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In the US, the government shutdown has 00:00
ended its third day with the threat of 00:02
job cuts hanging over staff and the 00:04
pause of public programs. President 00:06
Trump has threatened mass layoffs, 00:09
arguing it's an unprecedented 00:10
opportunity to look at cuts at what he 00:12
called Democrat agencies. There's no end 00:14
in sight with Democrats and Republicans 00:16
at odds over how to settle the funding 00:18
dispute. Lawmakers are expected to try 00:20
to resolve things with a vote in the 00:22
Senate today. I'm joined by Shannon 00:24
Felton Spence from Harvard's Belfer 00:26
Center. Thanks very much for being with 00:27
us. Are the the uh the pauses in some of 00:29
the programs taking effect yet? Is the 00:32
public starting to feel it? 00:34
Uh I think that the public will start to 00:37
feel it really going into next week, but 00:39
certainly the public servants uh that 00:40
work for the government have already 00:43
felt it. You know, when we go into a 00:45
government shutdown, they're typically 00:46
about a week long, but the longest one 00:48
was actually under President Trump the 00:50
first time. It's 35 days. Those those 00:51
federal workers are not getting paid. uh 00:54
some of them are just furoughed, others 00:56
of them uh are expected to come to work 00:59
without pay but you know the mortgage 01:01
bill still comes, the car insurance bill 01:02
still come and they are just not having 01:04
those paychecks come in. So they are 01:06
certainly feeling it acutely at the 01:07
moment and the public will start to feel 01:08
it soon. 01:10
What are the key policy areas do you 01:11
think that could shape whether there is 01:13
a resolution to this and you know the 01:15
whole politicization of this? 01:18
Well, I think that the politics of this 01:21
are the most interesting. So, the 01:22
Democrats have really dug in on healthc 01:24
care subsidies and that is not something 01:26
that the president is going to budge on 01:28
um because it is part of his uh keystone 01:31
bill, the big beautiful bill. Uh and so 01:33
I think that we are a long way from a 01:35
deal and the politics of this are that I 01:37
think that the Democrats are feeling 01:39
from their voter base uh probably an 01:41
artificial adrenaline rush at this 01:44
moment. Like I said, I'm not sure that 01:45
most people are feeling it at the tiller 01:47
in their pocketbooks yet the government 01:49
shutdown or not being able to access 01:50
their services. Uh but this is really 01:51
the first time that the party, the 01:54
Democrats have stood up to Trump since 01:56
Trump took office earlier this year. Uh 01:58
and so there is a little bit of a rush 02:01
right now that uh good, we're finally 02:02
doing something. We're finally pushing 02:05
back, but I don't see the president or 02:06
the Republicans backing down anytime 02:08
soon. And so there is going to be some 02:10
real pain and some real delay in 02:11
services that are going to come. And you 02:13
know, the hold out uh is going to start 02:15
to affect Democrats who are going to 02:17
say, "Come on, just just get a deal done 02:19
so that we can reopen up the 02:21
government." And we're going into a 02:23
midterm year, so this is actually very 02:24
important. That's what Donald Trump is 02:26
banking on. 02:27
And we've heard from Donald Trump that 02:28
he's he's targeting what he calls 02:30
Democrat agencies um and talking about 02:32
uh Russell Voit, you know, trying to 02:35
work out which programs could be axed. 02:37
Yeah. So, absolutely. And also he said 02:41
on his Truth Social last night that he 02:44
couldn't believe that the the Democrats 02:46
had given him this unprecedented 02:48
opportunity to do what he wanted to do 02:49
anyways, which is wind down the EPA, you 02:51
know, totally wind down the education 02:53
department, wind down um uh uh HUD. Uh 02:55
and and this messaging that is coming 02:58
from of Donald Trump, Donald Trump is a 03:01
political athlete. He is a political 03:03
animal. He understands his base. He 03:05
understands what riles people up. And I 03:07
am not sure that the Democrats have that 03:09
same sort of animal instinct that Donald 03:13
Trump has. And I think that this is 03:16
going to show he's not going to give in. 03:17
He's, you know, the art of the deal. He 03:19
is a hard, you know, he is a hard 03:21
negotiator and he is going to stay firm 03:23
until Democratic states, Democratic 03:25
voters really, really feel the pain and 03:28
they start to think, what can we do to 03:30
to soften this up? And they're only 03:32
going to turn against their own 03:34
representatives. And so going into a 03:35
midterm year, you know, if nothing 03:37
changed, if we didn't go into a 03:39
shutdown, maybe the Democrats pick up a 03:40
couple House seats, but Donald Trump's 03:42
approval rating has stayed the same 03:44
since April. You know, this is a very, 03:46
very difficult political environment for 03:48
the Democrats, and this shutdown, I 03:49
think, is a it is a real rift for them. 03:52
Shannon Felton sent Spence from 03:54
Harvard's Belfa Center. 03:56

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In the US, the government shutdown has
ended its third day with the threat of
job cuts hanging over staff and the
pause of public programs. President
Trump has threatened mass layoffs,
arguing it's an unprecedented
opportunity to look at cuts at what he
called Democrat agencies. There's no end
in sight with Democrats and Republicans
at odds over how to settle the funding
dispute. Lawmakers are expected to try
to resolve things with a vote in the
Senate today. I'm joined by Shannon
Felton Spence from Harvard's Belfer
Center. Thanks very much for being with
us. Are the the uh the pauses in some of
the programs taking effect yet? Is the
public starting to feel it?
Uh I think that the public will start to
feel it really going into next week, but
certainly the public servants uh that
work for the government have already
felt it. You know, when we go into a
government shutdown, they're typically
about a week long, but the longest one
was actually under President Trump the
first time. It's 35 days. Those those
federal workers are not getting paid. uh
some of them are just furoughed, others
of them uh are expected to come to work
without pay but you know the mortgage
bill still comes, the car insurance bill
still come and they are just not having
those paychecks come in. So they are
certainly feeling it acutely at the
moment and the public will start to feel
it soon.
What are the key policy areas do you
think that could shape whether there is
a resolution to this and you know the
whole politicization of this?
Well, I think that the politics of this
are the most interesting. So, the
Democrats have really dug in on healthc
care subsidies and that is not something
that the president is going to budge on
um because it is part of his uh keystone
bill, the big beautiful bill. Uh and so
I think that we are a long way from a
deal and the politics of this are that I
think that the Democrats are feeling
from their voter base uh probably an
artificial adrenaline rush at this
moment. Like I said, I'm not sure that
most people are feeling it at the tiller
in their pocketbooks yet the government
shutdown or not being able to access
their services. Uh but this is really
the first time that the party, the
Democrats have stood up to Trump since
Trump took office earlier this year. Uh
and so there is a little bit of a rush
right now that uh good, we're finally
doing something. We're finally pushing
back, but I don't see the president or
the Republicans backing down anytime
soon. And so there is going to be some
real pain and some real delay in
services that are going to come. And you
know, the hold out uh is going to start
to affect Democrats who are going to
say, "Come on, just just get a deal done
so that we can reopen up the
government." And we're going into a
midterm year, so this is actually very
important. That's what Donald Trump is
banking on.
And we've heard from Donald Trump that
he's he's targeting what he calls
Democrat agencies um and talking about
uh Russell Voit, you know, trying to
work out which programs could be axed.
Yeah. So, absolutely. And also he said
on his Truth Social last night that he
couldn't believe that the the Democrats
had given him this unprecedented
opportunity to do what he wanted to do
anyways, which is wind down the EPA, you
know, totally wind down the education
department, wind down um uh uh HUD. Uh
and and this messaging that is coming
from of Donald Trump, Donald Trump is a
political athlete. He is a political
animal. He understands his base. He
understands what riles people up. And I
am not sure that the Democrats have that
same sort of animal instinct that Donald
Trump has. And I think that this is
going to show he's not going to give in.
He's, you know, the art of the deal. He
is a hard, you know, he is a hard
negotiator and he is going to stay firm
until Democratic states, Democratic
voters really, really feel the pain and
they start to think, what can we do to
to soften this up? And they're only
going to turn against their own
representatives. And so going into a
midterm year, you know, if nothing
changed, if we didn't go into a
shutdown, maybe the Democrats pick up a
couple House seats, but Donald Trump's
approval rating has stayed the same
since April. You know, this is a very,
very difficult political environment for
the Democrats, and this shutdown, I
think, is a it is a real rift for them.
Shannon Felton sent Spence from
Harvard's Belfa Center.

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shutdown

/ˈshʌt.daʊn/

B1
  • noun
  • - a temporary closure or suspension of operations

threat

/θrɛt/

A2
  • noun
  • - a statement of an intention to inflict harm or injury

layoffs

/ˈleɪ.ɔːfs/

B1
  • noun
  • - the termination of employment for workers

unprecedented

/ʌnˈprɛsɪˌdɛntɪd/

C1
  • adjective
  • - never done or known before

resolve

/rɪˈzɑːlv/

B1
  • verb
  • - to find a solution to a problem

furoughed

/ˈfɜːrəʊdʒd/

B2
  • verb
  • - to temporarily lay off workers

mortgage

/ˈmɔːr.ɡɪdʒ/

B1
  • noun
  • - a loan to buy property

acute

/əˈkjuːt/

B2
  • adjective
  • - intense or severe

subsidies

/ˈsʌb.sɪ.diz/

B2
  • noun
  • - financial assistance from the government

keystone

/ˈkiː.stəʊn/

C1
  • noun
  • - a central principle or part of a policy

politicization

/ˌpɒl.ɪ.tɪˌsaɪˈzeɪ.ʃən/

C1
  • noun
  • - the act of making something political

adrenaline

/əˈdrɛn.ə.lɪn/

B2
  • noun
  • - a hormone that increases heart rate and energy

rift

/rɪft/

B2
  • noun
  • - a split or division

axed

/ækst/

B1
  • verb
  • - to end or stop something abruptly

messaging

/ˈmɛs.ɪdʒ.ɪŋ/

B2
  • noun
  • - the conveying of a message or information

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