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[English]

Hi everyone, welcome back to a new episode of Musetalks!

I'm your host for today's episode, Charley!

In today's episode, we have two very familiar and special guests.

Who are the original hosts of Musetalks,

they are Sha and Shalihin!

Hello!

Thank you for interviewing us,

instead of us interviewing someone.

How does it feel to be on the other side?

Actually, we're still on this side right?

Physically, we are still in the same side.

It’s just that now we are on the receiving end.

So you guys are actually from the same generation as many parents of Gen Zs.

That’s true

My parents would always tell me

“Back in my days, I did this, I did that.”

Butactually, now I'm very curious.

Hearing from a different person from the same generation as my parents.

I want to hear more

Is it really like that?

Is it really what my mum says?

She would say stories with me about how

she used to stay at her grandmother's house in a kampung

Last time before smartphones became a thing.

Social media is very big nowadays right?

I just curious, what was it like back then?

Was it really just you, chickens and everything else?

Okay. So that's like about growing up.

I grew up in flat. Sorry.

I had a bit of a kampung life

so it was totally outdoors.

No indoor games.

During the day, it is too hot anyway to stay inside the house.

So we go out, we spend our days outside,

and then the parents would just shout and scream for mealtimes to come back.

And then the older kids,

if on Saturdays and Sundays, they disappear for the whole day.

Sometimes they just stay overnight somewhere in some forest

I had a bit of that experience in kampung,

that was usually during like festive seasons

like Hari Raya

then we will go back to my mom's kampung in Malaysia.

So yeah, that was fun.

I mean there's no phone so you basically have to interact with, you know,

people around you,

more physical activities in that sense.

You know, what is the irksome thing about growing up without handphones back then?

Which we didn't feel.

Of course, we didn’t know there’s such thing as handphones.

When you make appointments your friend at 2:00,

and if your friends are late,

you never know whether they are coming or they are not coming.

Because there's no way they can tell you

“Eh hello, I’m late.”

But we didn't have that problem.

We didn't have the problem.

Everybody would just, you know, show up.

Because we didn’t know the alternative.

We didn’t know there’s another life.

Then how?

Do ya’ll write letters to your friends?

Actually, we do.

Pen Pal

So I don't know whether you guys know about Pen Pal, which was a thing.

When you write letters to people outside of your country

and then they write back and then, you know, it’s a thing.

How do that even happen?

How do you even know those people overseas?

Because I think newspapers would have some

They would have this kind of columns

and those who want to register themselves to be pen pals with other people.

And teen magazines.

So you can actually connect with people overseas

because they're trying to make friends from people out of the country too.

Is it any thing that you don't understand about the younger generation now?

Got, a lot.

How do I get us started?

I mean, which part? Where?

Maybe from the way we communicate?

You're not replying on time.

There's no updates.

So we need to, you know, keep reminding.

You know, you have to be accountable for, especially if you are involved

or, you know, have a plan with another person.

I know that you know this digital devices are very native to you

so you might have

like in your mind,

“Okay I will reply shortly.”

But you know, 5 minutes become like 15 minutes.

And then it's like the next day already.

You know what I mean?

So there's a lot of things you need to keep track off.

So whenever you see a message, try to quickly

I mean, for us too, sometimes we do miss out your messages as well.

We feel that

sometimes you guys do not know when to be formal and when not.

Especially when talking to your boss and all those

try to avoid using things like

“Oh, my bad.”

We already see something that is not done correctly.

And then the last I want to see somebody mention

“Oh, my bad.”

You could just say

“It’s my fault. Sorry, I won’t do it again.”

But you know, things like that, I feel probably you guys feel is normal.

But when you're talking to a different generation or even someone

who is of a higher authority, that may not be suitable.

To begin with,

I think start with introducing yourself.

Or you know, at least address the person, not just Hello.

not just “Hello”.

Because I think nowadays social media is like very unserious

So I think,

because for Gen Zs, we kind of live in social media stuff.

So we are too used to seeing all these,

unserious things happening on the internet.

And we would accidentally bring it into work situations.

Okay, I'm going to ask you now,

What do you think now?

Collaborating and working with older folks like us?

Not old people.

Sometimes we would think,

is this really okay for us to say?

Because I'm an overthinker honestly,

so everytime when people say something,

then I would think,

“Did I said this wrong?”

Because sometimes the reactions

are very different compared to people in our generation.

For an example, if I’ve said something like,

“I'm so sorry that I did this.”

Then they would be like “Oh it’s fine.”

But in a work environment with people who are older than us,

so sometimes I would have be very careful with my words.

If you guys reply

“Oh, okay.”

Then I would question myself whether I did something wrong.

But that’s because I’m an overthinker.

I don’t know about other people.

So that is a downside about having a conversation on chat.

Because you do not know the way the other person says that reply.

It is true because sometimes, you may interpret it differently.

You just do not know what's on the other end

and how they will perceive it.

So how do you guys actually got into the industry?

For me, I think Ngee Ann Poly

was the only school that was offering media studies back then.

The aggregate to get into was really high.

And you got to have an interview.

I wanted to go into the film school.

Then okay, I couldn't get in so I took a private course.

Then I got into Jsp Films.

That’s where

I really gain the interest of wanting to be an editor.

You started out as an editor? Really editing?

Started way below, as a tape operator.

I started with learning how to also

cut the quarter inch tape.

What is that?

My lecturer also kept mentioning that.

The cut tape?

Last time during lessons, he would say things like

“Y’all have it so easy! Now ya’ll just click the mouse can already.”

Exactly!

You know how difficult it is

like you need to edit right?

So everything is recorded into a one reel thing, right?

But if let's say that take in between is not what you wanted,

So you got to

literally physically cut that whole portion.

And then you try to join it with scotch tape or something.

And then after that you try to listen.

Now, everything is digital.

You can do whatever number of takes

without thinking of the costs of

you need to get a new reel or whatever.

All you need to do is just make sure you have enough memory, right?

For your cuts.

So how we had to sync audio,

everything is through the patchbay.

So once the visuals are ready,

for tape operator

we will work closely with the audio engineer

and then the full mix will come from the audio studio

and we will try to sync it at like a studio.

Like a studio. Like a whole machine area.

So he will do the countdown and then I will have to press

the insert button just so that everything is sync properly.

There's a lot of work, a lot of people involved.

It’s quite laborious because we have to be on standby

and the audio engineer also has to be on standby, that kind of thing.

So in this industry, I think the advance of technology really benefited.

Faster.

Easier.

Is it easier?

Probably.

You're talking about now, right?

Definitely!

Because we don't have that central machine room anymore.

The tape room.

It's all done in just one workstation.

Yeah. Again,

technology in this industry, really helps.

But at the same time, human factor is still much needed.

Was there a jump from using tape

then suddenly they came up with a new technology

where you don’t have to use tape anymore? Or was it gradual?

Have you heard of CDs or DVDs?

Yes.

So that was the interim.

That was the transition period.

People use a lot of CDs nowadays.

Nowadays, CDs and even DVDs are becoming so nostalgic

even though it just came out like a few-

Right? It was really for us.

When I was still a kid, I still use CDs and DVDs,

but nowadays, I see it in thrift shops.

Or like Salvation Army.

It’s becoming something that is so obsolete.

People don’t even use it anymore.

Before that

Before your CDs, were cassette tapes.

So we grew up on cassette tapes.

Cassette tapes are a smaller version of film tapes.

Do you actually buy?

Actually, yes.

I recently went to Japan and I went to a CD store

and they sold so many CDs that people didn't want anymore.

They donated it.

And I found some of my favorite artists’ stuff

in the jewel case.

So I just bought them and it was really cheap.

And I was like, “This is a good investment.”.

Do you know you can create your own CDs,

like blank CDs, and then you burn

I like that.

So you've got like all these songs,

plug don’t know from where,

download illegally,

and then you put it into the CD and then you burn

I mean, it's the same thing when you do your selection for the cassette.

When you have to press record.

Play record.

You have to press the play and record button together.

Yeah, that was fun actually.

If not it wouldn’t record.

Maybe I should try that one day.

I ask my grandma.

And then you know how we created our

our favorite top ten list of songs?

So every weekend, there’s this radio.

They would have this program,

Top Ten for the Week,

Top Hundred for the Week.

So you will wait with the empty cassette, right?

For the songs that you know are going to come up right?

Because we had the chart.

“Okay this one I don’t have it yet.”,

so once the DJ stops talking,

you record.

So I think that was a really very fun and you know

cheap thriller but then again, it works

because you get to

you don't actually buy because

cassettes were actually quite expensive right?

If you are interested in some girls,

you know what kind of songs they like,

you do a special list

then you write down all the songs, ten songs,

then you give the girl.

They were so happy.

That’s quite creative okay?

It’s so cute.

Actually, I find it very interesting

because it’s so boring nowadays.

You see on a video then after that you go to Spotify

Top Ten of the Week and it’s just there.

You don’t have to do anything.

Instant gratification.

You have no emotional connection to it.

That's a very good topic to talk about.

Instant gratification.

When everything comes so fast and so easily,

It doesn't build up the patience and resilience

towards working to a result.

So I think that is something is the end

result of what the bosses are not happy with the Gen Zs.

Not so much resilience.

And then the process of creativity is lacking.

They don't understand the whole process.

I think also that comes from like nowadays,

there’s a lot of short form content out there like TikTok.

It’s too easy to create.

You jus swap after seeing,

don’t really care about what goes on behind.

So how do you feel about that?

I mean like, you know, if all those instant

because you are thinking this course right,

more or less when you look at content, you know,

there's not much thought to it.

And then it's been done by AI or whatever.

So how do you feel about, you know, those kind of content?

Honestly, it’s not that I'm against it,

but it's more of like

I feel like sometimes you can use it,

but there should be a bit of

work that you yourself put into.

There needs to be a lot of research also involved, especially when

there are certain themes or message that you want to put across, right?

Yeah, that one need to be very careful.

I mean, AI is there

you use it to help you, maybe

just suggest some ideas.

But I think at the end of the day, it still has to be,

what comes from you.

That sense of accountability,

is much reduced.

If you depend everything on Chatgpt and AI.

Because you're just typing and everything comes up.

You don't have that.

“This is my work’ kind of feel to it?

Then you just do another prompt right?

So that the ownership, the pride, accountability

that is something that you need to develop over the years

and have an understanding towards that

if not, you're not working towards it.

Instant gratification kind of thing.

Unfortunately, we are running out of time

Now we will have five This or That questions

and you have to answer, would you rather have this?

Would you rather have that and then briefly just explain why.

Are you ready?

So first up,

would you rather have physical books or would you rather have e-books?

Physical books.

Physical books for me too.

Why?

I just like to smell new books.

And also, I love to look at the cover you know?

It gives me the motivation.

Like, you know, e-books is always in the phone.

If I don’t switch it on, I can’t see anything.

I'm not a very good reader,

but e-books put me to sleep much faster.

Because I get sleepy faster reading from e-books than physical books.

Physical books, I actually have to hold it otherwise it closes.

There’s a bit more energy.

Next up,

would you rather have analog digital photography?

I love Polaroids.

It’s instant, but you still have a physical copy.

And like, for digital,

I currently have about 8000 photos.

I can't believe, like, I tried to clean up, but it gets more and more.

So it's kind of been, yeah.

I have to go with digital just because it's very convenient

and you get to see the

the moment that you want to capture.

The ordinary one, you do not know whether you captured it or not,

and then you lose that chance.

But definitely like what she said,

after that you got to clean up.

I mean storage wise, you know,

now flats are getting smaller and smaller.

How am I going to store all the photos?

I'll have like

a pile up of photo albums in my home.

Next question,

but this more of which one do you prefer?

Would you prefer kampung culture or HDB culture?

Kampong culture.

Kampong culture.

As of now, I think

there are a lot of talk of bringing in the whole kampong spirit.

I think because of the hustle and bustle,

we tend to forget that we are living with people around us.

So having the kampung spirit is,

is very important.

You never know when you need help.

But kampong culture without handphones

because you know there’s no point.

You live in a kampong, everybody inside their own house.

The next question,

would you listen to the radio or use music apps?

Radio

Are you sure?

I recently I've been listening to radio.

All I hear are just advertisements.

Because most of your radio DJs are no longer on radio.

So the DJ chatter back then was more entertaining than present.

And then, less advertisements.

Next question.

Would you rather read newspaper for news

or would you rather get news updates on social media?

Well that's not exactly a tricky question.

But then again, newspapers are getting very slow with the news.

and these days you know,

people are so impatient right

they want to be the first know.

Social media, I think works for now.

But you have to back up with real situation

or you know just don’t fall for fake news.

I would prefer old newspapers

rather than the new ones although speed is very slow.

Because of all these recent, you know, trashy stuff.

Disguising as news.

I was a trained journalist.

Even sometimes I get fooled. Like is this real? Or is this fake?

Up to a point where I just gave up,

like I just couldn't be bothered with the news.

So you picked newspapers for it’s authenticity and stuff like that.

But then again, it's just too slow, right?

Not just yesterday’s, like three days late.

So the thing is, you have to be very conscious and smart,

media consumers, these days.

So thank you again Sha and Shalihin for coming to the podcast.

I mean, you guys are the original hosts.

But, you know, it's very fun to interview you guys.

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Key Vocabulary

Vocabulary	Meanings
communicate /kəˈmjuːnɪkeɪt/ B1	verb - to share or exchange information, news, ideas, feelings, etc.
reminding /rɪˈmaɪndɪŋ/ B1	verb - causing someone to remember something
involve /ɪnˈvɒlv/ B1	verb - to include someone in something
formal /ˈfɔːrməl/ B1	adjective - following accepted rules or customs, especially in language or style
generation /ˌdʒenəˈreɪʃn/ B1	noun - a group of people born and living during the same time
collaborating /kəˈlæbəreɪtɪŋ/ B2	verb - working jointly on an activity or project
environment /ɪnˈvaɪrənmənt/ B1	noun - the surroundings or conditions in which a person, animal, or plant lives or operates
downside /ˈdaʊnsaɪd/ B2	noun - a disadvantage or negative aspect of something
interpret /ɪnˈtɜːrprɪt/ B2	verb - to explain the meaning of something
technology /tekˈnɒlədʒi/ B1	noun - the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes, especially in industry
transition /trænˈzɪʃn/ B2	noun - the process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another
nostalgic /nɒˈstældʒɪk/ B2	adjective - having or causing a longing for things that happened in the past
thriller /ˈθrɪlər/ B2	noun - a novel, play, or film with an exciting plot, typically involving crime or espionage
gratification /ˌɡrætɪfɪˈkeɪʃn/ C1	noun - pleasure, especially when gained from the satisfaction of a desire
resilience /rɪˈzɪliəns/ C1	noun - the capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.
authenticity /ˌɔːθenˈtɪsəti/ C1	noun - the quality of being genuine or true

Key Grammar Structures

• I'm your host for today's episode, Charley!

  ➔ Present Continuous Tense

  ➔ This sentence uses the present continuous tense to describe a temporary role or state: "I'm"" your "host" for "today's episode"".

• Physically, we are still in the same side.

  ➔ Present Continuous Stative

  ➔ This sentence uses the present continuous with stative verbs to indicate a current state: "Physically, we are"" still in the "same side"".

• But actually, now I'm very curious.

  ➔ Present Continuous for Emotions

  ➔ This sentence uses the present continuous to express a current emotional state: "But actually, now I"'m"" very "curious"".

• When you make appointments with your friend at 2:00, and if your friends are late, you never know whether they are coming or they are not coming.

  ➔ Hypothetical Past with Conditional

  ➔ This sentence uses a conditional structure to describe hypothetical situations in the past: "If your friends "are"" late, you never know whether they "are"" coming or they "are"" not coming.".

• Everybody would just, you know, show up.

  ➔ Modal 'Would' for Past Habits

  ➔ This sentence uses 'would' to express habitual actions in the past: "Everybody "would"" just, you know, "show" up.".

• Then they would be like “Oh it’s fine.”

  ➔ Modal 'Would' in Narratives

  ➔ This sentence uses 'would' to report past responses in a narrative: "Then they "would"" be like “Oh it’s fine.”.

• So sometimes I would have to be very careful with my words.

  ➔ Modal 'Have to' in Past

  ➔ This sentence uses 'have to' in the past to express obligation: "So sometimes I "would"" have to be very careful with my "words"".

• If I’ve said something like, “I'm so sorry that I did this.”

  ➔ Past Perfect in Conditional

  ➔ This sentence uses the past perfect in a conditional context to refer to completed actions: "If I’ve"" said something like, “"I"'m"" so sorry that I "did"" this.”.