[English]
There's a big confusion in our industry
about what is sales and what is
marketing.
Are the blades any good?
No.
Sales is what you do when you're not
good at branding and marketing. Email
and Google Adwords are much closer to
sales DNA than organic social content
which is much more similar to what
worked on television. You had the
attention of the consumer on a medium.
You story told and it affected them. I
did not buy in the 80s and 90s and 2000s
all that Nike stuff because somebody
last touch attributed me. Somebody cold
called me. Nike sent me an email. I
bought it because of brand.
I have this events business. We put all
events and we're doing something stupid.
Okay. So, what we do is we'll go out
there and we'll put ads on social media
content on social media, Instagram,
LinkedIn, whatever. And mostly when
they're not doing well, we boost them
with ad dollars to try to almost hide
this crappy creative that we've made is
amplification
of paid ads on social media epically
stupid. So, first of all, the fact that
you asked that question in the way that
you asked that question, I wish you
could I wish you actually did put a USB
in me and and see what was going on with
my chemicals because my heart smiled so
hard because I've been very loudly and
effectively but not directly enough.
This is something I've literally thought
about this summer, which is this fall I
need to make black and white direct
content that the single stupidest thing
in the world of marketing and business
and pop culture is amplifying
content that clearly did not do well
because it didn't do well organically
because a you're trying to convert
something like ticket sales or b cuz
you're so deeply insecure and you don't
want something that has 800 views And so
you want 40,000 views because you are
literally taking money and throwing it
into a garbage and then lighting a match
and burning it to the ground. So yes,
you are doing the single worst thing on
earth.
The fact that you now know it, whether
you saw a clip or you read it in a book
makes me so happy cuz I am desperate to
be a positive contributor in some way,
shape, or form. And it sounds like you
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Well, okay, that makes me feel really
good. Other than the being stupid part,
which I agree with and my wife would
agree with. Um, but here's the part that
So, I read the book. I love the book and
I'm here's the part I'm confused by. So,
one of the things you're really known
for and how I got all hooked on on your
content is this idea of jab, jab, jab,
right hook. Meaning, for people out
there don't know, Gary's really coined
this whole thing of where you you give,
you give, you give, whe you know, with
your content, it's you're providing
value. You're providing value, providing
value, and then you hit with this hook
and say, "By the way, why don't you work
with me or buy this thing or do
whatever."
And the key there is you ask, you don't
take. I always like to clarify here. You
give, you give, you give, and then you
ask. And when they do not deliver on
your ask, you do not feel bad or sad or
mad at them. Very key nuance to my model
that I'm passionate about. Right? Like
the entitlement of thinking just because
you've given a bunch of good content
that someone's going to buy your sneaker
or your wine or your trading card or
anything else that other people sell is
audacious and manipulative. The concept
of give, give, give is brand and then
you're going to convert a certain part
of that audience. So yes, I'm deeply
passionate about that. So herd go ahead.
So, but a lot of times we were putting
content out there and you have your
winners and losers. And in my case,
we're amplifying losers because we don't
want them to be losers. The problem is,
right, the problem is our jabs are
winners. I mean, they're winners because
they're like value. So, the thing, but
the value ones, like if I put out a
piece of content and it does really
well, that one's not asking for
anything. So, it's not converting to
pipeline or sales that fast. Not black
and white attribution.
Yes.
Subconsciously it is.
Right.
Right. Like that's called brand. One is
sales, one is brand. So yes, heard and I
know where you're going. Keep going. So
there's the question. So now what?
So now so I do I do I amplify the
winners that may not be the ones
converting to sales or do I amplify
one? Let me give you one right off the
bat. I love this is more consulting
session than podcast cuz I'm enjoying it
and I I'm so pumped cuz like even in 8
seconds this is going to [ __ ] crush
for you. You ready?
Yes. I need it.
Your clear charisma and sense of humor
is one of your biggest attributes. You
know that besides your hair,
you know that your personality is what
you got, right?
Right. Yes.
I can literally
It's all I got. It's all I We've
literally been here for eight minutes
and it's as clear to me as the sun will
come up tomorrow. Here's what I want you
to try.
Okay,
the next time you have a piece of
content that does well, that's a jab,
right? A high value piece of content.
I want you to then take that piece of
content back home and post-produce it. I
want you to take that piece of content
and then slightly tweak it.
Let me tell you how I would do that. I
would have whatever video you have that
did well. I want you to then make an
edit where you your face you you
me
in the bottom lefthand corner with a
cutout as long as the bottom lefthand
corner wasn't critical to the piece of
content.
Mhm.
I want your little head to be in there
while the video is running. This is the
edit I want you to make.
I'm doing it.
You're literally I'm going to reenact it
here. I obviously for people that are
listening, you won't be able to get
this, but follow me. Everyone, if you're
watching visually, this will be easy.
This is literally what you're doing
while that video is playing. You're
like,
"Yeah."
And then you're pointing up. You're
pointing a finger to the audience
saying, "Wait for me. I'm about to jump
in. We're all watching this video." And
then you're going to go, "Buy some
[ __ ] tickets for me for this event."
That's it. In their face. I love it.
And it will work. Here's why. that piece
of content already proved that the first
three seconds, the fir the next 10
seconds work, right? So, you know you
have something that works. Now, you've
added an extra element of intrigue of
like, what the hell is this dude's head
doing in the bottom lefthand corner?
Then, you're going to obviously not do
exactly what I said. You're going to be
like, hey, thanks for watching that.
What this is about is our big event on
October 19th. There's a link. So, you're
going to take the original piece of
content that did well organically,
showed consumer relevance and interest.
You're going to DJ it. Why do you think
all these EDM guys had the hits? They
[ __ ] and what Puff Daddy's career was
built on. I know that might not be
politically correct these days, but the
sampling these were already [ __ ]
hits,
right?
You were sampling your own hit.
And if you see where I'm going, I like
the I like the analogy of sampling
because if I was I have no music
abilities. I couldn't even sing a bar
mitzvah. Uh uh I like the I like the
idea of pulling in the winner and just
tweaking a little bit and that's what I
amplified. That's the plan. You're
you're taking a jab and you're
converting it into a right hook using my
old terminology. Yeah. And if you run
media against the right kind of target
against creative that has already
clearly worked where you're editing it
in a way that didn't disrupt what made
it work, you will [ __ ] crush.
All right. I love that. And you know,
you touched on something and and I I
believe attribution is total garbage. Uh
you touched on last touch. It's garbage,
right? Because for 20 years, Google got
credit for things that other mediums
were doing because Google became de
facto place you would go. Kudos to
Google, great business. But people
overinvested in search because I would
see a I'm looking at a billboard in
Manhattan right now. I would see that
and it would be a second and then I
would go to [ __ ] Google and be like
medical club 49 or whatever. And then
back home at marketing land they're
like, "Oh, Google worked." And the
billboard doesn't.
Yeah. It's total crap. Like I spend a
lot of time in the world. I I do a lot
of different media, but one of the media
is email. And and my clients like, "Oh,
these email campaigns are crushing it
compared to whatever." I go, "Even
though it's not doesn't help my
business." I'm like, "No, the email
didn't work. It was just the last thing
they got the last stop on the train.
You're assigning value to to
That's because brother, there's a big
confusion in our industry about what is
sales and what is marketing,
right? Email and Google Adwords are much
closer to sales DNA
than organic social content, which is
much more similar to what worked in the
50s and 60s on television. You had the
attention of the consumer on a medium.
You story told and it affected them.
What
what people don't understand is that
sales is what you do when you're not
good at branding and marketing.
And listen, I love being a salesman. In
fact, you may know this since you it
sounds like you've gone a deep dive.
Probably the thing I'm most excited
about in the world right now is live
social shopping.
Yeah,
that's [ __ ] QVC. That's sales to the
ump. I believe in sales and marketing
the most. However, I did not buy in the
80s and 90s and 2000s all that Nike
stuff cuz somebody last touch attributed
me, somebody cold called me, Nike sent
me an email. I bought it because of
brand. Nobody's buying a Lebu right now
and sticking it on their [ __ ] purse
because they got cookied and we followed
them around the internet and they we
made them suffocated them to buy a
laboo. They're buying it because of
brand because if they put it on their
bag, they're in the know and they want
to feel in the know. That's called the
psychology of brand.
In a lot of ways, the the the media
that's measurable is the is the most
ridiculous, meaning like it's getting
credit for way too much just because it
happens to be measurable.
Well, now you're talking about the the
accommodation of corporate marketing,
which is really sad. We've sucked out
the creative and we've implanted the
mathematicians, which is fine. I'm a big
believer in purple. I'm not red. I'm not
blue. I'm not just art. I'm not just
math. I actually think the reason math
has gained momentum in marketing is
because the artists went too far and
like everyone who wasn't good enough to
be in Hollywood went to Madison Avenue
and used their brands money to make the
commercials that they wanted to make for
themselves, not to sell [ __ ] soap.
So, I understand why we have the era of
math. It was actually the artist's
fault. However, the problem is we are
too in the era of math right now and the
beauty is 5050.
Oh, I I I totally agree with that and I
love that. And side note, what would be
the odds of you ever walking around with
a li boooo somewhere attached to your
being?
Uh, pretty high if it was a
collaboration with V friends and Laboo.
I should have known that. I didn't know
that. That's amazing.
Only if only like I definitely am not
usually quote unquote on trend.
Occasionally I'm so me that seven years
later it becomes the trend but I am not
trendy. Um so the hi if Lubu comes
calling and says we'd like to do a Lebu
V friends collaboration now that I'm
building this Marvel Pokemon world and I
need to win in things that look like
Leubu. But otherwise, you know, it's
funny. I I get a I just did something
the other day where they were giving me
way too many flowers of like setting all
these like being on trend. And I was
like, I didn't I didn't set that train.
I didn't I wasn't on trend. Me dressing
down and me cursing was just me being
me. And then like the world evolved and
it became a little more common in the
business world. That's not me setting
the trend nor being on trend. That's
just I stepped in [ __ ]
Well, I personally thank you because
hopefully I think you actually started
the trend. So I went from wearing
button-downs and freaking khakis I don't
even own that crap anymore. So I owe you
big time. Thank I really I really am
happy for all of us. Like, and by the
way, this is the weirdest [ __ ] You want
an exclusive, Jay? I've literally had
weird feelings recently saying I want to
wear like a suit and tie proper 1950s
for a year just for the [ __ ] of it, you
know, like just for some fun. Um uh but
no, it it is nice that the casualization
of society has penetrated the work
force. I do think there's some romance
lost in that. You know, I I actually
understand people who put like dressing
like back to back to authenticity. Like
it's authentically running through my
mind that I might just want to do that
for the fun of it when I'm 90 to look
back at that era. Not not for any other
reason. I love the people right now that
are overly dressed because I'm like,
good for you. Like that's your [ __ ]
jam. And in fact, just like tight
clothes and baggy clothes pendulum
swing. I'd be shocked if in 15 years we
don't see a big movement. five years,
nine years, 13 years, a big movement to
proper attire coming back because we've
all got tired of [ __ ] ball caps and
t-shirts and baggie shorts as well. So,
I could see all of it happening.
Well, I'm doubling down. We go men's
warehouse and buying equity in theirs
immediately.
Uh, but you know what you should do,
speaking of this, because it kind of
leads into it. You're you basically have
said out there that social media is kind
of dead or dying. It's really interest
media. So, like if you started an
account today, zero followers, okay, and
it was just you wearing suits like on a
Tik Tok account and you posted videos,
I'm wearing a suit today. Is the world
today because it's now what you call
interest media. Is that going to do
better than people that have followers
of a zillion followers?
It will do better if that human are you
talking about me Gary Vee or me just
like that be you Gary Vee if I wore a
suit or a random person wore suits? Like
who gives a crap? would me for sure
because once you have a platform you
have a platform hence why brand matters
but but anyone like literally a
29year-old listening right now who's
never made a piece of content if it's in
his in this scenario or hers for that
matter soul
this is what's so cool about what's
actually happening that I think a lot of
people don't see
we throw around authenticity and passion
and transparency so much and and often
Unfortunately, the people that throw it
around a lot of times are like the least
authentic.
Yeah.
But what is very clear to me as someone
who I would say is a human
anthropologist and really does spend a
shocking amount of his time watching.
I would say that if it was in my soul
that I like passionately care about
being dapper and I think there's
incredible self-esteem value when I put
on a suit and I go into Superman mode
versus when I'm Clarkhead. If that's my
essence and I can communicate that while
I'm building that account, yes, that
person will crush. If I'm doing it
because I'm listening to this podcast,
I'm like, "Oh, here's an angle."
Right? And I when you're chasing money,
if you're investing in crypto because
you think that's where the money is, if
you're investing in real estate because
you think that's where the money is, if
you're cannabis, uh, collectibles, uh,
social media marketing, influencers, AI,
if you're chasing cuz that's where you
think the money is versus quadruple
downing on what [ __ ] gets you going,
you will be vulnerable. when you triple
down on what gets you going. You know, I
my breakout moment in my career was
giving a keynote speech in 2008 or nine
in the Javit Center and I said, "If
you're a fan of Smurfs, smurf it up. If
you love ALF, start making content about
ALF." At the time, it was about blogging
and doing Twitter. Now, this interest
media algorithm-led social media economy
where the attention of full society is
overscaled on social.
If you love BonJovi
and you just go [ __ ] ham on Bon Joy
content, the fact that in for 15 years
of social, you would have 80 followers
after a year and now the fact that when
I post my third Bonjovi video, it will
find people that have a propensity to
give a [ __ ] about Bonjovi because that's
how deep the AI is now.
That I have 800 followers on that third
post and I'm starting to build my world.
That is a level of opportunity for
society, for happiness and commercial
success. That is a level of nirvana that
I think people cannot see in this moment
where we've decided to cloud social as
bad, not good.
Well, along those lines, and I couldn't
agree with you more that this idea of
interest media that forget about your
follower count, follower account is only
social proof to decide whether or not
you know,
yeah, there's some brand there's some
lingering brand equity on it. I do
believe within a half decade the
following count might not even be
publicly seen. I think it will continue
to diminish in importance in this rise
of AI interest media algorithms.
Yeah. And I and I think that's a good
thing. Um
well I would say well I would say it's a
good thing for day one people,
right?
I would say for people like myself
who've bled for 15 years to build a fan
base, it'd be like email marketing.
Okay. Yay. you know, you spent your
whole life building a million person
email list and now the market says and
Google comes out and says now with
Gmail, everyone has a million. You know,
I'm sure the people that work their
tails off. But I agree with you. I think
merit should reign. I, you know, and I
think I understand what you're saying
and and from a place of people dwelling
that they haven't followed what I've
been talking about for 15 years and they
missed the boat. Good news. You miss
nothing.
Well, along those lines though, because
in marketing there's always this thing
best practices, which is nails on
chalkboard. literally hate the phrase
best practices. I said by the time it
becomes a best practice, it's an
animated piece of crap. Um and and the
problem is with this idea of interest
media instead of social media. If you
try to say what are the best practices
and then you follow them then you're not
going to be playing the interest media
game. Isn't is that I mean do you think
best practice is pretty much crap?
Yeah. Listen, I'm a I'm a fan of where
you're going, I think of this like
imposttor syndrome. Like that term
drives me crazy because we came up with
a new term
for the word insecure.
Yeah.
We put makeup we put makeup on the word
insecure. I think best practices is
makeup on the real world which is you
need to be strategic at all times.
Right.
So I I get where you're going and I
actually am a buyer that once it hits
that status in corporations it's garbage
often.
Every the only reason Vayner Media is
dominating is on a daily basis. All I
care about is the essence of what is the
best things you can do to maximize
relevance and awareness to create
consideration to create purchase and
that I call pack inside of Vayner Media
platforms algorithms and culture. Right?
First you need to know which platforms
have the attention. What's Spotify
versus Substack versus Snapchat
spotlight versus Facebook glue proper
infeed versus Instagram versus Tik Tok
versus Tik Tok shop versus Tik Tok
affiliate versus LinkedIn versus
LinkedIn. Like that is truly what I
think I've committed my career to and
has set me apart. Next, algorithms
within everything I just mentioned and
the 30 other things I didn't mention,
Tik Tok, YouTube Shorts, Twitter,
what how do the algorithms work? How
what creative gets attention? What
formats? What are what are the things
that will work? How important are the
three seconds versus not? A lot of
people became obsessed with the first
three seconds. They don't realize the
10th second has now become uncomfortably
important. Right? Things like that. And
then finally, culture. Do you know
what's going on with Lebu? Do you know
what Cindy Sweeny's going through right
now with her campaign? Do you know, you
know, do you know what's going on with
Aaron Rogers at the Steelers? Do you
understand if Sexy Red and Ice Spice are
as hot as they were a year ago or not?
Do you understand what's going on with
Fortnite and Roblox? Are you aware of
what the number one show is on Netflix
or are you not? Do you know what's going
on with Denim? Are you aware that Gap is
coming back or are you a not? Do you
understand that Kith has become the
establishment and things you know that
are coming up whether it's Mad Happy or
the Nude Project? Like do you know [ __ ]
or don't you? to me. In fact, in our
industry, brand strategists are going to
get replaced by pop culture strategists,
right? Current consumer relevance
strategists. And so that's how I think
about that, brother. So whether you call
it best practices or best strategies or
strategic blueprints or, you know, I
call it, ironically, I call it day
trading attention to some degree, right?
Like to me I'm trying to understand the
framework of pack and I believe that the
liquid deaths and the poppies and gaps
reassurgence and all these things if you
look under the hood they are the people
doing the things I'm talking about and
everybody else is not and that is why we
are seeing catastrophic
and super stupendous remarketing uh
opportunities. When I say remarketing, I
mean not remarketing. I mean market
shifts on who the leaders are, who's
doing revenue, who's declining in
revenue. We're seeing extremes of growth
and declines that we have not seen
historically in Fortune 5000 land
because the game is so complicated now
and most people have no [ __ ] clue. I
I I couldn't agree more. It's almost
like the brands that move at the at the
speed of culture are the ones that
really are getting that that attention.
You know, you can't just just just try
to do all the different tactics. You
like you just rled off a million
different things. Half the people
listening and never even heard of Kith,
let alone know that Kith is now part of
the establishment. I mean, that is how
in tune you need to be, right? I mean,
you need to be in it to be advanced in
all of it.
The end. I I would argue that one of the
biggest things that's going on at Vayner
Media is as we go into 2026, I keep
talking internally with my leaders.
First time I'm saying this publicly, I
want to give you a scoop. Like there's
going to be who are going to be the
winners of the AI era AOS, right? And
all I keep saying internally is like
we're going to be the winner of the AI
era AOS. What do you need to do to be a
great agency in that era? I would say
pop culture strategy is at the tippy
top.
Agreed. That's amazing. Yeah, I listen I
watch way too much reality TV. So I'm
I'm in a good place. So I'm excited.
But you are in a good place. It's funny.
Nema Nema who works at Bayer X director
and strategist and creative you know he
was on a reality show he's deep in the
Bravo culture we talk about all the time
when we look at the metrics like
understanding what's going on with Love
Island the last 90 days and
understanding how to incorporate it into
your ethos whether it's product
marketing comms uh engagement even
something we call Cassie commenting as
creative leaving comments as a brand you
know in certain places on the internet
um was incredibly fruitful for business
results.
Yeah.
And when I say that what I just rattled
off both Love Island deep cut Love
Island knowledge and the concept of Cass
C comments as creative leaving comments
on Love Island,
Yep.
the content as a brand when you know not
just haha but you make a joke that's an
inside baseball love island joke. When I
say that as business impact, it is not
lost on me that 99.99999%
of people in Madison Avenue Fortune 5000
land are not fully like either don't
believe or don't even understand what
I'm saying there. This is the great
opportunity of the Madison Avenue
ecosystem. We are about to reset at a
level that people have no comprehension
of. And the people that are actually
into popular culture, and when I say
popular culture, by the way, I mean
every one of the niches. What do 60 to
80year-old Mexicanamean
grandmas give a [ __ ] about right now? If
you don't know those Nutellas and Nollas
and all those things, like if you don't
know those things, right, then you don't
know how to market to them.
Totally. I I got to tell you, I was
blown away when I saw where I live that
there were Love Island watch parties at
bars and restaurants in person. I was
like, every marketer needs to lock in on
this crap. This is not like just some
show on peacock. This is like cultural
movement here. It is wild.
If you knew like I did, which is why I
did all those podcasts. This is not
where I went with it for me personally.
But if you knew six years ago that
comedians skewing right
were going to become cultural icons, SEC
frat boy like culture. Well, and you had
a brand to sell to 15 to 35 year old
males, you would [ __ ] annihilate.
Yeah. I mean, it's like Hakua, how the
hell it's like if you knew that that
type of person was going to resonate
with America. It's like, yeah, that's
what you need.
Let me take that down a little bit,
though. That was a viral moment, right?
We've seen that before, right? Like
double rainbow, the
Yeah. Cold play, whatever.
Yeah. I'm talking about You know what's
so funny? We just did something that
might help a ton of marketers. me
talking about the overall genre of
southern SEC sorority frat
uh comedians, the Theo Bonds, the
Schultz's like like Shane Gillis. I
talked about a half decade movement
that a brand could really really lean
into.
You talked about rightfully so. I'm glad
you did this about a micro moment of a
trend. Many brands that we work with and
friends that I have that don't work with
me, but I have a lot of relationships in
the industry. They get worried that
everything is a hot tua thing, Gary. I
don't want to follow trends cuz it's
over. I'm like, "No, no. A hua moment to
your point or whatever other moment
becomes the seed of an eight-year
movement."
Right. So, I'm recapping a six-year
movement that has happened
and you're referencing a viral moment
that could have, you know, obviously
someone could have jumped in there
quickly, done something, but they're two
very different things. But unless you
play the hawk to aa thing and understand
the hakua thing, you'll never get the
long-term thing if you're on the
sidelines. Uh, I would I don't know how
to surf or I'm a surfer, but I feel this
could be a good analogy. How the [ __ ]
are you gonna catch the big wave if
you're not in the [ __ ] water trying
to catch like waiting for it and
catching all the little waves?
100%. And they all kind of tie into each
other.
I'm sorry. Hold on. I got a clip that I
need that for my presentation. I like
that. That's it right there. If a
brand's scared because they don't want
to Gary, we don't want to waste our
times jumping on every trend that lasts
an hour. Well, what about when it
becomes the trend
and they marry each other? They're tied
to each other.
They're ti deeply tied to each other.
It's, you know, it's you got to eat the
amuse bouch and the appetizer and then
the [ __ ] main meal and then [ __ ]
let's have some dessert and then [ __ ] if
it's going well like some after dinner
drinks. But like, you know, like da da d
d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d duh.
So like I don't understand I do
understand actually it's we started this
podcast this way. The last 70 years of
business in marketing land on Madison
Avenue, we have used good working media
dollars to disguise bad creative, but we
couldn't see it because it was
predominantly done on television and on
billboards and in print. And now we live
in an era where we can see it. And man,
does that need an adjustment.
Wow. That is um I think that's so
powerful for so many people to hear. So
I got one last question. I'm going to
lose my entire audience, but I mean we
grew up we're same age. Uh I grew up in
Long Island and moved down to Florida,
but I know you're a huge Jets fan.
Hopefully they have a good year. Last
year was brutal.
Uh but Knicks 1994.
Yes.
New York Knicks.
Um I want to know and that was brutal
losing that game seven losing that
Houston Rockets. But my guy on that team
was Anthony Mason. I mean were you just
an allout like John Starks or Euing guy?
Like who was your Knicks guy back in the
90s? I was your guy.
So, let me break this down cuz now
you're just really making me happy.
Couple things. I was I was a senior.
Were Did you graduate high school? What
year?
94.
Me, too. So, you and I lived the same
[ __ ] life.
Yes.
It the basketball gods couldn't have
been nicer to us.
Yeah. Amazing.
The Knicks during our high school years
were [ __ ] awesome. And we were
building up to this crescendo moment of
94.
Jordan at MSG. Amazing.
Couple things. So to answer you
directly, it is Patrick Euing. I will
die on this hill. I hate how much Nick
fans did not appreciate him enough.
Yes.
To your point, my obsession with Anthony
Mason, he made all of us little white
guys feel tough.
Yes, that's true.
Like I shaved words into the side of my
head. That's how much I like Anthony
Mason.
Of course we like Starks, but I'll tell
you a deep cut that you're going to
love.
Oak Tree.
Well, of course. Of course. I'm giving
you a deep cut. When we got Xavier
McDaniels.
Oh yeah. X-Men.
When that happened, I walked through the
halls of my high school like this for
weeks.
I love it.
Be the X Factor. I went up to all my
[ __ ] bandwagon Bulls fans and they
were everywhere.
I love it.
[ __ ] losers that lived in New York
and New Jersey and Long Island who were
Bulls fans because they were so insecure
and not capable of being winners by
themselves. They had to drift off the
equity of a team in Chicago to feel like
they were a winner. These [ __ ] [ __ ]
faces.
I went up to all of them sophomore,
junior year and being like, he's the X
factor. We couldn't get over to Jordan
Hump and then, you know, look, game six
was devastating obviously.
Yes.
With Nick's horn uh Rockets.
Yeah.
But game seven, so we lose that game. As
you know, it was a nip and tuck game and
we could never get there, right?
Yeah.
I cried. I was se 94. I was seven. I was
18. I was 18 years old. I cried.
And I mean cried
for three straight hours
in my bedroom after we lost game seven
in a I've only I mean I cried like a
sevenyear-old boy.
Yeah.
And honestly like even right now you can
see my energy has gone way down. Like
it's in the pit. Like I feel like I'm
there right now. It was devastating.
It was brutal. I mean, brutal. I love
that team. I love that team with a
passion. All of them. I mean, every all
of them.
Derek Harper, Ronaldo Black.
Oh, yeah. Charles Smith. I even love
Trent Tucker used to like do the
three-point contest and crutch it. You
know,
that was earlier, but that was great.
Those earlier guys, Johnny Newman,
Strickland, those guys, you know, Kenny.
Yes. Oh, Kenny Sky. Love those guys.
Uh, anyway, we've This has been amazing.
Incredible. Uh, I'm a bigger fan of you
now than even before. Uh, everybody go
out there. If you haven't bought
already, buy Day Trading Attention. I'm
not just saying this cuz he's here. I'm
telling you, this thing breaks down
every kind of content format. It is
incredible book, Day Trading Attention.
Go out there and get it. Gary, you are
awesome. Thank you for doing this and
appreciate a lot of fun. I wish you
well.
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