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For anyone who's heard of astrology 00:24
>> but doesn't really know what it is. What 00:26
is astrology and how does it work? 00:29
>> So, astrology is the study of how the 00:32
sky mirrors what happens on Earth. 00:36
Astrology in your astrology chart is a 00:40
mirror of your life, of your life's 00:43
purpose, of your soul. It's a mirror of 00:46
the events that also happen on the 00:49
earth. And when you're born, somebody's 00:51
astrology chart is literally like a map 00:55
of their life. It's a map of your 00:58
potential. It's a map of your problems. 01:00
It's a map of your growth edges. It's a 01:02
map of all the ways in which you need to 01:04
grow and work and change into yourself. 01:07
And what it also signifies is that 01:12
there's this kind of sense of you're an 01:15
amulet of the exact time that you were 01:18
born. So every single moment of life has 01:21
its own chart. So us meeting today has a 01:25
chart for it and it is a crystallization 01:28
or the chart becomes a map of what we're 01:32
crystallizing together. So you as a 01:35
person when you're born, we look at we 01:38
take a snapshot of the entire sky when 01:40
you're born and the exact lo location 01:42
and the exact time that you were born 01:44
and we see where everything was in the 01:47
sky and that is the amulet of you if you 01:49
so choose to work with it and look at 01:54
it. 01:55
>> So you're looking at everything from the 01:56
stars, the moon, the position of where 01:58
you were born, the time of birth. 02:00
>> Yeah, we're looking at everything. So 02:02
literally right now if we were to take a 02:04
snapshot of the sky because we are in 02:06
this place and because it's this time 02:08
there's a specific sign rising up over 02:10
the horizon. The sun is in a specific 02:12
place in the sky and everything else out 02:14
there in relationship to the earth is in 02:17
a specific place and it's having a 02:20
certain relationship. And so astrology 02:22
is the study of those relationships. One 02:25
of the longest standing scientific 02:28
documents is from ancient Babylon and 02:31
it's a 700year 02:34
documentation of the planet's movements 02:36
and of what happened on Earth during 02:39
those movements. So, it's literally our 02:42
longest standing scientific record. 02:44
Humans forever have been fascinated with 02:47
what happens in the sky. And if you 02:51
think about it, I was somewhere recently 02:52
where there wasn't a lot of electricity 02:54
and I could have this like beautiful 02:56
swath of sky and I was like, "Oh, wait. 02:59
Remember or think about what it was like 03:01
before electricity. The sky, if you 03:03
could see it, if it was a cloudless 03:06
night, it was just like teeming with 03:07
light. You could see galaxies. I mean, 03:10
you can see the Milky Way. You can see 03:13
and then you can see the planets moving. 03:15
And so we've always until very recently 03:16
had a very specific relationship with 03:21
nature, with all of life around us. And 03:24
the sky has always been a part of 03:26
[snorts] our relationship with life. And 03:28
the study of the planets and the study 03:32
of the moon, the study of the sun, the 03:34
study of the cycles that we live within 03:36
also taught us how to count, taught us 03:38
how to understand rhythms. I mean, it 03:41
taught us math. So it was always an 03:44
integral part of how we came to 03:47
understand who we were. And so through 03:49
the study of the planets for again 03:52
hundreds and hundreds of years, people 03:54
came up with the ancients came up with 03:57
an understanding of what the planets did 03:59
and kind of what they meant. And so we 04:01
have this lineage of thousands of years 04:05
of documentation and thousands of years 04:08
of scholarship and [snorts] thousands of 04:10
years of people examining 04:13
what the sky was looking like and what 04:16
it meant for people living that moment 04:20
out. So, you're a moment in time and I'm 04:23
a moment in time. And that moment in 04:26
time had a specific 04:28
essence and then you as a person with 04:31
free will, as a soul, you get to live 04:34
that out and express that however you 04:36
want. Like, but it is what it is. But 04:38
you have free will within that. 04:41
>> We're going to get to that. I'm going to 04:43
ask you [laughter] that. When when did 04:44
>> I know it freaks people out. 04:46
>> No. When did humans when did humans 04:47
start to develop astrology or start to 04:50
interact with this mindset that what we 04:54
see in the sky has relevance to who we 04:57
are? Because when you say who we are, 05:00
are you talking about 05:02
>> personality? Are you talking about you 05:03
know what what elements are you talking 05:06
about? So the personality kind of test 05:07
of astrology is fairly new in terms of 05:10
astrology's long long history. But 05:13
humans have painted like some of the 05:16
earliest paintings we have from the 05:19
caves of Lasso and France. They are the 05:21
stars. They are the pleades. They're the 05:24
stars that would rise up around the 05:27
spring. And so it was like the rebirth. 05:29
And so again, we have to remember like 05:31
as hunters and gatherers, as people, you 05:34
know, just like figuring out how to live 05:36
on the earth, we would know what time of 05:38
year it was because of yes, where the 05:41
sun was, but also because of what 05:43
constellations were rising. So we were 05:45
literally like it was part of our 05:47
ability to to find sustenance, to 05:49
understand where we were in time and 05:52
space. So in terms of understanding 05:53
ourselves and our lives and how long 05:57
that is, we can only go by what we have 05:59
written down. So that's at least a 06:02
couple of thousand years old. And I can 06:04
only assume that it was much older than 06:07
that because, you know, whatever was 06:10
written down might have been lost. And 06:12
you know, the written word is a fairly 06:14
kind of newer technology in human 06:16
history. But it's at least a couple of 06:17
thousand years old that we've been 06:20
making meaning of what it meant when you 06:22
were born that the sun was doing this or 06:25
there was a you know this thing 06:27
happening over here. And for a large 06:29
part it was used to understand like 06:32
rulerships and it was used to understand 06:34
the ways in which civilizations would 06:37
kind of come about and like when it was 06:39
good for the king to do this or the you 06:42
know so and so that was in in power to 06:43
do that. And then slowly over a longer 06:46
period of time, it began to be much more 06:49
about the person and like it became more 06:51
open to the greater public. 06:55
>> For for anyone who's listening and 06:58
they're skeptical about astrology, they 07:01
have their doubts, they're cynical about 07:02
it, 07:04
>> what would you say to them? 07:05
>> Great. I love it. Like you should be 07:07
cynical. And also, God forbid we all 07:09
like the same thing. [laughter] It's 07:11
like I don't think that I don't really 07:13
even want to live in a world where we 07:15
all like believe in astrology, whatever 07:17
that might mean. I think diversity is 07:19
really important. I think that the ma my 07:21
main agenda is that you understand what 07:26
your life's purpose is and you move 07:28
towards that with the greatest efficacy 07:32
possible and that moves you towards 07:34
serving the world in your own specific 07:37
way. I think that for me, astrology is 07:39
my quickest entry point into that, but 07:42
there are a thousand and they're all 07:45
legitimate and wonderful. I just want 07:47
you to find yours. And so, if you don't 07:49
like astrology, great. I don't know of 07:52
anybody, and I, you know, I'm sure there 07:55
is people out there. I don't know of 07:57
anybody that has spent a significant 07:58
amount of time studying astrology, like 08:02
really thoroughly studying it and then 08:04
feeling like it had no merit whatsoever. 08:07
Young the the psychotherapist, 08:10
psychologist, uh, famously thought it 08:13
was ridiculous and studied it and 08:17
converted himself and then he actually 08:20
became somebody who impacted the field 08:22
greatly. But I feel like most people 08:24
that don't like it are thinking about 08:28
sun sign horoscopes, which are like a 08:31
gateway drug into astrology, like 08:33
they're not the thing. 08:35
>> Talk to me about the difference between 08:37
what you're talking about and sun sign 08:38
horoscopes. So, sunsign horoscopes were 08:41
developed around the time of the 08:44
printing press so that people could have 08:46
an easy access point, an easy entry 08:50
point into understanding their 08:53
astrology. Cuz basically, if you knew 08:54
the day that you were born, give or 08:56
take, you knew what sun sign you were. 08:59
But before that, it was very, very 09:02
focused on the rising sign. And the 09:04
rising sign's so specific because again 09:06
it's about where you're born and the 09:08
exact time because that's the exact 09:09
piece of sky that's rising up over the 09:11
eastern horizon. 09:13
And that's your marker of life. Like 09:15
that's your yes, I'm here. I'm saying 09:18
yes to this life. I am, you know, 09:20
separate from the body that brought me 09:23
here. All of that. [snorts] So your sun 09:24
sign is like something you share with 09:26
people that are born within a 30-day 09:28
span as you. It's very general. 09:30
There's a lot to be gleaned from it, but 09:33
it's not your chart. Only your rising 09:35
sign can tell us your entry point and 09:38
then it sets up the entire chart. It 09:41
sets up the meaning of everything else 09:43
for you. So, it's like looking at a 09:45
sliver of a picture or like even a a 09:49
pixel instead of looking at the whole 09:53
thing. So yeah, if you are like, I don't 09:55
want to be boiled down to a couple of 09:58
tropes about my sun sign, I agree with 10:01
you. I don't either. That's why I don't 10:04
even like talking about my chart in 10:06
public because I don't like having 10:07
people think that they understand who I 10:10
am by something so surface level. 10:12
>> And your chart is so much more complex 10:16
than that. I mean, there's like there's 10:18
like fractals of fractals that you can 10:21
get into of meaning that people again 10:23
spent thousands of years developing and 10:26
like uh and and pouring their their life 10:29
into. And so your sun sign is like it's 10:32
fun to share. It's very memeable. It's 10:36
very gameable. Um it's very sharable. 10:38
And so it's an entry point, but it has 10:42
so little to do 10:45
>> with the reality of what we're actually 10:46
looking at when we look at your chart. 10:49
>> Yeah, that's relieving. 10:51
>> Yeah, 10:52
>> that's good. Yeah, it's really helpful 10:52
because I feel like you're absolutely 10:54
right that it's sharable, it's 10:56
interesting, it's fun to talk about, but 10:58
then when you look at how valuable it is 11:00
or how accurate it is, naturally, it's 11:03
never going to feel that way. Yeah, 11:06
>> it's the same as a broad personality 11:07
test that divides you into four core 11:10
personality types. It's like, of course, 11:12
we're far more complex and layered than 11:14
that, and we all believe that, 11:16
especially as we get older. Can you 11:18
explain? You've been referencing birth 11:19
chart and chart. Can you explain 11:21
>> what that birth chart is? I imagine it's 11:24
when you're born, as you were saying, 11:26
where everything lands in the sky, but 11:27
can you explain how someone can read 11:29
that chart? What does that mean to read 11:30
someone's birth chart? Yeah. So, it's a 11:32
snapshot of the sky the moment that you 11:34
were born from the exact location and 11:36
time that you were born. And everything 11:37
in it is in relationship to each other. 11:40
So, you're actually describing all of 11:43
the relationships that make up your 11:46
life. And 11:48
it is, you know, you can look at it 11:51
through the lens of your personality, 11:53
which is one thing. I think it can be 11:55
quite reductive when we do that. But 11:57
what like ancient or traditional 12:00
astrology is more about is looking at 12:01
the quality of each area of your life. 12:04
Like where can someone expect to have 12:08
success? Where can someone expect to 12:11
have maybe some difficulty? What are the 12:13
things that are like working for them 12:16
and what are the things that are going 12:18
to be a challenge and therefore a growth 12:19
edge and therefore an opportunity to 12:23
develop themselves. And so you can glean 12:25
somebody's like nature from it, but it's 12:29
really about like, you know, if 12:32
someone's struggling to find love in 12:34
their life and you look at their chart 12:36
and you see like, oh yeah, I can 12:39
understand why that's a struggle. It 12:40
doesn't mean that they're going to be in 12:42
a struggle forever. It means that there 12:44
the chart is going to distinguish what 12:46
the thing is. And therefore once we know 12:49
what the issue is, we can work more 12:53
clearly or more definitively towards the 12:56
solution for that thing. And so it can 12:59
be a really great aid in terms of like 13:02
what's what is the pain that you're 13:04
carrying? Like what are the things that 13:07
you're burdened with in this life? Your 13:09
chart will reveal that. And that can 13:11
also be a real solace cuz it can feel 13:15
sometimes like we have this thing that's 13:18
like against us in life. Like why why 13:21
won't this thing work out for me or why 13:23
doesn't this ever kind of take shape for 13:24
me? And when you can see it in the chart 13:27
you can be like oh okay that's just a a 13:29
setup but there's other ways to work 13:34
with that thing but I have to know what 13:37
the issue is first. And so I think that 13:39
astrology helps us to identify if you 13:42
have somebody you know adept looking at 13:45
your chart or if you have you know good 13:47
education around like what it actually 13:49
is then we can use the chart to really 13:51
open up those doors for us because 13:54
without knowing what the issue is it's 13:57
really hard to try to meet it. 13:59
>> So you can do that through therapy you 14:02
can do that through a lot of different 14:03
avenues again astrology is one of them. 14:05
How much of how much of this is is it so 14:07
important you just said that the 14:10
practitioner needs to be adept? 14:11
>> Yeah. 14:13
>> And it almost feels like to me that the 14:14
recipient needs to be adept as well. 14:16
>> Yes. 14:18
>> And what I [laughter] what I mean by 14:18
that what I mean by that is like I I've 14:20
always looked at so I never studied this 14:22
but as part of my teachings in the 14:25
monastery we had people who practiced 14:28
Vadic astrology 14:30
>> which is thousands and thousands of 14:32
years years old. people had incredible 14:33
experiences of uh using there's places 14:36
in India where they use leaves and 14:39
there's writings on leaves there's 14:41
charts with literally like strings 14:42
attached I mean it's it's spectacular 14:44
the the culture and the history of it 14:46
>> but what I found was that for example if 14:48
I know it's going to rain tomorrow and 14:52
there's an adept weather forecast with 14:55
by the way I don't know who does good 14:57
weather forecast anymore [laughter] 14:58
anyway but let's say it's going to rain 14:59
tomorrow as an adept person who's 15:01
looking at that forecast. I know 15:03
tomorrow I better take my umbrella, my 15:05
uh uh boots that I'm happy about to get 15:08
wet in the rain and a raincoat. And so 15:10
it requires me to adapt to the 15:12
information. 15:15
>> Whereas often what I found today is when 15:16
people feel like they're going through a 15:18
bad phase or there's something not 15:20
working for them. It's kind of like, 15:22
well, I can't do anything right now cuz 15:23
I'm going through a bad phase. And 15:25
that's like me saying, well, I can't 15:26
have fun tomorrow cuz it's going to 15:27
rain. So talk to me about that. And and 15:29
if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. 15:31
I'm just sharing it from what I've heard 15:32
and seen. 15:34
>> Yeah. Yeah. It is the human problem. It 15:35
is the human condition, I think, to try 15:38
to reduce things down to something 15:41
that's simple enough to either blame 15:43
life on or to try to like figure out 15:46
really quickly. And we also try to I 15:50
think have one answer for everything. 15:53
So, you know, I mean, I get why it's so 15:57
annoying cuz everyone will be like, "Uh, 15:59
Mercury retrograde." And you're like, 16:01
"No, that's not what it's about." 16:02
>> I'm going to get I'm going to ask you 16:03
[laughter] about that in a bit. 16:04
>> That's not You can't do that. Like, you 16:05
can't blame every or I hear people say, 16:07
"Well, you know, I'm a Scorpio." And I'm 16:10
like, "That has nothing to do with being 16:11
a Scorpio." Like, I I get the desire to 16:13
do that, but that's not You're using a 16:16
hammer to do everything and you need a 16:18
feather sometimes and like you need 16:21
different tools. So yeah, it's um it is 16:23
a it's a it's an interesting thing 16:28
because when we're going into a time 16:30
period that looks really complex 16:33
astrologically, you want to hold it with 16:34
like, okay, this looks like it's going 16:37
to challenge us. It looks like it's 16:39
going to require a lot of mindfulness 16:42
from us and it looks like it's going to 16:44
require a lot of tenacity and it looks 16:46
like it's going to require more from us 16:48
than general times. Great. So now we 16:49
know that. So show up. How can I help 16:53
people show up to that moment? Not 16:55
reducing it down to everything's going 17:00
to be awful or this is why this is 17:02
happening. Because if we lived in a 17:04
world where compassion and, you know, 17:07
thoughtfulness and community and 17:10
people's health and well-being were 17:13
front and center, then bad astrology 17:14
wouldn't be that bad. It's not the 17:17
astrology that's making things bad. it's 17:19
revealing or it's it's giving you a kind 17:22
of understanding of of again certain 17:24
cycles and timings of things. And so if 17:27
we can see like well what happened the 17:30
last time this cycle happened and what 17:32
what worked then we can use it as 17:35
something that's empowering. If 17:38
astrology isn't empowering I don't think 17:40
you should use it. 17:42
>> If you feel like astrology is reducing 17:44
you to something or freaking you out or 17:46
making you paranoid I don't think it's 17:48
working. I [snorts] think you should put 17:50
it down and not pick it up again 17:51
>> until that passes or maybe for the rest 17:54
of your life. Like it should help you to 17:56
feel like you're more located and you're 17:59
better prepared. Like it's I love the 18:02
rain. So if it's going to rain tomorrow, 18:05
great. Maybe I can like have, you know, 18:07
a moody day where I drink tea and write 18:09
in my journal. 18:11
That's my fantasy. I have a child, so I 18:13
[laughter] can't do that. But 18:15
>> I love that. 18:16
>> I remember days like that. 18:17
>> I love that. No. Uh what's the 18:18
difference between your sun, your moon, 18:21
and your rising? Because you hear people 18:23
use this language all the time. 18:25
>> What's the difference? What does it 18:27
mean? 18:28
>> Yeah. Well, your rising sign is the 18:28
marker of your life. It is the marker of 18:31
your yes to life. So, it's the marker of 18:33
your motivation. It is what you're 18:35
motivated to do here in the world. And 18:38
it is your yes. It's like, okay, I'm 18:41
here. I'm born. Your sun is how you 18:43
shine. It's like part of how you 18:46
illuminate, how your soul illuminates 18:48
things. It's like what lights you up. 18:50
And your moon is your body. Your moon is 18:53
the physical world. If you think of the 18:55
moon as a reflector of the sun's light, 18:57
the moon in our chart reflects the light 19:00
of our soul, the light of our sun. And 19:03
we can only have this incarnation 19:06
through the body. And so it it's the 19:08
holder, the keeper of memory. It is 19:11
about the physical world and the 19:14
physical realm and how sacred it is to 19:16
have a body to have incarnated into. And 19:18
we get to do our life purpose through 19:22
our body a little bit every day. Come 19:24
the tiredness and the joy and all the 19:26
things. But the body keeps the score of 19:29
all of that, so to speak. 19:31
>> So when you're reading someone's birth 19:33
chart, you're seeing all of these. 19:34
>> Could you give examples of what would 19:36
fit into each one for anyone that you've 19:38
read before? Randomly, obviously not. 19:40
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, like when someone 19:43
has a Leo rising, then they're motivated 19:46
to show up and really shine in the 19:49
world. They're motivated to illuminate 19:53
something, to be charming, to be 19:55
adorable, to be like a recipient of 19:57
people's adoration or attention. But 20:01
what it also does, the rising sign gives 20:04
you a key to the meaning of your life 20:06
because it the planet that rules that 20:08
sign is the planet that steers the ship 20:11
of your life. And so if you feel lost, 20:14
if you feel like you're not sure what 20:17
your purpose is, one of the quickest 20:18
ways to understand it astrologically is 20:21
to understand where the planet that 20:24
rules your rising sign is. And so if 20:26
your the ruler of your rising sign is in 20:30
your 10th house of career, then that's 20:32
it's going to be a major part. If it's 20:34
in your sixth house of service, then 20:37
maybe your your volunteering is going to 20:41
be, you know, it's like where are the 20:43
planets located and what job are they 20:46
doing? The planet that rules your 20:48
ascendant is literally at the helm of 20:50
the ship of your life. And so quite 20:53
often when I give people readings and 20:55
over the years I've given mostly 20:57
strangers readings and you know back 20:59
before Zoom before the pandemic when we 21:02
were all on Skype I wouldn't even see 21:04
the people. I mean I guess we could have 21:06
cameras but mostly it was like I was 21:08
almost like on the phone with people and 21:10
like all over the world and so I didn't 21:12
know them. I had never seen them. I 21:14
don't know anything about you. I'm just 21:16
going to read your chart. I'd start 21:18
there and 99% of the time people would 21:21
be so relieved to hear that that's what 21:25
that was because quite often they hadn't 21:28
been fully living into it or it was just 21:31
so innate that that's always what they 21:34
did and they're like oh that's yes that 21:36
is that thing that's what I've always 21:38
been known for and so when you're not 21:39
living in accordance with these these 21:42
kind of like signs to me in your chart 21:45
if you're not living in accordance with 21:47
your purpose 21:49
then everything is going to feel wrong 21:50
and everything's going to feel 21:53
misaligned. Like for myself, I never 21:54
thought I would write a book. It's not 21:58
anything I would ever think of, but 22:00
nothing in my life was working. And I 22:03
felt so stuck and I felt so I felt like 22:06
such a failure. I felt like I couldn't 22:10
figure out my place in the world. And I 22:12
started writing and people started 22:14
reading it and it started to take off 22:16
and I was like, "What is this? This is 22:18
wild." And it wasn't until I started 22:20
working with my teacher, the person who 22:22
would like really teach me about the 22:25
lineage that I practice in that I 22:28
understood how important it was to 22:31
follow that mark in my chart because the 22:34
ruler of my ascendant is in the third 22:35
house of writing and speaking and 22:37
teaching. But that's nothing I had put 22:38
together before. Like you can look at 22:41
your, you know, own, you can look at 22:43
yourself in the mirror. You can read 22:44
your, you know, you can look at yourself 22:45
all the time and not get it. The beauty 22:47
of having a therapist or a guide or a 22:49
coach or an astrologer, somebody that's 22:52
got some wisdom, is that they hold that 22:54
third space for you so that you can have 22:57
that kind of self-reflection. 23:00
So coming to know that like that natural 23:02
inkling in me was there in my chart gave 23:07
me the permission to just fully do it. 23:12
>> Yeah. 23:14
>> And then everything started to work like 23:15
overnight. I people started to pass my 23:18
stuff around. I met my wife within 6 23:22
months. I mean like things just blew up. 23:24
And it was because of that. I remember 23:27
the moment where she was like, "Well, 23:29
the ruler of your ascendants in the 23:31
third house." And I was like, "Oh." And 23:32
it all just clicked. And I'd always 23:35
wanted to write, but I never thought I 23:37
was smart enough. I didn't think I was 23:39
educated enough. I didn't think I was 23:41
able to do it. And it's literally one of 23:44
the things that changed my entire life. 23:47
And it's right there plain as day in my 23:50
chart. And I didn't see it for like 20 23:52
years. [laughter] 23:55
>> Wow. 23:56
cuz I started looking at astrology and 23:57
understanding my chart at like age 12. 23:59
>> Wow. 24:01
>> So, but I didn't really I didn't really 24:02
know what I was looking because I didn't 24:04
have traditional astrology. Right. 24:06
>> So, you know when you meet your teacher 24:08
>> also everything really starts to come 24:10
into practice and into place. And so 24:13
when I met my astrology teacher 24:15
>> and she taught me this really ancient 24:17
traditional way of doing astrology, it 24:20
just landed everything. And it was like 24:23
this whole rubric that was so clear and 24:25
so concise and so specific and so not 24:29
about my intuition or not about you know 24:32
what I felt about the chart or anything 24:35
like that. Not about like oh I knew this 24:37
Scorpio once and they did this. It's 24:39
like really like no if this is here this 24:41
means this. 24:43
>> Yeah. 24:44
>> Do this and see what happens. 24:44
>> So so you're actually saying that 24:46
astrology 24:48
is guiding us when you say purpose. 24:50
>> Mhm. But really you're talking about 24:53
activity, task, methodology. Like you 24:55
said, writing, speaking, teaching. 24:58
>> Yeah. 25:01
>> Those are very occupational in that they 25:01
are an activity that someone can take 25:04
out. So you're saying that astrology, am 25:06
I right in saying that? You're saying 25:08
astrology 25:10
shares your purpose and it defines 25:12
purpose as activity of greatness. 25:14
>> Yes. And it can get more complex than 25:18
that. So say if the ruler of your 25:22
ascendance in your eighth house, the 25:23
eighth house is a place of loss and 25:25
grief and mental anguish, it's also a 25:27
place of inheritance and other people's 25:30
money and there's a lot of things 25:33
connected to it. And so when you see 25:34
somebody's, you know, when you see a 25:36
significant placement in a part of the 25:38
chart that's really difficult, you have 25:40
to wonder if they've got there yet. But 25:42
often when I see really significant 25:46
placements in difficult houses in the 25:49
chart, 25:51
I'll ask like, are you a are you a grief 25:52
doula? Are you someone who does 25:56
traumainformed 25:58
counseling? Are you, you know, do you 26:00
feel really receptive to other people's 26:03
pain and suffering? And so it's not as 26:06
clear sometime like sometimes it is like 26:09
you could go and study and be you know a 26:11
someone who does hospice work or 26:15
something like that if that called to 26:17
you but sometimes it's a little bit uh 26:18
less specific. But it's very important 26:21
still for that person to be able to move 26:25
towards that area of life and know that 26:29
the inklings that they have towards that 26:34
area of life are very much embedded in 26:36
their life's purpose. And I've just seen 26:39
time and time again once they once you 26:41
take that action towards that that 26:43
things just start to open up and fall 26:45
into place. And then you find your way 26:47
to do that signature in your chart. Can 26:48
your astrology tell you whether you're 26:51
going to be a millionaire or a 26:52
billionaire? [laughter] 26:54
>> Well, there's a famous quote attributed 26:56
to JP Morgan that says, "Millionaires 26:58
don't use astrology, but billionaires 27:01
do." And it's not clear if he actually 27:03
ever said that, but he worked with an 27:05
astrologer, Evangelene Adams, for a very 27:07
long time. And he was actually like a 27:10
student of hers. He got readings from 27:12
her and she taught him. And so he used 27:13
astrology to do his banking. So I think 27:16
that there are definitely signatures 27:20
that can tell you when somebody is 27:23
really adept at working with the 27:27
material world 27:30
>> and whether they engage with that or not 27:32
is also their choice. 27:34
>> I see a lot of people that have a lot of 27:36
talents in their chart in their life and 27:38
they don't necessarily engage with it. 27:41
You also have to have the friction. You 27:43
also have to have the thing that spurs 27:45
you into action to make use of the gifts 27:48
that you've got. 27:51
>> But your astrology doesn't tell you 27:52
whether you have that part. 27:53
>> Yeah, it does. Yeah. 27:54
>> So, so your astrology could literally 27:56
say you have talent but you have no 27:57
spark. [laughter] 28:00
>> Well, I wouldn't say that to somebody. I 28:01
would say 28:04
>> if someone has a really like easy setup, 28:05
I would say the most important thing for 28:08
you to do is to embrace the struggles in 28:10
your life. is to like really lean into 28:13
what is going to challenge you and who 28:16
is going to challenge you and what's 28:19
going to help you to struggle to find 28:21
your own way 28:23
>> and don't lean on the things that are 28:25
necessarily so easy. 28:27
>> It's fascinating because I can think of 28:28
so many people in my life. 28:29
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>> And so, you know, this is just my life. 29:59
And I'm like, well, I don't know if I 30:01
was always ambitious or driven. And I 30:04
feel like there were skills I learned 30:05
and habits I developed and there were 30:06
coaches and mentors in my life who 30:08
taught me certain things and you can 30:10
build confidence and you can build skill 30:12
sets that allow you to live a better 30:14
life. And I don't just mean materially I 30:16
mean spiritually as well. 30:18
>> And they'll be like no no no but you 30:19
know some of us are wired like you and 30:21
some of us are not. So 30:22
>> is that true? Is that 30:24
>> I mean there's I think there's some 30:26
truth to that. 30:27
>> Okay. But I think you can choose to not 30:28
rest there, right? Like it's do what do 30:32
you want from this life? It's really 30:34
about that. Like are those people happy 30:37
or are they suffering? Right? 30:39
>> But are they interested in their 30:42
suffering enough to do something to 30:44
change it? And so what I'll look for is 30:46
is time periods that will come along and 30:49
kind of put the pressure on and be like 30:52
this. You're going to if you haven't 30:54
done your work, if you haven't 30:56
individuated, if you haven't really 30:57
tried to build something in yourself of 31:00
your own efforts, then this period of 31:03
time is going to really be rough. 31:06
>> But that's good for you. [laughter] 31:09
You know, like Saturn will come along as 31:11
a planet of boundaries and structure and 31:14
it will come along and hold you in place 31:16
until you figure out h how to either 31:19
find another way to move or to like lift 31:23
the weight that's on you enough times 31:27
until you get strong enough to move it 31:30
completely. 31:32
>> And Saturn's a a planet that you can 31:33
also look at in terms of your life 31:35
cycles. So sata S Saturn comes along 31:37
every seven years and does something 31:39
really important. So at age seven it 31:41
comes along and helps you to distinguish 31:43
yourself a little bit from your parents. 31:45
Helps you to find like your own. And 31:47
then at age 14, age 14 usually it's 31:48
called a Saturn opposition and it's 31:52
usually a time where something happens 31:54
in our life and you know we're 14 so it 31:55
kind of makes sense psychologically 31:58
speaking but something happens where 32:00
we're like wait a minute this is what I 32:02
want. This is what you want. These are 32:04
the expectations you have on me. This is 32:05
what and then at 21 we have another one 32:08
and it's part of the adult cycle. And 32:10
then from 28 to 30 Saturn closes the 32:12
loop and we go through something called 32:16
a Saturn return. And that's where we 32:17
move through our first really big 32:19
threshold where we move from whatever 32:21
remnants of being a child or whatever 32:25
remnants of being a young adult kind of 32:27
like have to trickle away and we're 32:29
asked to move and cross a threshold into 32:32
our true adulthood and to take 32:34
responsibility for our decisions and our 32:36
actions. 32:39
And so if you miss that, if you're like, 32:41
nah, it's going to be harder and harder 32:43
and you'll have like in the next seven 32:46
years, you'll have another moment of 32:48
struggle. And so that like saying the 32:51
seven-year itch is interesting because 32:52
it is like a Saturn cycle. 32:54
>> Yeah. And even in marriage, right, like 32:56
>> most divorces happen at 5 to seven 32:58
years. 33:00
>> Oh, that's interesting. 33:00
>> Yeah. 33:02
>> Yeah. It's that friction point. 33:03
>> Mhm. 33:05
>> Fascinating. Okay. Well, you write in 33:05
your book that our chart isn't our fate. 33:07
It's an invitation. And I think this 33:10
idea of fate and free will, and you 33:12
mentioned it earlier, but what does 33:14
astrology believe about fate and free 33:16
will? Do we have agency or is everything 33:18
predetermined? 33:20
>> You and I right now are in this city. 33:21
We're not in a city. We're not in 33:23
France. We're here. And so 33:26
there's certain conditions here. We 33:29
can't do everything here, but we can do 33:31
all the things in in this city that we 33:34
can do. And so it's the same with your 33:37
chart. It's like you're given a 33:38
landscape. What do you want to do with 33:40
that? How do you want to approach it? 33:42
>> Yeah. 33:45
>> And how do you want to work with these 33:46
really specific skills and this really 33:48
specific setup? 33:50
>> Yeah. It's almost like I was born in 33:51
London. 33:53
>> You were born in Canada. 33:53
>> Yeah. 33:55
>> And that created a certain environment 33:55
of what was available, what I was aware 33:59
of, 34:01
>> what was possible. 34:02
>> Yeah. 34:03
>> But somehow I've ended up in LA. You 34:04
lived in LA and you live in New York 34:06
now. Yeah. 34:08
>> And if someone told me all the way up 34:08
until the age of 28, which is when I 34:11
moved to New York, if anyone told me 34:14
that 34:16
>> Yeah. [laughter] If anyone told me up 34:16
until that age that I would ever live in 34:18
any other place apart from Northwest 34:20
London, I wouldn't have believed it. 34:22
>> Wow. Oh, so you left London at 28? 34:23
>> I Yeah, I the first time I left was when 34:26
I lived in India for a period of my time 34:27
as a monk and then I left when I came 34:29
and lived in New York first and then now 34:32
LA. So, 34:34
>> the reason I'm bringing that up is to 34:37
say that there is more choice 34:38
>> and free will and agency than we 34:42
sometimes think when you're looking at 34:44
astrology. And you might consider 34:46
everything's predetermined. 34:48
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I know, you know, I'll 34:49
see like harrowing transits come up for 34:51
me and I have to be like, I'm not going 34:54
to catastrophize this, but I have to 34:56
work against it. You know, it is just a 34:59
natural human thing. And then I'll live 35:01
through it and I'll be like, "Oh, that 35:03
was totally different than I thought, 35:05
but it's so emblematic of what it was." 35:06
And I absolutely needed to go through 35:10
that. It's always about like distancing 35:12
yourself enough from the thing, from 35:16
your astrology chart, from the thing 35:19
that you're going through so that you 35:20
can understand what life is trying to 35:23
teach you. So when people come to me and 35:24
they're like really in trouble or 35:27
they're really in a lot of pain, 35:30
sometimes it can help to be like, "Yeah, 35:33
this started 6 months ago and it's going 35:36
to last for like another 8 months." 35:38
You're in the middle of it. You know 35:41
what it is. This is it. Like how else to 35:42
how do you want to hold this? 35:45
>> How do you want to work with this? What 35:47
is this teaching you? like this 35:48
might be some suffering but what else is 35:53
here to to teach you or what is it here 35:56
to teach you what can you learn and if 36:00
if I am struggling and I look and see 36:04
I'm in a challenging aspect then I can 36:07
be like oh okay then it's not just out 36:11
of the it doesn't feel random I think 36:13
for some people 36:15
>> and so that's the other side of like 36:17
Mercury's retrograde is nothing's going 36:19
to work out. [laughter] 36:20
>> We don't want to do that, 36:22
>> but we do want to use it and be like, 36:23
okay, it's just a time period. It's just 36:25
a cycle that we're in that I'm in. 36:27
>> Does your astrology tell you who you're 36:30
going to fall in love with? 36:31
>> No. It tells you though what you need 36:33
out of a relationship. 36:35
>> Interesting. 36:37
>> So, it tells you the quality and the 36:38
nature of the person that you need. So 36:40
for me also, I didn't realize this until 36:43
after I had met my wife, but I really 36:46
need somebody to like work with me. I 36:49
need someone to be like, right, I need 36:52
someone to partner with me in every 36:54
single way possible. And when we met, 36:56
she just did that instantly. And I was 36:59
working with my teacher at that point 37:02
and she pointed that signature in my 37:04
chart out to me and I was like, "Oh my 37:06
god, that's what she does." like me and 37:08
my wife met and I didn't even know how 37:10
to put a PayPal button on my website 37:11
like on my blog and she put it on there 37:14
in like 2 seconds and I was just like 37:17
wow you're a magician [laughter] 37:18
and we just became business partners 37:20
like immediately and so then we grew 37:22
this business together and then we 37:25
created an app and you know the the rest 37:27
is kind of history but she was an 37:29
immediate partner for me and that is a 37:32
very specifically 37:35
uh accurate 37:38
you know, like read of my chart so you 37:39
you can see like what kind of qualities 37:42
and what kind of nature you need from 37:44
somebody. 37:46
>> Does it predict when you're going to 37:46
fall in love? 37:47
>> I mean, I'm sure those Vadic astrologers 37:49
at the ashram would say yes. There's 37:52
certainly definitely timing techniques. 37:54
There's like ancient timing techniques 37:56
for everything. I think that um they're 37:58
correct. They don't necessarily I don't 38:03
know if they'll always say like how long 38:05
it will last. Some astrologers are 38:06
excellent at doing that. But I think 38:09
that what's more important is 38:11
understanding yourself, understanding 38:14
the qualities that you need in a partner 38:17
and 38:20
finding that energetic match with 38:22
somebody else before you really even 38:25
touch the astrology. I don't know. I I 38:27
think I'm not as interested in finding 38:30
out when something's going to happen in 38:33
my life as I am in understanding who I 38:34
am. 38:38
>> Couldn't agree with you more 38:38
>> and what I've got to give this moment 38:39
and like what's possible here. Like what 38:41
what could I what could I do with what I 38:45
have? Because I think that our agency is 38:48
the greatest power that we have. And so 38:51
I again I never want the astrology to 38:53
get in the way of you understanding your 38:56
agency. 38:58
Yeah. 38:59
>> So those predictions can be right, but I 39:00
don't know if they're helpful to know. 39:02
>> Yeah. It see I I imagine though that 39:04
that's the kind of questions people ask 39:06
you 39:08
>> because when I when I talk to my friends 39:08
who go to astrologers it's constantly to 39:10
figure out like when am I going to meet 39:12
the guy or you know when when should I 39:14
you know when should I think about 39:17
selling my company or when should I 39:18
start my company or 39:21
>> those are the questions that I'm hearing 39:23
that they're asking and then they tell 39:24
me what their astrologer said and 39:26
sometimes people will be as specific as 39:27
you should marry someone whose name 39:29
begins with R 39:31
>> and you'll probably meet them in the 39:32
next 6 months. Yeah. 39:33
>> Or or they'll get an answer that's like, 39:35
well, you're not going to find someone 39:38
for 2 years. 39:39
>> Yeah. 39:40
>> And and so what do you make? You're 39:40
saying that that could be accurate, but 39:43
you're saying that's actually a not the 39:45
best use of astrology almost. 39:46
>> Well, that's that's up to you. 39:49
>> Right. 39:51
>> Right. It's like what do you want to use 39:51
it for? I don't use it for that because 39:53
I don't think that's helpful for the 39:56
people I work with. 39:58
>> Right. I think that picking a time to 39:59
launch your business is great. If you 40:01
like give me a time frame, if you're 40:03
like, I want to launch it in the next 3 40:04
months, I'll give you the best day and 40:06
time within the next 3 months to launch 40:08
it. 40:09
>> Talk to me about that. So, how is that 40:09
calculated and why is that important? 40:11
>> You just look for the best signature 40:13
within the time frame you're given. You 40:15
don't have like forever. You just have 40:17
like the time frame. So, people want to 40:18
get married. I'm like, well, what's the 40:20
best day in August to get married? And 40:22
then I have to look at a time that's 40:24
like reasonable to get married. Like, 40:25
I'm not going to say 4 in the morning. 40:27
I'm going to say I'm going to look for 40:29
like an evening period or an afternoon 40:30
period and then look to see I want the 40:33
conditions of the planets associated 40:35
with the event to be good. So a wedding 40:37
I want Venus to be good and if Venus is 40:40
really not in a great situation the 40:43
month you want to get married then I'll 40:45
look for something else like I'll ask 40:48
you like is it really do we have to do 40:50
August? [laughter] 40:52
Could we do July or is that totally out 40:53
of the question? And if it's out of the 40:56
question then it is. is you just you 40:57
have to live your life. 40:58
>> And how does that impact the quality of 41:00
a marriage or a business? 41:03
>> Well, it is the the imprint of it. So, 41:05
it's the launch of it. So, it's the mark 41:09
of it. And so, you don't want to play 41:11
God with it. You know, there's there's 41:15
like there's problems with every moment 41:17
in time. There's problems with every 41:20
chart. You just want to look for 41:21
something that's relatively auspicious. 41:23
>> Yeah. It's like trying to find a sunny 41:25
day. 41:28
>> Yeah. 41:28
>> It's like no one no one like you don't 41:29
want to get married on a rainy day. 41:30
>> And so you're trying to find like that's 41:32
just a natural inkling. Yeah. 41:33
>> And so you're saying similarly on a plan 41:35
level like you want to find a day that 41:38
feels auspicious for a better word like 41:39
>> you know you're trying to find a word a 41:42
day that has good energy. 41:44
>> Yeah. It has like a good coming together 41:45
>> of of things. It's got like a good a 41:48
good picture to it. And so you want to 41:51
begin something if it's within your 41:53
control. You want to begin something 41:55
with as much on your side as possible. 41:57
>> Yeah. Yeah. 42:00
>> But then the thing you have to learn is 42:01
that's still up to you. Like that's 42:03
yours to still learn. You can pick the 42:05
best astrology chart in the world, but 42:07
if the person you're getting married to 42:09
isn't the right person for you, like 42:10
it's not going to do that much. Maybe 42:12
the divorce will be better. 42:13
>> Yeah. [laughter] 42:15
>> But it's still like you still have to 42:16
live your life. You still have to take 42:19
the actions. You still have to do the 42:21
hard stuff. You still have to show up. 42:22
What do you feel having helped so many 42:25
people being deep into this work? 42:27
>> How have you seen astrology really help 42:30
people? Where is it truly changed 42:32
people's lives? 42:34
>> I think it really truly changes people's 42:35
lives when they need the confirmation 42:37
that their soul's purpose is what they 42:40
think it is. 42:44
So like I remember when I met my wife, I 42:46
refused to look at her astrology chart. 42:50
I didn't want to see it. I didn't want 42:52
to know. Oh, I sent her to my teacher 42:53
and she got a reading and my teacher 42:56
didn't know anything about her, 42:58
looked at her chart and said, "Oh, 43:00
your your life's work is in the realm of 43:03
gender- based violence." And she was 43:06
like, "Yeah." But she was a banker at 43:09
the time, and she wasn't 43:12
valuing that part of her work, even 43:15
though it was something she had done 43:17
since she was 16. And that reading gave 43:18
her the kind of affirmation she needed 43:22
to move fully towards it. And it's one 43:25
simple thing, you know, it's one thing 43:30
that someone says to you. And it's quite 43:31
often at those junctures in our life, we 43:36
just need that one thing, that one 43:39
person to just hold that little bit of 43:42
space for us to say, "Yeah, you are. 43:44
There it is. It's plain as day." M 43:47
>> and then you can then you again have to 43:49
go off and do all the work. Astrology is 43:52
not going to do the work for you. 43:54
>> Yeah. You have to act on that insight. 43:55
>> But that insight can be so reassuring 43:57
and reaffirming totally because 43:59
>> everyone else has been reminding you of 44:02
the opposite ever since you were born, 44:03
>> right? We have a lot of obligations. We 44:05
have a lot of responsibilities. A lot of 44:07
people want us to be a certain way, not 44:08
because they're bad people, but just 44:11
because of whatever conditions we're in. 44:13
And astrology is one tool that can help 44:16
you to distinguish yourself and really 44:22
see yourself a lot more clearly. And so 44:25
when you do, I think if you're 44:29
conscious, then you can take action. 44:32
>> Until we have consciousness around 44:35
something, we don't really have a lot of 44:36
choice. 44:39
>> Mhm. 44:39
>> But once something comes into awareness 44:40
and consciousness, we then have choice. 44:42
what am I going to do with this 44:45
information? How am I going to act? Is 44:46
this mind to do something with? And so 44:48
if you need that, then a a good 44:51
astrology reading should be able to give 44:55
you the shape of yourself in a in a 44:58
really clear and specific way. 45:01
>> And then you get to choose what you want 45:03
to do with that information. 45:05
>> Mhm. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you believe in 45:06
divine timing? 45:09
[laughter] 45:11
>> Yeah. I mean, I work in timing. It's 45:13
like my whole life. My whole life is 45:15
timing. And yeah, I really do. And I 45:17
think that astrology is a part of it. 45:21
It'll tell you about your life cycles 45:23
that you're in. But you [clears throat] 45:25
again have the agency to meet those 45:28
moments with your 45:31
work and your effort and your 45:34
consciousness. And then you can, I 45:36
think, speed up everything. But that 45:39
requires you to say yes to the things 45:43
that are yours to say yes to. It 45:46
requires you to say yes to your talents. 45:48
It requires you to say yes to your 45:51
agency and then to fully fully own it 45:53
and everything that comes along with it 45:58
and then move boldly in that direction. 46:00
>> And then I think that time starts to 46:04
kind of meet you in a way. As I'm 46:06
talking to you, I'm just thinking, we're 46:10
asking all the wrong questions of 46:11
astrologers. [laughter] 46:13
Like, I'm just like, when I think about 46:14
all my friends and every question they 46:15
asked, I'm like, "Wow, we're asking bad 46:17
questions because 46:19
>> there's just so much more." And it's 46:21
kind of just it's kind of like how, you 46:22
know, there's that I don't know who said 46:25
this, but the whole idea of how if 46:26
aliens came down to Earth and saw us all 46:28
just staring at our phones, they'd be 46:30
like, "Why are you wasting life?" 46:32
>> Yeah. And it almost feels like that that 46:33
what we're going to astrologers for and 46:36
what we want to use it for seems to be 46:37
so rudimentary 46:40
>> compared to what it truly can offer. 46:41
when as I'm talking to you. 46:43
>> Yeah. 46:45
>> I'm like, "Wow, it just feels so much 46:45
bigger than that and so much deeper than 46:47
that 46:49
>> and so much more meaningful 46:50
>> and we're using it to figure out like, 46:52
you know, am I going to meet my person 46:54
in 3 months?" But that's because that is 46:55
our insecurity. Like that is what people 46:57
are struggling with is 47:00
>> really that question is act the question 47:02
may not be ideal but it's coming from a 47:03
deep rooted insecurity of am I lovable? 47:06
>> Yeah. And that's because through time we 47:08
have felt that we're not lovable based 47:10
on people we've dated, family 47:12
experiences. So to go back to that and 47:15
expand my compassion, it's like well 47:17
actually the question we're asking is 47:19
based on this deep 47:20
>> feeling of just not being loved. 47:22
>> Yeah. 47:24
>> And therefore we're not we're not really 47:24
asking will I find love in 3 months. We 47:26
don't really care about that. But we're 47:27
just like will I ever find love is 47:28
really the question I'm asking. And I'd 47:30
like to have have it to happen tomorrow. 47:32
>> That'll make my life better. 47:35
>> I think it will. 47:36
>> How how would you Yeah. So how would you 47:37
guide someone who is going through that 47:38
experience that I just mentioned to you 47:42
when you're reading their charts and of 47:44
course their chart is going to say what 47:46
it's going to say 47:47
>> which we you know you can help me 47:49
hypothetically but 47:51
>> what what happens what what are you 47:53
>> if someone comes and they're really 47:55
>> they're just like you look I got 47:57
>> trying to make something happen. 47:59
>> Yeah. So like I got broken up with 48:00
>> two years ago. 48:02
>> Yeah. 48:03
>> I am still getting over it. 48:03
I've been dating this guy. I 48:06
don't know if he's into me. I can't even 48:10
tell. But I just really want to settle 48:11
down. Like, I just want to fall in love 48:12
and get married and have kids and have a 48:14
great life and I'm a good person and 48:16
I've got my career sword and that seems 48:18
to be going well. But 48:19
>> every straight woman out there, 48:20
>> Totally. Totally. And I have a lot of 48:22
friends who are in that position, right? 48:24
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 48:25
>> They're coming to me. 48:26
>> [laughter] 48:27
>> I will anchor myself in in what I'm 48:30
feeling from them. So, I'll I'll have 48:34
the chart, but if what you're saying is 48:38
you're not over him or you're not over 48:41
the breakup yet, like what happened to 48:42
you? What are you still holding? Like, 48:45
that's when I just want a human to 48:47
human. Like, there's the chart, but like 48:48
can we just have a conversation about 48:51
what you're holding right now? And like 48:53
that is a legitimate 48:56
feeling of frustration and despair and 48:59
feeling like you're going to be left out 49:04
of a life cycle like you know you're not 49:06
you're not in it. It's missing you. It's 49:10
like passing you by. And that's a real 49:12
feeling. And it it is also situated in a 49:15
greater context where there's a lot of 49:20
people in your similar situation that 49:22
feel the same way. So you're also not 49:24
alone. It's it's your personal life and 49:26
it's also there's a a sense of like 49:29
there's another thing happening. And 49:31
then I'll go to the chart and see what I 49:34
can talk about. I want to talk about the 49:37
person that I see in the chart that will 49:40
be your partner. 49:44
>> And I want to talk about that and be 49:45
really specific about it. And then I 49:47
want you to meditate on that. I want you 49:50
to sit and this is from Katherine 49:52
Woodward Thomas calling in the one. 49:54
[snorts] One of the best meditations 49:57
that she ever gave me and I've given it 49:59
to millions of people is to sit in 50:01
meditation and just not no thoughts 50:03
about no specifics about like who the 50:06
person what they look like or what they 50:09
do for a living. None of that. What do 50:11
they feel like? What does their energy 50:13
feel like? And what do you feel like 50:15
sitting across from them? And what is 50:17
that energetic match? And then I just 50:19
want you to go out into the world and 50:22
feel that 50:24
>> who has that energetic resonance for you 50:25
and who doesn't. 50:28
>> So there's this things you can get into 50:29
all the details in the chart, but then 50:31
there's just the like let's just be 50:33
human 50:34
>> and just acknowledge that what you're 50:35
carrying right now. It's it's really 50:38
hard 50:40
>> and that loneliness is really real. 50:41
>> And I don't want to diminish that at 50:44
all. Mhm. 50:47
>> And all I know that you have in terms of 50:48
your agency is to yes work on yourself 50:52
and develop yourself, but also just to 50:55
like be with it. 50:57
>> Yeah. 50:58
>> You know, like I was 38 when I met my 50:59
wife. I had had a bajillion 51:02
relationship. I was like, I'm just going 51:04
to be alone forever. I had totally given 51:05
up on it. And then 51:08
it was like I walked out of that life 51:11
and into a totally different life. M 51:13
>> and that can feel like a setup too to 51:17
say to people cuz you know it's like I 51:18
got I feel like I got really lucky to 51:21
meet her in this lifetime and it's a 51:23
really I feel like a really rare special 51:25
relationship 51:28
and I also did everything I could 51:30
[laughter] 51:32
I did every course I did everything 51:33
under the sun and then I did just kind 51:36
of like let it go 51:38
>> and when I met my teacher and when I 51:40
started to feel like I was meeting my 51:43
life's calling and my purpose. I did 51:45
everything I could to anchor myself to 51:47
that 51:49
>> and I do feel like there was some kind 51:50
of synergy there. So you ha everyone has 51:52
some kind of story like that and each of 51:56
ours are so specific and I always say to 51:59
people what if you don't meet them for 52:02
another 15 years like I don't know maybe 52:04
you'll meet them tomorrow but what if 52:07
you don't how are we going to make sure 52:08
you live a full and beautiful loving 52:11
life and like you've got tons of 52:13
relationship and tons of intimacy and 52:15
joy and bliss and fun. Like what do you 52:18
actually need to do to feel like you 52:21
aren't holding yourself back from life 52:23
because somebody else hasn't shown up 52:26
yet? We have no control over I feel like 52:28
the moment my wife was ready to meet me, 52:31
she appeared like out of thin air and 52:34
like a day before it just wasn't ready. 52:37
>> Mhm. 52:40
>> And I'm older than her. And so it was 52:40
like I was like, "Oh my god, like I am 52:42
that's it. like I've I've lost I'm too 52:44
old now or you know all the things that 52:48
that come with being out of sync in 52:50
those kinds of ways. So we each have our 52:51
own journey. We don't know why it is. 52:55
And yes, the chart will speak to it. But 52:57
I first and for foremost want to hold 53:00
you as a human and acknowledge what 53:02
you're struggling with. And then that's 53:05
a real struggle and those are real 53:07
fears. Can people miss the love of their 53:09
life success 53:13
that moment because they weren't 53:16
prepared at the right time? 53:18
Oh gosh, [sighs] 53:21
that's [laughter] 53:22
I 53:25
I think that for me, 53:28
I have certainly 53:31
done things to delay 53:34
my own success and my own arrival. I 53:37
have burned bridges. I have done things 53:40
in the past that I look back on and I'm 53:44
like, "Oh my god, but I was so full of 53:46
insecurity. I felt so unlovable. I felt 53:49
so all the things that I didn't know how 53:52
else to act. I was coming with my best 53:55
and it wasn't meeting the situation. So 53:58
in one way it's like well I wasn't ready 54:01
for it and I had to learn and grow and 54:03
you know really like kind of wrestle 54:05
with life and learn and so I wasn't 54:07
quite ready for it. But 54:11
>> I don't know if you can miss it. I don't 54:13
know. I think I feel like that's kind of 54:15
fatalistic. M 54:17
>> I I just feel like when you that you you 54:19
won't catch the other relationships 54:22
maybe or the other job opportunities 54:26
like you will lose some stuff if you 54:29
don't know how to show up for it 54:30
>> but it doesn't mean that it won't come 54:32
back in a different it 54:34
>> doesn't mean it will never exist 54:36
>> it just means it could be delayed. 54:38
>> Yeah. 54:39
>> And 54:40
>> and then you got to wait for the next 54:40
bus to come. [laughter] 54:42
>> Yeah. Yeah. 54:42
>> And then you got to like figure out what 54:43
you're doing with yourself. Are you 54:45
going to read a book? Are you going to 54:46
waste your time on TikTok? I don't know 54:47
like what are you going to do in the in 54:48
between? 54:50
>> Yeah. Does astrology believe in the idea 54:50
of the one that there's one perfect 54:52
person for you or that there are many 54:54
people who it could work with? 54:57
>> I don't think it it doesn't have that 54:59
kind of judgment. It looks at the chart 55:01
like you can see when someone will have 55:03
multiple significant partnerships. You 55:05
can see when people have multiple 55:08
children. You can see like there's are 55:09
there are ways of seeing those things. 55:11
And then there's, you know, it's really 55:14
important for 55:18
us to understand like how 55:21
how we work, right? So like if I 55:24
understand how I work, then every 55:26
relationship I'm showing up to is going 55:29
to have a greater potential for me to 55:31
learn from. 55:33
>> [snorts] 55:34
>> And so the one I don't know like every 55:34
everyone that I'm in a relationship with 55:37
is so important to my life and my 55:41
understanding like every single friend, 55:43
everyone in my company, everyone teaches 55:46
me so much cuz I'm always learning about 55:48
how I'm dealing with another human being 55:51
given the conditions I'm dealing with 55:54
them in. So I think everyone is the one 55:56
that we're if we're in a relationship 56:00
and we're in contact like that's it. And 56:02
then there are these people like no one 56:05
else in my life made me feel seen the 56:08
way my wife did ever. No one got me. I 56:11
don't trust anyone like I trust her. 56:14
Like her talent, her her instincts, her 56:17
intuition, her knowledge, her wisdom is 56:21
for me just unparalleled. So the synergy 56:24
between us when we met was just 56:28
undeniable. There was too many things 56:30
that happened that were like that was 56:32
how did you know that I was going to say 56:35
that or how did you pull that book out? 56:37
I was going to give it to you. You know 56:40
there was just so many things that 56:41
occurred that I was like this is bigger 56:43
than the two of us. This is something 56:45
else. This is a third thing. And that is 56:48
so unique and so special that you might 56:51
call that the one and that's fine if 56:55
that's the language. I just think it's 56:58
really important to recognize when those 57:00
things occur. There are some people that 57:03
come into your life and they just change 57:06
the entire trajectory of it. I've had 57:08
teachers like that and I've had, you 57:10
know, this relationship that has been 57:13
like that and everybody else was really 57:15
helpful, you know, like [laughter] we 57:17
did great. It was, you know, it did it 57:19
was fine. 57:21
>> But this is a distinct category in and 57:22
of itself, I think, when and that's my 57:25
calling. Like that's my life story. 57:29
>> Yeah. Yeah. 57:31
>> I know people that don't have that 57:32
story. They have a different story. And 57:33
so some people's one is their career or 57:36
their art, their calling. Like that's 57:39
their one. And that's beautiful. And I 57:42
just I want us to live in like a village 57:44
full of really distinct different humans 57:47
that do life in all kinds of different 57:50
ways so that we can share child care. 57:52
And [laughter] 57:54
>> I love that 57:57
not everyone should have children. Not 57:59
everyone should get married, you know, 58:01
like some of us should live on the 58:03
outskirts, some of us should live in the 58:04
center. Like some of us are cooking for 58:06
everybody, some of us are teaching, some 58:08
of us 58:09
>> will astrology tell you that's better 58:09
for you. Like does astrology does 58:11
astrology predetermine whether you're 58:13
going to have kids or not? Like how many 58:14
kids you'll have? 58:16
>> I've had a Vic astrologer tell me that I 58:17
wasn't going to have kids and I do. 58:19
>> How do you how So how do you reconcile 58:20
that as someone who practices who 58:22
believes in 58:24
>> I understand why he said that and yet 58:25
it's not true. So it's like 58:28
>> it's a certain condition in my chart and 58:31
it's like not great for having kids. And 58:33
you could 58:37
>> I mean I'm queer so the way we had a kid 58:38
is different than how heterosexuals have 58:41
kids. So if he was trying to look at my 58:43
chart through a heterosexual lens then 58:45
yes he's right. But 58:48
>> interesting. Yeah. 58:50
>> You know so it's really about the 58:50
astrologer and where they're coming 58:52
from. I've [snorts] had an astrologer 58:54
look at my chart and be like I don't 58:56
know how you're ever going to find love. 58:57
like basically you're doomed. 58:59
>> How is so how do you reconcile that? 59:01
>> I was like that's a really awful thing 59:03
to say to somebody that's not helpful. 59:05
Even if you think that's true and you 59:08
think you're right, I don't know how 59:10
that's ever going to help me. 59:12
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, as an astrologer or a 59:13
coach or a therapist, 59:16
even if my person in front of me takes 59:18
it all with a grain of salt, I have a 59:20
tremendous responsibility 59:22
to be very encouraging of somebody's 59:24
best to come forth. 59:27
>> I don't need to make them feel doomed. 59:29
>> That's everybody already does feel 59:31
doomed. Like, we already go there. So, 59:32
what can I do to help fortify that 59:35
person to help them find their power, 59:39
their creativity, 59:43
their special thing in this life, and to 59:45
move from that place? 59:48
>> Um, I don't need to make you feel like 59:50
you've got a lack of anything. 59:52
>> And I also don't need to predict 59:55
everything correctly that you're ever 59:56
going to do and say and be. I want that 59:58
to be part of the mystery of who you 00:01
are. M 00:03
>> I just think that you have like 00:04
I don't know when I see somebody's chart 00:07
I'm so fascinated like I'm like oh my 00:09
god you have this thing and you do this 00:11
thing and it's the exact replica of you 00:13
you're living it out you don't even know 00:17
it but it's the exact signature like 00:18
that's so beautiful to me so my work is 00:20
mostly incredibly awe inspiring cuz I 00:23
don't have people coming to me with 00:26
questions of like when am I going to 00:28
meet the one 00:30
>> I really do have people coming to me 00:31
with questions of like, okay, I've done 00:33
this huge career and now I'm at this 00:36
other place and I'm wondering what else 00:38
there is. 00:40
>> Or, you know, 00:41
>> beautiful. Yeah. 00:43
>> Yeah. or I'm in this really dark hard 00:44
place and I feel like the world's turned 00:47
against me and I'm like I'm in that kind 00:49
of crucible place 00:52
>> and then I get to be like yes I see that 00:53
and I'm with you and like this is part 00:55
of your journey and I know you've got 00:58
what it takes to move through this and I 01:00
just 01:02
>> want to witness that with you like I get 01:03
to witness people's 01:05
uh awareness and healing and their 01:08
journey and their gifts and I get to 01:10
remind them of how powerful they are. 01:13
You know, people like I'm sure you have 01:16
this too, but like people with 01:18
extraordinary like talent and success 01:19
doubt themselves so much. I'm like 01:22
>> you too. 01:25
>> Yeah. 01:26
>> You struggle with this insecurity. You 01:26
struggle with this self-doubt. [gasps] 01:29
>> Wow. It's just the human condition. 01:31
>> Yeah. 01:33
>> You know, it's incredible that we're so 01:34
alike in that place. But there's so much 01:36
to what you said about the adeptness of 01:38
the practitioner, like the practitioners 01:41
that you met that told you, "Hey, you're 01:43
doomed. You're never going to find love 01:44
or 01:45
>> whatever it may be." Like I I was 01:46
thinking about it because I think the 01:48
often 01:50
skepticism is well, if everyone's 01:51
telling you different things, then it's 01:53
not an exact science and there can't be 01:55
truth to it then, 01:57
>> right? And I was thinking about even 01:58
medically like I remember this is a long 02:01
time ago now but a doctor checked my 02:03
throat cuz I felt I had a sore throat 02:06
but it was really bad. I was like 02:08
>> losing my voice. It was painful and he 02:10
said, "Yeah, you got a sore throat just 02:13
take antibiotics or whatever." And I 02:14
took them. 02:16
>> Four weeks later it was really bad. 02:16
>> And I went to the doctor. I went to an 02:19
ENT surgeon nose throat surgeon to be 02:22
really clear. And he immediately said to 02:25
me, he goes, "You've had polyp growing 02:27
in your throat for at least x amount of 02:28
months. I can't remember now." 02:30
>> And I was like, "Wait a minute. I 02:32
literally just got it checked 4 weeks 02:33
ago." And he goes, "No, these are 02:35
predunctulated uh polyp. They're big. 02:36
Like they couldn't have grown in 4 02:39
weeks." 02:41
>> And so I'm like, I met a doctor who 02:41
wasn't an expert, who didn't who was a 02:43
doctor, but didn't have 02:45
>> the the right tools or whatever you want 02:46
to call it. And then I met a surgeon who 02:48
was very adept at his job and 02:50
immediately saw what the problem was. 02:52
and I was in surgery and had to get the 02:54
polyp lasered from my throat. But all of 02:56
that to say, I think sometimes people 02:58
look at astrology and just go, "Oh, 02:59
well, if three people said three 03:01
different things, then obviously there's 03:02
no truth to the actual thing, 03:03
>> right?" 03:05
>> But that's not correct because like 03:06
you're saying, there's so much 03:07
>> left to interpretation, cultural 03:10
understanding, 03:13
>> uh, you know, disposition of. Does that 03:14
make sense? 03:17
>> Yeah. And that 03:17
>> I'm saying in defense of 03:18
>> No, I understand what you're saying. I 03:20
think if astrology works, the three 03:22
astrologers should come up with the same 03:23
>> Yeah. 03:26
>> thing, the same reading. That's and 03:27
that's part of why we made an app 03:28
because my my theory is if it works, you 03:30
should be able to pull up your chart in 03:34
my app and get some kind of guidance 03:36
from it and get feel seen, feel 03:39
witnessed, and feel like, oh, I make 03:42
sense to myself. just because the 03:44
technology of the astrology is sound 03:48
when it's used 03:51
well. And I think that, you know, we're 03:53
humans and so you have to take that into 03:55
account that when you're going to 03:58
another human for advice or for their 03:59
expertise, 04:02
you're going to have your own 04:03
relationship with them. You're going to 04:04
walk into the room and they're going to 04:06
have a reaction to you. [laughter] 04:07
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. 04:08
>> And it's up to them whether they deal 04:10
with that in a productive way or not. 04:11
>> Yeah. 04:13
>> Yeah. So many people talk about Saturn 04:14
return. Yeah. 04:16
>> What is it actually? 04:17
>> It's when Saturn comes back to the same 04:19
place it was when you were born. And 04:21
because Saturn is the planet that to the 04:22
naked eye is the last planet in the in 04:26
our little solar system. It was thought 04:29
as such a big moment because every 28 04:32
years you go through this closing of a 04:36
loop. So between the age of 27ish 28 27 04:38
to 30 you go through this kind of 04:42
closing of a door and a threshold 04:44
experience into a new stage of life. 04:47
Saturn is the planet of responsibility 04:51
and of 04:53
adulthood. And it's also the planet 04:55
that's of mortality. It's like hey I'm 04:58
the time lord. Like you don't have all 05:00
the time in the world. So at 30, you 05:02
should be going through some kind of 05:05
crisis, some kind of like, oh, I guess 05:07
I'm going to get old, too. And you 05:10
should also be doing things [snorts] 05:12
that require everything from you. Saturn 05:15
is a planet of discipline and hard work. 05:20
And so this is the time to put your 05:22
money where your mouth is to like be 05:25
in the game fully and to again own your 05:29
choice and to say I chose to do this. 05:32
And it's also a planet of separation. So 05:36
in some way shape or form we usually 05:38
separate from our family of origin. 05:40
Maybe that's psychologically, maybe it's 05:42
physically, maybe we get married, maybe, 05:44
you know, some kind of big life 05:48
transition happens at that time that 05:49
distinguishes us from our family of 05:51
origin. Not that we're not still part of 05:53
it and we could still be living at home 05:56
even in well and you know for the rest 05:57
of our lives but there's something here 05:59
that's like I have to build a really 06:01
solid foundation in the world that is 06:04
mine that is apart from the thing that I 06:08
come from or apart from the convenience 06:11
or the comfort of the people that you 06:13
know hopefully you have people that love 06:16
you and you can feel like you can fall 06:17
back on them but you need to understand 06:18
that you can go out there and do 06:20
something for yourself or that you can 06:22
separate in the ways that you need to 06:25
separate psychologically, emotionally, 06:27
sometimes physically, sometimes 06:30
monetary. 06:31
>> That's not a negative thing at all. 06:32
>> That's really 06:33
>> But then why do we talk about it in such 06:34
a 06:35
>> because the internet [laughter] because 06:35
people are like, "Oh, my Saturn return 06:38
was awful 06:39
>> and then they blame everything on the 06:41
Saturn return." But a Saturn return 06:42
should be a time of of a kind of like 06:45
again discipline, awareness, strictness 06:50
almost like severity sometimes, but also 06:52
like so much joy. Like in my southern 06:56
return, I moved to LA 06:58
>> and I was I didn't know anybody here. I 07:00
didn't have any money. I didn't have any 07:03
contacts. I didn't have anything. And I 07:05
was like elated. 07:07
>> I really did walk out of my life. I was 07:10
living in Toronto and I I left and I 07:12
started this whole new chapter here and 07:17
it was on my own terms and I had to 07:20
really prove myself to myself 07:22
>> that I could do this and there were days 07:25
where I didn't have anybody to call and 07:29
there were financial struggles and I 07:30
didn't have a car and like it was a 07:33
whole thing but I did it and that no one 07:35
could ever take that away from me 07:39
>> and as much as I believe in community 07:41
and I believe that we shouldn't live in 07:43
an individualistic kind of culture. We 07:45
have to do those things that help us 07:48
understand what we're made of. 07:51
>> That h help us understand like put me 07:53
anywhere and I'll figure it out. 07:56
>> That's how I function at least. And so 07:58
that happens at there's a version of 08:00
that that happens at 7, at 14, at 21, 08:01
and then at like 28ish. That's the big 08:04
one. 08:07
>> I can relate to every single thing you 08:07
just said. 08:09
>> Yeah. every single thing you said. It's 08:09
it's so vivid for me. It's like 08:12
>> 14 in I mean this is small but 08:14
>> I remember at 14 that's like the age in 08:17
England that you decide what you're 08:19
going to study for like 08:20
>> oh that's 08:22
>> like it's it's an you do it quite early 08:22
I assume. So I remember like fighting 08:24
with my parents about what I wanted to 08:27
focus on and I won and did what I wanted 08:28
to do 08:30
>> and that's when I fel first felt 08:31
confidence in who I was and my ability 08:33
and then 21 going on 22 I decided to go 08:35
live as a monk. 08:38
>> Oh my god. So that was a big decision. 08:39
And then 28 I moved to New York and I 08:40
was in New York for 2 years going 08:42
through exactly what you said when you 08:44
moved to LA. 08:45
>> Yeah. 08:46
>> And it's amazing how that tracks and now 08:47
I'm 38. So I've been through 35 as well. 08:49
>> Yeah. 08:52
>> Um which was an amazing year. But 08:52
>> you plant a seed at the Saturn return 08:56
cycle of your own selfhood, of your own 08:58
adulthood. 09:01
>> Yeah. 09:02
>> You're like, I am going to stake a claim 09:02
here. Maybe this is hard. Maybe it 09:04
sucks. Maybe I'm lonely, 09:06
>> but I'm doing this 09:08
>> and this is my choice. 09:09
>> And then by the time you get to 36, 09:11
you're at that next first quarter square 09:13
and you get to see what worked. 09:16
>> Like what from that seed that you 09:18
planted at around 30, 09:20
>> yeah, 09:21
>> is growing, 09:22
>> right? 09:23
>> And then you're like, okay, I'm either 09:23
going to double down on that now 09:24
>> or it's not a viable option. And so it's 09:27
this really, I think, really helpful 09:30
kind of growth cycle. It's so important 09:32
because we almost look at all the long 09:34
wrong ages. [laughter] 09:36
>> Uh like if you look at the material take 09:38
on it, it's like we look obvious we look 09:40
at like 16 or 18 becoming an 18 becoming 09:42
an adult. 09:45
>> Like sweet 16 birthday 18 become an 09:46
adult. 21 sure you graduate. So that 09:48
feels on track but then it almost feels 09:51
like after 21 no one cares and then it's 09:52
like I'm 30 and I'm 40 and then you're 09:55
just scared about 09:56
>> the next decade. Yeah. So it's it's less 09:58
about growth. It's less about I I loved 10:02
what you were saying about how like from 10:05
28 to 30 that whole idea was I'm locking 10:06
in. I choose what I focus on. 10:09
>> The discipline, the grit. I mean, I can 10:11
relate to every single one of those 10:13
things. 10:15
>> I have to put I have to invest in 10:15
myself. So, we're talking about those 10:17
people earlier that maybe have a really 10:19
easy situation. If they don't do that 10:21
sad and return thing and they just kind 10:25
of fall back on what's easy, then at 36 10:27
it gets harder and then again at like 10:31
the early 40s it does too. And it's 10:34
Saturn is also this like mark it can 10:36
feel depressive 10:38
until again you kind of start to work 10:41
towards well what is the discipline that 10:43
I need in order to do this? But some of 10:46
us really like thrive on discipline and 10:48
[laughter] some of us really have a hard 10:51
time with it. You know, there are 10:53
signatures in the chart. I have I have 10:55
some friends like this that they're just 10:57
so good at having fun. And so it's hard 10:59
to like gather them and to like help 11:01
them to focus because part of the 11:05
signature of their life is to like enjoy 11:07
things 11:10
>> and then you have to kind of like work 11:11
against that somewhat. 11:13
>> Yeah. So if someone's about to enter 11:14
their Saturn return, 11:16
>> yeah, 11:17
>> what would you recommend they do? 11:18
>> Do the things that are hard that are 11:20
that are going to require everything 11:22
from you that are going to be worthwhile 11:24
in the long run. Like what is going to 11:27
be satisfying to you 7 years from now? 11:30
Do not think about instant 11:33
gratification. Do not This is not a 11:35
social media game. Like this is about if 11:37
you only had seven years left, what 11:41
would you do? Like what do you want to 11:44
make sure you've left here and what 11:47
would move you deeper into your 11:50
integrity 11:52
so that you were proud of even having 11:54
attempted it? And if it's not that 11:57
serious, then it's not really either 12:01
part of your saturn return or it's not 12:04
going to last for that long. 12:06
>> [snorts] 12:08
>> And so if you it's a lot of times people 12:08
will get to that age and you'll start to 12:10
see their life crack because they've 12:12
spent their 20s in an industry that 12:15
maybe wasn't the industry of their 12:18
dreams or that took everything from them 12:20
and they realized it's not really their 12:22
calling. And so they've been locked in 12:24
this maybe like corporate thing or 12:26
they've been locked in this other you 12:28
know relationship and you start to feel 12:30
the cracks show at around 28 2930 12:32
>> and so this is your chance. This is like 12:36
a portal of time. I mean any day is your 12:39
chance but this is a time where the 12:41
pressure and the gravity of what doesn't 12:43
feel good in your life will become 12:46
really acute. So, if you're fearing your 12:48
Saturn return, you're actually fearing 12:52
the truth of your situation and you're 12:56
fearing confronting 12:58
what you actually need to do and the 13:01
work it will take to do it. And that's 13:04
fine. You can fear it, but you can also 13:06
just like embrace it 13:09
>> and move into it and and be okay with I 13:11
think you also have to be okay with 13:16
being alone, going it alone. You have to 13:18
be okay with doing something that wasn't 13:20
expected. You have to be okay with 13:23
disappointing people. 13:25
>> And it's a time where you're supposed to 13:27
learn about boundaries. 13:29
And so if you can't have a boundary with 13:31
yourself, which is to say, I will not 13:35
abandon myself, 13:39
then it's going to be really rough. M 13:41
>> but if you promise that you will not 13:43
abandon yourself, you will not abandon 13:45
your gifts and your talents and your 13:47
inner knowing, then the Saturn return 13:50
will really set you on a course that 13:52
feels like liberation 13:55
>> because it's stripping you down and 13:57
being like it's this or it's going to be 14:00
like what pain do you want to choose? M 14:05
>> you want to choose the pain of choosing 14:07
the thing you know you need to choose or 14:08
do you want to choose the pain of 14:11
denying that 14:12
>> and that's kind of the crossroads that 14:13
the Saturn return finds us at. 14:15
>> You have totally redefined my 14:17
perspective of Saturn return [laughter] 14:18
>> brilliant. It's so much more powerful as 14:21
well. It's 14:23
>> Yeah, it is. It's so powerful. 14:23
>> It's so powerful. It's so empowering. 14:25
It's so clear. It's so 14:26
>> it's so better than it's so clarifying 14:28
>> to know what you need to focus on and 14:32
what this period of life is about. and 14:34
>> also just like the willingness to get on 14:37
with it and build and you know create 14:39
and so 14:41
>> the other the other word that's thrown 14:42
around is Mercury retrograde 14:44
>> and so I was like [snorts] 14:46
>> so what is Mercury retrograde 14:47
>> and how does it actually affect you? 14:51
>> Yeah, it's very common. It happens three 14:53
to four times a year for 3 weeks a year. 14:56
3 weeks each time. So that's like at 14:58
least 9 weeks a year out of 52 it's 15:00
going to be retrograde. So because it's 15:03
so common, 15:05
it is so prevalent and it is so 15:07
misunderstood. So [laughter] 15:09
>> please clarify. 15:12
>> I wish no one ever mentioned Mercury 15:13
retrograde [laughter] because I think 15:15
it's the main reason why people hate 15:17
astrology because someone at the office 15:19
will be like, I told you everything was 15:21
going to go wrong because Mercury's 15:23
retrograde. Um it is a planet of 15:24
communication and is a planet that can 15:27
rule every and we you know rely on 15:30
gadgets and technology and that's all uh 15:32
the ways in which we communicate. So 15:36
there are some very famous you know 15:39
things that have happened during a 15:41
Mercury retrograde with tech companies 15:43
that are kind of comical. I'm sure 15:44
they're really difficult for the people 15:46
that are working in them, but for like 15:48
sites to go down and for communication 15:50
to be bumpy is what is supposed to 15:52
happen during Mercury retrograde. 15:55
>> But it becomes this catchall for 15:57
everything. It becomes a catch-all for 15:59
everybody's every emotion. It becomes a 16:01
catch-all for every single thing going 16:04
wrong ever in the universe. And so then 16:05
it loses its definition and it loses its 16:08
specificity and it loses its meaning. 16:11
>> [snorts] 16:13
>> So, it's something really common that 16:13
happens. And what it's trying to teach 16:15
us is stop, 16:17
pause, and turn around and look at what 16:20
just happened. Review where you just 16:24
came from. Review the document. Do you 16:27
need to send that text? Like, it's a 16:31
good time to practice. 16:33
even whether or not you believe in 16:36
astrology, it's just like a good time to 16:37
practice mindfulness and thoughtfulness 16:39
and reflection. And that's really what 16:42
it's about 16:44
>> or it's supposed to be about. It's just 16:45
like a good time to be reflective. And I 16:47
find that it's a it's a I also have a 16:50
tech company. So, um I think that 16:52
sometimes we feel it a little bit more 16:56
acutely than other people. If 16:58
something's going to break, it generally 16:59
does break during Mercury. And I 17:00
[laughter] hate it because I'm always 17:02
telling people it's not you. I'm like, 17:03
don't make such a big deal about it. And 17:04
then I'm like, "Oh my god, here it is 17:06
again." 17:07
>> But what I also find having a team, and 17:08
this is for, you know, we all have a 17:10
team, whether it's a family or 17:12
housemates or business or whatever, 17:13
>> is that the team, whatever the team's 17:16
working on, like the system that we've 17:19
put in place to work on a project 17:21
together, if there's cracks in that 17:23
system, it'll reveal itself and it'll be 17:26
like, "Oh, well, we didn't put this 17:28
thing in place, so then the thing went 17:29
out completely wrong and why didn't we 17:31
have that system in place?" and 17:33
everyone's like, I thought you were 17:34
doing it. I thought And so you tend to 17:35
find the ways in which we haven't 17:38
systematized something in our life. 17:40
>> That's so interesting. I love that. 17:43
>> Yeah. 17:45
>> And that's a more sustainable 17:45
>> uh sustainable solution. 17:48
>> Yes. 17:50
>> Because if you figure out the system, 17:51
then the next time Mercury is in 17:52
retrograde, the same thing can't break. 17:53
>> Right. And it's just like for life, 17:56
you're like, "Oh, well, this was always 17:57
going to break." 17:58
>> Yeah. 17:59
>> So it just broke now 18:00
>> because it's time for it to break. But 18:01
this was never going to work long term. 18:03
So I can't I'm not going to get mad at 18:06
the planet. I'm going to be like, okay, 18:08
where else in my life am I not paying 18:10
attention to this thing? 18:12
>> Where else in my life am I not seeing 18:13
that like this system doesn't work 18:15
>> or there's there's a malfunction here 18:18
and I need to adjust the way in which 18:20
I'm approaching it. And also it's just a 18:23
really good time to think like how am I 18:26
communicating 18:27
to the people in my life 18:29
>> that I work with like are they 18:31
receiving are they hearing me? Am I 18:34
saying things that 18:37
are getting the message across? 18:39
>> Like what do you need me to say more of? 18:42
Or what do I say to you that like shuts 18:45
you down? Mhm. 18:48
>> What do I say to you that makes you feel 18:49
small or unworthy? Do I say things to 18:52
you that make you feel a certain way 18:56
that I don't want to do that, but I 18:59
might be doing it unconsciously? So, 19:02
it's a good time to also think about the 19:03
ways in which we speak to each other. 19:06
[clears throat] 19:08
>> And I think because our culture is so 19:08
like go go go and forward forward. 19:11
Um, these are just invitations to be 19:14
more reflective and considerate of what 19:17
we're saying and how we're saying it. 19:20
>> Do you think sometimes we use charts and 19:22
signs as an excuse for our bad behavior 19:24
or 19:27
>> always 19:27
>> acting a certain way? [laughter] 19:28
>> Always. I wish I wish I wish we didn't 19:30
do it because I I it's not what it's 19:33
about. It's never um 19:36
It's never the reason why someone's 19:39
acting badly. 19:41
>> Interesting. Yeah. It's not because 19:42
they're sign. 19:44
>> It's because a need isn't being met or, 19:45
you know, there's some they're 19:48
disregulated or, you know, there's 19:49
something else happened before they 19:51
walked in here. They might do it in a 19:53
certain style that might be in 19:56
accordance with what you think their 19:58
sign means, but it's not that. As 20:00
humans, we're always looking for 20:03
patterns. And of course, as an 20:04
astrologer, I love to look at patterns 20:05
because I look at cycles and I try to 20:07
see like, oh, what happened 300 years 20:09
ago when Pluto was in Aquarius? Oh, we 20:11
had an industrial revolution. Oh, Pluto 20:13
just went back into Aquarius in March of 20:15
2023. Oh, that's when Chat GBT exploded 20:17
onto the scene. Like, that isn't another 20:19
industrial revolution. 20:22
And there's a million signatures that 20:24
you can look at like that. So, it's 20:26
interesting to see like these big 20:27
cycles. But because humans always want 20:29
to find pattern recognition, what we 20:31
tend to focus on is like that Gemini 20:34
broke my heart and so I'm going to see 20:37
that characteristic in every other 20:40
Gemini that I ever meet, you know, and 20:41
that's I just don't think it's helpful. 20:43
>> We often hear about how certain signs 20:45
are compatible and certain signs are not 20:48
>> based on what you just said. 20:50
>> Awful advice. [laughter] 20:52
>> Not good. 20:53
>> Every sign is compatible. 20:55
>> No way. There are specific ways in which 20:57
the signs will re like say so when 21:00
people talk about that they're often 21:04
talking about their sun sign. So that's 21:06
again one tiny part of someone's whole 21:09
entire chart. I really want to look at 21:11
the moment that you were born you have 21:14
this full picture of the sky and the 21:16
moment they were born there's a full 21:18
picture of the sky. How do those two 21:20
pictures line up? Because there's all 21:22
those different points. I need to know 21:24
if you're what style is your Venus, what 21:26
style is their Venus. 21:29
There's no bad combination of Venus 21:31
signs. There's just styles. Like your 21:34
style of being your sun sign and my 21:38
style of being my sun sign will have a 21:40
relationship in a certain way, but 21:43
that's also obviously based on us. But 21:45
it's it's not about there being good and 21:48
bad matches. There's about being there's 21:50
certain resonances with certain signs, 21:53
but you shouldn't be with somebody just 21:56
because there's ease. Like that's silly. 21:58
>> And it really is about the whole 22:03
entirety of somebody and their chart and 22:06
the whole entirety of you and your chart 22:08
and how those full two things go 22:10
together. But I don't think you should 22:12
look at somebody's chart until you know 22:15
them. 22:17
>> Because we all make assumptions. 22:19
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think there's such a 22:21
negativity bias that we have obviously 22:22
naturally as humans. 22:24
>> Yeah. 22:25
>> That as soon as you hear like you said, 22:25
"Oh, my last ex was a Gemini. This one 22:27
is too." Or, "Oh, the chart said this 22:29
and this is what Yeah. 22:32
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I just don't think 22:34
it it's helpful when you're trying to 22:36
meet somebody and get to know them. 22:39
>> So, when you're dating, you'd suggest we 22:40
actually just date the person." 22:42
>> Yes, [laughter] I would love that. If we 22:44
if we happen to like them and things are 22:46
getting more serious and we believe in 22:48
astrology and value it then that should 22:50
come later. 22:52
>> Yeah. Then you can see like okay where 22:53
do we come together like what are the 22:55
things that we would be good at doing 22:57
together or you would just probably 22:59
notice like oh yeah that is what we 23:01
naturally do together. How cool that 23:02
that is reaffirmed in our charts. But I 23:04
think you should always 23:07
come to a first date or a situation 23:09
where you might be meeting someone and 23:13
really again try to feel what it feels 23:15
like to be with them. What is the energy 23:18
between you? Like do you feel safe? What 23:21
is your body saying? Like what are they 23:24
telling you? What are the little things 23:26
they're telling you that you would 23:28
normally not listen to? Are there red 23:30
flags? Like there's a million things to 23:33
look at and pay attention to before you 23:35
get to an astrology chart. 23:37
>> Can astrology charts tell you about some 23:38
of the long-term red flags? 23:40
>> Yeah. Yeah. 23:42
>> Like what? 23:44
>> Yeah. Like where you'll uh have like 23:44
communication issues down the road where 23:48
like your Venuses like our my Venus is 23:51
in a certain sign, your Venus is in a 23:55
certain sign. So, if it's really 23:57
different or if they don't have a 23:59
relationship with one another, then 24:00
we're going to have to work to kind of 24:02
like connect it. You know, there's 24:04
things that will eventually aggravate 24:07
you about any person that you're with 24:09
long term. And those differences and 24:10
disparities are in the charts, but 24:13
they're also in the relationship. So, 24:16
you know what they are. The chart will 24:18
just kind of confirm that that those are 24:21
differences. And this these are where 24:24
you come together and this is where you 24:26
kind of go your separate ways or this is 24:27
where you will generally tend to like 24:29
miss each other. Like my wife and I have 24:31
very different incompatible charts and a 24:33
lot of things just don't go together. 24:37
There's obviously places where it's like 24:38
full harmony. But then there's places 24:40
where we're just like kind of alien to 24:43
each other almost. And [snorts] it's not 24:45
that I don't relate to those parts of 24:48
her, she doesn't relate to those parts 24:51
of me. It's just we do it so 24:52
differently. 24:54
>> Yeah. 24:55
>> And that's what makes our relationship, 24:56
you know, it's like, oh, that's what 24:58
she's doing the thing or I'm doing the 25:00
thing. And that makes me have to 25:02
struggle to like appreciate and 25:04
understand somebody else and there's 25:07
always going to be that disparity in any 25:11
relationship. 25:13
>> Yeah, I couldn't agree more. 25:15
>> I feel like we always want everything 25:16
easy and simple and prepackaged and it's 25:17
like 25:19
>> Well, yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's 25:20
almost like that balance between it 25:22
shouldn't be 25:24
excruciating or torture you obviously 25:26
and then it it can't ever be fully 25:28
seamless and easy. 25:31
>> Yeah. That's only when we're first born 25:32
hopefully with our parent, you know, 25:34
like 25:36
>> if that 25:36
>> if that Yeah. Most of us don't even have 25:37
that. But that's what we're I feel like 25:40
trying to get back to that 25:41
>> totally that total union. 25:44
>> And that's not what being a human is. We 25:47
have to separate from each other and we 25:49
have to find those places 25:51
>> um of difference. 25:53
>> Yeah. As as it's coming up to the end of 25:55
the year and 25:57
>> people may be looking back and thinking 25:58
this year didn't go the way they wanted 26:00
to. 26:02
>> Maybe they didn't make the progress in 26:03
their career that they wanted. Maybe 26:05
their relationship is just about 26:07
surviving. Maybe they haven't found a 26:10
partner that they're looking for. How 26:12
would you encourage them to release this 26:14
year so that they can truly move into 26:16
the next year with a healthier mindset 26:19
and approach? 26:22
>> I think that one of the things that's 26:23
important to remember about this time of 26:27
year, at least in the northern 26:29
hemisphere, is that we're moving into 26:30
more and more darkness. We're moving 26:32
away from the great activity of summer 26:35
and we're moving into the quietness and 26:37
the stillness, which again is hard for 26:39
most of us because life is so busy. But 26:42
I think it's really important to allow 26:45
yourself to think about this frame of 26:47
time, especially as we move closer to 26:50
the winter solstice, as being a time 26:53
where we're just allowing a waning of 26:56
energy to occur, and we're allowing that 26:59
waning of of conscious activity to help 27:02
us transition into a a place of of 27:05
stillness and regeneration. 27:10
And then if we don't allow those times 27:12
of release, like if the year was hard, 27:16
it was hard for I think most people in a 27:19
lot of different ways in a a lot of 27:21
different places. And so if we don't 27:23
allow certain times, especially at the 27:26
end of the year, 27:28
to unwind and to to fully kind of just 27:30
like let it be like whatever this year 27:34
has been for you, 27:38
that happened. it impacted you. What is 27:40
it that you're left with now? And just 27:44
allowing some days, especially, you 27:46
know, in December, especially as we move 27:49
towards the 21st of December, the 27:52
solstice 27:54
to just be with what was, who were you 27:56
at the beginning of last year, who are 28:00
you now at the end of this year? and 28:02
have those moments of reflection because 28:05
you know like the year will change and 28:08
things will open up and it'll be busy 28:11
busy busy and it'll be a lot of things 28:13
but astrologically speaking 2025 was one 28:15
of those like gamechanging years where 28:19
all of these major planets change signs 28:22
and so it was a signal that this year 28:24
was going to be very different than 28:27
years that we've had in the past and 28:30
there was going to be things that were 28:31
going to happen this here that were 28:34
going to impact us for decades to come. 28:35
So, if you feel like you haven't been 28:38
able to do all the personal things that 28:40
you wanted to do, yes, like we're in the 28:42
midst of a massive transition and a lot 28:45
of change and so you're also 28:48
caught up in a greater cycle of things, 28:52
right? We're in a collective thing right 28:55
now. And so the world is working and 28:57
looking differently. And so 29:00
allowing yourself time to just reflect 29:04
and not even so much with your mind, but 29:07
just like allowing your body to 29:10
decompress in any way, shape or form 29:11
to just deal with the impact of what 29:17
this year has brought, I think is a huge 29:19
gift to yourself. and allowing yourself 29:23
some time again if you don't have kids 29:26
but allowing yourself some time to write 29:28
to reflect and to reset like you can 29:31
reset we can take a pause we can you 29:35
know turn the off switch off like let it 29:40
drop down 29:44
>> and give yourself a minute 29:45
>> Mhm. 29:47
>> to be a human. 29:48
>> Yeah. and just like let the reckoning 29:50
kind of happen, but allow yourself to be 29:55
human. 29:57
>> Yeah. 29:58
>> And just be as much as you can. It's the 29:58
gift of darkness. It's the gift of 30:02
winter. It's the gift of this time of 30:04
year is to just like less and less and 30:06
less and less because it'll all come 30:10
back and back and back and back. So any 30:12
of that stillness, anytime you can get 30:15
out in nature, anytime you can gaze up 30:16
at the sky, anytime you can really truly 30:19
be present with your people, like 30:21
hopefully there's gatherings and 30:24
hopefully there's, you know, places of 30:25
warmth and connection in your life. Just 30:27
let yourself be filled back up. If this 30:30
year has been disappointing, do what you 30:33
can to fill yourself back up 30:35
>> at this point. And are there any habits 30:38
or practices you recommend people take 30:40
into the new year or to set themselves 30:42
up for that new year to make it 30:45
different? 30:46
>> Yeah, so I do have, you know, like we 30:47
have on the app, we've got readings for 30:50
the new year. You can map out your whole 30:53
year if you want to use astrology. I go 30:56
through each month and tell you about 30:58
the energy and the pattern of that month 31:00
and like this month is like go time. 31:02
this month is going to look a little 31:04
clustered and a little bit more 31:06
difficult to like but we can do this and 31:08
this and this. So every week I give you 31:11
specific things to do. I'm quite 31:14
actionorientated 31:16
and also reflective but I do like to say 31:18
okay this is what this time is good for. 31:20
This is what we can do. And so I go 31:22
through each month so you could always 31:24
listen to all those readings and kind of 31:26
plan out your month or your year month 31:27
to month. Um, and there is a ritual for 31:30
the solstice that we have on the app 31:33
because I think it is a really powerful 31:36
moment. It's the obviously the longest 31:38
night and shortest day, but from there 31:41
the light starts to increase. So any 31:44
intentions that you set or anything you 31:46
do around the solstice, if you think in 31:49
terms of cycles 31:52
brings the everinccreasing light with 31:54
it. So, it's a really good time to 31:57
think, allow yourself to move into 32:00
stillness and get really contemplative, 32:02
fill yourself up, and then see like what 32:05
are my intentions for this year? And 32:07
plant those intentions by writing them. 32:09
You can burn them if you want. Gather 32:11
with friends, talk about them. 32:14
[clears throat] 32:16
How are you going to bring life into 32:17
your intentions? 32:21
like what are you going to you want to 32:23
again clear space get clear about it 32:25
write them down understand what it is 32:27
you're moving towards and then what are 32:29
you going to do we got to we have to 32:32
feed those we have to feed those 32:34
intentions then 32:36
>> every day but if you want to think of it 32:37
symbolically the winter solstice is that 32:39
time when the light just continues to 32:41
grow into the next 6 months so you could 32:43
use that as a encouragement 32:46
>> Jenny you have completely expanded my 32:48
viewpoint opened my mind in an 32:50
incredible way 32:52
>> and answered so many 32:54
>> hopefully not stupid questions, but uh 32:56
I've learned so much and and I really am 32:59
so happy that for your success and your 33:02
ability to help so many people because I 33:05
can easily tell from sitting with you 33:07
for the past couple of hours that 33:10
everything you're doing is coming from a 33:12
great place but also is truly trying to 33:14
guide people towards their greatness and 33:17
>> their best self and 33:19
>> you know through through all the amazing 33:21
teachings and studies and reseets that 33:23
you've done. So, thank you so much. Such 33:24
a joy. 33:27
>> Uh we end every episode of OnPurpose 33:28
with a final five. Yes. 33:30
>> These questions have to be answered in 33:31
one word to one sentence matter. 33:33
>> Okay. 33:35
>> So, you have a sentence. [laughter] You 33:35
have a sentence. 33:37
>> Uh so, Channy Nichols, these are your 33:38
final five. 33:40
>> The first question is, what is the best 33:41
advice you've ever heard or received? 33:43
>> If you choose it, do not feel sorry for 33:45
yourself about it. Your agency is your 33:49
greatest gift and your greatest power. 33:52
The moment you feel sorry for yourself, 33:55
you decouple yourself. You do the 33:58
yourself the greatest disservice. If you 34:01
choose it, do not feel sorry for 34:03
yourself about what it takes to make it 34:06
happen. You can unchoose it, but 34:08
[snorts] if you're choosing it, this is 34:10
what it is. Do you still want it? 34:12
>> Such a great answer. I love that. 34:15
>> So many. 34:16
>> So good. No, that was great. That was 34:17
great. I loved it. [laughter] Second 34:18
question. What is the worst advice 34:20
you've ever heard or received? 34:21
>> Someone telling me they didn't know how 34:23
I was ever going to find love. 34:25
>> I don't know if that's advice, but 34:27
>> yeah. 34:28
>> Yeah. 34:29
>> Uh, question number three. 34:30
Does astrology tell you when you're 34:33
going to die? 34:35
[snorts and sighs] 34:36
[gasps] 34:37
>> There are ancient timing techniques that 34:38
do. I do not dabble in those arts. 34:41
>> Tell me more about the art. [laughter] 34:44
Tell me more about the arts you don't 34:46
dabble in. 34:47
I don't want to know that there there 34:49
are timing techniques. There's like 34:51
mathematical equations you can do. 34:52
There's ways that you can tell that. 34:55
There are people very few most 34:56
astrologers would say I don't I won't do 34:59
that 35:01
>> cuz I don't I don't that's not a 35:01
>> Yeah, 35:04
>> that's not an art form that I need to 35:04
look at. 35:06
>> It's above my pay grade. 35:07
>> Yeah. Got it. Um question number four. 35:10
What's a misconception about astrology 35:14
that you'd like to debunk? 35:17
>> That there are certain signs that are 35:20
good or bad. 35:23
>> They're all bad. [laughter] 35:24
>> Yes, they're all problematic. 35:26
>> Explain which what's the right answer. 35:30
>> Well, everyone every single sign is an 35:33
archetype. So the archetype is both has 35:36
qualities of both like magnificence and 35:40
horror because they're reflective of us. 35:43
>> So everyone's a problematic fave. 35:47
[laughter] 35:49
>> Uh fifth and final question. We ask this 35:50
to every guest who's ever been on the 35:52
show. If you could create one law that 35:53
everyone in the world had to follow, 35:56
what would it be? 35:57
>> I've listened to a lot of your episodes. 35:59
I don't remember this question. 36:01
>> Oh, it's always lost. 36:02
>> Okay. 36:03
>> So 36:04
>> I have a living. Yeah, exactly. 36:04
[laughter] 36:06
That's what I'm learning, Channy. 36:07
>> Yeah, 36:08
>> the law is that everybody's child is 36:10
yours. 36:13
>> M I love that answer. That's a great 36:14
answer. Never had that before. That's 36:17
brilliant. 36:19
>> Uh the book is called You Were Born for 36:20
This. The app is called the Channy app. 36:22
Uh Channy Nichols. Everyone, please 36:24
share what you learned on your Instagram 36:27
stories, your Tik Toks. I'd love to see 36:28
the clips that you all create and the 36:31
parts of this that you're going to 36:33
practice. Of course, use the app if 36:34
you're someone who really wants to know 36:36
your chart and understand how your next 36:38
year of 2026 is going to map out. And of 36:41
course, go and grab Channy's book, You 36:43
Were Born for This: Astrology for 36:45
Radical Selfacceptance. Uh, and follow 36:46
Channy Nichols across all social media 36:49
platforms if you don't already. Chenny, 36:51
thank you so much for being here today. 36:53
I hope this is the first of many times 36:56
that you'll come on the show and 36:57
enlighten me and our community and so 36:59
grateful for you and thank you for 37:01
asking answering all the questions 37:03
wherever we went. 37:05
>> So grateful to connect with you. Thank 37:06
you so much. 37:08
>> Thank you. 37:09
>> If you love this episode, you'll love my 37:10
conversation with Dr. Joe Dispensza on 37:12
why stress and overthinking negatively 37:14
impacts your brain and heart and how to 37:17
change your habits that are on 37:19
autopilot. Listen to it right now. How 37:21
many times do we have to forget until we 37:24
stop forgetting and start remembering? 37:27
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For anyone who's heard of astrology
>> but doesn't really know what it is. What
is astrology and how does it work?
>> So, astrology is the study of how the
sky mirrors what happens on Earth.
Astrology in your astrology chart is a
mirror of your life, of your life's
purpose, of your soul. It's a mirror of
the events that also happen on the
earth. And when you're born, somebody's
astrology chart is literally like a map
of their life. It's a map of your
potential. It's a map of your problems.
It's a map of your growth edges. It's a
map of all the ways in which you need to
grow and work and change into yourself.
And what it also signifies is that
there's this kind of sense of you're an
amulet of the exact time that you were
born. So every single moment of life has
its own chart. So us meeting today has a
chart for it and it is a crystallization
or the chart becomes a map of what we're
crystallizing together. So you as a
person when you're born, we look at we
take a snapshot of the entire sky when
you're born and the exact lo location
and the exact time that you were born
and we see where everything was in the
sky and that is the amulet of you if you
so choose to work with it and look at
it.
>> So you're looking at everything from the
stars, the moon, the position of where
you were born, the time of birth.
>> Yeah, we're looking at everything. So
literally right now if we were to take a
snapshot of the sky because we are in
this place and because it's this time
there's a specific sign rising up over
the horizon. The sun is in a specific
place in the sky and everything else out
there in relationship to the earth is in
a specific place and it's having a
certain relationship. And so astrology
is the study of those relationships. One
of the longest standing scientific
documents is from ancient Babylon and
it's a 700year
documentation of the planet's movements
and of what happened on Earth during
those movements. So, it's literally our
longest standing scientific record.
Humans forever have been fascinated with
what happens in the sky. And if you
think about it, I was somewhere recently
where there wasn't a lot of electricity
and I could have this like beautiful
swath of sky and I was like, "Oh, wait.
Remember or think about what it was like
before electricity. The sky, if you
could see it, if it was a cloudless
night, it was just like teeming with
light. You could see galaxies. I mean,
you can see the Milky Way. You can see
and then you can see the planets moving.
And so we've always until very recently
had a very specific relationship with
nature, with all of life around us. And
the sky has always been a part of
[snorts] our relationship with life. And
the study of the planets and the study
of the moon, the study of the sun, the
study of the cycles that we live within
also taught us how to count, taught us
how to understand rhythms. I mean, it
taught us math. So it was always an
integral part of how we came to
understand who we were. And so through
the study of the planets for again
hundreds and hundreds of years, people
came up with the ancients came up with
an understanding of what the planets did
and kind of what they meant. And so we
have this lineage of thousands of years
of documentation and thousands of years
of scholarship and [snorts] thousands of
years of people examining
what the sky was looking like and what
it meant for people living that moment
out. So, you're a moment in time and I'm
a moment in time. And that moment in
time had a specific
essence and then you as a person with
free will, as a soul, you get to live
that out and express that however you
want. Like, but it is what it is. But
you have free will within that.
>> We're going to get to that. I'm going to
ask you [laughter] that. When when did
>> I know it freaks people out.
>> No. When did humans when did humans
start to develop astrology or start to
interact with this mindset that what we
see in the sky has relevance to who we
are? Because when you say who we are,
are you talking about
>> personality? Are you talking about you
know what what elements are you talking
about? So the personality kind of test
of astrology is fairly new in terms of
astrology's long long history. But
humans have painted like some of the
earliest paintings we have from the
caves of Lasso and France. They are the
stars. They are the pleades. They're the
stars that would rise up around the
spring. And so it was like the rebirth.
And so again, we have to remember like
as hunters and gatherers, as people, you
know, just like figuring out how to live
on the earth, we would know what time of
year it was because of yes, where the
sun was, but also because of what
constellations were rising. So we were
literally like it was part of our
ability to to find sustenance, to
understand where we were in time and
space. So in terms of understanding
ourselves and our lives and how long
that is, we can only go by what we have
written down. So that's at least a
couple of thousand years old. And I can
only assume that it was much older than
that because, you know, whatever was
written down might have been lost. And
you know, the written word is a fairly
kind of newer technology in human
history. But it's at least a couple of
thousand years old that we've been
making meaning of what it meant when you
were born that the sun was doing this or
there was a you know this thing
happening over here. And for a large
part it was used to understand like
rulerships and it was used to understand
the ways in which civilizations would
kind of come about and like when it was
good for the king to do this or the you
know so and so that was in in power to
do that. And then slowly over a longer
period of time, it began to be much more
about the person and like it became more
open to the greater public.
>> For for anyone who's listening and
they're skeptical about astrology, they
have their doubts, they're cynical about
it,
>> what would you say to them?
>> Great. I love it. Like you should be
cynical. And also, God forbid we all
like the same thing. [laughter] It's
like I don't think that I don't really
even want to live in a world where we
all like believe in astrology, whatever
that might mean. I think diversity is
really important. I think that the ma my
main agenda is that you understand what
your life's purpose is and you move
towards that with the greatest efficacy
possible and that moves you towards
serving the world in your own specific
way. I think that for me, astrology is
my quickest entry point into that, but
there are a thousand and they're all
legitimate and wonderful. I just want
you to find yours. And so, if you don't
like astrology, great. I don't know of
anybody, and I, you know, I'm sure there
is people out there. I don't know of
anybody that has spent a significant
amount of time studying astrology, like
really thoroughly studying it and then
feeling like it had no merit whatsoever.
Young the the psychotherapist,
psychologist, uh, famously thought it
was ridiculous and studied it and
converted himself and then he actually
became somebody who impacted the field
greatly. But I feel like most people
that don't like it are thinking about
sun sign horoscopes, which are like a
gateway drug into astrology, like
they're not the thing.
>> Talk to me about the difference between
what you're talking about and sun sign
horoscopes. So, sunsign horoscopes were
developed around the time of the
printing press so that people could have
an easy access point, an easy entry
point into understanding their
astrology. Cuz basically, if you knew
the day that you were born, give or
take, you knew what sun sign you were.
But before that, it was very, very
focused on the rising sign. And the
rising sign's so specific because again
it's about where you're born and the
exact time because that's the exact
piece of sky that's rising up over the
eastern horizon.
And that's your marker of life. Like
that's your yes, I'm here. I'm saying
yes to this life. I am, you know,
separate from the body that brought me
here. All of that. [snorts] So your sun
sign is like something you share with
people that are born within a 30-day
span as you. It's very general.
There's a lot to be gleaned from it, but
it's not your chart. Only your rising
sign can tell us your entry point and
then it sets up the entire chart. It
sets up the meaning of everything else
for you. So, it's like looking at a
sliver of a picture or like even a a
pixel instead of looking at the whole
thing. So yeah, if you are like, I don't
want to be boiled down to a couple of
tropes about my sun sign, I agree with
you. I don't either. That's why I don't
even like talking about my chart in
public because I don't like having
people think that they understand who I
am by something so surface level.
>> And your chart is so much more complex
than that. I mean, there's like there's
like fractals of fractals that you can
get into of meaning that people again
spent thousands of years developing and
like uh and and pouring their their life
into. And so your sun sign is like it's
fun to share. It's very memeable. It's
very gameable. Um it's very sharable.
And so it's an entry point, but it has
so little to do
>> with the reality of what we're actually
looking at when we look at your chart.
>> Yeah, that's relieving.
>> Yeah,
>> that's good. Yeah, it's really helpful
because I feel like you're absolutely
right that it's sharable, it's
interesting, it's fun to talk about, but
then when you look at how valuable it is
or how accurate it is, naturally, it's
never going to feel that way. Yeah,
>> it's the same as a broad personality
test that divides you into four core
personality types. It's like, of course,
we're far more complex and layered than
that, and we all believe that,
especially as we get older. Can you
explain? You've been referencing birth
chart and chart. Can you explain
>> what that birth chart is? I imagine it's
when you're born, as you were saying,
where everything lands in the sky, but
can you explain how someone can read
that chart? What does that mean to read
someone's birth chart? Yeah. So, it's a
snapshot of the sky the moment that you
were born from the exact location and
time that you were born. And everything
in it is in relationship to each other.
So, you're actually describing all of
the relationships that make up your
life. And
it is, you know, you can look at it
through the lens of your personality,
which is one thing. I think it can be
quite reductive when we do that. But
what like ancient or traditional
astrology is more about is looking at
the quality of each area of your life.
Like where can someone expect to have
success? Where can someone expect to
have maybe some difficulty? What are the
things that are like working for them
and what are the things that are going
to be a challenge and therefore a growth
edge and therefore an opportunity to
develop themselves. And so you can glean
somebody's like nature from it, but it's
really about like, you know, if
someone's struggling to find love in
their life and you look at their chart
and you see like, oh yeah, I can
understand why that's a struggle. It
doesn't mean that they're going to be in
a struggle forever. It means that there
the chart is going to distinguish what
the thing is. And therefore once we know
what the issue is, we can work more
clearly or more definitively towards the
solution for that thing. And so it can
be a really great aid in terms of like
what's what is the pain that you're
carrying? Like what are the things that
you're burdened with in this life? Your
chart will reveal that. And that can
also be a real solace cuz it can feel
sometimes like we have this thing that's
like against us in life. Like why why
won't this thing work out for me or why
doesn't this ever kind of take shape for
me? And when you can see it in the chart
you can be like oh okay that's just a a
setup but there's other ways to work
with that thing but I have to know what
the issue is first. And so I think that
astrology helps us to identify if you
have somebody you know adept looking at
your chart or if you have you know good
education around like what it actually
is then we can use the chart to really
open up those doors for us because
without knowing what the issue is it's
really hard to try to meet it.
>> So you can do that through therapy you
can do that through a lot of different
avenues again astrology is one of them.
How much of how much of this is is it so
important you just said that the
practitioner needs to be adept?
>> Yeah.
>> And it almost feels like to me that the
recipient needs to be adept as well.
>> Yes.
>> And what I [laughter] what I mean by
that what I mean by that is like I I've
always looked at so I never studied this
but as part of my teachings in the
monastery we had people who practiced
Vadic astrology
>> which is thousands and thousands of
years years old. people had incredible
experiences of uh using there's places
in India where they use leaves and
there's writings on leaves there's
charts with literally like strings
attached I mean it's it's spectacular
the the culture and the history of it
>> but what I found was that for example if
I know it's going to rain tomorrow and
there's an adept weather forecast with
by the way I don't know who does good
weather forecast anymore [laughter]
anyway but let's say it's going to rain
tomorrow as an adept person who's
looking at that forecast. I know
tomorrow I better take my umbrella, my
uh uh boots that I'm happy about to get
wet in the rain and a raincoat. And so
it requires me to adapt to the
information.
>> Whereas often what I found today is when
people feel like they're going through a
bad phase or there's something not
working for them. It's kind of like,
well, I can't do anything right now cuz
I'm going through a bad phase. And
that's like me saying, well, I can't
have fun tomorrow cuz it's going to
rain. So talk to me about that. And and
if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.
I'm just sharing it from what I've heard
and seen.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It is the human problem. It
is the human condition, I think, to try
to reduce things down to something
that's simple enough to either blame
life on or to try to like figure out
really quickly. And we also try to I
think have one answer for everything.
So, you know, I mean, I get why it's so
annoying cuz everyone will be like, "Uh,
Mercury retrograde." And you're like,
"No, that's not what it's about."
>> I'm going to get I'm going to ask you
[laughter] about that in a bit.
>> That's not You can't do that. Like, you
can't blame every or I hear people say,
"Well, you know, I'm a Scorpio." And I'm
like, "That has nothing to do with being
a Scorpio." Like, I I get the desire to
do that, but that's not You're using a
hammer to do everything and you need a
feather sometimes and like you need
different tools. So yeah, it's um it is
a it's a it's an interesting thing
because when we're going into a time
period that looks really complex
astrologically, you want to hold it with
like, okay, this looks like it's going
to challenge us. It looks like it's
going to require a lot of mindfulness
from us and it looks like it's going to
require a lot of tenacity and it looks
like it's going to require more from us
than general times. Great. So now we
know that. So show up. How can I help
people show up to that moment? Not
reducing it down to everything's going
to be awful or this is why this is
happening. Because if we lived in a
world where compassion and, you know,
thoughtfulness and community and
people's health and well-being were
front and center, then bad astrology
wouldn't be that bad. It's not the
astrology that's making things bad. it's
revealing or it's it's giving you a kind
of understanding of of again certain
cycles and timings of things. And so if
we can see like well what happened the
last time this cycle happened and what
what worked then we can use it as
something that's empowering. If
astrology isn't empowering I don't think
you should use it.
>> If you feel like astrology is reducing
you to something or freaking you out or
making you paranoid I don't think it's
working. I [snorts] think you should put
it down and not pick it up again
>> until that passes or maybe for the rest
of your life. Like it should help you to
feel like you're more located and you're
better prepared. Like it's I love the
rain. So if it's going to rain tomorrow,
great. Maybe I can like have, you know,
a moody day where I drink tea and write
in my journal.
That's my fantasy. I have a child, so I
[laughter] can't do that. But
>> I love that.
>> I remember days like that.
>> I love that. No. Uh what's the
difference between your sun, your moon,
and your rising? Because you hear people
use this language all the time.
>> What's the difference? What does it
mean?
>> Yeah. Well, your rising sign is the
marker of your life. It is the marker of
your yes to life. So, it's the marker of
your motivation. It is what you're
motivated to do here in the world. And
it is your yes. It's like, okay, I'm
here. I'm born. Your sun is how you
shine. It's like part of how you
illuminate, how your soul illuminates
things. It's like what lights you up.
And your moon is your body. Your moon is
the physical world. If you think of the
moon as a reflector of the sun's light,
the moon in our chart reflects the light
of our soul, the light of our sun. And
we can only have this incarnation
through the body. And so it it's the
holder, the keeper of memory. It is
about the physical world and the
physical realm and how sacred it is to
have a body to have incarnated into. And
we get to do our life purpose through
our body a little bit every day. Come
the tiredness and the joy and all the
things. But the body keeps the score of
all of that, so to speak.
>> So when you're reading someone's birth
chart, you're seeing all of these.
>> Could you give examples of what would
fit into each one for anyone that you've
read before? Randomly, obviously not.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, like when someone
has a Leo rising, then they're motivated
to show up and really shine in the
world. They're motivated to illuminate
something, to be charming, to be
adorable, to be like a recipient of
people's adoration or attention. But
what it also does, the rising sign gives
you a key to the meaning of your life
because it the planet that rules that
sign is the planet that steers the ship
of your life. And so if you feel lost,
if you feel like you're not sure what
your purpose is, one of the quickest
ways to understand it astrologically is
to understand where the planet that
rules your rising sign is. And so if
your the ruler of your rising sign is in
your 10th house of career, then that's
it's going to be a major part. If it's
in your sixth house of service, then
maybe your your volunteering is going to
be, you know, it's like where are the
planets located and what job are they
doing? The planet that rules your
ascendant is literally at the helm of
the ship of your life. And so quite
often when I give people readings and
over the years I've given mostly
strangers readings and you know back
before Zoom before the pandemic when we
were all on Skype I wouldn't even see
the people. I mean I guess we could have
cameras but mostly it was like I was
almost like on the phone with people and
like all over the world and so I didn't
know them. I had never seen them. I
don't know anything about you. I'm just
going to read your chart. I'd start
there and 99% of the time people would
be so relieved to hear that that's what
that was because quite often they hadn't
been fully living into it or it was just
so innate that that's always what they
did and they're like oh that's yes that
is that thing that's what I've always
been known for and so when you're not
living in accordance with these these
kind of like signs to me in your chart
if you're not living in accordance with
your purpose
then everything is going to feel wrong
and everything's going to feel
misaligned. Like for myself, I never
thought I would write a book. It's not
anything I would ever think of, but
nothing in my life was working. And I
felt so stuck and I felt so I felt like
such a failure. I felt like I couldn't
figure out my place in the world. And I
started writing and people started
reading it and it started to take off
and I was like, "What is this? This is
wild." And it wasn't until I started
working with my teacher, the person who
would like really teach me about the
lineage that I practice in that I
understood how important it was to
follow that mark in my chart because the
ruler of my ascendant is in the third
house of writing and speaking and
teaching. But that's nothing I had put
together before. Like you can look at
your, you know, own, you can look at
yourself in the mirror. You can read
your, you know, you can look at yourself
all the time and not get it. The beauty
of having a therapist or a guide or a
coach or an astrologer, somebody that's
got some wisdom, is that they hold that
third space for you so that you can have
that kind of self-reflection.
So coming to know that like that natural
inkling in me was there in my chart gave
me the permission to just fully do it.
>> Yeah.
>> And then everything started to work like
overnight. I people started to pass my
stuff around. I met my wife within 6
months. I mean like things just blew up.
And it was because of that. I remember
the moment where she was like, "Well,
the ruler of your ascendants in the
third house." And I was like, "Oh." And
it all just clicked. And I'd always
wanted to write, but I never thought I
was smart enough. I didn't think I was
educated enough. I didn't think I was
able to do it. And it's literally one of
the things that changed my entire life.
And it's right there plain as day in my
chart. And I didn't see it for like 20
years. [laughter]
>> Wow.
cuz I started looking at astrology and
understanding my chart at like age 12.
>> Wow.
>> So, but I didn't really I didn't really
know what I was looking because I didn't
have traditional astrology. Right.
>> So, you know when you meet your teacher
>> also everything really starts to come
into practice and into place. And so
when I met my astrology teacher
>> and she taught me this really ancient
traditional way of doing astrology, it
just landed everything. And it was like
this whole rubric that was so clear and
so concise and so specific and so not
about my intuition or not about you know
what I felt about the chart or anything
like that. Not about like oh I knew this
Scorpio once and they did this. It's
like really like no if this is here this
means this.
>> Yeah.
>> Do this and see what happens.
>> So so you're actually saying that
astrology
is guiding us when you say purpose.
>> Mhm. But really you're talking about
activity, task, methodology. Like you
said, writing, speaking, teaching.
>> Yeah.
>> Those are very occupational in that they
are an activity that someone can take
out. So you're saying that astrology, am
I right in saying that? You're saying
astrology
shares your purpose and it defines
purpose as activity of greatness.
>> Yes. And it can get more complex than
that. So say if the ruler of your
ascendance in your eighth house, the
eighth house is a place of loss and
grief and mental anguish, it's also a
place of inheritance and other people's
money and there's a lot of things
connected to it. And so when you see
somebody's, you know, when you see a
significant placement in a part of the
chart that's really difficult, you have
to wonder if they've got there yet. But
often when I see really significant
placements in difficult houses in the
chart,
I'll ask like, are you a are you a grief
doula? Are you someone who does
traumainformed
counseling? Are you, you know, do you
feel really receptive to other people's
pain and suffering? And so it's not as
clear sometime like sometimes it is like
you could go and study and be you know a
someone who does hospice work or
something like that if that called to
you but sometimes it's a little bit uh
less specific. But it's very important
still for that person to be able to move
towards that area of life and know that
the inklings that they have towards that
area of life are very much embedded in
their life's purpose. And I've just seen
time and time again once they once you
take that action towards that that
things just start to open up and fall
into place. And then you find your way
to do that signature in your chart. Can
your astrology tell you whether you're
going to be a millionaire or a
billionaire? [laughter]
>> Well, there's a famous quote attributed
to JP Morgan that says, "Millionaires
don't use astrology, but billionaires
do." And it's not clear if he actually
ever said that, but he worked with an
astrologer, Evangelene Adams, for a very
long time. And he was actually like a
student of hers. He got readings from
her and she taught him. And so he used
astrology to do his banking. So I think
that there are definitely signatures
that can tell you when somebody is
really adept at working with the
material world
>> and whether they engage with that or not
is also their choice.
>> I see a lot of people that have a lot of
talents in their chart in their life and
they don't necessarily engage with it.
You also have to have the friction. You
also have to have the thing that spurs
you into action to make use of the gifts
that you've got.
>> But your astrology doesn't tell you
whether you have that part.
>> Yeah, it does. Yeah.
>> So, so your astrology could literally
say you have talent but you have no
spark. [laughter]
>> Well, I wouldn't say that to somebody. I
would say
>> if someone has a really like easy setup,
I would say the most important thing for
you to do is to embrace the struggles in
your life. is to like really lean into
what is going to challenge you and who
is going to challenge you and what's
going to help you to struggle to find
your own way
>> and don't lean on the things that are
necessarily so easy.
>> It's fascinating because I can think of
so many people in my life.
>> Yeah. And it's interesting that
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just said right now, believes in growth
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friends who say to me, and they're not,
they're not speaking astrologically.
They're just speaking in self-awareness.
And they're saying, "Jay, this is just
who I am." They're like, "Jay, you're
ambitious. You're driven."
>> You know, [clears throat] I'm not.
>> And so, you know, this is just my life.
And I'm like, well, I don't know if I
was always ambitious or driven. And I
feel like there were skills I learned
and habits I developed and there were
coaches and mentors in my life who
taught me certain things and you can
build confidence and you can build skill
sets that allow you to live a better
life. And I don't just mean materially I
mean spiritually as well.
>> And they'll be like no no no but you
know some of us are wired like you and
some of us are not. So
>> is that true? Is that
>> I mean there's I think there's some
truth to that.
>> Okay. But I think you can choose to not
rest there, right? Like it's do what do
you want from this life? It's really
about that. Like are those people happy
or are they suffering? Right?
>> But are they interested in their
suffering enough to do something to
change it? And so what I'll look for is
is time periods that will come along and
kind of put the pressure on and be like
this. You're going to if you haven't
done your work, if you haven't
individuated, if you haven't really
tried to build something in yourself of
your own efforts, then this period of
time is going to really be rough.
>> But that's good for you. [laughter]
You know, like Saturn will come along as
a planet of boundaries and structure and
it will come along and hold you in place
until you figure out h how to either
find another way to move or to like lift
the weight that's on you enough times
until you get strong enough to move it
completely.
>> And Saturn's a a planet that you can
also look at in terms of your life
cycles. So sata S Saturn comes along
every seven years and does something
really important. So at age seven it
comes along and helps you to distinguish
yourself a little bit from your parents.
Helps you to find like your own. And
then at age 14, age 14 usually it's
called a Saturn opposition and it's
usually a time where something happens
in our life and you know we're 14 so it
kind of makes sense psychologically
speaking but something happens where
we're like wait a minute this is what I
want. This is what you want. These are
the expectations you have on me. This is
what and then at 21 we have another one
and it's part of the adult cycle. And
then from 28 to 30 Saturn closes the
loop and we go through something called
a Saturn return. And that's where we
move through our first really big
threshold where we move from whatever
remnants of being a child or whatever
remnants of being a young adult kind of
like have to trickle away and we're
asked to move and cross a threshold into
our true adulthood and to take
responsibility for our decisions and our
actions.
And so if you miss that, if you're like,
nah, it's going to be harder and harder
and you'll have like in the next seven
years, you'll have another moment of
struggle. And so that like saying the
seven-year itch is interesting because
it is like a Saturn cycle.
>> Yeah. And even in marriage, right, like
>> most divorces happen at 5 to seven
years.
>> Oh, that's interesting.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's that friction point.
>> Mhm.
>> Fascinating. Okay. Well, you write in
your book that our chart isn't our fate.
It's an invitation. And I think this
idea of fate and free will, and you
mentioned it earlier, but what does
astrology believe about fate and free
will? Do we have agency or is everything
predetermined?
>> You and I right now are in this city.
We're not in a city. We're not in
France. We're here. And so
there's certain conditions here. We
can't do everything here, but we can do
all the things in in this city that we
can do. And so it's the same with your
chart. It's like you're given a
landscape. What do you want to do with
that? How do you want to approach it?
>> Yeah.
>> And how do you want to work with these
really specific skills and this really
specific setup?
>> Yeah. It's almost like I was born in
London.
>> You were born in Canada.
>> Yeah.
>> And that created a certain environment
of what was available, what I was aware
of,
>> what was possible.
>> Yeah.
>> But somehow I've ended up in LA. You
lived in LA and you live in New York
now. Yeah.
>> And if someone told me all the way up
until the age of 28, which is when I
moved to New York, if anyone told me
that
>> Yeah. [laughter] If anyone told me up
until that age that I would ever live in
any other place apart from Northwest
London, I wouldn't have believed it.
>> Wow. Oh, so you left London at 28?
>> I Yeah, I the first time I left was when
I lived in India for a period of my time
as a monk and then I left when I came
and lived in New York first and then now
LA. So,
>> the reason I'm bringing that up is to
say that there is more choice
>> and free will and agency than we
sometimes think when you're looking at
astrology. And you might consider
everything's predetermined.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Like I know, you know, I'll
see like harrowing transits come up for
me and I have to be like, I'm not going
to catastrophize this, but I have to
work against it. You know, it is just a
natural human thing. And then I'll live
through it and I'll be like, "Oh, that
was totally different than I thought,
but it's so emblematic of what it was."
And I absolutely needed to go through
that. It's always about like distancing
yourself enough from the thing, from
your astrology chart, from the thing
that you're going through so that you
can understand what life is trying to
teach you. So when people come to me and
they're like really in trouble or
they're really in a lot of pain,
sometimes it can help to be like, "Yeah,
this started 6 months ago and it's going
to last for like another 8 months."
You're in the middle of it. You know
what it is. This is it. Like how else to
how do you want to hold this?
>> How do you want to work with this? What
is this teaching you? like this
might be some suffering but what else is
here to to teach you or what is it here
to teach you what can you learn and if
if I am struggling and I look and see
I'm in a challenging aspect then I can
be like oh okay then it's not just out
of the it doesn't feel random I think
for some people
>> and so that's the other side of like
Mercury's retrograde is nothing's going
to work out. [laughter]
>> We don't want to do that,
>> but we do want to use it and be like,
okay, it's just a time period. It's just
a cycle that we're in that I'm in.
>> Does your astrology tell you who you're
going to fall in love with?
>> No. It tells you though what you need
out of a relationship.
>> Interesting.
>> So, it tells you the quality and the
nature of the person that you need. So
for me also, I didn't realize this until
after I had met my wife, but I really
need somebody to like work with me. I
need someone to be like, right, I need
someone to partner with me in every
single way possible. And when we met,
she just did that instantly. And I was
working with my teacher at that point
and she pointed that signature in my
chart out to me and I was like, "Oh my
god, that's what she does." like me and
my wife met and I didn't even know how
to put a PayPal button on my website
like on my blog and she put it on there
in like 2 seconds and I was just like
wow you're a magician [laughter]
and we just became business partners
like immediately and so then we grew
this business together and then we
created an app and you know the the rest
is kind of history but she was an
immediate partner for me and that is a
very specifically
uh accurate
you know, like read of my chart so you
you can see like what kind of qualities
and what kind of nature you need from
somebody.
>> Does it predict when you're going to
fall in love?
>> I mean, I'm sure those Vadic astrologers
at the ashram would say yes. There's
certainly definitely timing techniques.
There's like ancient timing techniques
for everything. I think that um they're
correct. They don't necessarily I don't
know if they'll always say like how long
it will last. Some astrologers are
excellent at doing that. But I think
that what's more important is
understanding yourself, understanding
the qualities that you need in a partner
and
finding that energetic match with
somebody else before you really even
touch the astrology. I don't know. I I
think I'm not as interested in finding
out when something's going to happen in
my life as I am in understanding who I
am.
>> Couldn't agree with you more
>> and what I've got to give this moment
and like what's possible here. Like what
what could I what could I do with what I
have? Because I think that our agency is
the greatest power that we have. And so
I again I never want the astrology to
get in the way of you understanding your
agency.
Yeah.
>> So those predictions can be right, but I
don't know if they're helpful to know.
>> Yeah. It see I I imagine though that
that's the kind of questions people ask
you
>> because when I when I talk to my friends
who go to astrologers it's constantly to
figure out like when am I going to meet
the guy or you know when when should I
you know when should I think about
selling my company or when should I
start my company or
>> those are the questions that I'm hearing
that they're asking and then they tell
me what their astrologer said and
sometimes people will be as specific as
you should marry someone whose name
begins with R
>> and you'll probably meet them in the
next 6 months. Yeah.
>> Or or they'll get an answer that's like,
well, you're not going to find someone
for 2 years.
>> Yeah.
>> And and so what do you make? You're
saying that that could be accurate, but
you're saying that's actually a not the
best use of astrology almost.
>> Well, that's that's up to you.
>> Right.
>> Right. It's like what do you want to use
it for? I don't use it for that because
I don't think that's helpful for the
people I work with.
>> Right. I think that picking a time to
launch your business is great. If you
like give me a time frame, if you're
like, I want to launch it in the next 3
months, I'll give you the best day and
time within the next 3 months to launch
it.
>> Talk to me about that. So, how is that
calculated and why is that important?
>> You just look for the best signature
within the time frame you're given. You
don't have like forever. You just have
like the time frame. So, people want to
get married. I'm like, well, what's the
best day in August to get married? And
then I have to look at a time that's
like reasonable to get married. Like,
I'm not going to say 4 in the morning.
I'm going to say I'm going to look for
like an evening period or an afternoon
period and then look to see I want the
conditions of the planets associated
with the event to be good. So a wedding
I want Venus to be good and if Venus is
really not in a great situation the
month you want to get married then I'll
look for something else like I'll ask
you like is it really do we have to do
August? [laughter]
Could we do July or is that totally out
of the question? And if it's out of the
question then it is. is you just you
have to live your life.
>> And how does that impact the quality of
a marriage or a business?
>> Well, it is the the imprint of it. So,
it's the launch of it. So, it's the mark
of it. And so, you don't want to play
God with it. You know, there's there's
like there's problems with every moment
in time. There's problems with every
chart. You just want to look for
something that's relatively auspicious.
>> Yeah. It's like trying to find a sunny
day.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like no one no one like you don't
want to get married on a rainy day.
>> And so you're trying to find like that's
just a natural inkling. Yeah.
>> And so you're saying similarly on a plan
level like you want to find a day that
feels auspicious for a better word like
>> you know you're trying to find a word a
day that has good energy.
>> Yeah. It has like a good coming together
>> of of things. It's got like a good a
good picture to it. And so you want to
begin something if it's within your
control. You want to begin something
with as much on your side as possible.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But then the thing you have to learn is
that's still up to you. Like that's
yours to still learn. You can pick the
best astrology chart in the world, but
if the person you're getting married to
isn't the right person for you, like
it's not going to do that much. Maybe
the divorce will be better.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> But it's still like you still have to
live your life. You still have to take
the actions. You still have to do the
hard stuff. You still have to show up.
What do you feel having helped so many
people being deep into this work?
>> How have you seen astrology really help
people? Where is it truly changed
people's lives?
>> I think it really truly changes people's
lives when they need the confirmation
that their soul's purpose is what they
think it is.
So like I remember when I met my wife, I
refused to look at her astrology chart.
I didn't want to see it. I didn't want
to know. Oh, I sent her to my teacher
and she got a reading and my teacher
didn't know anything about her,
looked at her chart and said, "Oh,
your your life's work is in the realm of
gender- based violence." And she was
like, "Yeah." But she was a banker at
the time, and she wasn't
valuing that part of her work, even
though it was something she had done
since she was 16. And that reading gave
her the kind of affirmation she needed
to move fully towards it. And it's one
simple thing, you know, it's one thing
that someone says to you. And it's quite
often at those junctures in our life, we
just need that one thing, that one
person to just hold that little bit of
space for us to say, "Yeah, you are.
There it is. It's plain as day." M
>> and then you can then you again have to
go off and do all the work. Astrology is
not going to do the work for you.
>> Yeah. You have to act on that insight.
>> But that insight can be so reassuring
and reaffirming totally because
>> everyone else has been reminding you of
the opposite ever since you were born,
>> right? We have a lot of obligations. We
have a lot of responsibilities. A lot of
people want us to be a certain way, not
because they're bad people, but just
because of whatever conditions we're in.
And astrology is one tool that can help
you to distinguish yourself and really
see yourself a lot more clearly. And so
when you do, I think if you're
conscious, then you can take action.
>> Until we have consciousness around
something, we don't really have a lot of
choice.
>> Mhm.
>> But once something comes into awareness
and consciousness, we then have choice.
what am I going to do with this
information? How am I going to act? Is
this mind to do something with? And so
if you need that, then a a good
astrology reading should be able to give
you the shape of yourself in a in a
really clear and specific way.
>> And then you get to choose what you want
to do with that information.
>> Mhm. Yeah. Absolutely. Do you believe in
divine timing?
[laughter]
>> Yeah. I mean, I work in timing. It's
like my whole life. My whole life is
timing. And yeah, I really do. And I
think that astrology is a part of it.
It'll tell you about your life cycles
that you're in. But you [clears throat]
again have the agency to meet those
moments with your
work and your effort and your
consciousness. And then you can, I
think, speed up everything. But that
requires you to say yes to the things
that are yours to say yes to. It
requires you to say yes to your talents.
It requires you to say yes to your
agency and then to fully fully own it
and everything that comes along with it
and then move boldly in that direction.
>> And then I think that time starts to
kind of meet you in a way. As I'm
talking to you, I'm just thinking, we're
asking all the wrong questions of
astrologers. [laughter]
Like, I'm just like, when I think about
all my friends and every question they
asked, I'm like, "Wow, we're asking bad
questions because
>> there's just so much more." And it's
kind of just it's kind of like how, you
know, there's that I don't know who said
this, but the whole idea of how if
aliens came down to Earth and saw us all
just staring at our phones, they'd be
like, "Why are you wasting life?"
>> Yeah. And it almost feels like that that
what we're going to astrologers for and
what we want to use it for seems to be
so rudimentary
>> compared to what it truly can offer.
when as I'm talking to you.
>> Yeah.
>> I'm like, "Wow, it just feels so much
bigger than that and so much deeper than
that
>> and so much more meaningful
>> and we're using it to figure out like,
you know, am I going to meet my person
in 3 months?" But that's because that is
our insecurity. Like that is what people
are struggling with is
>> really that question is act the question
may not be ideal but it's coming from a
deep rooted insecurity of am I lovable?
>> Yeah. And that's because through time we
have felt that we're not lovable based
on people we've dated, family
experiences. So to go back to that and
expand my compassion, it's like well
actually the question we're asking is
based on this deep
>> feeling of just not being loved.
>> Yeah.
>> And therefore we're not we're not really
asking will I find love in 3 months. We
don't really care about that. But we're
just like will I ever find love is
really the question I'm asking. And I'd
like to have have it to happen tomorrow.
>> That'll make my life better.
>> I think it will.
>> How how would you Yeah. So how would you
guide someone who is going through that
experience that I just mentioned to you
when you're reading their charts and of
course their chart is going to say what
it's going to say
>> which we you know you can help me
hypothetically but
>> what what happens what what are you
>> if someone comes and they're really
>> they're just like you look I got
>> trying to make something happen.
>> Yeah. So like I got broken up with
>> two years ago.
>> Yeah.
>> I am still getting over it.
I've been dating this guy. I
don't know if he's into me. I can't even
tell. But I just really want to settle
down. Like, I just want to fall in love
and get married and have kids and have a
great life and I'm a good person and
I've got my career sword and that seems
to be going well. But
>> every straight woman out there,
>> Totally. Totally. And I have a lot of
friends who are in that position, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> They're coming to me.
>> [laughter]
>> I will anchor myself in in what I'm
feeling from them. So, I'll I'll have
the chart, but if what you're saying is
you're not over him or you're not over
the breakup yet, like what happened to
you? What are you still holding? Like,
that's when I just want a human to
human. Like, there's the chart, but like
can we just have a conversation about
what you're holding right now? And like
that is a legitimate
feeling of frustration and despair and
feeling like you're going to be left out
of a life cycle like you know you're not
you're not in it. It's missing you. It's
like passing you by. And that's a real
feeling. And it it is also situated in a
greater context where there's a lot of
people in your similar situation that
feel the same way. So you're also not
alone. It's it's your personal life and
it's also there's a a sense of like
there's another thing happening. And
then I'll go to the chart and see what I
can talk about. I want to talk about the
person that I see in the chart that will
be your partner.
>> And I want to talk about that and be
really specific about it. And then I
want you to meditate on that. I want you
to sit and this is from Katherine
Woodward Thomas calling in the one.
[snorts] One of the best meditations
that she ever gave me and I've given it
to millions of people is to sit in
meditation and just not no thoughts
about no specifics about like who the
person what they look like or what they
do for a living. None of that. What do
they feel like? What does their energy
feel like? And what do you feel like
sitting across from them? And what is
that energetic match? And then I just
want you to go out into the world and
feel that
>> who has that energetic resonance for you
and who doesn't.
>> So there's this things you can get into
all the details in the chart, but then
there's just the like let's just be
human
>> and just acknowledge that what you're
carrying right now. It's it's really
hard
>> and that loneliness is really real.
>> And I don't want to diminish that at
all. Mhm.
>> And all I know that you have in terms of
your agency is to yes work on yourself
and develop yourself, but also just to
like be with it.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, like I was 38 when I met my
wife. I had had a bajillion
relationship. I was like, I'm just going
to be alone forever. I had totally given
up on it. And then
it was like I walked out of that life
and into a totally different life. M
>> and that can feel like a setup too to
say to people cuz you know it's like I
got I feel like I got really lucky to
meet her in this lifetime and it's a
really I feel like a really rare special
relationship
and I also did everything I could
[laughter]
I did every course I did everything
under the sun and then I did just kind
of like let it go
>> and when I met my teacher and when I
started to feel like I was meeting my
life's calling and my purpose. I did
everything I could to anchor myself to
that
>> and I do feel like there was some kind
of synergy there. So you ha everyone has
some kind of story like that and each of
ours are so specific and I always say to
people what if you don't meet them for
another 15 years like I don't know maybe
you'll meet them tomorrow but what if
you don't how are we going to make sure
you live a full and beautiful loving
life and like you've got tons of
relationship and tons of intimacy and
joy and bliss and fun. Like what do you
actually need to do to feel like you
aren't holding yourself back from life
because somebody else hasn't shown up
yet? We have no control over I feel like
the moment my wife was ready to meet me,
she appeared like out of thin air and
like a day before it just wasn't ready.
>> Mhm.
>> And I'm older than her. And so it was
like I was like, "Oh my god, like I am
that's it. like I've I've lost I'm too
old now or you know all the things that
that come with being out of sync in
those kinds of ways. So we each have our
own journey. We don't know why it is.
And yes, the chart will speak to it. But
I first and for foremost want to hold
you as a human and acknowledge what
you're struggling with. And then that's
a real struggle and those are real
fears. Can people miss the love of their
life success
that moment because they weren't
prepared at the right time?
Oh gosh, [sighs]
that's [laughter]
I
I think that for me,
I have certainly
done things to delay
my own success and my own arrival. I
have burned bridges. I have done things
in the past that I look back on and I'm
like, "Oh my god, but I was so full of
insecurity. I felt so unlovable. I felt
so all the things that I didn't know how
else to act. I was coming with my best
and it wasn't meeting the situation. So
in one way it's like well I wasn't ready
for it and I had to learn and grow and
you know really like kind of wrestle
with life and learn and so I wasn't
quite ready for it. But
>> I don't know if you can miss it. I don't
know. I think I feel like that's kind of
fatalistic. M
>> I I just feel like when you that you you
won't catch the other relationships
maybe or the other job opportunities
like you will lose some stuff if you
don't know how to show up for it
>> but it doesn't mean that it won't come
back in a different it
>> doesn't mean it will never exist
>> it just means it could be delayed.
>> Yeah.
>> And
>> and then you got to wait for the next
bus to come. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then you got to like figure out what
you're doing with yourself. Are you
going to read a book? Are you going to
waste your time on TikTok? I don't know
like what are you going to do in the in
between?
>> Yeah. Does astrology believe in the idea
of the one that there's one perfect
person for you or that there are many
people who it could work with?
>> I don't think it it doesn't have that
kind of judgment. It looks at the chart
like you can see when someone will have
multiple significant partnerships. You
can see when people have multiple
children. You can see like there's are
there are ways of seeing those things.
And then there's, you know, it's really
important for
us to understand like how
how we work, right? So like if I
understand how I work, then every
relationship I'm showing up to is going
to have a greater potential for me to
learn from.
>> [snorts]
>> And so the one I don't know like every
everyone that I'm in a relationship with
is so important to my life and my
understanding like every single friend,
everyone in my company, everyone teaches
me so much cuz I'm always learning about
how I'm dealing with another human being
given the conditions I'm dealing with
them in. So I think everyone is the one
that we're if we're in a relationship
and we're in contact like that's it. And
then there are these people like no one
else in my life made me feel seen the
way my wife did ever. No one got me. I
don't trust anyone like I trust her.
Like her talent, her her instincts, her
intuition, her knowledge, her wisdom is
for me just unparalleled. So the synergy
between us when we met was just
undeniable. There was too many things
that happened that were like that was
how did you know that I was going to say
that or how did you pull that book out?
I was going to give it to you. You know
there was just so many things that
occurred that I was like this is bigger
than the two of us. This is something
else. This is a third thing. And that is
so unique and so special that you might
call that the one and that's fine if
that's the language. I just think it's
really important to recognize when those
things occur. There are some people that
come into your life and they just change
the entire trajectory of it. I've had
teachers like that and I've had, you
know, this relationship that has been
like that and everybody else was really
helpful, you know, like [laughter] we
did great. It was, you know, it did it
was fine.
>> But this is a distinct category in and
of itself, I think, when and that's my
calling. Like that's my life story.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I know people that don't have that
story. They have a different story. And
so some people's one is their career or
their art, their calling. Like that's
their one. And that's beautiful. And I
just I want us to live in like a village
full of really distinct different humans
that do life in all kinds of different
ways so that we can share child care.
And [laughter]
>> I love that
not everyone should have children. Not
everyone should get married, you know,
like some of us should live on the
outskirts, some of us should live in the
center. Like some of us are cooking for
everybody, some of us are teaching, some
of us
>> will astrology tell you that's better
for you. Like does astrology does
astrology predetermine whether you're
going to have kids or not? Like how many
kids you'll have?
>> I've had a Vic astrologer tell me that I
wasn't going to have kids and I do.
>> How do you how So how do you reconcile
that as someone who practices who
believes in
>> I understand why he said that and yet
it's not true. So it's like
>> it's a certain condition in my chart and
it's like not great for having kids. And
you could
>> I mean I'm queer so the way we had a kid
is different than how heterosexuals have
kids. So if he was trying to look at my
chart through a heterosexual lens then
yes he's right. But
>> interesting. Yeah.
>> You know so it's really about the
astrologer and where they're coming
from. I've [snorts] had an astrologer
look at my chart and be like I don't
know how you're ever going to find love.
like basically you're doomed.
>> How is so how do you reconcile that?
>> I was like that's a really awful thing
to say to somebody that's not helpful.
Even if you think that's true and you
think you're right, I don't know how
that's ever going to help me.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, as an astrologer or a
coach or a therapist,
even if my person in front of me takes
it all with a grain of salt, I have a
tremendous responsibility
to be very encouraging of somebody's
best to come forth.
>> I don't need to make them feel doomed.
>> That's everybody already does feel
doomed. Like, we already go there. So,
what can I do to help fortify that
person to help them find their power,
their creativity,
their special thing in this life, and to
move from that place?
>> Um, I don't need to make you feel like
you've got a lack of anything.
>> And I also don't need to predict
everything correctly that you're ever
going to do and say and be. I want that
to be part of the mystery of who you
are. M
>> I just think that you have like
I don't know when I see somebody's chart
I'm so fascinated like I'm like oh my
god you have this thing and you do this
thing and it's the exact replica of you
you're living it out you don't even know
it but it's the exact signature like
that's so beautiful to me so my work is
mostly incredibly awe inspiring cuz I
don't have people coming to me with
questions of like when am I going to
meet the one
>> I really do have people coming to me
with questions of like, okay, I've done
this huge career and now I'm at this
other place and I'm wondering what else
there is.
>> Or, you know,
>> beautiful. Yeah.
>> Yeah. or I'm in this really dark hard
place and I feel like the world's turned
against me and I'm like I'm in that kind
of crucible place
>> and then I get to be like yes I see that
and I'm with you and like this is part
of your journey and I know you've got
what it takes to move through this and I
just
>> want to witness that with you like I get
to witness people's
uh awareness and healing and their
journey and their gifts and I get to
remind them of how powerful they are.
You know, people like I'm sure you have
this too, but like people with
extraordinary like talent and success
doubt themselves so much. I'm like
>> you too.
>> Yeah.
>> You struggle with this insecurity. You
struggle with this self-doubt. [gasps]
>> Wow. It's just the human condition.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, it's incredible that we're so
alike in that place. But there's so much
to what you said about the adeptness of
the practitioner, like the practitioners
that you met that told you, "Hey, you're
doomed. You're never going to find love
or
>> whatever it may be." Like I I was
thinking about it because I think the
often
skepticism is well, if everyone's
telling you different things, then it's
not an exact science and there can't be
truth to it then,
>> right? And I was thinking about even
medically like I remember this is a long
time ago now but a doctor checked my
throat cuz I felt I had a sore throat
but it was really bad. I was like
>> losing my voice. It was painful and he
said, "Yeah, you got a sore throat just
take antibiotics or whatever." And I
took them.
>> Four weeks later it was really bad.
>> And I went to the doctor. I went to an
ENT surgeon nose throat surgeon to be
really clear. And he immediately said to
me, he goes, "You've had polyp growing
in your throat for at least x amount of
months. I can't remember now."
>> And I was like, "Wait a minute. I
literally just got it checked 4 weeks
ago." And he goes, "No, these are
predunctulated uh polyp. They're big.
Like they couldn't have grown in 4
weeks."
>> And so I'm like, I met a doctor who
wasn't an expert, who didn't who was a
doctor, but didn't have
>> the the right tools or whatever you want
to call it. And then I met a surgeon who
was very adept at his job and
immediately saw what the problem was.
and I was in surgery and had to get the
polyp lasered from my throat. But all of
that to say, I think sometimes people
look at astrology and just go, "Oh,
well, if three people said three
different things, then obviously there's
no truth to the actual thing,
>> right?"
>> But that's not correct because like
you're saying, there's so much
>> left to interpretation, cultural
understanding,
>> uh, you know, disposition of. Does that
make sense?
>> Yeah. And that
>> I'm saying in defense of
>> No, I understand what you're saying. I
think if astrology works, the three
astrologers should come up with the same
>> Yeah.
>> thing, the same reading. That's and
that's part of why we made an app
because my my theory is if it works, you
should be able to pull up your chart in
my app and get some kind of guidance
from it and get feel seen, feel
witnessed, and feel like, oh, I make
sense to myself. just because the
technology of the astrology is sound
when it's used
well. And I think that, you know, we're
humans and so you have to take that into
account that when you're going to
another human for advice or for their
expertise,
you're going to have your own
relationship with them. You're going to
walk into the room and they're going to
have a reaction to you. [laughter]
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> And it's up to them whether they deal
with that in a productive way or not.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. So many people talk about Saturn
return. Yeah.
>> What is it actually?
>> It's when Saturn comes back to the same
place it was when you were born. And
because Saturn is the planet that to the
naked eye is the last planet in the in
our little solar system. It was thought
as such a big moment because every 28
years you go through this closing of a
loop. So between the age of 27ish 28 27
to 30 you go through this kind of
closing of a door and a threshold
experience into a new stage of life.
Saturn is the planet of responsibility
and of
adulthood. And it's also the planet
that's of mortality. It's like hey I'm
the time lord. Like you don't have all
the time in the world. So at 30, you
should be going through some kind of
crisis, some kind of like, oh, I guess
I'm going to get old, too. And you
should also be doing things [snorts]
that require everything from you. Saturn
is a planet of discipline and hard work.
And so this is the time to put your
money where your mouth is to like be
in the game fully and to again own your
choice and to say I chose to do this.
And it's also a planet of separation. So
in some way shape or form we usually
separate from our family of origin.
Maybe that's psychologically, maybe it's
physically, maybe we get married, maybe,
you know, some kind of big life
transition happens at that time that
distinguishes us from our family of
origin. Not that we're not still part of
it and we could still be living at home
even in well and you know for the rest
of our lives but there's something here
that's like I have to build a really
solid foundation in the world that is
mine that is apart from the thing that I
come from or apart from the convenience
or the comfort of the people that you
know hopefully you have people that love
you and you can feel like you can fall
back on them but you need to understand
that you can go out there and do
something for yourself or that you can
separate in the ways that you need to
separate psychologically, emotionally,
sometimes physically, sometimes
monetary.
>> That's not a negative thing at all.
>> That's really
>> But then why do we talk about it in such
a
>> because the internet [laughter] because
people are like, "Oh, my Saturn return
was awful
>> and then they blame everything on the
Saturn return." But a Saturn return
should be a time of of a kind of like
again discipline, awareness, strictness
almost like severity sometimes, but also
like so much joy. Like in my southern
return, I moved to LA
>> and I was I didn't know anybody here. I
didn't have any money. I didn't have any
contacts. I didn't have anything. And I
was like elated.
>> I really did walk out of my life. I was
living in Toronto and I I left and I
started this whole new chapter here and
it was on my own terms and I had to
really prove myself to myself
>> that I could do this and there were days
where I didn't have anybody to call and
there were financial struggles and I
didn't have a car and like it was a
whole thing but I did it and that no one
could ever take that away from me
>> and as much as I believe in community
and I believe that we shouldn't live in
an individualistic kind of culture. We
have to do those things that help us
understand what we're made of.
>> That h help us understand like put me
anywhere and I'll figure it out.
>> That's how I function at least. And so
that happens at there's a version of
that that happens at 7, at 14, at 21,
and then at like 28ish. That's the big
one.
>> I can relate to every single thing you
just said.
>> Yeah. every single thing you said. It's
it's so vivid for me. It's like
>> 14 in I mean this is small but
>> I remember at 14 that's like the age in
England that you decide what you're
going to study for like
>> oh that's
>> like it's it's an you do it quite early
I assume. So I remember like fighting
with my parents about what I wanted to
focus on and I won and did what I wanted
to do
>> and that's when I fel first felt
confidence in who I was and my ability
and then 21 going on 22 I decided to go
live as a monk.
>> Oh my god. So that was a big decision.
And then 28 I moved to New York and I
was in New York for 2 years going
through exactly what you said when you
moved to LA.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's amazing how that tracks and now
I'm 38. So I've been through 35 as well.
>> Yeah.
>> Um which was an amazing year. But
>> you plant a seed at the Saturn return
cycle of your own selfhood, of your own
adulthood.
>> Yeah.
>> You're like, I am going to stake a claim
here. Maybe this is hard. Maybe it
sucks. Maybe I'm lonely,
>> but I'm doing this
>> and this is my choice.
>> And then by the time you get to 36,
you're at that next first quarter square
and you get to see what worked.
>> Like what from that seed that you
planted at around 30,
>> yeah,
>> is growing,
>> right?
>> And then you're like, okay, I'm either
going to double down on that now
>> or it's not a viable option. And so it's
this really, I think, really helpful
kind of growth cycle. It's so important
because we almost look at all the long
wrong ages. [laughter]
>> Uh like if you look at the material take
on it, it's like we look obvious we look
at like 16 or 18 becoming an 18 becoming
an adult.
>> Like sweet 16 birthday 18 become an
adult. 21 sure you graduate. So that
feels on track but then it almost feels
like after 21 no one cares and then it's
like I'm 30 and I'm 40 and then you're
just scared about
>> the next decade. Yeah. So it's it's less
about growth. It's less about I I loved
what you were saying about how like from
28 to 30 that whole idea was I'm locking
in. I choose what I focus on.
>> The discipline, the grit. I mean, I can
relate to every single one of those
things.
>> I have to put I have to invest in
myself. So, we're talking about those
people earlier that maybe have a really
easy situation. If they don't do that
sad and return thing and they just kind
of fall back on what's easy, then at 36
it gets harder and then again at like
the early 40s it does too. And it's
Saturn is also this like mark it can
feel depressive
until again you kind of start to work
towards well what is the discipline that
I need in order to do this? But some of
us really like thrive on discipline and
[laughter] some of us really have a hard
time with it. You know, there are
signatures in the chart. I have I have
some friends like this that they're just
so good at having fun. And so it's hard
to like gather them and to like help
them to focus because part of the
signature of their life is to like enjoy
things
>> and then you have to kind of like work
against that somewhat.
>> Yeah. So if someone's about to enter
their Saturn return,
>> yeah,
>> what would you recommend they do?
>> Do the things that are hard that are
that are going to require everything
from you that are going to be worthwhile
in the long run. Like what is going to
be satisfying to you 7 years from now?
Do not think about instant
gratification. Do not This is not a
social media game. Like this is about if
you only had seven years left, what
would you do? Like what do you want to
make sure you've left here and what
would move you deeper into your
integrity
so that you were proud of even having
attempted it? And if it's not that
serious, then it's not really either
part of your saturn return or it's not
going to last for that long.
>> [snorts]
>> And so if you it's a lot of times people
will get to that age and you'll start to
see their life crack because they've
spent their 20s in an industry that
maybe wasn't the industry of their
dreams or that took everything from them
and they realized it's not really their
calling. And so they've been locked in
this maybe like corporate thing or
they've been locked in this other you
know relationship and you start to feel
the cracks show at around 28 2930
>> and so this is your chance. This is like
a portal of time. I mean any day is your
chance but this is a time where the
pressure and the gravity of what doesn't
feel good in your life will become
really acute. So, if you're fearing your
Saturn return, you're actually fearing
the truth of your situation and you're
fearing confronting
what you actually need to do and the
work it will take to do it. And that's
fine. You can fear it, but you can also
just like embrace it
>> and move into it and and be okay with I
think you also have to be okay with
being alone, going it alone. You have to
be okay with doing something that wasn't
expected. You have to be okay with
disappointing people.
>> And it's a time where you're supposed to
learn about boundaries.
And so if you can't have a boundary with
yourself, which is to say, I will not
abandon myself,
then it's going to be really rough. M
>> but if you promise that you will not
abandon yourself, you will not abandon
your gifts and your talents and your
inner knowing, then the Saturn return
will really set you on a course that
feels like liberation
>> because it's stripping you down and
being like it's this or it's going to be
like what pain do you want to choose? M
>> you want to choose the pain of choosing
the thing you know you need to choose or
do you want to choose the pain of
denying that
>> and that's kind of the crossroads that
the Saturn return finds us at.
>> You have totally redefined my
perspective of Saturn return [laughter]
>> brilliant. It's so much more powerful as
well. It's
>> Yeah, it is. It's so powerful.
>> It's so powerful. It's so empowering.
It's so clear. It's so
>> it's so better than it's so clarifying
>> to know what you need to focus on and
what this period of life is about. and
>> also just like the willingness to get on
with it and build and you know create
and so
>> the other the other word that's thrown
around is Mercury retrograde
>> and so I was like [snorts]
>> so what is Mercury retrograde
>> and how does it actually affect you?
>> Yeah, it's very common. It happens three
to four times a year for 3 weeks a year.
3 weeks each time. So that's like at
least 9 weeks a year out of 52 it's
going to be retrograde. So because it's
so common,
it is so prevalent and it is so
misunderstood. So [laughter]
>> please clarify.
>> I wish no one ever mentioned Mercury
retrograde [laughter] because I think
it's the main reason why people hate
astrology because someone at the office
will be like, I told you everything was
going to go wrong because Mercury's
retrograde. Um it is a planet of
communication and is a planet that can
rule every and we you know rely on
gadgets and technology and that's all uh
the ways in which we communicate. So
there are some very famous you know
things that have happened during a
Mercury retrograde with tech companies
that are kind of comical. I'm sure
they're really difficult for the people
that are working in them, but for like
sites to go down and for communication
to be bumpy is what is supposed to
happen during Mercury retrograde.
>> But it becomes this catchall for
everything. It becomes a catch-all for
everybody's every emotion. It becomes a
catch-all for every single thing going
wrong ever in the universe. And so then
it loses its definition and it loses its
specificity and it loses its meaning.
>> [snorts]
>> So, it's something really common that
happens. And what it's trying to teach
us is stop,
pause, and turn around and look at what
just happened. Review where you just
came from. Review the document. Do you
need to send that text? Like, it's a
good time to practice.
even whether or not you believe in
astrology, it's just like a good time to
practice mindfulness and thoughtfulness
and reflection. And that's really what
it's about
>> or it's supposed to be about. It's just
like a good time to be reflective. And I
find that it's a it's a I also have a
tech company. So, um I think that
sometimes we feel it a little bit more
acutely than other people. If
something's going to break, it generally
does break during Mercury. And I
[laughter] hate it because I'm always
telling people it's not you. I'm like,
don't make such a big deal about it. And
then I'm like, "Oh my god, here it is
again."
>> But what I also find having a team, and
this is for, you know, we all have a
team, whether it's a family or
housemates or business or whatever,
>> is that the team, whatever the team's
working on, like the system that we've
put in place to work on a project
together, if there's cracks in that
system, it'll reveal itself and it'll be
like, "Oh, well, we didn't put this
thing in place, so then the thing went
out completely wrong and why didn't we
have that system in place?" and
everyone's like, I thought you were
doing it. I thought And so you tend to
find the ways in which we haven't
systematized something in our life.
>> That's so interesting. I love that.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's a more sustainable
>> uh sustainable solution.
>> Yes.
>> Because if you figure out the system,
then the next time Mercury is in
retrograde, the same thing can't break.
>> Right. And it's just like for life,
you're like, "Oh, well, this was always
going to break."
>> Yeah.
>> So it just broke now
>> because it's time for it to break. But
this was never going to work long term.
So I can't I'm not going to get mad at
the planet. I'm going to be like, okay,
where else in my life am I not paying
attention to this thing?
>> Where else in my life am I not seeing
that like this system doesn't work
>> or there's there's a malfunction here
and I need to adjust the way in which
I'm approaching it. And also it's just a
really good time to think like how am I
communicating
to the people in my life
>> that I work with like are they
receiving are they hearing me? Am I
saying things that
are getting the message across?
>> Like what do you need me to say more of?
Or what do I say to you that like shuts
you down? Mhm.
>> What do I say to you that makes you feel
small or unworthy? Do I say things to
you that make you feel a certain way
that I don't want to do that, but I
might be doing it unconsciously? So,
it's a good time to also think about the
ways in which we speak to each other.
[clears throat]
>> And I think because our culture is so
like go go go and forward forward.
Um, these are just invitations to be
more reflective and considerate of what
we're saying and how we're saying it.
>> Do you think sometimes we use charts and
signs as an excuse for our bad behavior
or
>> always
>> acting a certain way? [laughter]
>> Always. I wish I wish I wish we didn't
do it because I I it's not what it's
about. It's never um
It's never the reason why someone's
acting badly.
>> Interesting. Yeah. It's not because
they're sign.
>> It's because a need isn't being met or,
you know, there's some they're
disregulated or, you know, there's
something else happened before they
walked in here. They might do it in a
certain style that might be in
accordance with what you think their
sign means, but it's not that. As
humans, we're always looking for
patterns. And of course, as an
astrologer, I love to look at patterns
because I look at cycles and I try to
see like, oh, what happened 300 years
ago when Pluto was in Aquarius? Oh, we
had an industrial revolution. Oh, Pluto
just went back into Aquarius in March of
2023. Oh, that's when Chat GBT exploded
onto the scene. Like, that isn't another
industrial revolution.
And there's a million signatures that
you can look at like that. So, it's
interesting to see like these big
cycles. But because humans always want
to find pattern recognition, what we
tend to focus on is like that Gemini
broke my heart and so I'm going to see
that characteristic in every other
Gemini that I ever meet, you know, and
that's I just don't think it's helpful.
>> We often hear about how certain signs
are compatible and certain signs are not
>> based on what you just said.
>> Awful advice. [laughter]
>> Not good.
>> Every sign is compatible.
>> No way. There are specific ways in which
the signs will re like say so when
people talk about that they're often
talking about their sun sign. So that's
again one tiny part of someone's whole
entire chart. I really want to look at
the moment that you were born you have
this full picture of the sky and the
moment they were born there's a full
picture of the sky. How do those two
pictures line up? Because there's all
those different points. I need to know
if you're what style is your Venus, what
style is their Venus.
There's no bad combination of Venus
signs. There's just styles. Like your
style of being your sun sign and my
style of being my sun sign will have a
relationship in a certain way, but
that's also obviously based on us. But
it's it's not about there being good and
bad matches. There's about being there's
certain resonances with certain signs,
but you shouldn't be with somebody just
because there's ease. Like that's silly.
>> And it really is about the whole
entirety of somebody and their chart and
the whole entirety of you and your chart
and how those full two things go
together. But I don't think you should
look at somebody's chart until you know
them.
>> Because we all make assumptions.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think there's such a
negativity bias that we have obviously
naturally as humans.
>> Yeah.
>> That as soon as you hear like you said,
"Oh, my last ex was a Gemini. This one
is too." Or, "Oh, the chart said this
and this is what Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I just don't think
it it's helpful when you're trying to
meet somebody and get to know them.
>> So, when you're dating, you'd suggest we
actually just date the person."
>> Yes, [laughter] I would love that. If we
if we happen to like them and things are
getting more serious and we believe in
astrology and value it then that should
come later.
>> Yeah. Then you can see like okay where
do we come together like what are the
things that we would be good at doing
together or you would just probably
notice like oh yeah that is what we
naturally do together. How cool that
that is reaffirmed in our charts. But I
think you should always
come to a first date or a situation
where you might be meeting someone and
really again try to feel what it feels
like to be with them. What is the energy
between you? Like do you feel safe? What
is your body saying? Like what are they
telling you? What are the little things
they're telling you that you would
normally not listen to? Are there red
flags? Like there's a million things to
look at and pay attention to before you
get to an astrology chart.
>> Can astrology charts tell you about some
of the long-term red flags?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Like what?
>> Yeah. Like where you'll uh have like
communication issues down the road where
like your Venuses like our my Venus is
in a certain sign, your Venus is in a
certain sign. So, if it's really
different or if they don't have a
relationship with one another, then
we're going to have to work to kind of
like connect it. You know, there's
things that will eventually aggravate
you about any person that you're with
long term. And those differences and
disparities are in the charts, but
they're also in the relationship. So,
you know what they are. The chart will
just kind of confirm that that those are
differences. And this these are where
you come together and this is where you
kind of go your separate ways or this is
where you will generally tend to like
miss each other. Like my wife and I have
very different incompatible charts and a
lot of things just don't go together.
There's obviously places where it's like
full harmony. But then there's places
where we're just like kind of alien to
each other almost. And [snorts] it's not
that I don't relate to those parts of
her, she doesn't relate to those parts
of me. It's just we do it so
differently.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what makes our relationship,
you know, it's like, oh, that's what
she's doing the thing or I'm doing the
thing. And that makes me have to
struggle to like appreciate and
understand somebody else and there's
always going to be that disparity in any
relationship.
>> Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
>> I feel like we always want everything
easy and simple and prepackaged and it's
like
>> Well, yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's
almost like that balance between it
shouldn't be
excruciating or torture you obviously
and then it it can't ever be fully
seamless and easy.
>> Yeah. That's only when we're first born
hopefully with our parent, you know,
like
>> if that
>> if that Yeah. Most of us don't even have
that. But that's what we're I feel like
trying to get back to that
>> totally that total union.
>> And that's not what being a human is. We
have to separate from each other and we
have to find those places
>> um of difference.
>> Yeah. As as it's coming up to the end of
the year and
>> people may be looking back and thinking
this year didn't go the way they wanted
to.
>> Maybe they didn't make the progress in
their career that they wanted. Maybe
their relationship is just about
surviving. Maybe they haven't found a
partner that they're looking for. How
would you encourage them to release this
year so that they can truly move into
the next year with a healthier mindset
and approach?
>> I think that one of the things that's
important to remember about this time of
year, at least in the northern
hemisphere, is that we're moving into
more and more darkness. We're moving
away from the great activity of summer
and we're moving into the quietness and
the stillness, which again is hard for
most of us because life is so busy. But
I think it's really important to allow
yourself to think about this frame of
time, especially as we move closer to
the winter solstice, as being a time
where we're just allowing a waning of
energy to occur, and we're allowing that
waning of of conscious activity to help
us transition into a a place of of
stillness and regeneration.
And then if we don't allow those times
of release, like if the year was hard,
it was hard for I think most people in a
lot of different ways in a a lot of
different places. And so if we don't
allow certain times, especially at the
end of the year,
to unwind and to to fully kind of just
like let it be like whatever this year
has been for you,
that happened. it impacted you. What is
it that you're left with now? And just
allowing some days, especially, you
know, in December, especially as we move
towards the 21st of December, the
solstice
to just be with what was, who were you
at the beginning of last year, who are
you now at the end of this year? and
have those moments of reflection because
you know like the year will change and
things will open up and it'll be busy
busy busy and it'll be a lot of things
but astrologically speaking 2025 was one
of those like gamechanging years where
all of these major planets change signs
and so it was a signal that this year
was going to be very different than
years that we've had in the past and
there was going to be things that were
going to happen this here that were
going to impact us for decades to come.
So, if you feel like you haven't been
able to do all the personal things that
you wanted to do, yes, like we're in the
midst of a massive transition and a lot
of change and so you're also
caught up in a greater cycle of things,
right? We're in a collective thing right
now. And so the world is working and
looking differently. And so
allowing yourself time to just reflect
and not even so much with your mind, but
just like allowing your body to
decompress in any way, shape or form
to just deal with the impact of what
this year has brought, I think is a huge
gift to yourself. and allowing yourself
some time again if you don't have kids
but allowing yourself some time to write
to reflect and to reset like you can
reset we can take a pause we can you
know turn the off switch off like let it
drop down
>> and give yourself a minute
>> Mhm.
>> to be a human.
>> Yeah. and just like let the reckoning
kind of happen, but allow yourself to be
human.
>> Yeah.
>> And just be as much as you can. It's the
gift of darkness. It's the gift of
winter. It's the gift of this time of
year is to just like less and less and
less and less because it'll all come
back and back and back and back. So any
of that stillness, anytime you can get
out in nature, anytime you can gaze up
at the sky, anytime you can really truly
be present with your people, like
hopefully there's gatherings and
hopefully there's, you know, places of
warmth and connection in your life. Just
let yourself be filled back up. If this
year has been disappointing, do what you
can to fill yourself back up
>> at this point. And are there any habits
or practices you recommend people take
into the new year or to set themselves
up for that new year to make it
different?
>> Yeah, so I do have, you know, like we
have on the app, we've got readings for
the new year. You can map out your whole
year if you want to use astrology. I go
through each month and tell you about
the energy and the pattern of that month
and like this month is like go time.
this month is going to look a little
clustered and a little bit more
difficult to like but we can do this and
this and this. So every week I give you
specific things to do. I'm quite
actionorientated
and also reflective but I do like to say
okay this is what this time is good for.
This is what we can do. And so I go
through each month so you could always
listen to all those readings and kind of
plan out your month or your year month
to month. Um, and there is a ritual for
the solstice that we have on the app
because I think it is a really powerful
moment. It's the obviously the longest
night and shortest day, but from there
the light starts to increase. So any
intentions that you set or anything you
do around the solstice, if you think in
terms of cycles
brings the everinccreasing light with
it. So, it's a really good time to
think, allow yourself to move into
stillness and get really contemplative,
fill yourself up, and then see like what
are my intentions for this year? And
plant those intentions by writing them.
You can burn them if you want. Gather
with friends, talk about them.
[clears throat]
How are you going to bring life into
your intentions?
like what are you going to you want to
again clear space get clear about it
write them down understand what it is
you're moving towards and then what are
you going to do we got to we have to
feed those we have to feed those
intentions then
>> every day but if you want to think of it
symbolically the winter solstice is that
time when the light just continues to
grow into the next 6 months so you could
use that as a encouragement
>> Jenny you have completely expanded my
viewpoint opened my mind in an
incredible way
>> and answered so many
>> hopefully not stupid questions, but uh
I've learned so much and and I really am
so happy that for your success and your
ability to help so many people because I
can easily tell from sitting with you
for the past couple of hours that
everything you're doing is coming from a
great place but also is truly trying to
guide people towards their greatness and
>> their best self and
>> you know through through all the amazing
teachings and studies and reseets that
you've done. So, thank you so much. Such
a joy.
>> Uh we end every episode of OnPurpose
with a final five. Yes.
>> These questions have to be answered in
one word to one sentence matter.
>> Okay.
>> So, you have a sentence. [laughter] You
have a sentence.
>> Uh so, Channy Nichols, these are your
final five.
>> The first question is, what is the best
advice you've ever heard or received?
>> If you choose it, do not feel sorry for
yourself about it. Your agency is your
greatest gift and your greatest power.
The moment you feel sorry for yourself,
you decouple yourself. You do the
yourself the greatest disservice. If you
choose it, do not feel sorry for
yourself about what it takes to make it
happen. You can unchoose it, but
[snorts] if you're choosing it, this is
what it is. Do you still want it?
>> Such a great answer. I love that.
>> So many.
>> So good. No, that was great. That was
great. I loved it. [laughter] Second
question. What is the worst advice
you've ever heard or received?
>> Someone telling me they didn't know how
I was ever going to find love.
>> I don't know if that's advice, but
>> yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh, question number three.
Does astrology tell you when you're
going to die?
[snorts and sighs]
[gasps]
>> There are ancient timing techniques that
do. I do not dabble in those arts.
>> Tell me more about the art. [laughter]
Tell me more about the arts you don't
dabble in.
I don't want to know that there there
are timing techniques. There's like
mathematical equations you can do.
There's ways that you can tell that.
There are people very few most
astrologers would say I don't I won't do
that
>> cuz I don't I don't that's not a
>> Yeah,
>> that's not an art form that I need to
look at.
>> It's above my pay grade.
>> Yeah. Got it. Um question number four.
What's a misconception about astrology
that you'd like to debunk?
>> That there are certain signs that are
good or bad.
>> They're all bad. [laughter]
>> Yes, they're all problematic.
>> Explain which what's the right answer.
>> Well, everyone every single sign is an
archetype. So the archetype is both has
qualities of both like magnificence and
horror because they're reflective of us.
>> So everyone's a problematic fave.
[laughter]
>> Uh fifth and final question. We ask this
to every guest who's ever been on the
show. If you could create one law that
everyone in the world had to follow,
what would it be?
>> I've listened to a lot of your episodes.
I don't remember this question.
>> Oh, it's always lost.
>> Okay.
>> So
>> I have a living. Yeah, exactly.
[laughter]
That's what I'm learning, Channy.
>> Yeah,
>> the law is that everybody's child is
yours.
>> M I love that answer. That's a great
answer. Never had that before. That's
brilliant.
>> Uh the book is called You Were Born for
This. The app is called the Channy app.
Uh Channy Nichols. Everyone, please
share what you learned on your Instagram
stories, your Tik Toks. I'd love to see
the clips that you all create and the
parts of this that you're going to
practice. Of course, use the app if
you're someone who really wants to know
your chart and understand how your next
year of 2026 is going to map out. And of
course, go and grab Channy's book, You
Were Born for This: Astrology for
Radical Selfacceptance. Uh, and follow
Channy Nichols across all social media
platforms if you don't already. Chenny,
thank you so much for being here today.
I hope this is the first of many times
that you'll come on the show and
enlighten me and our community and so
grateful for you and thank you for
asking answering all the questions
wherever we went.
>> So grateful to connect with you. Thank
you so much.
>> Thank you.
>> If you love this episode, you'll love my
conversation with Dr. Joe Dispensza on
why stress and overthinking negatively
impacts your brain and heart and how to
change your habits that are on
autopilot. Listen to it right now. How
many times do we have to forget until we
stop forgetting and start remembering?
That's the moment of change. No one
cares how many times you fell off the
bicycle. If you ride the bicycle now,
you ride the

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astrology

əˈstrɒlədʒi

B2
  • noun
  • - the study of the positions and aspects of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs

chart

tʃɑːrt

A2
  • noun
  • - a map or diagram representing a specific area or phenomenon

mirror

ˈmɪrə

A1
  • noun
  • - a reflective surface, typically of glass coated with a metal amalgam, that reflects light without refraction

potential

pəˈtɛnʃəl

B1
  • noun
  • - the capacity or ability to develop or achieve something in the future

amulet

ˈæmjulət

B2
  • noun
  • - an object worn or carried to bring good luck or protection

crystallization

ˌkrɪstəlɪˈzeɪʃən

C1
  • noun
  • - the process of forming a solid, especially a crystal, from a solution or melt

snapshot

ˈsnæpʃɒt

B1
  • noun
  • - a photograph taken quickly, typically without preparation

horoscope

ˈhɒrəskəʊp

B1
  • noun
  • - a forecast of a person's future, typically including a delineation of character and circumstances, based on the positions of the stars and planets at the time of a person's birth

rising

ˈraɪzɪŋ

A2
  • adjective
  • - moving upward; ascending

synergy

ˈsɪnədʒi

C1
  • noun
  • - the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects

transits

ˈtrænsɪts

B2
  • noun
  • - the passage of a celestial body across the meridian of a particular place

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Key Grammar Structures

  • When you’re born, we look at the sky and take a snapshot of the entire sky at that exact moment.

    ➔ Zero conditional (if‑clause + present simple)

    ➔ The word "when" introduces a time clause that works like an "if" clause, triggering the main clause in the present simple.

  • If you choose it, do not feel sorry for yourself about what it takes to make it happen.

    ➔ First conditional (if + present simple, imperative)

    "If" introduces a possible future action; the main clause uses the imperative "do not feel" to give advice.

  • There’s a catch‑all for everything, and it loses its definition and its meaning.

    ➔ Existential there + be + noun phrase; parallel nouns with conjunction "and"

    "There’s" is the contracted form of "there is", introducing the existence of "a catch‑all"; the second clause repeats "its" to avoid repetition.

  • Because Mercury is retrograde, it’s a good time to practice mindfulness and reflection.

    ➔ Causal clause with "because" + main clause (result)

    "Because" introduces the reason (Mercury being retrograde); the main clause states the consequence "it’s a good time...".

  • You can see where the planets were in the sky at the exact moment you were born.

    ➔ Modal verb "can" + infinitive; relative clause "you were born"

    "Can" expresses ability; the infinitive "see" follows it. The relative clause "you were born" specifies the time of the snapshot.

  • Your rising sign is the marker of your life; it is the ‘yes’ to existence.

    ➔ Compound sentence with semicolon; predicative noun phrase "the marker of your life"

    ➔ The semicolon links two closely related independent clauses; "the marker of your life" functions as a predicative noun describing "rising sign".

  • If you don’t adapt to the information, you’ll end up like a rain‑coat on a sunny day.

    ➔ Second conditional (if + past simple, would + infinitive) with idiomatic comparison

    "If" introduces an unreal present condition; "you’ll end up" (future result) uses "will" contracted to "'ll". The phrase "like a rain‑coat on a sunny day" is a metaphorical comparison.

  • The sky has always been part of our relationship with life; it taught us math and rhythm.

    ➔ Present perfect simple; coordinated clauses with semicolon; past simple in parallel clause

    "Has always been" uses the present perfect to express a continuous state from the past to now; the semicolon ties two related ideas together.

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