lighter is a
13:16
confounding variable because it's
13:18
associated, but it's not actually the
13:19
part that's
13:21
like someone might be like, it's the
13:22
metal and the lighter in your leg.
13:23
Exactly. Um, but it's easier to see that
13:25
clear kind of like obviously we're not
13:27
thinking it's the lighter, but there's
13:29
an association. Yeah. So these studies
13:31
then further started analyzing other
13:34
variables genes being a big one. So like
13:36
you said or Greg had mentioned 70 to 90%
13:39
of autism is believed to be genetic.
13:42
These studies started looking at family
13:44
units. So they would you know the best
13:46
kind of family unit study is on twins.
13:48
But if you can't do that sort of the
13:49
second best is like look at siblings.
13:51
Let's look at families where maybe they
13:53
had like a database I think of two and a
13:56
half million kids here over the course
13:57
of I think 26 years. This is a study
13:59
from Sweden who like tracks a lot of
14:01
their health data regardless. Um, and
14:03
they so basically it's like let's track
14:06
what drugs the mother was taking, their
14:10
health, if they were taking
14:12
acetaminophen, maybe they took it for
14:13
one kid but didn't for the other. And
14:14
then when they start looking at these
14:16
genetic variables, they realize the
14:18
acetaminophen claims flatline. it's no
14:20
longer accounting for the rates of
14:23
autism,
14:26
especially in the high rates that will
14:27
be touted from that consensus statement,
14:28
etc. Also, there's a strong or sorry
14:30
again, I shouldn't use those words, but
14:33
there is a link between infections
14:35
during pregnancy and your child having
14:39
autism. So, that's another confounding
14:41
variable. If you are a mother who has an
14:43
infection, you're going to more likely
14:46
take Tylenol, but it's actually the
14:48
infection that is increasing the amount
14:50
of autism, right, in your kid, not the
14:53
Tylenol or the acid.
14:55
Now, like, of course, and and we're not
14:56
like the scientists. This is the
14:58
scientific process. There are studies
15:00
that still find these links, right? It
15:02
doesn't mean that there's 0% impact.
15:04
We're just seeing with these bigger
15:07
studies, okay, it's probably not like
15:08
30% of her.
15:10
It's not explaining the drastic rise in
15:11
autism in recent years, which is the
15:14
thing that I think no matter what, we
15:16
can't get around. Yes. And also
15:19
trying to blame it on acetaminophen is
15:22
the part that is actually crazy to to
15:26
that drastic increase onto
15:28
acetaminophen. Some people are trying to
15:30
say it's just that and then that's where
15:32
you're like, okay, that is completely
15:34
false. I one other interesting
15:35
confounding variable it's like as we
15:38
said genetic if you have an autistic
15:41
child you're more likely to be on the
15:43
spectrum. It doesn't mean you are
15:45
necessarily but you're more likely and
15:46
moms or pregnant people on the spectrum
15:49
experience more pain during pregnancy
15:51
including more migraines and stuff. So
15:53
there's all these possibilities. Again
15:55
this doesn't mean like studies need to
15:56
keep looking into this but if someone's
15:58
more likely to experience pain maybe
16:00
they're more likely to take painkillers.
16:01
Um and so to wrap up like this acid if
16:04
in part of course the research will grow
16:07
and science is not infallible and yes
16:09
pieces come in and out and more
16:12
attention will be given to this and I'm
16:14
not saying that's a bad thing like if
16:15
this current American administration
16:18
does fund more research that's
16:20
legitimate and isn't like biased
16:22
which it's not.
16:24
Yeah, we know that they want an answer.
16:25
Doesn't mean every study that comes out
16:27
that says there is a link is bad. It
16:29
doesn't mean everyone that comes out
16:32
that says there's no link is good, but
16:33
the more studies the the more analysis
16:34
we can do. Um, and of course we're not
16:36
like medical providers or doctors, but
16:39
the general consensus now from these
16:41
more recent studies is like if you're
16:43
overly concerned and you're pregnant, of
16:46
course you can try and avoid. There's
16:48
other risks. If you do get sick and have
16:49
a fever, for example, like that can also
16:51
be really bad for a child. And so it's
16:54
like it may be better to look after that
16:56
fever instead of letting your body have
16:59
that. But it's more like okay if you're
17:01
going to take Tylenol for weeks on end
17:03
or Advil for weeks on end you might be
17:05
playing a riskier game. So of course if
17:07
you have it once in a while your doctor
17:09
probably would say hey if you just have
17:11
like are feeling a fever for a couple
17:12
days
17:14
to your doctor folks do not use Tik Tok.
17:14
Yeah. Also, it's unbelievable how hard
17:17
it is to find any val. Like, I was like,
17:22
"Okay, but like la look into autism and
17:24
vaccines." Literally nothing. It's like
17:26
it's like it's not even part of the
17:29
conversation. It's quite horrifying to
17:30
think about how much it's been co-opted
17:32
online. people even in our video there's
17:34
no correlation between vaccines and
17:36
autism. Like I'm just like it's I'm
17:38
saying I'm I'm going to start talking
17:39
now about how there is a correlation
17:41
between pollution and autis like I'm
17:43
about to talk about studies that there
17:44
are some things that are not explaining
17:46
the drastic increase but they're kind of
17:48
like oh there's something here even
17:50
there is something there. the vaccine
17:53
thing. It's like there's actually
17:55
nothing which is so frustrating because
17:57
it is probably the most popular concept
18:00
online is that vaccines cause pervasive.
18:03
Yes. And it's just like kind of scary
18:06
when I'm like there's no scientific
18:08
evidence at all. And I mean like I can
18:10
feel weird like of course I want to be
18:13
empathetic to like new parents and
18:15
people who go through traumatic
18:17
experiences and and the thing is like
18:18
vaccines that protect and save kids
18:20
lives are given when they're young and
18:23
so
18:25
a parent who might have a developing
18:26
child and feel like their behavior isn't
18:28
keeping track with others gets
18:31
vaccinated and that they're building
18:33
this own correlation in their mind. Um,
18:34
that's a big part of it is that when
18:37
people study why someone might think it
18:38
was the vaccine, it's because when
18:41
people are diagnosed with autism,
18:43
they're usually around the same ages
18:44
when they get childhood vaccines. It's
18:46
that simple. It's like just a it's just
18:48
like, oh god, just like an annoying
18:50
coincidence.
18:51
Yeah. And I mean, obviously, even with
18:52
vaccines in general, like even if you
18:54
got your flu vaccine, like you might
18:56
have aches and pains after that. Like
18:58
some people do have reactions to them.
19:00
Obviously, on the whole, vaccines have
19:02
been studied for hundreds of years and
19:04
are constantly pushed for safety
19:06
regulations because they're like a
19:07
really intense thing to put into healthy
19:09
people and healthy children. So, they're
19:10
highly regulated unlike many other
19:12
industries where you're taking pills and
19:14
doing things that are supposed to like
19:16
make you feel better.
19:17
Vitamin.
19:18
Yeah. Um,
19:18
I forgot what I was going to say. It's
19:21
just that like you might have what I
19:22
take from is like the flu vaccine for
19:26
example is like a lot of my friends
19:27
won't take it cuz I'm like I took it
19:29
once and I felt sick for a day. But what
19:30
those people aren't realizing is that
19:32
then come January they got a horrible
19:34
flu and they get really sick and they're
19:36
not thinking oh I didn't if only I'd
19:38
gotten my vaccine. Like I've noticed
19:40
that a lot cuz I always get my flu
19:42
vaccine. Some people like in my life
19:43
they go in and out of it and there will
19:46
be times in January where they'll get
19:47
sick and I remind them like I'm not
19:50
sick.
19:51
That happened to me this year. I think I
19:52
said it on the pot. I'm embarrassed to
19:53
admit it but I was when I would normally
19:55
get my flu vaccine this year. I was
19:57
traveling for a few months and I think
19:58
in my mind I was like I'll have to just
20:00
get it when I get back and I didn't. And
20:02
I had like my worst sickness I've had in
20:04
a long time. and I was in the house with
20:06
you and all these things and I was like
20:07
this is an important thing to this is
20:09
what people need to think about cuz it's
20:10
so easy to think I got the vaccine and
20:12
then I felt like kind of weird for 12
20:14
hours or I got a little bit of a
20:16
headache the next day it's like okay but
20:17
that's like scientifically
20:18
and then I caught the flu and got a
20:20
little sick but maybe it's like you
20:22
might have had it ways
20:23
I was sick coughing feeling so awful it
20:26
was like and I was so mad at myself you
20:30
know you just like when you go so many
20:32
years without having to think about it
20:34
either cuz I had the vaccines or just
20:35
like got lucky by not being exposed
20:37
certain years. This year was such a
20:39
reminder for me of like I can't let that
20:41
slip my mind again and I won't make that
20:44
mistake again cuz I got so sick. Um and
20:46
of course that's just one data piece.
20:49
I'm not trying to like say my experience
20:51
is for everyone, but based on what you
20:53
see from research like that vaccines
20:55
protect sickness then they you might
20:58
still get catch it, but you're probably
21:00
then in that case going to have less
21:01
severe symptoms. Um
21:03
so okay so now there have been some
21:05
researchers like one study on 8,000
21:07
children said that their found that if a
21:09
mother had a higher exposure to ozone
21:12
levels it was associated with increased
21:13
autism. So that's like a pollutant
21:15
that's actually decreasing overall in
21:18
general in the public. So that doesn't
21:21
explain the large increase in the recent
21:22
years. But pollution does have an effect
21:24
unlike vaccines which has zero effect on
21:27
autism. Let's just like reiterate that.
21:29
Heavy metals for example can also have
21:31
an effect on the baby. Same with um uh
21:33
so for example like the heavy metal
21:37
would maybe somehow be exposed to the
21:39
mother which would make its way into the
21:41
fetus. But again heavy metals are also
21:42
decreasing in the general public like
21:44
lead like all the sort of quote unquote
21:45
environmental factors that
21:48
seemed legitimate
21:51
seem legitimately bad are all decreasing
21:52
in our populations where we're seeing
21:55
autism increase. So it's just not making
21:57
sense. Also, it's extremely rare that it
22:00
it causes, you know, um, autism because
22:03
because it's rare to just get heavy
22:06
metals in you.
22:07
Another interesting one was screen time.
22:09
And they did find some studies that did
22:11
find kids who were having symptoms or
22:15
whatever of autism, like maybe having
22:18
trouble holding eye contact or something
22:20
like that. After they decreased screen
22:21
time, they were better at holding eye
22:23
contact. But all those studies ended up
22:25
coming with interventions with parents
22:28
about how to interact with your kid. So
22:30
they weren't able to differentiate if it
22:33
was the screen time or actually parents
22:35
getting
22:36
help with how to talk and sort of
22:38
mitigate their kids.
22:40
Yeah. And that's an interesting point
22:41
too and this this is probably true of
22:43
other kinds of conditions or even well
22:45
maybe not diseases but where
22:47
multiple
22:51
issues can conflate to have similar
22:53
symptoms, right? So like maybe screen
22:56
time like and obviously this is why like
22:58
definitions are important and structures
23:00
uh from like doctors and health
23:04
professionals because like maybe screen
23:05
time does have an
23:07
effect on the way someone's brain
23:10
develops or their social capacity
23:11
which may not mean that they're like
23:14
genetically autistic. you know, like
23:16
they may not even got it from the
23:17
genetics, but maybe there's like an
23:19
environmental factor like screen time
23:20
that has affected their development in
23:22
terms of their communication. And maybe
23:24
maybe a scientist or a health
23:26
professional would say, well, okay,
23:28
definitionally that still falls into
23:29
like what we're calling autistic. But
23:31
like you said, in that case, maybe
23:34
they're able to work with certain
23:36
therapies through parent counseling and
23:38
that sort of stuff to work on that
23:40
whereas there might be genetic cases
23:42
where it's different. You know what I
23:43
mean? like that it's a harder barrier to
23:45
break through.
23:47
Okay, so now we are going to explain to
23:48
you the real reason why there is an
23:49
increase in autism because there is an
23:52
answer and then we're going to get into
23:54
why RFK is denying this and why truly
23:56
RFK sorry Junior is evil and completely
23:59
like you actually everyone needs to be
24:02
warned about what is happening as we go
24:04
into this time where there is I guess an
24:06
authoritarian government in America and
24:08
we just have to keep talking about that.
24:10
Okay, so the real reason is due to
24:12
diagnostics and the mega movement, maha
24:14
movement is going to be lying to you
24:16
about this and Nature magazine has come
24:18
out with a whole
24:21
essentially article constantly trying to
24:24
explain like okay we're under attack by
24:25
these politicians who are just going to
24:28
lie to you at this point because there's
24:29
there's no
24:31
this is the reason.
24:32
Okay.
24:33
So in the 1960s in order to be
24:34
considered autistic you had to be
24:36
non-verbal. So then obviously that would
24:38
be way less people being considered
24:41
autistic.
24:44
Yeah.
24:44
In the 1980s the diagnos diagnostics
24:45
started to include people who were
24:49
hyperfixated on specific things and who
24:50
couldn't really rein that in when they
24:54
were around other people. But also it's
24:55
important to know that in the 1980s in
24:57
order to have autism you had to be
24:59
diagnosed as a kid. You were not
25:00
allowed. There was no adult diagnosis.
25:02
And then also something kind of funny
25:05
was like in the article mentioned this
25:06
is when the Rainman came out like in
25:08
1988 I think was the movie
25:10
the Rainman is
25:11
oh
25:12
like I know it's a movie sorry it's like
25:12
someone who's like the way that he acted
25:15
was the way that people would have at
25:18
the time been like that's someone with
25:19
described an autistic person. Okay.
25:21
Um
25:22
in the 1990s uh there was the minimum
25:24
number of criteria uh got higher. So
25:28
essentially like it was easier to become
25:31
considered diagnos diagnosed with
25:32
autism. In like 1994 it changed
25:34
in 2013. Asberers was no longer
25:37
separated from autism. It was looped
25:40
into ASD. So all of a sudden now even
25:42
more people are becoming diagnosed with
25:44
ASD.
25:46
One study found that uh from 1980 to
25:47
2011 to 2011 60% of the increases were
25:50
all considered due to diagnostic
25:54
testing. Okay. And I think just simply
25:56
because more people are being diagnosed
25:58
with it for all the reasons you've just
26:01
stated doesn't mean like suddenly more
26:03
people like
26:04
no it's like if someone has aspberers
26:05
they're now considered they have there's
26:07
no such thing as they have ASD. So now
26:08
the ASD community has grown.
26:10
So then to consider what could have been
26:13
happening since 2011, the general
26:16
consensus is that it all has to do with
26:19
an increased awareness of autism, a
26:21
declining stigma among teachers and the
26:23
broad public broader public, increased
26:25
diagnostic testing and support services.
26:27
So now as a teacher, you're going to be
26:30
more vigilant about who might have an as
26:32
like ASD because there's more resources
26:36
for them. There's a way you can talk to
26:38
the parent and say, "And this is what we
26:39
can do for them to help them." In the
26:40
past, it would be like, "Your kid is
26:42
having problems in school. They're a
26:43
problematic child." Now, it's like, "Oh,
26:45
they actually might h have ASD. Here are
26:46
all the positive ways that we can help
26:49
you."
26:51
Um, and then on top of that, parents are
26:52
seeking diagnosis for their kids more
26:55
often than ever before, cuz when their
26:57
kid is being told when they're being
26:59
told by a teacher that their kid is
27:01
having problems, they immediately will
27:02
go to like the concept of ASD cuz we're
27:04
all talking about it. Another thing that
27:07
over the general trend overall is that
27:10
in the past it was considered that women
27:12
and little girls could not have autism
27:14
completely overlooked. So now only
27:16
recently is it become normalized to even
27:18
consider it for women and little girls
27:21
which is just another reason why you're
27:23
like science is so sometimes.
27:24
And then one of the biggest things that
27:26
they see now is just the ability for
27:29
adults to then get tested and decide if
27:31
they have ASD or not. In the past again,
27:34
it was only children and all of that is
27:36
encompassing what scientists and
27:38
researchers are calling an epidemic of
27:40
diagnosis, not an epidemic of autism.
27:44
Yes. So, one of the most important um
27:47
researchers has decided to try and say
27:49
it like that cuz he knows it's being
27:51
co-opted as an epidemic, but an epidemic
27:52
of diagnosis
27:55
and okay, so
27:57
RFK Jr. literally said that the increase
28:00
in the autism spectrum disorders that
28:04
they are seeing are severe, which is an
28:06
absolute lie. The increase in ASD
28:08
disorders that are causing all the
28:10
drastic changes in statistics are due to
28:13
minor versions of it where people still
28:15
have jobs, they're still working. And
28:19
then so RFK Jr. also said, "What's the
28:21
reason we need to figure out why this is
28:24
happening is cuz these people, they
28:26
can't hold a job, they can't pay taxes."
28:27
that really pissed off the ASD community
28:29
who was like that is complete
28:32
brainwashing of what this actually is
28:34
and is completely evil. And then on top
28:36
of that, they're now doing this $50
28:38
million
28:41
prize grant, this is what they're trying
28:42
to say, funding research to figure out
28:44
the cause of autism. while
28:47
simultaneously since the beginning of
28:49
2025 when Trump was elected, they've
28:51
decreased the actual research on autism
28:53
and potential treatments and ways to
28:56
help with it by $62 billion.
28:58
So again, they're lying. They're just
29:01
they're just sorry, not 62 million.
29:04
Sorry. They're giving a $50 million
29:05
grant while completely defunding the
29:07
research that talks about improving
29:09
these people's lives and actually
29:11
dealing with what happens. So they're
29:13
trying to pave a way. Okay, this is what
29:16
researchers and scientists are scared of
29:18
to bring in vaccine hesitancy to blame
29:19
it on vaccines
29:21
cuz they just want an answer
29:22
cuz they want an answer and they and RFK
29:24
Jr. is a liar. He's untrustworthy and
29:26
he's antiax and he wants to create an
29:28
antivax campaign and they want to use
29:30
autism as the reason. So they're trying
29:32
to create doubt by including decreasing
29:35
the grants. So, so many scientists who
29:38
are studying ASD and how to deal with it
29:40
in America have now lost their jobs and
29:43
lost all of their funding while they've
29:44
brought in this other source of funding
29:46
to only look at one aspect of it, which
29:48
is the cause. And a lot of autistic
29:50
people are really upset because they
29:52
some autistic people are like, "We don't
29:54
really care what caused this. We want to
29:56
figure out how we can live our lives
29:57
better." Like, what why are you focusing
29:59
on this? It's cuz they don't actually
30:02
care about people, which we you like
30:03
hopefully people are starting to
30:05
realize. They care about an agenda and
30:06
an authoritarian look at science. And
30:09
then there's so much more happening like
30:11
the person at the CDC resigning recently
30:12
after pressure from RFK Jr. to release
30:15
results about vaccines that were in that
30:17
were not true. So the science coming
30:20
from RFK Jr. and the American government
30:23
is extremely scary. It's completely made
30:25
up and it's about an authoritarian
30:27
regime taking over power in subtle ways.
30:29
And autism is being used as a scapegoat.
30:32
And the last thing I'll say is that
30:35
there's a specific committee called the
30:37
inter agency autism coordinating
30:39
committee which is supposed to allow
30:41
people who suffer from ASD to be in
30:42
these conversations. They have not been
30:44
consulted at all this year by the Trump
30:46
administration have been completely
30:48
ostracized from any of this discussion.
30:49
So the reason that we're going to have
30:51
to keep talking about and have episodes
30:54
like this is that we are living through
30:55
a really men like menacing time where
30:59
like autism is being used
31:02
and co-opted to push an antivax campaign
31:05
campaign which is actually just about
31:09
building individualistic looks at the
31:11
world to have an authoritarian regime
31:14
take over America. It's it's
31:16
yeah I mean it's happening it's
31:18
happening with much more than just
31:19
autism too. I think like there's many
31:20
issues like this that this
31:23
administration in America and movements
31:25
around the world
31:28
Canada and right movements
31:28
but specifically obviously like the US
31:30
government is such a big force in this
31:32
world and the people that are in it
31:34
using these kind of also like wedge
31:36
controversial issues to pass kinds of
31:39
legislation that matter to them for
31:42
forms of control who can have access to
31:45
funding and all these kinds of things.
31:47
Um, and it is like super nefarious and
31:49
scary. I the one thing I want to say is
31:52
like there is a much more interesting
31:54
conversation around like the age of
31:56
diagnosis. There's a book I started
31:58
reading about this that's fascinating
32:00
and it's like the question of whether is
32:02
this overdiagnosis a bad thing? Is it a
32:04
good thing? Like sometimes when
32:06
somebody's diagnosed can like the book's
32:08
kind of touching on like there's
32:10
somebody who didn't know they had this
32:12
specific issue. I can't remember. It's
32:14
like a very um niche disorder. They only
32:16
found it when they were older versus
32:19
somebody who found it when they were
32:21
younger and how that can change their
32:22
lives, right? And like of course these
32:24
are disorders that are on the cusp of
32:25
how much do they actually affect your
32:28
life? Like of course if you have extreme
32:29
ASD and people are going to notice and
32:31
you're going to need attention much
32:34
earlier. Um but just this idea of like
32:35
if I for example was and many people
32:37
make jokes on this podcast about me like
32:40
being on the spectrum somewhere. It's
32:43
like if I actually found out I was or if
32:44
you actually found out you have ADHD,
32:46
how does that change your life and is it
32:49
for the better always? Right.
32:51
Um and I think there's like interesting
32:52
conversations around like the world we
32:54
live in and how people self diagnose on
32:56
the internet and that of course makes
32:57
them go to their doctor and look for
32:59
these kinds of things and their doctors
33:00
might like
33:02
give them that test and maybe they have
33:03
it. So I I just think like there are
33:05
interesting conversations around there
33:07
and it's not to say shut that down.
33:08
No, no, of course not. But like it's
33:10
just so sad that we can't have new it's
33:12
going to be harder and harder to have
33:14
nuance conversations about anything in
33:15
regards to science when it's being
33:17
completely attacked which is the
33:18
frustrating part about this situation.
33:19
Okay. I feel like that was
33:22
honestly like all the information that
33:24
like is probably necessary for right now
33:26
and we will be continuing to have to
33:28
probably like talk about this. And it's
33:31
like I think it's worth saying it's
33:32
Friday September 19th when we recorded
33:33
this cuz like
33:36
lots of news changes.
33:36
Oh my god. just reading it. They're like
33:37
literally looking into like not giving
33:39
hepatitis B vaccines and And
33:40
anyways,
33:42
go watch our video on vaccines. By the
33:43
way, just came out because it will
33:45
address their effectiveness.
33:47
Yes. And maybe like send it to friends
33:49
and family. Oh my god. I don't know. We
33:50
like it's like it's so exhausting to be
33:52
back in a place like Oh my god. I just
33:54
want to talk about fun
33:55
I know. Well, our next episode will make
33:57
like more light-hearted and fun.
33:59
Yeah. You know, it's nice to go back and
34:01
forth.
34:02
Okay. Thanks for listening.
34:03
Thanks for listening. Send this to
34:04
people who need to hear it. That's a B.
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Lyrics & Translation
[English]
Autism has been in the news again for a
couple of different reasons. I think we
all know that there's been like a false
association between vaccines and autism.
There's a famous paper that, you know,
so many authors end up retracting their
names. Um, but I think this conversation
comes up a lot. There's a lot of
conversation around vaccines right now
because America's going through a lot of
internal strife and discussion around
that. Also, it was like a month ago when
R I always say RFK, but it's RFK Jr.
came forward to talk and really like
highlight a specific study that found
that one in 150 kids in the year 2000
had autism whereas now it's up to one in
31 kids. The CDC has another new report
saving saying that there's been a 15%
jump in autism cases in the last 2 years
and these trends are occurring
throughout a lot of high-income
countries like the UK, Denmark, South
Korea and Japan. And so there are people
like RFK Jr. who have truly sat and said
there is an environmental toxin causing
this and by the end of the year we're
going to know exactly why there's so
much like we're going to explain to you
the cause of this increase in autism
which has caused science researchers
across the world to panic and really
talk about what we're going to talk
about today because it's important
people understand as we go forward
because it is going to get co-opted I
think to change science and do some
messed up things.
Yeah. And I the one other thing I want
to say that we'll bring up today and
talk about is the research between
Tylenol or acetaminophen um and autism
and even ADHD and and things like this.
This has been in the news a lot. I think
RFK Jr. has talked about this and that
they believe they should like restrict
the use of Tylenol especially for um
people who are pregnant. That's kind of
what the science or the conversation has
been around. So we're going to dive into
like all this mix of stuff.
So the first thing is like what is
autism? I kind of was like doing all
this research and then forgot to kind of
be like wait cuz they just talk about
ASD autis or like autism like spectrum
disorder and I always was and then
eventually I was like what is it?
Mhm. So it it's actually so vague in
some ways because it can show up so
differently for so many different people
now and that generally it's a harder
time communicating specific intense
interests or a harder time with like
when your routines disrupted intense
reactions to bright lights, loud noises,
and stimuli that might be deemed
annoying. I was like, "Okay." Like it
was like I feel like sometimes you need
to be reminded of that because it feels
like
it's nice to have also like definitional
boundaries to especially when you're
researching something to say okay does
it fit and tick these boxes. We can't
just have a vague amorphous like of
course it's called um a spectrum. Um,
and through the past we have had words
like Asberers and now people talk about
being neurode divergent, but some people
say that they're like completely
functional in society and can hold the
job and do these things. But of course
there's other ends of the spectrum where
people need full assistance and need
help with from other people. And so
there is a spectrum and obviously we in
scientists and everyone wants to respect
that someone could have some of these
traits but I think it's it is useful to
have like these definitions that help to
especially look at research and say does
this person have this condition?
Yes. And so we're going to start talking
about the reasons that scientists and
researchers agree on could cause someone
to have autism. And the most striking,
the most obvious and the answer as to
why someone would most likely have
autism, which RFK Jr. and a lot of like
mega people are ignoring, is genetics.
So that is the most important thing to
remember. Um it's 70 to 90% inherited.
It's similar to the inheritability of
height, which I thought was really
interesting, which is 80% heritability.
So, like if you look at a family, um, if
you have a family history of someone
having ASD, you're much more likely to
have it. If one sibling has it, it's
more likely the other siblings going to
have it. When they looked at identical
twins, it's extremely likely for them
both to have it. So, it's it's it's
genetic like a that I just
like a massive piece of it is from
studies shows that like perhaps there
are environmental things that can affect
and that's why we'll talk about like
Tylenol. Can that increase the odds or
something?
Yeah. like plastics, these kind of
things that people talk about um or
vaccines, which has always been
controversial. It's not true, but uh
yeah, just to say it doesn't mean there
can't be environmental factors, but when
the research looks into twins and
siblings and these things, it's like,
okay, we can see that a chunk of it is
heritable. It's either being passed,
it's being passed on from the family
genes. And what's interesting about
these studies is that they can't
understand like the human brain is so
complicated. They can't understand
exactly what's going on genetically to
cause the autism. They just look overall
like picture like a family tree and then
they see the heritability. They're not
at the point now with science to go this
is the specific gene that causes this
that causes that. Like it's so
complicated. And I think one of the most
important things to remember about this
and as if you're an American, as your
government co-ops this to do crazy
is that this is so complicated. There's
not going to be one thing by the end of
the year that they figure out causes
autism. Like that is what the point of
this genetic research even is, is that
they're like the enemy of understanding
this is the complexity of the brain,
genetics, environment, and autism all
coming together. There's not going to be
one thing. And it disgusts me to think
that that was even said that we're gonna
figure out those saying the it's like
not to get into like the politics of it,
but it makes you realize like this is
how and I'm not saying this is like a
left or right issue, but in terms of
like an authoritarian government, being
able to say we are the ones who can
figure it out, can solve it. It comes
down to a specific issue. We're going to
find that one thing. Like life is so
much more complicated than that. It's
like saying there's one thing that can
cause cancer and we're just going to
figure out cancer. It's like no. But
when you start researching, you realize
actually cells can metastasize in like
so many different pathways and that's
why cancer is like very complicated to
like eradicate because it might be
because your cells duplicate too fast.
It might be because their apoptosis or
cell death mechanisms are not
functioning properly. There's like
literally 10 different ways it can
happen. And so I think autism is like a
like especially when it comes to like a
personality, not this is like a
personality disorder, but something
that's like psychological in a way. It's
we know these things are so much harder
to quantify and take a lot more research
and time and data, especially if we're
saying parts of it might be
environmental, parts of it might be
genetic. It's just important to remember
when someone promises they can be the
ones to figure it out and they can force
science to figure something out in a
year that has been being studied for a
long time. It's just like take its note
of that
absolute horrifying red flag. Like it's
not like a partisan thing. It's it's
extremely scary to think to to pre
before doing any science say you're
going to figure it out is crazy. We'll
get more into that I think at the end.
We can keep going now I think through
all the different examples of specific
things that could cause us autism which
might get co-opted by like the media. So
maybe you could talk about um Tylenol
because it is so interesting.
Okay. So I something I find interesting
and obviously I'm going to use the word
Tylenol and acetaminophen. Uh obviously
acetaminophen is like the generic brand
generic name for the brand Tylenol. This
is the drug that's in it, but you can go
to your drugstore and just get
acetaminophen and have that same effect
as Tylenol. What I find interesting is
that the way that it's being talked
about by this like maha movement like
RFK Jr. is they're always talking about
Tylenol, but it's like that's not the
drug and it's obviously so that people
feel afraid of it in my mind. Like sure
you might argue
a big pharma vibe.
Well, I just feel like
why aren't they talking about it as
acetaminophen? That's the drug if they
believe that. It just feels interesting
that they're like posing it as Tylenol.
We're going to take down Tylenol.
Anyway, going into the research on this,
why it has popped up and scared people
is because for a long time doctors would
say, "Okay, Advil, which is ibuprofen,
maybe isn't the best to take if you're
pregnant because it can impact the blood
flow to the fetus." And Tylenol has
always been considered or
acetaminophen's been considered sort of
like the more safe one. If you have a
fever or you're not feeling like you
have aches or something's going on, you
can take that. But there's been this
sort of like slow history of studies
popping up things showing like huh maybe
there's some evidence that Tylenol acts
as like an endocrine disruptor maybe
which is something similar to like
plastics like phalates are an endocrine
disruptor and I think it's like
structurally Tylenol or sorry
acetaminophen acts like this in your
body. So there's been some concerns
around that studies that have flagged
that but again it's always been like
some studies show it some studies don't.
there's never been overwhelming evidence
for this. Um then again from that some
studies started finding correlations
between autism and people who are
pregnant who take Tylenol and kind of in
proportion to like how much they would
take Tylenol. And it all came to a head
in 2021 when Nature Journal, extremely
respected and highly reputable journal
posted sort of this thing called a
consensus statement where they were like
we believe people should stop taking
Tylenol if they're pregnant. there is
some evidence out there for this and so
don't risk it because we're seeing these
weird correlations with autism.
Now, that that's like not problematic in
and of itself, but many scientists came
out and said like the evidence feels so
weak for this. Maybe there's
associations, but like there's not
enough out there
and there's not actually a consensus.
And so the word consensus statement is
very it's like an interesting sort of
like
literary issue because it's actually not
that makes you think that every
scientist out there is agreeing or the
vast majority and in fact the vast
majority were not agreeing. Of course
like more reasonable scientists and
those who would have published this are
reasonable as well. If you're going in
nature it's like they're seeing that
some studies are showing educating the
public.
They're not saying like the people who
are criticizing this aren't saying
there's no evidence for this. They're
just saying to make it a consensus
statement is maybe a little bit rushed.
So there's been subsequent research and
meta analyses from this. The interesting
thing is that some meta analysis were
finding the same thing like 20 to 30%.
This was like the number of PE that the
chance higher that your child would have
autism if you were taking Tylenol. Um
acetaminophen.
Yes. Acetaminophen. Sorry. Thank you.
And so basically these other big reviews
started playing together. They found the
same result and they were like, "Okay,
well first that's a good thing because
we're matching up with a similar number
to what other studies are finding.
But then they did it something
interesting which not a lot of studies
do because it's more complicated. They
started I mean every study should
probably do this. They started
accounting for more variables. So they
started looking at like okay well what
if we account more specifically for the
pregnant person's age? What if we
started accounting more for their health
issues? What if we started accounting
for X, Y, and Z? And the first one when
they just started accounting for their
age.
Oh my gosh, our Google just started
talking. That's
the world's ending.
You can't hear it, but sometimes our
little Google Home thing just starts
talking to us and it scares me.
Accounting for age. Okay, we can talk
about age cuz I have lots on that, too.
Yeah.
Yeah. So, um, accounting for age alone
brought the rates of autism down to 5%.
So from 30% at the high end to 5%
when you take acetaminophen.
Yes. So people taking acetaminophen
we're like okay we see 30% higher chance
of autism. But if we start to realize
and factor in age the older somebody is
the more likely they are to have a child
with autism.
Yes. So there's other studies and it's
like if you if the mother having the kid
um is over 40 there's a 3.2 to 5.6% 6%
increased chance of that kid having
autism and similar a little bit smaller
for when the father or the person with
the penis's sperm is over 40. So
okay that is a trend that they have seen
is okay like that that has been
increasing recently people are having
kids later older men are actually having
like more kids with their like older
sperm. So okay that could be a factor
and when you start bringing that factor
into these this Tylenol research it
starts to decrease what actually the
acetaminophen's doing
right and I mean in epidemiology you
call this like a confounding variable
right so or there this starts to look
like maybe the Tylenol or acetaminophen
is not the main factor but it's
associated with age same with like oh
we're noticing all these the example our
university professor used to always give
when we were first learning about
confounding variables was like For some
reason, all these people who carry
around lighters in their pockets have
lung cancer. Yeah. And so, do do the
lighters cause lung cancer? Obviously,
we can all know, okay, no, it's the
cigarettes, but the lighter is a
confounding variable because it's
associated, but it's not actually the
part that's
like someone might be like, it's the
metal and the lighter in your leg.
Exactly. Um, but it's easier to see that
clear kind of like obviously we're not
thinking it's the lighter, but there's
an association. Yeah. So these studies
then further started analyzing other
variables genes being a big one. So like
you said or Greg had mentioned 70 to 90%
of autism is believed to be genetic.
These studies started looking at family
units. So they would you know the best
kind of family unit study is on twins.
But if you can't do that sort of the
second best is like look at siblings.
Let's look at families where maybe they
had like a database I think of two and a
half million kids here over the course
of I think 26 years. This is a study
from Sweden who like tracks a lot of
their health data regardless. Um, and
they so basically it's like let's track
what drugs the mother was taking, their
health, if they were taking
acetaminophen, maybe they took it for
one kid but didn't for the other. And
then when they start looking at these
genetic variables, they realize the
acetaminophen claims flatline. it's no
longer accounting for the rates of
autism,
especially in the high rates that will
be touted from that consensus statement,
etc. Also, there's a strong or sorry
again, I shouldn't use those words, but
there is a link between infections
during pregnancy and your child having
autism. So, that's another confounding
variable. If you are a mother who has an
infection, you're going to more likely
take Tylenol, but it's actually the
infection that is increasing the amount
of autism, right, in your kid, not the
Tylenol or the acid.
Now, like, of course, and and we're not
like the scientists. This is the
scientific process. There are studies
that still find these links, right? It
doesn't mean that there's 0% impact.
We're just seeing with these bigger
studies, okay, it's probably not like
30% of her.
It's not explaining the drastic rise in
autism in recent years, which is the
thing that I think no matter what, we
can't get around. Yes. And also
trying to blame it on acetaminophen is
the part that is actually crazy to to
that drastic increase onto
acetaminophen. Some people are trying to
say it's just that and then that's where
you're like, okay, that is completely
false. I one other interesting
confounding variable it's like as we
said genetic if you have an autistic
child you're more likely to be on the
spectrum. It doesn't mean you are
necessarily but you're more likely and
moms or pregnant people on the spectrum
experience more pain during pregnancy
including more migraines and stuff. So
there's all these possibilities. Again
this doesn't mean like studies need to
keep looking into this but if someone's
more likely to experience pain maybe
they're more likely to take painkillers.
Um and so to wrap up like this acid if
in part of course the research will grow
and science is not infallible and yes
pieces come in and out and more
attention will be given to this and I'm
not saying that's a bad thing like if
this current American administration
does fund more research that's
legitimate and isn't like biased
which it's not.
Yeah, we know that they want an answer.
Doesn't mean every study that comes out
that says there is a link is bad. It
doesn't mean everyone that comes out
that says there's no link is good, but
the more studies the the more analysis
we can do. Um, and of course we're not
like medical providers or doctors, but
the general consensus now from these
more recent studies is like if you're
overly concerned and you're pregnant, of
course you can try and avoid. There's
other risks. If you do get sick and have
a fever, for example, like that can also
be really bad for a child. And so it's
like it may be better to look after that
fever instead of letting your body have
that. But it's more like okay if you're
going to take Tylenol for weeks on end
or Advil for weeks on end you might be
playing a riskier game. So of course if
you have it once in a while your doctor
probably would say hey if you just have
like are feeling a fever for a couple
days
to your doctor folks do not use Tik Tok.
Yeah. Also, it's unbelievable how hard
it is to find any val. Like, I was like,
"Okay, but like la look into autism and
vaccines." Literally nothing. It's like
it's like it's not even part of the
conversation. It's quite horrifying to
think about how much it's been co-opted
online. people even in our video there's
no correlation between vaccines and
autism. Like I'm just like it's I'm
saying I'm I'm going to start talking
now about how there is a correlation
between pollution and autis like I'm
about to talk about studies that there
are some things that are not explaining
the drastic increase but they're kind of
like oh there's something here even
there is something there. the vaccine
thing. It's like there's actually
nothing which is so frustrating because
it is probably the most popular concept
online is that vaccines cause pervasive.
Yes. And it's just like kind of scary
when I'm like there's no scientific
evidence at all. And I mean like I can
feel weird like of course I want to be
empathetic to like new parents and
people who go through traumatic
experiences and and the thing is like
vaccines that protect and save kids
lives are given when they're young and
so
a parent who might have a developing
child and feel like their behavior isn't
keeping track with others gets
vaccinated and that they're building
this own correlation in their mind. Um,
that's a big part of it is that when
people study why someone might think it
was the vaccine, it's because when
people are diagnosed with autism,
they're usually around the same ages
when they get childhood vaccines. It's
that simple. It's like just a it's just
like, oh god, just like an annoying
coincidence.
Yeah. And I mean, obviously, even with
vaccines in general, like even if you
got your flu vaccine, like you might
have aches and pains after that. Like
some people do have reactions to them.
Obviously, on the whole, vaccines have
been studied for hundreds of years and
are constantly pushed for safety
regulations because they're like a
really intense thing to put into healthy
people and healthy children. So, they're
highly regulated unlike many other
industries where you're taking pills and
doing things that are supposed to like
make you feel better.
Vitamin.
Yeah. Um,
I forgot what I was going to say. It's
just that like you might have what I
take from is like the flu vaccine for
example is like a lot of my friends
won't take it cuz I'm like I took it
once and I felt sick for a day. But what
those people aren't realizing is that
then come January they got a horrible
flu and they get really sick and they're
not thinking oh I didn't if only I'd
gotten my vaccine. Like I've noticed
that a lot cuz I always get my flu
vaccine. Some people like in my life
they go in and out of it and there will
be times in January where they'll get
sick and I remind them like I'm not
sick.
That happened to me this year. I think I
said it on the pot. I'm embarrassed to
admit it but I was when I would normally
get my flu vaccine this year. I was
traveling for a few months and I think
in my mind I was like I'll have to just
get it when I get back and I didn't. And
I had like my worst sickness I've had in
a long time. and I was in the house with
you and all these things and I was like
this is an important thing to this is
what people need to think about cuz it's
so easy to think I got the vaccine and
then I felt like kind of weird for 12
hours or I got a little bit of a
headache the next day it's like okay but
that's like scientifically
and then I caught the flu and got a
little sick but maybe it's like you
might have had it ways
I was sick coughing feeling so awful it
was like and I was so mad at myself you
know you just like when you go so many
years without having to think about it
either cuz I had the vaccines or just
like got lucky by not being exposed
certain years. This year was such a
reminder for me of like I can't let that
slip my mind again and I won't make that
mistake again cuz I got so sick. Um and
of course that's just one data piece.
I'm not trying to like say my experience
is for everyone, but based on what you
see from research like that vaccines
protect sickness then they you might
still get catch it, but you're probably
then in that case going to have less
severe symptoms. Um
so okay so now there have been some
researchers like one study on 8,000
children said that their found that if a
mother had a higher exposure to ozone
levels it was associated with increased
autism. So that's like a pollutant
that's actually decreasing overall in
general in the public. So that doesn't
explain the large increase in the recent
years. But pollution does have an effect
unlike vaccines which has zero effect on
autism. Let's just like reiterate that.
Heavy metals for example can also have
an effect on the baby. Same with um uh
so for example like the heavy metal
would maybe somehow be exposed to the
mother which would make its way into the
fetus. But again heavy metals are also
decreasing in the general public like
lead like all the sort of quote unquote
environmental factors that
seemed legitimate
seem legitimately bad are all decreasing
in our populations where we're seeing
autism increase. So it's just not making
sense. Also, it's extremely rare that it
it causes, you know, um, autism because
because it's rare to just get heavy
metals in you.
Another interesting one was screen time.
And they did find some studies that did
find kids who were having symptoms or
whatever of autism, like maybe having
trouble holding eye contact or something
like that. After they decreased screen
time, they were better at holding eye
contact. But all those studies ended up
coming with interventions with parents
about how to interact with your kid. So
they weren't able to differentiate if it
was the screen time or actually parents
getting
help with how to talk and sort of
mitigate their kids.
Yeah. And that's an interesting point
too and this this is probably true of
other kinds of conditions or even well
maybe not diseases but where
multiple
issues can conflate to have similar
symptoms, right? So like maybe screen
time like and obviously this is why like
definitions are important and structures
uh from like doctors and health
professionals because like maybe screen
time does have an
effect on the way someone's brain
develops or their social capacity
which may not mean that they're like
genetically autistic. you know, like
they may not even got it from the
genetics, but maybe there's like an
environmental factor like screen time
that has affected their development in
terms of their communication. And maybe
maybe a scientist or a health
professional would say, well, okay,
definitionally that still falls into
like what we're calling autistic. But
like you said, in that case, maybe
they're able to work with certain
therapies through parent counseling and
that sort of stuff to work on that
whereas there might be genetic cases
where it's different. You know what I
mean? like that it's a harder barrier to
break through.
Okay, so now we are going to explain to
you the real reason why there is an
increase in autism because there is an
answer and then we're going to get into
why RFK is denying this and why truly
RFK sorry Junior is evil and completely
like you actually everyone needs to be
warned about what is happening as we go
into this time where there is I guess an
authoritarian government in America and
we just have to keep talking about that.
Okay, so the real reason is due to
diagnostics and the mega movement, maha
movement is going to be lying to you
about this and Nature magazine has come
out with a whole
essentially article constantly trying to
explain like okay we're under attack by
these politicians who are just going to
lie to you at this point because there's
there's no
this is the reason.
Okay.
So in the 1960s in order to be
considered autistic you had to be
non-verbal. So then obviously that would
be way less people being considered
autistic.
Yeah.
In the 1980s the diagnos diagnostics
started to include people who were
hyperfixated on specific things and who
couldn't really rein that in when they
were around other people. But also it's
important to know that in the 1980s in
order to have autism you had to be
diagnosed as a kid. You were not
allowed. There was no adult diagnosis.
And then also something kind of funny
was like in the article mentioned this
is when the Rainman came out like in
1988 I think was the movie
the Rainman is
oh
like I know it's a movie sorry it's like
someone who's like the way that he acted
was the way that people would have at
the time been like that's someone with
described an autistic person. Okay.
Um
in the 1990s uh there was the minimum
number of criteria uh got higher. So
essentially like it was easier to become
considered diagnos diagnosed with
autism. In like 1994 it changed
in 2013. Asberers was no longer
separated from autism. It was looped
into ASD. So all of a sudden now even
more people are becoming diagnosed with
ASD.
One study found that uh from 1980 to
2011 to 2011 60% of the increases were
all considered due to diagnostic
testing. Okay. And I think just simply
because more people are being diagnosed
with it for all the reasons you've just
stated doesn't mean like suddenly more
people like
no it's like if someone has aspberers
they're now considered they have there's
no such thing as they have ASD. So now
the ASD community has grown.
So then to consider what could have been
happening since 2011, the general
consensus is that it all has to do with
an increased awareness of autism, a
declining stigma among teachers and the
broad public broader public, increased
diagnostic testing and support services.
So now as a teacher, you're going to be
more vigilant about who might have an as
like ASD because there's more resources
for them. There's a way you can talk to
the parent and say, "And this is what we
can do for them to help them." In the
past, it would be like, "Your kid is
having problems in school. They're a
problematic child." Now, it's like, "Oh,
they actually might h have ASD. Here are
all the positive ways that we can help
you."
Um, and then on top of that, parents are
seeking diagnosis for their kids more
often than ever before, cuz when their
kid is being told when they're being
told by a teacher that their kid is
having problems, they immediately will
go to like the concept of ASD cuz we're
all talking about it. Another thing that
over the general trend overall is that
in the past it was considered that women
and little girls could not have autism
completely overlooked. So now only
recently is it become normalized to even
consider it for women and little girls
which is just another reason why you're
like science is so sometimes.
And then one of the biggest things that
they see now is just the ability for
adults to then get tested and decide if
they have ASD or not. In the past again,
it was only children and all of that is
encompassing what scientists and
researchers are calling an epidemic of
diagnosis, not an epidemic of autism.
Yes. So, one of the most important um
researchers has decided to try and say
it like that cuz he knows it's being
co-opted as an epidemic, but an epidemic
of diagnosis
and okay, so
RFK Jr. literally said that the increase
in the autism spectrum disorders that
they are seeing are severe, which is an
absolute lie. The increase in ASD
disorders that are causing all the
drastic changes in statistics are due to
minor versions of it where people still
have jobs, they're still working. And
then so RFK Jr. also said, "What's the
reason we need to figure out why this is
happening is cuz these people, they
can't hold a job, they can't pay taxes."
that really pissed off the ASD community
who was like that is complete
brainwashing of what this actually is
and is completely evil. And then on top
of that, they're now doing this $50
million
prize grant, this is what they're trying
to say, funding research to figure out
the cause of autism. while
simultaneously since the beginning of
2025 when Trump was elected, they've
decreased the actual research on autism
and potential treatments and ways to
help with it by $62 billion.
So again, they're lying. They're just
they're just sorry, not 62 million.
Sorry. They're giving a $50 million
grant while completely defunding the
research that talks about improving
these people's lives and actually
dealing with what happens. So they're
trying to pave a way. Okay, this is what
researchers and scientists are scared of
to bring in vaccine hesitancy to blame
it on vaccines
cuz they just want an answer
cuz they want an answer and they and RFK
Jr. is a liar. He's untrustworthy and
he's antiax and he wants to create an
antivax campaign and they want to use
autism as the reason. So they're trying
to create doubt by including decreasing
the grants. So, so many scientists who
are studying ASD and how to deal with it
in America have now lost their jobs and
lost all of their funding while they've
brought in this other source of funding
to only look at one aspect of it, which
is the cause. And a lot of autistic
people are really upset because they
some autistic people are like, "We don't
really care what caused this. We want to
figure out how we can live our lives
better." Like, what why are you focusing
on this? It's cuz they don't actually
care about people, which we you like
hopefully people are starting to
realize. They care about an agenda and
an authoritarian look at science. And
then there's so much more happening like
the person at the CDC resigning recently
after pressure from RFK Jr. to release
results about vaccines that were in that
were not true. So the science coming
from RFK Jr. and the American government
is extremely scary. It's completely made
up and it's about an authoritarian
regime taking over power in subtle ways.
And autism is being used as a scapegoat.
And the last thing I'll say is that
there's a specific committee called the
inter agency autism coordinating
committee which is supposed to allow
people who suffer from ASD to be in
these conversations. They have not been
consulted at all this year by the Trump
administration have been completely
ostracized from any of this discussion.
So the reason that we're going to have
to keep talking about and have episodes
like this is that we are living through
a really men like menacing time where
like autism is being used
and co-opted to push an antivax campaign
campaign which is actually just about
building individualistic looks at the
world to have an authoritarian regime
take over America. It's it's
yeah I mean it's happening it's
happening with much more than just
autism too. I think like there's many
issues like this that this
administration in America and movements
around the world
Canada and right movements
but specifically obviously like the US
government is such a big force in this
world and the people that are in it
using these kind of also like wedge
controversial issues to pass kinds of
legislation that matter to them for
forms of control who can have access to
funding and all these kinds of things.
Um, and it is like super nefarious and
scary. I the one thing I want to say is
like there is a much more interesting
conversation around like the age of
diagnosis. There's a book I started
reading about this that's fascinating
and it's like the question of whether is
this overdiagnosis a bad thing? Is it a
good thing? Like sometimes when
somebody's diagnosed can like the book's
kind of touching on like there's
somebody who didn't know they had this
specific issue. I can't remember. It's
like a very um niche disorder. They only
found it when they were older versus
somebody who found it when they were
younger and how that can change their
lives, right? And like of course these
are disorders that are on the cusp of
how much do they actually affect your
life? Like of course if you have extreme
ASD and people are going to notice and
you're going to need attention much
earlier. Um but just this idea of like
if I for example was and many people
make jokes on this podcast about me like
being on the spectrum somewhere. It's
like if I actually found out I was or if
you actually found out you have ADHD,
how does that change your life and is it
for the better always? Right.
Um and I think there's like interesting
conversations around like the world we
live in and how people self diagnose on
the internet and that of course makes
them go to their doctor and look for
these kinds of things and their doctors
might like
give them that test and maybe they have
it. So I I just think like there are
interesting conversations around there
and it's not to say shut that down.
No, no, of course not. But like it's
just so sad that we can't have new it's
going to be harder and harder to have
nuance conversations about anything in
regards to science when it's being
completely attacked which is the
frustrating part about this situation.
Okay. I feel like that was
honestly like all the information that
like is probably necessary for right now
and we will be continuing to have to
probably like talk about this. And it's
like I think it's worth saying it's
Friday September 19th when we recorded
this cuz like
lots of news changes.
Oh my god. just reading it. They're like
literally looking into like not giving
hepatitis B vaccines and And
anyways,
go watch our video on vaccines. By the
way, just came out because it will
address their effectiveness.
Yes. And maybe like send it to friends
and family. Oh my god. I don't know. We
like it's like it's so exhausting to be
back in a place like Oh my god. I just
want to talk about fun
I know. Well, our next episode will make
like more light-hearted and fun.
Yeah. You know, it's nice to go back and
forth.
Okay. Thanks for listening.
Thanks for listening. Send this to
people who need to hear it. That's a B.
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