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Okay, so I have the fondue pot. I just

need an outlet, an hour for the

chocolate to melt, uh, a serving spoon,

and dude, do you guys have those those

like big stick things?

>> We just asked you to bring napkins. He

does this every time.

>> This is a hot dog is a sandwich.

>> Ketchup is a smoothie.

>> Yeah, I put ice in my cereal. So what?

>> That makes no sense.

>> A hot dog is a sandwich.

>> A hot dog is a sandwich.

>> What?

>> Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a

Sandwich, the show we break down the

world's biggest food debates. I'm your

host Josh Sharer and today we have

award-winning actress and filmmaker Brie

Larson and chef food writer and the

founder of Ruin Table Courtney McBroom.

They're co-authors of Party People, a

cookbook for creative celebrations and

also amateur hot dog ontologists.

So, we need to address the elephant in

the room here that we have all not only

debated whether or not a hot dog is a

sandwich. And I know you two are still

very divided on that, but we've also

participated in a democratic exercise um

around a pool on whether or not a hot

dog is a sandwich. Where do you two

stand?

>> I firmly believe that a hot dog is its

own thing. And I know hot dog is a

sandwich. By definition, a hot dog is a

sandwich. So, I don't even know why

people are even having this

conversation.

>> I'm talking about

>> it's it's like the definition of a

sandwich is something that is in between

two slices of bread.

>> Can someone pull up a dictionary and

tell me if that's true or not?

>> Hold on. Hold on. Now we're we're

getting we everyone pause. Take a deep

breath. You two love each other. You're

creative collaborators, your friends.

You know,

>> are we going to make sit in a fight? But

like I'm honestly sweating and I'm like

not

>> I'm taking off the jacket conversation.

>> I'm taking off the jacket to reveal the

official a hot dog is a sandwich

political slogan t-shirt because I'm

also on this side.

>> Thank you.

>> But if we're talking about dictionaries,

we get into what's called prescriptivism

versus descriptivism. Does a dictionary

define what something is or does a

dictionary describe what a mass populace

has already decided something is? The

term literally is a great example of

descriptivism versus prescriptivism. The

definition of the word literally has

actually changed because people use the

term literally so figuratively so often.

>> Wrong.

>> So now, well, is it wrong or is it just

a changing definition? So the term

sandwich I think we have there. I think

you both have great points.

>> I've ultimately decided that

>> the question comes down to are humans

animals,

>> right?

>> What do you think? Are humans animals?

Yes. Well, well, here's my question to

you. What's an animal?

>> The dictionary. No, but I mean, we um

you have to sort of ask yourself like

why do we define something? You know,

>> well, that's the tr that is that is

true. Why do we need to define

something? I mean,

>> I think that you're fair enough, you

know, and and fair enough. But

>> fair enough.

>> And here's what I would say about why we

need to define something.

>> Because it's great fun. because what the

hell else are we going to do with our

time? But we would constantly just be

like, "Can you hand me that

thingamajig?"

>> Yeah.

Yeah.

>> And you'd be like, "What? A sandwich?"

And you'd be like, "Yes, it's a

sandwich." And then I would hand you a

hot dog.

>> It's just sick.

>> There's also legal reasons like

>> are animals. I think humans are a type

of animal. Much in the same way that I

believe that a hot dog is a type of a

sandwich, even though a hot dog is also

very much its own thing. And I would

argue humans are their own things, too.

>> 100. I I 100% agree. But then they're

>> Do you think Okay, I have a question for

you both. Do you think a hot dog has

consciousness?

>> Wow.

Are hot dogs conscious?

>> Because many people would say that's

what kind of divides humans and animals

is like we have consciousness, etc.,

etc. So, sorry. Is the question evolve

from is a hot dog a sandwich to is a hot

dog human? Because

>> we're drawing a weird triangle right

now. I think basically what I would like

to introduce to you all today is the

theory that perhaps hot dogs are

actually

>> the snap of the casing is actually the

hot dog screaming in pain as it goes

into your mouth.

>> Yeah.

>> Wait, Josh, tell me what what brought

you to this conclusion that a hot dog is

a sandwich? What was the turning point

for you? Like this is like I feel like

you're getting like it's like when did

you become a creationist?

>> Well, no, a little bit. And I think you

can build a sort of creationist lens out

of this all. But to me, I think it's

almost anti-reationism. I think a hot

dog being a sandwich is actually like

more pure Darwinian evolution. And it

goes into the animals or humans thing.

Um, a hot dog was simply called a

sandwich when it came out. They called

it a Frankfforter sandwich or even a

Coney Island sandwich because at least

in American English, we use the term

sandwich to describe a food that is

portable and that is generally held in

bread that you can likely eat on the go.

And then there's actually legal reason

to define things as such. If you say

have an um anti- uh if you have like a

non-compete clause with vendors that are

moving into a mall, this happened in

Minnesota where a Panera Bread moved in

and said you're not allowed to bring in

any sandwich competitors. And then a

Quudoba moved in and they were serving

burritos and Panera sued them all saying

a burrito is a sandwich because it

functions the same as a quick serve

item.

>> So if you're

>> Yeah.

>> Um they decided that a burrito is not a

sandwich in that case.

>> And I agree with that. I agree with that

too. And here's where my other issue is.

Is Panera a sandwich shop?

>> Well, no, but only with questions and

zero answers. I'm just curious.

>> Wait, wait, if I can get to the

creationism thing really quick. Yeah,

Panera mostly sells soup and lemonade

that kills people. Um,

>> yeah,

>> but uh the creationism thing, I've since

softened on my stance about a hot dog

being a sandwich in the same way that

I've softened on being that really

ardent atheist who was really mad about

people who believed in God when I was 15

because I was a scared teenager who

needed to be right. So now I think when

people talk about a hot dog being its

own thing as opposed to a sandwich, I

think it's the same way people talk

about humans being their own thing aside

from the animal kingdom. Because there

is something special about being human

that separates us from animals. If if

somebody sees me at the hometown defay,

they say, "Josh, stop eating like an

animal." despite the fact that we are

part of the kingdom animeia you know and

if you look at this especially through

maybe even a creationistic lens if you

look at the book of Genesis God granted

man dominion over animal you know so I

think

>> God created me God created hot dog

created

>> like yes and I think humans want to feel

special because otherwise it's a

tremendously frightening existence in

this universe and I think we want hot

dogs to feel special as well because we

have so many emotions tied to them

>> and they are hot Listen,

I think you guys both know how special I

think hot dogs are. I do not think them

as a sandwich makes them any less

special. I know that they're special. I

know that they are deserve their own

place in this world, the separate place.

But again, I als I think of it almost

like genus and species like hot dogs are

hot dogs of sandwich species. Or maybe

it's genus. I don't remember which one's

bigger. Genus is this little like at the

top right of the pyramid. Does evolution

make us more special or does it make us

less special? You know, the fact that we

weren't divinely created or the fact

that against all odds we did evolve from

apes to create consciousness. Both are

beautiful in their own ways.

>> Guys, I thought we were talking about

whether or not like it's like cousin to

the club sandwich and now it's like it's

actually turned into thing. It's like

now you're making me think that hot dogs

are just like sandwich tadpoles. Like

hot dogs are the become the club

sandwich frog. And I'm confused and I'm

I'm delighted. You've also you created a

whole other thing where they you don't

want them to be their own thing because

they're part of like a big family. And

now I'm like am I isolating the hot dog?

Am I part of like this hot dogs are like

sad because if they're conscious then

they're sad that they're not part of

like an entire sandwich family and like

>> well I think who am I to keep them from

their people? I think we can all agree

that hot dogs are conscious though,

right?

>> 100%. That's the thing. Listen, if if we

if life is a simulation, then hot dogs

can certainly be conscious. Um, thank

you for letting me get that off my chest

because I I genuinely have been waiting

to say that for years to sort of update

my own beliefs.

>> No, it was really beautiful.

>> It's a good philosophy.

Really opened my eyes. Seriously.

>> Okay.

>> It's been a long I've been educated like

that.

>> I appreciate that. If you have anything

to educate me on, please.

>> No, I certainly don't.

>> I'veanded long enough. Um, I think there

actually is a thing you can educate me

on. Good segue, Josh. Boom. You two just

published a cookbook called Party

People, and you are expert party

throwers. So, the thing we're talking

about today is one, how to throw a good

party, but then two, if you are a guest

and you are bringing food to a party,

how do you not ruin it? And you have

already seen my style of what I bring to

a party because um you consumed it. Um I

I if you can tell people what I brought

to the annual hot dog fest, I think that

would be illustrative of the point.

It was a hot dog martini. It was a hot

Yeah. Hot dog washed vodka. I believe

you did a vodka martini.

>> That's correct. Yes.

>> Yeah. It was a hot dog washed vodka

chilled glass served up with an olive

twist.

>> It was and a pickle, right? It was a

pickle twist.

>> So, it was um it was it was a it was a

pickle, a pickled chili, uh an actual

hot dog round, and then a cherry tomato

dusted in celery salt.

Right.

>> How could I actual hot?

>> Yeah, there was a tiny

>> It was good. It tasted like a hot dog.

>> It was It was delicious. I wouldn't have

thought of it, but it was incredibly

delicious. And that's what you brought

to our That was the fourth annual hot

dog.

>> Yeah. What will you bring to the fifth

annual? We're really going to do it up

next year, just FYI. Are you already

thinking about it?

>> Well, now I certainly am, but I I don't

I don't know if I can keep um oneupping

myself. So, I think maybe next year I'm

just gonna bring cans of Hormill chili,

>> you know? I think that might be

>> Yeah. No, that's great. If you could

bring a bag of ice while you're at it,

we'd love that. And maybe some extra

pot.

>> Absolutely. But no, like like for real,

if you are showing up to a potluck, what

is your general strategy? And also, how

would you grade my strategy of bringing

um maybe the most insane drink that has

never existed in the history of this

planet?

>> I loved your strategy.

>> Yeah. A+ Yeah. because you leaned into

the theme and this is something we've

been talking with people about a lot on

this tour is like people are really

afraid of a theme or a dress code and

hot dog fest has become its own dress

code because people dress in like hot

dog paraphernalia but also the theme is

we're rallying around hot dogs so

there's lots of conversation it gives

people it's a big bucket of people from

all kinds of different walks of life

some of my friends some of my parents'

friends my sister's friends some friends

of friends of friends and so it creates

this bond where people have a container

to say if you're like randomly standing

next to somebody that you don't know you

go like oh what was your first hot dog

you know I don't know what's your

favorite type of hot dog

>> you were walking into a party where you

like we were walking into a party where

you knew us but there was at least 50

other people you didn't know and you

came in with basically a neon sign being

like I got something to talk about

>> you basically brought fire to the party

yeah

>> and So, it was, I think, an incredible

and as you know, you were it was our

first time ever voting on MVP of the

party and you did receive that award.

>> Thank you so much.

>> Yeah, it was a strong entrance and I

think that's an incredible way to be a

guest especially. It's like, okay, I

don't know anybody I can like try and

fade in the background or I can really

just be like, I'm here. You want to know

me? And everyone did. You made hot dog

martinis and then you laid in the pool.

Yeah. And also that was you're like the

only one in the pool in the pool just

floating around

>> if there's a pool um laying in it. And

and also um I I'm a big fan of eating

pool water soaked chips. Not like fully

soaked like chilic but a little bit of

pool water on the hand. And so I I did

um yeah have a bowl of chips to myself

that I was eating with deliberately wet

pool hands.

>> So I don't know if I don't know if the

details of the performance completely

went noticed.

>> What is it about the pool water that you

like? Is the chlorine chlorine flavor

takes him right back just

like it

>> in talking about you know food and

memories and conversation and

connection. It takes me back to like

throwing you know I grew up in like a

rent controlled apartment complex where

the biggest perk that especially if any

friends with more means came over was we

had like a big pool that had a

clubhouse. You know that we'd

occasionally get kicked out by the

apartment complex security cuz we were

rowdy little kids. But that like feeling

of eating chips with pool hands to me it

just it creates a lot of memories. You

know what I mean?

>> It makes sense to me. Makes perfect

sense to me. Same. I feel like Wait, did

we answer your question before? It was

what what to what not to bring to a part

potluck.

>> Yeah. What what would have been the

worst thing to bring to Except for a

closed off habitat. Yeah. To a hot dog

party.

>> I think like any any like raw fish. Like

I'm not trying to bring like

>> I was literally about to be like a bad

attitude.

>> Yeah. Imagine both of them.

>> Yeah. Like anything that like is you

know me, I always bring my raw fish and

a bad attitude.

But like specifically a potluck because

if you think about potlucks, it's like

okay, you're bringing a dish and it's

like sitting out more or less. M

>> don't just don't bring like like a

sashimi plate I think unless you're like

can back it up with like enough ice to

keep it cool you know cuz that's my

thoughts I like where you're going with

this that you're thinking that like a

potluck is like everyone's doing a self-

sustained thing and it's kind of like

the bit that you did where you were like

oh I need this I need that is like that

is not my fave I am supportive of people

who show up like

we've all been there you know where

you're like trying to go the extra mile

for the party. You definitely want to go

to the party, but

>> boys and girls, it's falling apart. You

know, the wheels are coming right off of

this wagon. And so, you show up and

you're like, "Oh my god, the thing's

filled in the car. I need this. I need

that. I need another container for it."

Like, that happens.

>> However,

do your best to have your together

in the pot. I mean,

>> everywhere else in life, I'm like, let's

let's just be free. But like if this is

a potluck, the idea is that we're

alleviating that everything is on the

host and on the house to handle and that

everybody's bringing something that's

part of the larger hole.

>> Yeah. At some point you are then adding

a burden to the person throwing the

party, right? And that

>> you literally said, "Help me relieve

this burden. I'm having a potluck."

Which is why what you brought was so

good, too, because it was entirely

self-contained.

>> You know what I mean?

>> Yeah. Until you drank it, and then you

weren't

>> Oh, no. not self-contained at all.

>> I I don't know if you remember the other

thing that I brought. I don't mean to

keep talking about myself, but I think

this is a really interesting snapshot of

like how I treat potlucks cuz I brought

the dirty hot dog water martini, but

then I also made a backup batch cocktail

because I was so afraid that people were

like,

>> "What the hell is wrong with you?"

>> What did you make? Did you make a jungle

bird?

>> I did make a jungle bird.

>> Yeah, cuz that's like my one of my

favorite drinks.

>> I didn't get to taste that. I don't

think I knew you brought it.

>> Yeah, I know. I remember it exactly that

you were like scared that the that you

went came out too strong with your hot

dog martini

>> hot dog festival and so you also were

like if this doesn't work out I have a

something to fall back on which you know

that's nice. I appreciated it cuz I love

a jungle bird. You know you didn't need

to fall back on it and the jungle bird

was very much appreciated by me. My

biggest regret in life is I didn't get

to taste that jungle bird. Oh shoot.

Guess we're going to have to have a

party again. It's going to be my backup

cocktail exclusively for the rest of my

life. Anything I make, I'm like, "And at

least here's liquor that I know tastes

good that you can enjoy."

>> Hey, can you tell me what's in a Jungle

Bird actually? Cuz I don't even know. I

mean, it's rum.

>> Yeah. So, it's typically like a dark

rum, like a black strap rum, and then

it's pineapple juice, lime juice, simple

syrup, and kari is the thing that like

really makes it a jungle bird.

>> That's what I was wondering. I was like,

"What is that's the red part? That's not

too far off from our party people

punch." No, it's not. I mean, there's a

little bit there's some more ingredients

in the Party People punch, but you know,

again, they're of the same family.

>> Yeah.

>> Oh, and I've drank plenty of the Party

People punch. Um, which is the homemade

fruit punch with added fruit punch to

increase the amount of fruit punch fruit

punch.

>> It's fruit flavored fruit punch.

>> It's true. I've never thought about it

that way. It's like you make a fruit

bush and then you add fruit punch.

>> It's almost like adding condensed milk

to your milk, which is delicious. Then

you get like a late chase cake. In all

of your years of hosting parties, and I

love how much you sort of like almost

write about academic theory behind like

partying in the importance of community

and gathering in the book, have you ever

had any just like horrible disasters at

a party?

>> Yes.

Yes. It's a good one though. Um, I used

to host a dinner party every month at my

house when I was like in my early 20s

and

I remember going to a liquor store and

being like, I need to get a bottle or

something, having people over and the

guy at the liquor store was like, I know

what you can get, but I don't know if

you can handle it. And I was like, what

do you mean? He was like, if you buy

this bottle, it's going to get weird

tonight. And I was like,

>> was it for loca? What was it?

>> It was straga. What is that?

>> Have you ever heard of?

>> No.

>> It's a highlighter yellow like leour.

>> It's like lemon cello for a loco

basically. It's like

>> super sugary and super high alcohol

content

>> and boy oh boy did that party get crazy.

It was like multiple people puking into

the same toilet. No,

>> it was like a best guy friend of mine

like basically professing his love for

me and being like, "Oh no, it's all

getting weird. Everything's getting

weird." And the guy at the liquor store

told me that it would. And you know

what? I had another party like many

months later and I opened a bottle of it

and it also got weird because I was

like, "Surely that was just a

coincidence." So, I will say that one of

my hot party tips specifically for your

podcast is unless you want it to get

really weird and real, don't have Straga

at the party.

>> Or maybe definitely.

>> Yeah, it's your choice. But I'm just

saying it will be weird.

>> It will be weird. It will be weird. I

think my biggest party fail is actually

in the book is the one time it was my

friend Leslie's. It was her bachelorette

party. We all went to Ohigh and we were

like grilling and doing stuff. This was

years and years and years ago. And um we

were getting hammered and I put a bunch

of zucchini down on the grill and then

we proceeded to just get shitfaced. And

um the next morning I wake up and I'm

like and I like and I think we're going

to grill burgers for lunch too. I open

the grill and like there were the

zucchini just like on the grill. They'd

been there all night. They had turned

into completely into like charcoal

briquettes. Um, and thank God like we

didn't burn the house down, but

>> y

>> I was like, "Wow, I shouldn't be

grilling after having that much alcohol

that I would just We all just forgot."

>> Yeah. Don't cook and drink that much

alcohol.

>> No.

>> It's kind of It's kind of my biggest

passion and hobby though is cooking. And

now, now that I know I can introduce

Straga into my life and make that really

weird.

>> Oh boy. Oh boy. I can't wait. Bring it

to the next hot dog fest.

>> Yeah. Straga next hot dog fest. Let's do

it.

>> Oh, we're going to do we're going to do

like like a a mustard based straga

cocktail and it's going to be good.

>> I like it.

>> Isn't straga like So when you said

straga, I thought of Stragaona, the

children's book. And doesn't that mean

it's not

>> It's like the witch I think.

>> Yeah, the witch. So is the bottle like

the means like the witch?

>> Yeah.

>> Whoa. Yeah.

>> Oh, we should drink that for Halloween.

It's

>> I'm scared, but I'll try. I think I I

was kind of thinking back to like my own

weird drinking cooking disasters, but I

think they all end up being a story,

which is the thing that like you kind of

want out of a party, but I recently did

um me and all my best friends from

college, we keep in touch basically

through a fantasy football league. And

so every year we do a fantasy football

draft party where we get an Airbnb in

some kind of inclusively

not fancy location. So instead of going

to Vegas, we'll go to Reno, Nevada. We

we do that. And so we went to Pismo

Beach up on the central coast and we got

an Airbnb. And you know, typically it

kind of falls on me to cook and we'll

just get, you know, 12 pounds of pork

roast and ribs and and figure it out.

Um, but my buddy Nico showed up with uh

10 lbs of rabbit meat that he fabricated

himself.

>> Wow. And

>> wait, what do you mean fabricated? Um,

so he he raises rabbits

>> and he uh

>> rabbits are very they're very

environmentally friendly and they they

breed and if we all ate rabbit meat

instead of beef and pork, the the world

would be better off.

>> I'm wearing bunnies on my dress.

>> I know. I know. Which gets me to my next

point. Know your audience and don't

upset people. Um, do you have

>> I know rabbit tastes great, but it makes

me sad to eat it.

>> Yeah, it does taste good. And also he

had 100 quail eggs cuz he raises quailes

as well.

>> And so for a lot of people quail eggs

are tremendously difficult to actually

cook with because they're so tiny you

got to peel them.

>> But instead um we had a sort of idea

that I was going to make a Vietnamese

braised um quail egg and pork belly dish

and then make a prehispanic rabbit dish

called mishote de kjo. And then all of

we all got

>> as we do, we all, you know, 10 dudes got

drunk uh by about 11 a.m. and we created

an assembly line of people hard boiling

and peeling quail eggs and then people

deboning rabbit meat and we all had a

great time. So it's like one person's

burden of bringing 100 quail eggs, know

your audience cuz we had the best time.

>> I I really like that a lot. I mean the

this is like not as interesting as what

you just said, but we have friends that

do like a LKA party every year and it's

like

>> a tamalei party too.

>> Yeah, but the LKA party is the tumali

party. They make the tumalies. We just

arrive and enjoy tamali's like the lotka

party is big buckets everywhere and you

peel potatoes. That's fun.

>> And it's an all day party where people

come through and they're constantly

making lotas and you're constantly like

everyone's helping cook and it's just

like this group activity and it's so

fun. And that's just a great example of

like the thing that you think is like

not what you're supposed to do as the

host, which is like you have everything

perfect is really stopping a lot of

people from having fun and just like

enjoying.

There's something the lobka party really

like hits for me because it something

feels very ancient about like just

peeling potatoes with like people and

like just talking talking and drinking

and peeling potatoes feels like

>> so part of like deep in our culture and

like maybe somewhere deep down too like

dudes were like boiling and peeling

quail eggs like I don't know.

>> Yeah. and deoning rabbits.

>> Like deoning rabbits makes more sense.

Like but I'm like maybe there were like

you know the men of of yore that were

peeling quail eggs.

>> The men of yore

>> for for sport.

>> Yeah. No sport peeling quail eggs. I've

read about that.

>> You know what else I love as an

interactive party is um like getting a

bag of oysters, throwing them down like

on ice on a table and like throwing a

bunch of shuckers around and people are

just like shucking their own oysters.

>> Cool. That's cool. It's fun. you're

inventing new parties on the daily, but

it kind of goes back to what you said of

people are afraid to have a theme for

their party and they're afraid to like

have a dress code. But I think you're so

right that people crave direction. They

crave an activity. They crave um you

know like restriction. If somebody asked

me just like hey make a good dish or

make a good drink,

>> I wouldn't know what to make. I would

just be stuck if but if somebody says

hey it has to be like hot dog themed um

and it has you know that is then like

really fun because then you can play

with it. I completely agree.

>> Yeah, having a box to work within

creates the best stuff. Like people

always say, think outside of the box,

but I say create a big box and make

someone who generally thinks outside of

the box think inside the box

of things.

>> Oh, that's always say that. She's always

saying

>> you have merch that says that. I've seen

your t-shirt that says all of that.

>> He says it to me all the time.

>> Yeah. Yeah. It's in very small print on

the t-shirt. It's almost like the

optometrist test where like you can't

read the lines, but you do say that

>> that's what a host is. You know, we

think it's like that the host is the one

in charge of everything, but really what

they are is they're setting that the

table like they are creating the

container for people to enjoy the

bouncing around in the the box. the box.

Of course, the box as Courtney has been

talking about the box and has always

been talking about um

>> that and so that can be anything that

doesn't that can be a potluck. Um we

talk a lot in the book about like asking

for help or um making like I really

believe in like making a budget and like

let the box let the box be the budget.

>> Let the budget be the box. Yeah.

whatever it is. Like there's so many

different ways to think about like,

okay, what's the container for all of

this? And then like it helps you make

all of your decisions. And when it's the

two of us, for example, it also helps us

with our own decision tree of how we're

doing this party together is like we

have the same goal in mind. And like we

know we know what we're doing. Like we

know what what kind of party we're

having. And that helps you so much

because you also know how to create that

environment so that when the guest comes

in, they can just immediately

participate in that. Like you didn't

have to walk into hot dog fest to know

how to participate at hot dog fest.

>> No, you're absolutely right.

>> It's very clear.

>> It's clear.

>> This you like you two and party people

has genuinely been so inspirational to

me for hosting parties cuz me and my

wife love to entertain. But we're also

coming out of that era in our lives

where a party was just like we're all

going to get hammered and just you know

people are going to talk about each

other and that's the main you know the

main activity

>> and like that sucks. And now I'm at the

point where I'm like, I want fun and

whimsy and I want direction. I want

people to feel like they're part of a

specific world. So that rules.

>> Thank you. We think so, too. Yeah. And I

think that's part of what the book is

too is it's like there's so many

different ways. Like a party could just

be you and you and your wife watching a

show or like going on a date night or

like you and a friend or you dance party

by yourself or like it's four people.

It's a sit down dinner. It's it's

enjoying a show together. Like it

doesn't all have to be like the fanciest

thing or the biggest lift in the world.

It's just about gathering

>> ultimately. It's about making sure that

like phones away and you hang out.

>> Yeah. And that kind that intention,

right? That's like what drives it.

>> Yeah.

>> Um we're coming up on holiday season big

entertaining opportunities for people.

If you two are invited to a friend's

giving, say that doesn't necessarily

have a theme, what are you going to

bring? What's your dish?

>> Well, I know what I'm gonna do. Go for

it. Go ahead. I almost always every year

make lasagna like my special like making

the pasta from scratch. It's like 20

layers of like really thin bashimal. The

lessons in chemistry lasagna is based on

this lasagna.

>> It's

>> and so that's for sure what I'm

bringing. And you slice it and then you

kind of sear it on one side and you like

see all the layers. This lasagna is

heavenly. I wish that friend's giving

you make that for me because I want to

eat that. Um, I'm going to make a family

recipe, which is um my grandma's uh

potato casserole.

>> And I got to talk with her about what it

what's in it cuz I haven't actually made

it. I've just enjoyed it. But it's I

definitely know that it's frozen frozen

hash browns are the potato and then it's

like

>> I'm sure there's like a cream of

mushroom soup in there and like

>> cheese and then there's like the French

onions on top. Mhm.

>> It's so good. It's so good.

>> I love a casserole.

>> Yeah. I' leave it to us to both pick

like casserolely things because that's

>> that's the best that's

>> the height that's the height of food in

my opinion. I agree.

>> I'm bringing napkins.

>> Oh, as you should. You know what? I like

that.

>> You cook a lot for Finally. We've been

asking for napkins for so long. Finally,

>> we finally brought them.

Speaking of casserles, now it's time to

find out what other wacky ideas are

rattling out there in the universe. And

time for a segment we call opinions are

like casserles. Everyone's got one and

they smell like onions.

Now for the chorus.

>> Onions are like casserles and casserles

are like onions and onions are like your

opinions.

>> But why does everyone have a casserole?

We will never know. Why do people smell

like Why do pinions smell like onions?

That's kind of a silly thing to say.

>> This is what happens when you don't have

adequate rehearsal time. You know, we're

all on different time signatures,

different keys. That's We'll We'll get

there with practice.

>> It's jazz, baby. It's jazz. Are like

jazz.

>> Let's get to that first opinion.

>> Hey, Josh and Nicole. Uh, recently I

went to It's Graham from Georgia. And

recently I went to a family reunion and

one of the like food options there was

some canned pear with some mayonnaise,

>> no

>> cheese and one them little red cherries

on top of it. And I was wondering what

the hell was that and why would anyone

want to eat that?

>> I was wondering what the hell

>> I've heard of this. This is an actual

dish. I can't remember what it's called

but it's a thing. It's a thing that

people make a lot.

>> But I'm shocked because this to me feels

like this everything he said I was like

yes and it's encased in Jell-O. But he

didn't say that.

>> This is a Jell-O situation.

>> It is. But this time there's no Jell-O.

>> Well, so which came first? Did someone

remove the Jell-O from this?

>> No, there was never Jell-O in it.

>> I think this predates jelly. It's

>> No, I'm saying this was first and then

someone jelloified it.

>> Oh, yes. Yeah, correct. And like kind of

for I noticed Courtney, you and I like

both perked up when we heard it because

we're as like longtime career food

sickos. This is a thing. It's called

southern pear salad.

>> Don't know what's southern about it

except for the mayonnaise and the and

the cheese. Um but yeah, this was like

the fact that we have so many fruits

available to eat right now is like so

new in modern history. And so any time

that like say canned fruit company came

out with a new product that was like,

"Hey, we canned pears now." Now, when

it's 1928,

here's how to eat a canned pear. Uh, put

mayonnaise, cheese, and cherries on it

and put it on lettuce.

>> Yeah.

>> Of all the things to do with a canned

pear, you know, of all the things, like

why?

Because people loved mayonnaise.

Remember when we went to London and we

ordered Taco Bell and they sent us

mayonnaise instead of hot sauce?

>> No, that's true. That's true.

>> That's awesome. Yeah, those are not

mayonnaise. Maybe the mayonnaise is like

the jell-o. It's like the base of it.

So, are we saying in the what the hell

is that? I just want to clarify to this

man.

>> Um, I think this is a salad.

>> Yeah.

>> Yes.

>> I think this is classified as a salad.

>> It's like a tuna salad salad kind of

thing, but it's a pear salad.

>> Like a Waldorf. Think of it as a Waldorf

salad cuz but instead of apple, it's

canned pear.

>> It's also kind of a wedge in in

architecture. It's kind of a wedge and

that you have to you have to slice it

and you get to choose your own bites of

you know how much mayonnaise and cheese

do you do you want on that bite of pear

which is never a sentence I've said

>> I wish you said this man was here to we

could have a conversation it wasn't just

a voicemail because I want to know like

eat it

>> you buy it you want you know what I bet

it's good I bet there's a reason why

it's found and it's still being made I

bet it's good

>> I bet it's awesome

>> bite I wouldn't have a bite

I'd leave that

y'all.

>> All right, next voicemail, Jamie.

>> Hi, Josh, Maggie, Nicole. This is Amber

from Buffalo, New York. Um, my food

opinion is that potatoes are overrated.

>> I've never liked potatoes and everybody

always seems to really like them, but

I'm just not a fan like in any form. And

secondly, I always think this every time

I listen to you guys podcast, Nicole

sounds just like the girl from the Bee

Movie, and I cannot get over it. All

right, thanks guys. Welcome to the

podcast. Bye.

>> Nicole is currently on maternity leave,

but we can call her. Uh, she has a sweet

newborn baby, but we can call her to get

her to make sure she sounds like the

>> be Yeah, I want to make sure I

understand the be movie voice situation,

but it's okay. Um, I got to go back and

watch Be Movie so I can figure this out

for certain. I am really taken aback by

this take.

>> I am concerned for this woman. Um, what

do you mean? In all of your travels, in

all of your life, you never found a

single potato preparation that worked

for you. I feel that the world has

failed them.

>> And I'm scared.

>> Yeah. And potatoes are my favorite food.

>> Yeah. Potatoes. Bri says this like I've

heard Bree say this many times. He's not

just saying that. Potatoes of all kinds.

Every form of potato. That's Bree's

favorite food. So,

>> wow.

>> If that's like when people go like, "Oh,

you only can have one food." I'm like

potato. Like just potato category

potato.

>> So, I don't I'm just really confused.

Maybe I'm not the right person to speak

on this hot because I'm like so deeply

in like immaculate potato culture that

like I actually can't I can't look in

this direction. No, I agree with but I

agree with you though. Like how can you

not like any form of potato unless you

have a potato allergy? But I would but

like how do you not like

>> a single there's like not like potatoes

are one of the most versatile foods in

the world that can be made into so many

different things with so many different

other ingredients added to them. How do

you how like I want to know what this

person likes then? Like what is what is

her favorite pear salad?

>> Yeah,

pear salad.

>> I I'm I'm I'm not doing this just to be

devil's advocate. I think I may

understand where she's coming from a

little bit in the sense I know. No, hear

me out. This is crazy. Um

>> be careful.

>> I feel like dude, please do not rescend

my hot dog. I feel like as MVP I um I

have like an automatic admission to the

next one no matter what Harrison about

to say 100%. But like I I think we are

overexposed to a lot of potato

preparations when we're young. Like I

grew up eating so much bad mashed

potatoes and bad tater tots from a

school lunch line. And so I think when

you're kind of overexposed and

especially as you try and find like

quote unquote more interesting foods

like for me I I almost never cook with

potatoes at home which is crazy unless

I'm making a dish that you know like um

what's the the the Peruvian walk tossed.

Why am I blanking on this right now?

>> Papa sala or something. Um, but if for

me like I would rather have like a

palenta than a mashed potato in almost

any in almost any form.

>> I don't like I don't love palenta.

>> You don't like palenta?

>> Palenta is oatmeal.

>> I like grits. Basically I don't like

grits and palenta are basically the same

thing. But for some reason I think grits

palenta always seems too thick and like

like for some reason grits are like a

fried palenta. But we're getting too far

away from the potato and and like I hear

you and I I do get that because

>> potatoes are culturally like just like a

sustenance food. Like they are for like

keeping us alive and not necessarily

being the best the bestly prepared the

mostly prepared food. So I hear you on

that. I just find it like really hard to

believe that like never in your life in

all the French fries in the world of all

the different ways you could have a fry

for example.

>> That that's where I want to press a

little harder because I feel like the

French fry there's like you didn't try

like a crisscross fry. You haven't tried

curly fry, a thick like steak fry.

What about a twice baked potato? What

about like I mean a baked just a reg a

once baked potato?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Just a simply once baked

potato. I don't know. I'm just like it

feels hard to to just be like I think

they're overrated is is like just I

almost need we need to go to another one

because this one's like too that one's

like

>> I need to hear another person talk about

something cuz I'm like that broke my

brain and like I want to send like my

condolences and like the whole potato

community like my heart goes out to that

woman and like please like we are here

for you and we'd love to welcome you in

like I wish that this was not just a

conversation.

>> Yeah. Can we reach out to us? DM us on

Party People and let's like Can we have

a conversation? Can we like potato?

Yeah. Can we like figure this out?

Because

>> that was the most threatening we'll make

you a potato I've ever heard.

>> We'll make you a potato.

>> All right. Next opinion. They're upset.

They're upset.

>> I'm set.

>> Risoto is porridge for snobs.

>> Damn straight. Damn straight.

Yeah. You know what? And from the girl

who just said palenta's oatmeal, I hear

you. And it doesn't mean I I like

risotto.

>> I like risoto, too.

>> I like porridge. I can be a snob

sometimes.

>> What if you think about kanji, though,

which is kind of like

>> I think of as a It's definitely a

porridge, but I also think of as like a

Chinese risoto.

>> It is. But I think if you were I think

we're um especially with like David

Chang and the 2010s and Roy Choy in LA,

I think we're sort of shifting a lot of

this narrative, but like risoto is seen

as like a very fancy dish with a lot of

mythology behind it, right? Anyone makes

risoto on top chef, people go, "Oh, they

can't make risotto

the whole time." Yeah. Whereas not seen

that way.

>> Exactly.

>> What I'm saying is that they are

basically the same. And so I agree that

risoto is porridge, but I don't think

it's necessarily

>> I think

people think it's snobby, but I don't

think it should be. I think it's a

simple easy food and it should be seen

as

>> I think I think people who make risoto

well are snobs.

>> Yeah. I think they think that to do

something honestly like the entire rice

cooking community like I'm like you know

something I don't understand. Like I'm

like I'm making rice roll roll and

rolling the dice. I'm I'm making rice.

I'm praying. Like there are people out

there who are like rice, no problem. Got

it. You know, and I appreciate them. And

I also feel like there's like a little

like hoidy toy in being good at that.

>> Well, I think that um I disagree.

>> Wow.

>> I think that people I think that people

who really know how to cook rice know

how actually easy it is to do,

especially like a rice porridge type of

thing.

>> So, do you think

insecure about rice?

>> No, no, no. I think No. I just like a

really good steamed rice is so hard to

make. But when you're talking about rice

porridge like a risoto or a condandy or

something like that, it's actually

really easy to make. And I think people

>> who don't know well I think people who

make it are and they're being snobby

about it are are um being fake and weird

and like trying to get by with something

that's not Oh, people think this is

hard, but I just made it. I know it's

not, but I can be like I can be big guy

on campus.

>> Yeah. Yeah. the risoto. Exactly.

Exactly. No, I I like that

>> and I agree. Batman was right

>> with the risoto. There's been like a

historic overvaluation of a lot of

Western European foods, you know. Um and

so I think like where they're coming

from might be shaded in that. And as far

as rice cookery goes, so many rice is

the most commonly eaten food around the

entire world. Like they've been growing

it and eating it natively in the

southern United States for a long time.

They've been growing it and eating it

natively in West Africa. I grew up

around a lot of Persian food. Persian

rice cookery with like the long grain

basmati rice is really interesting

because you basically cook it until like

85% done in a giant pot of water like

pasta and then you strain it

>> and then you put it back into a pot to

kind of half finish steaming and that's

what makes Persian rice like so fluffy

and the grains don't cling together. And

so there's just so many different ways

if you look at like aros com pooo or

something like where it's like you know

a dish that's effectively kind of like

finished in the oven or almost halfway

to kind of a paella. There's so many

ways to cook rice and I think people get

hung up on what the perfect rice is as

opposed to what a delicious rice is.

>> Yeah, agree. Again, bringing the people

together.

>> We really are.

>> Yeah.

>> All right, we got in the rice. Let's

let's let's just enjoy it.

>> We got time for one more.

>> Let's do it. Last one. It's got to be a

good one. If if either Bri or Courtney

get upset, we have to go to another one.

>> Hello, mythical friends. Um, I wanted to

give you guys my opinion. Sorry, this is

Cat from Orange County.

>> Hey, G.

>> Um, I wanted to give you guys my uh food

opinion. So, I know you have discussed

at length the musical, I'm sorry,

>> culinary masterpieces of Mormon cuisine

such as funeral potatoes and the dirty

soda. But have you ever heard of the

Mormon ambrosia salad? So essentially

what it is

>> first

>> it's going to be a container of your

cool whips, a container of cottage

cheese, obviously the small curd the

better. And then a package of green

jell-o powder. And then you mix that up.

And then you're going to drain a can of

pineapple chunks. And you're gonna throw

the pineapple chunks in your goopy

cottage cheesy whippy green salad. And

that is the most quintessential Mormon

salad out there. It's their version of

the ambro salad. And it reminds me of

childhood. Anyways, enjoy

>> enjoy

>> enjoy enjoy. Well, I come from a lineage

of Mormons and I can attest to this. The

Ambrosia salad is alive and well.

>> And I would like to add to this if if

she's listening, and I hope that she is.

Is she aware of the candlestick salad?

>> That is something to see.

>> Oh, I am not,

>> Bri. Now I'm upset. That kind of that

kind of ruined my whole day. You thumb

>> It's just a banana dessert. It's just a

banana dessert with a cherry on top.

>> You thumbmed your You thumbmed your

nose. I saw you thumb your nose at the

pear salad from earlier. And you show me

this.

>> You show me this.

>> That is such a good point. I That is

such a good This is its own thing, guys.

Much like a hot.

It is. Is this a Mormon, too?

unclear. Yeah, I think it's more men

andite actually. But but anyway, yes,

the ambrosia salad is for real. Did Did

either of you know about the ambrosia

salad?

>> More into culture.

>> I didn't know about that version. My

grandma made a version that she called

five cup salad, which is a cup of

marshmallows, a cup of coconut, a cup of

sour cream, a cup of mandarin, canned

mandarin oranges, and a cup of light

brown sugar.

>> That would also

>> five cup salad.

>> Five cup salad. That's cute. And it's

good. And it's very much similar. I

think similar vibes.

>> Yeah.

>> I I grew up on Ambrosia because my

family is from the kind of like Menanite

region of like Lancaster County, Lehigh

Valley area. And so I grew up eating

ambrosia salad just kind of thinking it

as like white vaguely Midwestern Silvin

people cooking like church cookbook type

stuff.

>> Um yeah.

>> What's crazy though is I was talking to

a Filipino friend and they were like I

was at actually a potluck of theirs and

they had ambrosia and they're like, "Oh,

this is my favorite Filipino dish." And

I'm like,

>> interesting.

>> Was it different in any way or was it

like the exact same ingredients?

>> I mean, everybody Ambrosia salad,

everybody kind of makes it a little bit

differently with different canned fruits

and marshmallows and sour creams and

whatever, but it was like very I

recognized it as Ambrosia salad. And so

I think the Mormon, like the Mormon kind

of claiming of Ambrosia, the kind of

Midwest Presbyterian church cookbook,

the Filipino, it's all just sort of like

gathered around this uh idea of like

bunch of prepackaged ingredients which

would have been popular in any of those,

you know, kind of cultures. Um, combined

with a love of gathering. And I think

that's sort of beautiful.

>> Yeah. I I think you're so on to

something there. And it's like everyone

kind of takes it as their own because

you at some point you've just grown up

with it. It's not like ambrosia salad.

There's a there's a starting point to

ambrosia salad. You know, it's not the

same thing as like a boiled potato,

which it's like that could go back much

than an ambrosia salad.

>> But I love that different cultures have

taken it as being like their own thing.

>> And part of why it's survived is like

it's it is kind of like church food.

It's the thing where it's like you have

a gathering and it like sits out all day

and it can it can hold because it's not

really

>> perishable in any way.

>> Yeah.

It's kind of interesting too because I

just thought of this like no one's

making ambrosia salad for themselves.

Like they're not just like making

ambrosia salad dinner for two like you

make that you make that to bring to a

potluck. You make that for big large

gatherings.

>> No one just like putting that on a

Thursday night dinner. It really reminds

me of like school gathering, church

gathering, like

>> watching football even. Like there's

something about like it's like getting

together for something.

>> Y'all need to throw an old school like

1920s slightly pre-epression era church

cookbook party. I think that's where

we're going.

>> Trust me, we these are things we talk

about and consider all the time. We're

like, do we want to do a whole book of

recipes that's like, and then you open

this can and dump it in, and then you

open another can and dump it in. Like,

not know, but

>> these are things we think about.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean, I I'll do full cosplay, too.

I'll be like the, you know, kind of out

of town sexy preacher who's coming in

with like new slightly more liberal

ideas. Still incredibly regressive as

seen through a modern show.

>> I'll be like, "Women should be able to

wear pants only on Fridays, you know?"

>> Yeah. And we'll whisper

Uh, Bri, Courtney, y'all are incredibly

awesome. The book is awesome. Congrats

on finally being Pub Day. Uh, you got

anything else to plug?

>> No, please buy our book. Yeah, just

please buy our book.

>> Just please buy our book.

>> We worked really hard on it. We're

incredibly proud of it. Um, and really

excited to have people experience it and

to hear about the gatherings that

they're throwing and hopefully get some

party ideas. Maybe we can maybe you can

open up

>> um your hotline.

>> Yeah, for some party ideas. We come back

on and be like good at good party or

bad. Yes, we throw that or no, we

wouldn't.

>> Canned pear salad party. I think we're

doing it.

>> I'm in pear salad. Well, I was thinking

and you would be the perfect person to

invite over for this of doing like a

chopped party.

>> Oh, that'd be fun. And a canned pear

would be a fun one in a chopped basket.

>> Give me a 100 quail eggs and I'm down.

>> That's what I need.

>> A deal.

>> Deal. Okay. It was great talking with

you.

>> Likewise. Likewise. I'll see you. Bye

>> bye.

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>> Bless you. A good exclamation point on

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dying to get your hands on a last meal's

apron and pin.

Key Vocabulary

Vocabulary	Meanings
hot dog /ˈhɒt dɒɡ/ A1	noun - a cooked sausage, traditionally grilled or steamed and served in a sliced bun
sandwich /ˈsændwɪtʃ/ A1	noun - a food item consisting of two or more slices of bread with a filling between them
debate /dɪˈbeɪt/ B1	verb - to discuss a topic formally, often with opposing views
definition /ˌdɛfɪˈnɪʃən/ B1	noun - a statement of the meaning of a word or term
consciousness /ˈkɒnʃəsnəs/ C1	noun - a person's awareness or perception of something
evolution /ˌiːvəˈluːʃən/ B2	noun - the process of change and development over time
philosophy /fɪˈlɒsəfi/ C1	noun - the study of fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, and language
potluck /ˈpɒtlʌk/ B1	noun - a gathering where each guest contributes a dish
theme /θiːm/ B1	noun - a subject or topic of a party or event
gathering /ˈɡæðərɪŋ/ A2	noun - an assembly or meeting of people
container /kənˈteɪnər/ B1	noun - an object used to hold or store something
legal /ˈliːɡəl/ B1	adjective - relating to the law or permitted by law
culture /ˈkʌltʃər/ B1	noun - the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or group
activity /ækˈtɪvɪti/ A2	noun - something done as part of a specific event or situation
restriction /rɪˈstrɪkʃən/ B2	noun - a limitation or constraint

Key Grammar Structures

• I firmly believe that a hot dog is its own thing.

  ➔ Noun clause as object of the verb (that‑clause).

  ➔ The verb **believe** is followed by a **that‑clause**: "that a hot dog is its own thing".

• Can someone pull up a dictionary and tell me if that's true or not?

  ➔ Indirect yes/no question introduced by "if".

  ➔ The clause **if that's true or not** functions as an indirect question after the verb **tell**.

• If you say “hey make a good dish or make a good drink,” I wouldn’t know what to make.

  ➔ Second conditional (if + past simple, would + base verb).

  ➔ The **if**‑clause uses the past simple **say**, and the result clause uses **wouldn’t know** (modal *would* + base verb).

• I’d argue that humans are their own things, too.

  ➔ Modal verb *would* in contracted form + infinitive (conditional prediction).

  ➔ The contracted **I'd** = **I would** followed by the base verb **argue**.

• Because many people would say that’s what kind of divides humans and animals is like we have consciousness.

  ➔ Complex sentence with causal clause (because) + modal *would* + nominal clause; use of “like” as a colloquial filler.

  ➔ The **because** clause introduces a reason, and **would** shows reported speculation; **like** functions as a filler, not a comparison.

• I think the hot dog is a type of sandwich, even though a hot dog is also very much its own thing.

  ➔ Contrast using “even though” + present simple; introductory verb of opinion + that‑clause omitted.

  ➔ **Even though** introduces a concessive clause; the verb **think** can directly take the statement without “that”.

• The legal reason is that a hot dog can be classified as a sandwich for tax purposes.

  ➔ Relative clause introduced by “that” after a noun (legal reason); passive infinitive structure "can be classified".

  ➔ **That** introduces the clause explaining **the legal reason**; **can be classified** is a passive modal construction.

• If you bring raw fish to a potluck, you better have enough ice to keep it cool.

  ➔ First conditional with imperative form “you better” (informal modal).

  ➔ **You better** functions like a modal verb meaning “must”; the sentence follows the pattern **if + present simple**, **you better + base verb**.

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  ➔ First conditional with “so” + imperative; contracted modal *would* (would + love) expressing desire.

  ➔ **We’d** = **We would**, followed by **love** (verb) indicating a polite desire; **so** links the clause to the imperative **leave**.