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blacksburg virginia is this pretty small
town
surrounded by rural areas it's kinda out
there
and the people who live in blacksburg
thirty thousand of them are college
students at virginia tech university
and just 15 000 are permanent residents
what this community has to offer is that
small town living
where you know your neighbors where you
have easy access to services
not a lot of traffic kim thurlow works
on housing initiatives for the town of
blacksburg
and she says homes there are flying off
the shelf right now
so average days on market for a for sale
home
is less than one right now less than one
day
less than one day kim says there are
just about 27
homes for sale in blacksburg right now
and 10 of those homes haven't even been
built yet so
there's just very little housing stock
at any given time
and that is causing a rise in prices and
it's
causing a bidding war kim says the
median income for blacksburg is
89 000 and making that she says you
could afford to buy like a
270 000 home but homes are going for
much more than that the average home
being sold
for new construction was 435 000
in blacksburg we're like we're
reaching the half a million mark here
yep
wow yep that's depressing it is a bunch
of homes in
tiny blacksburg are going for over a
million even
all over the u.s the small towns the
rural areas the big coastal cities
home prices are going up and up and
there's a simple reason
there just aren't enough homes for
everyone who wants one
do you see the housing shortage ending
anytime soon not in the next decade
not in the next decade like 20 31
fun right hello and welcome to planet
money i'm sarah gonzalez
and i'm erica barris today's national
housing supply shortage has actually
been decades in the making
today on the show three big reasons for
the housing shortage
and why it's gonna take so long to solve
it a lot of people
blame baby boomers but is it really
their fault
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one of the reasons there's so much
interest in housing right now is because
interest rates are historically low
so if you can afford to buy an
overpriced house now's the time to do it
now in a healthy housing market you'd
have about
six months of housing supply but
according to a report last month from
harvard
there's currently less than two months
of housing supply in the u.s which is
very very tight by historic standards we
are talking record low
inventory there are just over a million
homes for sale
which is 3.8 million homes short
of what we need to meet demand so why
aren't there more homes for sale
the first big reason kind of does come
down to a battle between generations
baby boomers versus millennials boomers
are in the late 50s 60s and 70s so some
of them are retired but many of them are
still working
and boomers are a huge generation
millennials are in their 20s and 30s
some are even 40.
right so millennials are in like their
prime
home buying years and they're an even
huger generation and they are ready
to buy homes but there's a problem
boomers kinda own too many of the homes
right now
they have the biggest share of real
estate wealth in the us 44
of it even though they're just 28
of the adult population so this chapter
are boomers the problems
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all right here's what previous
generations did they got older
and they sold their homes they moved in
with their kids or to a nursing facility
or
they downsized to like a little condo or
whatever but boomers
are not doing that they are choosing to
grow old
in their homes so some people are like
sell your homes already boomers
make room in the market for the next
generation but
not everyone feels this way so quran
you're here to basically defend baby
boomers they're not
who we should blame for our housing
supply shortage
yes i think it's very very unfair maybe
boomer generation is just not
creating the housing shortage quran call
is a housing supply specialist at the
urban institute
housing shortage problem is a
multi-pronged problem can i ask if
you're a baby boomer i'm not you're not
okay
i just had to ask karan says there's a
few reasons boomers aren't selling their
homes
for one thing they're healthier than
previous generations so many don't need
to move in with their kids or into a
nursing home
also boomers don't want to move they
like their grocery store
their friends their social activities
they want to stay where the action is
yeah i mean the baby boomer generation
they're
you know they're in their 60s and their
70s they're not like 80s and 90s right
like
many of them are still working it it's
sort of i mean it makes sense that they
are not ready to sell their homes
because they still have a lot of life
left to live
oh yeah absolutely and people are you
know they're living longer
uh their their health is in better shape
and those are all good things and you
should we should celebrate those things
you know we can't force people to you
know move out and live in places
uh where they don't want to live we just
need to
find more housing for younger folks and
quran says even if those healthy boomers
did choose to sell their homes down and
downsize to a condo
they'd still need to find some other
place to live they probably just buy a
different home
and you might think like well they could
just become renters but if they do that
then you just create
more demand for rental housing and rents
will go up
even more than they already have and on
top of that people don't usually go
from being homeowners to renters the
point of
all of this is if you just reallocate
people from one type of housing to
another
you're not solving the problem in the
long run the problem is we have
more people wanting to live in homes
than we have homes
the obvious answer is build more homes
right
if there weren't enough peaches in the
u.s we'd grow more peaches if there
weren't enough tvs we'd make more tvs or
at least
you know china would make more tvs right
so we should make
more housing we should build more
housing but
we can't and this is where things maybe
do
come back to the boomers a little bit
i'd say the the one area where
we can kind of point the finger at
boomers is that they have tended
not to allow change in their
neighborhoods
chapter two
still a little boomery but really in the
end we're all boomers
jenny schutz is an economist at the
brookings institution
and she says baby boomers have tended to
block new housing developments
they haven't really wanted anything in
their neighborhoods other than
stand-alone
single-family homes yeah i mean i i
blame them more for their political
behavior for an opposing new development
than for wanting to live in their houses
and asian place
remember when we said boomers aren't
moving into smaller condos when they get
older
well there actually aren't that many
condos for them to move into
you literally can't add more homes to a
neighborhood
because the older residents who live
there won't let us build it
listen this is totally rational behavior
you buy a house
it's in your interest for there to be
fewer houses around you
that makes the value of your home go up
and homeowners have a say in what kinds
of homes get built
and where because these decisions are
all made at the local level by
city councils and county supervisors so
a developer will tell a city
i want to build a new apartment complex
on this corner and
existing residents jenny says usually
homeowners who tend to be white tend to
be male
and are older will say i don't want it
it's going to change the feel of my
neighborhood it's going to bring traffic
or
schools are already overcrowded whatever
they oppose it and
local officials side with them so we
know that this happens
you know replicated over and over in
neighborhoods across the country
but collectively then that means we're
not building enough housing in the
places where people want to live
well what about like what about the city
council members though like why do they
listen to older constituents
so much yeah so city council members and
mayors and county supervisors are also
homeowners
and they tend to be older too so their
personal experience is a lot closer
to the homeowners who are saying don't
change my neighborhood
they're part of the generation that's
pushing back i'm curious do
do we all just become baby boomers and
act like baby boomers and
the older we get we just end up blocking
new housing it does seem to be true that
once people buy
houses they become a lot more resistant
to change in their neighborhoods i mean
they say that we become our parents as
we get older
that's probably true all right so
blocking new housing
goes way back of course stems from
racism and redlining
and policies meant to prevent black
people from buying in white
neighborhoods so boomers did not
invent blocking new development but
their opposition to
more housing and different kinds of
housing has led to some
really hard to undo zoning laws
oh yeah it's illegal to build anything
other than a single family detached
house
on the majority of land even in big
cities across the country
so in most of the us you are not allowed
to have town houses or duplexes or
triplexes or mobile homes
no apartments no condos no tiny homes no
granny flats in most
of the us and pretty much everyone
agrees we cannot get out of the housing
crisis
without changing some of these zoning
laws and
kind of amazingly jenny says some of
these zoning laws are starting to change
minneapolis just decided to allow
duplexes and triplexes
oregon now allows duplexes same with
raleigh in north carolina
it sounds so weird to hear oh north
carolina has made it legal to build
duplex like why
why has it not been legal to build a
duplex that's exactly the question why
did we ban
most forms of housing on most land and
yes some places are starting
to unban other forms of housing but even
in those places
there still aren't enough houses the
reason why
is the final chapter of the show we'll
get to that after the break
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last reason for the housing shortage the
u.s doesn't have enough people who know
how to build houses and it goes back to
the 2008 housing crisis
during the great recession there were
just a glut of homes on the market they
were losing value
it didn't make sense to build more
houses so we didn't
the u.s under built for years
in the great recession we stopped
building houses
the construction industry basically shut
down if you just look at the number of
homes built in the u.s
in the years before the housing crisis
we were building around
2 million new homes each year
in the years after the housing crisis we
were building like
500 000 homes and like 900 000 homes
so that is at least a million homes
each year for years that didn't get
built
and all this sends a pretty clear
message to people who might have gone
into the construction trades
there may not be a job here for you
right so the construction trades are
things where you go in as an apprentice
you build up experience and skill and
after you know 10 years you become a
master plumber
electrician carpenter so we lost kind of
a whole
cohort of people going into the
construction trades
that takes a long time to fix so now
we're in a situation where we need to
build
more homes fast but there's not enough
skilled people to do it
kim thurlow the housing manager in
blacksburg who we heard from at the
beginning of the show
she called it a trades crisis she's
dealing with it right now
we are really lacking skilled trades in
our area
so we are having to pull on contractors
and subcontractors
from outside of our region which just
increased
the cost overall for the development
they also have to wait a lot for
plumbers and electricians and carpenters
to be free
and ready to work so that adds to the
costs and for kim this comes down to
something else which is that for decades
students were encouraged to go to
college and get white-collar jobs not go
into the trades
and it's not true that trades
will make less money than many white
collar jobs
i can tell you that right now in this
community so
like a lot of places around the country
blacksburg is now trying to get people
to go into the construction trades again
they have an initiative to help offer
community college for free to people
going into the trades
but it's going to take some time it's
going to take a decade
to try and reverse that issue a bunch of
experts agree
it will take years to catch up we just
won't be able to build
enough homes fast enough so millennials
if everything goes well great news looks
like we'll all be able to buy homes
just around the time we're about to
retire great timing
i don't know that sounds like pretty
good news for gen z though yeah it's
like right in time for them
we didn't mention gen x at all erica
they're used to being forgotten
oh are you you're you're gen x right
you're you're basically gen x
you can say that you're putting that in
the story
she's a cusper she's a cusper
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bryant first that is our show editor i'm
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