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Nick Fuentes, thank you for doing this.  Yeah, thank you for having me. I wanted  

to meet you. I've heard about you. I've  heard about you. So, thank you. Um,  

I want to understand what you believe and I  want to give you a chance in a minute to just  

lay it out. Not what you're pivoting against,  which are a lot of the same thing. You know,  

I agree with you on some of the things you're  pivoting against for sure, but what do you  

affirmatively believe? So, I just want to stand  back and let you explain it. But first, I want to  

understand how you got to where you are, how you  became Nick Fuentes. So, here's I'm just This is  

my understanding of your life arc. And tell me  if I'm wrong. You show up at Boston University.  

You grew up in a suburb of Chicago, kind of  working class, um, suburb of western suburb,  

and you show up at Boston University in  the fall of 2016 at the height of the well,  

the battle between Trump and Hillary. It's like  this kind of pivot point in history and you show  

up with a MAGA hat and you have a Trump hat and  you have like basically off-the-shelf Republican  

views. Yes. And so describe what the views that  you had then and then describe what happened.

Yeah. So, when I was in high school, I  was very political. I was reading a lot  

of the libertarian stuff, Austrian school,  Chicago school, economic uh type literature,  

cuz that's what was popular at the time. If you  went online in the mid early 2010s, that's all the  

conservative content there really was. That was  the most extremely online type economics. Well,  

uh, yeah. Yeah. Basically kind of the remnant of  the Ron Paul revolution. Yes, the Young Americans  

for Liberty. Um, Prageru, which kind of skews  a little more, I guess, conservative, but very  

basic small government, individualism, libertarian  type stuff. So, you you watch Prageru videos? Oh,  

yeah. I was in the Prager force. What's that? It's  a Facebook group for college kids and they promote  

the Prageru videos. Wow. Oh, that's to the college  students and high school. So, you really were a  

product of the moment. Absolutely. And how'd you  feel about Trump? Well, initially I didn't like  

Trump when the primary started in 2015. I was I  considered him to be a statist. Yeah. Which sounds  

so ridiculous now. No, a lot of people thought  that. Yeah. And I was a libertarian, so I saw  

him as a big government 1990s liberal. He when  he was asked about healthc care, he said, "Well,  

we'll take care of everybody." And I said, "I'm a  Rand Paul guy, Ted Cruz guy." Those were kind of  

my people back in 2015. You like Ted Cruz? I was a  cruise missile. Does Cruz know that? I don't think  

so. No, I was actually on his campaign. You were  on the Ted Cruz campaign? I don't know if I was  

on the campaign, but I door knocked in a little  village in Chicago in McKinley Park for Ted Cruz.  

No way. In the Illinois primary. Did he write you  a thank you note? No, I didn't get a thank you.  

Um, he lost so I guess. Yeah, he did. He did in  a very humiliating way. Uh, so wow, that's Wow,  

that's amazing. So, um, so what happened? So I  like everybody else in 2016 went through this  

ideological awakening and first I shifted to Trump  and the first realization that I had is it started  

in 2016 actually cuz the primary you know started  in 15 around April or May I think the first  

announcements and I had very negative feelings  about Trump and like I said pro Rand Paul pro Cruz  

but when the actual Iowa caucus happened and the  primaries began I saw that Trump was dominating  

and every night in the Super Tuesday uh when they  had all the big contests one after the other, I  

remember the media was furious that he was winning  one after the other. And I remember thinking to  

myself like structurally, if I'm a libertarian or  a conservative and we want to change the country,  

we have to win elections. If you want to win  elections, you have to bypass the media. I sort  

of had this realization that the media was really  standing in the way. they were the problem. And I  

had this realization that all the conservatives  and Republicans up to that point were afraid to  

take on the media. They like Mitt Romney would  cower before them and were so apologetic and so  

weak. And so initially I said, you know, I don't  I actually don't ideologically agree with Trump  

at all, but he will destroy the liberal media or  at least their monopoly on thought and opinion.  

Yes. And then a breakthrough can occur. So that  was kind of the first hump and I said, you know,  

I could get behind Trump because he's a winner.  He'll win for our side. And that was kind of the  

first big thing. And then as I listened to him  more and more, his speeches and his rhetoric,  

I started to think about immigration, which  you hadn't really considered before. Never.  

And the reason why is because I was from a  95% white suburb. So the diversity had not  

really reached my corner of Chicago yet. Um, we  were me and my family, not so much my family,  

they grew up in the city, but growing up in  the suburbs, I was insulated from that. So,  

it was just not even It's actually You're going to  love this. This is I don't know if I've ever even  

said this on an interview before. I was listening  to Mark Levin's show. This goes to show how normie  

I was. Actually, I listen to him every day. You  listen to Mark Leavvin every day? In high school?  

Yes. Wow. I was a fan. I loved his show and I  actually liked how uh he was kind of obnoxious and  

mean to his callers. Vicious and I liked that. I  thought that was funny. But I'll never forget one  

show he goes live and he says, "America's becoming  a majority non-white country. Does anybody think  

that's a good idea?" And I was thinking to myself,  "Yeah, that actually doesn't sound so good. I I  

didn't really even think that America's becoming  majority minority like that." And wait, so you  

were radicalized on race by Mark Levin? Yes. Are  you making that up? Is that's that's a real story.  

Amazing. Mhm. He planted the seed at least. And  then I saw a graphic on 4chan or Twitter, and  

I'm sure you've seen something similar. It said,  "This is what the map looks like, the electoral  

map. If only men vote, if only women vote. If  only whites vote. If only non-whites vote."  

And it became very obvious what the electoral  problem is. It's demographics. These immigrants  

are coming here. They're going to turn Texas blue  like they turned California blue. I saw it happen.  

Yeah. And you know, you look at even the opinion  polls, these people don't believe in free speech.  

They don't believe in the Constitution, the Second  Amendment, as a libertarian, the things that are,  

and as American, things that are important to  you, they don't believe, they don't understand  

these things. And so I said, that's another  political obstacle. You've got the media,  

you've got immigration. So, I'm thinking like,  well, we're going to vote for Ted Cruz. He's going  

to be the constitutionalist. We'll vote for Rand  Paul. He'll be the libertarian. But what stands  

in the way of political power for us? It's the  media and it's immigration. So, I said, "Well,  

we got to get Trump to beat the media, build the  wall, deport the illegals, and once we set the  

country straight, then we can actually have our  constitutional republic back." That was kind of  

the idea, and that's the mindset that I had going  into college. Amazing. So then what happened? So  

I go to college and I'm just at that point a huge  Trump supporter. And you got to understand for me,  

for my generation, so I was 18. I turned 18 in  August 2016. And to us, Trump. That's amazing.  

Yeah. Well, cuz we're like the first generation  that was influenced by Trump coming of age in that  

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It's transformative. And you know, so for us, he  was like the savior of Western civilization. We  

looked at him as like we, and by we, I mean me and  all the online kids, teenagers that supported him,  

we really believed the hype. Like Teflon Don  like he could go into any scenario and win.  

Like he was unstoppable, unflapable. nobody could  score points on him. He he just seemed like you  

you know they they said you can't stump the Trump  like he could not be stumped. And so we he just  

had this aura of inevitability, invincibility  and we I loved that. And so I went to Boston  

University. I got on campus in September and I was  wearing my MAGA hat everywhere in the dining hall,  

walking down the street and it's a city campus.  So you're walking down Commonwealth Avenue and  

you know you're in the city of Boston which is  super liberal and at that time it's different  

than it was now. People were getting fired for  wearing MAGA hats. People were getting punched  

in the face. It was like being a Trump supporter  was it was out there actually back then. It was  

controversial. It was controversial everywhere,  not even, you know, just in liberal Boston. But  

so I was wearing my hat everywhere and I was  just getting accosted constantly in the dining  

hall. People would come up and yell in my face.  Some black girl in a hijab ran up to me and said,  

"You know what? You're supporting. You're racist.  This and I'm trying to get my pizza. You know, I'm  

trying to get my oatmeal or whatever at the dining  hall. This was happening constantly." And so I was  

going then on Twitter and I had a small Twitter  account with my real name and face and I had,  

you know, maybe 200 followers. and I'm posting  about my experiences and I caught the attention of  

a lot of people on campus for wearing the hat, for  posting on Twitter and they found my You've only  

been there like a month less weeks, maybe three  weeks. This is starting to kick up and I I catch  

the attention of my peers and they start going at  me on Twitter and giving me death threats. We're  

going to kill you. How dare you? Uh if I see you,  I'm going to beat your ass. That kind of thing.  

And this was my first experience with this. Um,  you know, now we're all kind of desensitized to  

it, but that was my first runin with like, you  know, this intensity from the left. So, I file a  

police report. I get real nervous. And, you know,  when you're a student, you can't really avoid  

other people. You're in a dorm room. You're in  the, you know, so you're vulnerable. And anyway,  

long story short, so one of these guys from the  campus libertarian group, Young Americans for  

Liberty, he reaches out to me and says, "Hey, uh,  I'm I'm not going to say his name, but he goes,  

I I go to a school in Boston. I'm from YAL." He  said, "And I'd like to set up a debate with you  

and one of these people that's been giving you  a hard time on campus because they were doing  

a lot of events." He said, "Is that something  you're interested in?" I said, "Absolutely."  

And so he goes around and he asks some of the  bigger people that are antagonizing me on Twitter  

and everybody says no. And he goes, "Yeah, no  one's going for it." I said, 'Well, can you  

try again? Can you? And so he finds one guy and  it turns out to be the student body president  

of the whole university. Be you. Yeah. The  senior, this liberal douchebag progressive. Uh,  

and he's the student body president of the student  government there. And so we set up the debate. It  

was about a week before the actual election. So I  think it was end of October, beginning of November  

and they hold it in this auditorium in the in the  center of the campus and like 300 people show up.  

So it turns into like this huge and they're all  liberal. They all hate my guts. They're heckling  

me the whole time. They're yelling at me. We do  this debate about Trump versus Hillary. And so I'm  

there and I'm I'm proTrump and I say, you know,  I think Trump's going to win. And I'm straight up  

like ripping the Ben Shapiro talking points. I'm  saying, you know, it's got everything to do with  

culture and nothing to do with race and diversity  is a problem and all this. And I decisively win  

the debate. It's like not even close. The debate  wraps up and this girl who I I think I had talked  

to her on Twitter once or twice comes running  up to the stage after the debate and it's Cassie  

Dylan. And at this time, she's a fellow at Daily  Wire, Ben Shapiro's company. And like I said,  

I I barely knew her. and she comes running up and  she says, "Oh my gosh, I live streamed this debate  

on Periscope on Twitter." She said, "And 30,000  people watched it and you have like five job  

offers. You did incredible." I said, "Wow, I don't  know what to say. That that's great." She goes,  

"Uh, you're 18 years old." Yes. So, it's like  happening very quickly for me, you know. And  

she goes, "Do you want to do a postgame interview  uh after the debate?" I said, "Sure." And so she  

asked me about how I thought the debate went  and what my views are and things like that and  

uh you know very normal stuff. And then at the  end she says, "I just got back from doing study  

abroad in Israel." She goes, "And it was amazing.  Would you ever take a trip to Israel?" And I said,  

"No, I think I got everything I need right here  in America." And she goes, "Oh, okay." And she  

wraps up the interview. And that was a little bit  of foreshadowing. And this begins a relationship,  

not a romantic relationship, but we we become  friends and we start talking and she's plugged in,  

like I said, a daily wire. She's talking to  people at Right Side Broadcasting Network,  

the College Republicans. I start to  develop this friendship with her. And  

um over time, she lands me this show on Right  Side Broadcasting Network. And in this time,  

I'm really starting to lean into America first.  I'm becoming more proTrump as time goes on. And  

what really stood out to me was Trump's inaugural  address in January 17th. This was just a couple  

months later. And in Trump's inaugural, he says  famously, "A new vision will govern our land.  

It's going to be only America first. America  first." And I said, "That's me." Like, that's  

what I believe. I'm an American nationalist. Me,  too. Fully at this point. Not even a conservative.  

And there was one thing that happened just  before that that really struck me as strange.  

And I've told this story before. Um I'm not going  to spend too much time on it, but suffice to say,  

Barack Obama in the lame duck period. So he he the  Democrats lost the election. He's on his way out.  

There's a resolution in the Security Council  condemning the settlements in the West Bank  

in Israel. And typically the US delegation will  veto those resolutions condemning Israel. Well,  

Obama's on his way out. He's got nothing to lose.  So, the US delegation abstains from the resolution  

and it passes. And Fox News and all the pro-Israel  conservatives are calling him an anti-semite.  

They're saying he hates Jews. He's an anti-semite.  He hates Israel. And I saw that and it struck me  

as strange because it seemed hypocritical. It  seemed like how when conservatives would critique  

anything about race, we got called racist. Or  anything about feminism, we got called sexist.  

All Obama did was uphold US policy on  the West Bank that we've had since ' 67,  

which is we don't support the settlements. I said,  "How is it anti-semitic to just be consistent on  

our US foreign policy?" Like I said, which is a  Republican Democrat consensus? And I got attacked  

for this. I wrote a big article about this. I  tweeted about it. I tweeted to Ben Shapiro. I  

said, 'You know, I've never seen anything on the  Daily Wire that's actually critical of Israel.  

And he quote tweets me. And at this time, I have  a thousand followers on Twitter. How old are you?  

I'm 18. I'm a freshman. You're still a freshman in  college? Yeah. And this is even before I started  

my show, and I don't know, I probably got a 100  likes on this tweet. It wasn't a viral tweet. He  

quote tweets me and says to accuse a Jew of dual  loyalty is the shest sign of anti-semitism. And  

like this is how it sort of begins. And I see this  tweet and by the way that was on Christmas Eve in  

2016. He immediately called you an anti-semite.  Mhm. So I'm driving to uh Christmas Eve mass with  

my family and I see on Twitter the notification  comes up. Ben Shapiro quote tweets me calling me  

an anti-semite. And I was like, what is this?  Like, why is this guy attacking me, you know,  

because I don't have a platform at this time. I'm  not an influential guy or anything. And so then I  

put out another tweet similar. I said something  like, "If you're China first, you should live in  

China. If you're Mexico first, you should live in  Mexico. If you're Israel first, maybe you should  

go live in Israel." And again, he quote tweets me  and says, "You're an anti-semite that same night."  

This was I I think a couple weeks later, happened  a little bit further down the line. And so, were  

you surprised that he knew you were? Yeah, I was.  I was surprised at why he cared. Yeah. Because I'm  

thinking, how does he even know who I am or what  I'm about? And it turned out that Cassie Dylan,  

she had texted him earlier and she wanted him to  take me under his wing. She texted him after that  

debate and said, "You know, you you really  like this guy. He's amazing. He did this  

great debate." She goes, "But he's a little too  proTrump. He's a little too Trumpy." And he goes,  

"I'll take a look." And so, I guess the two of  them were kind of like grooming me in a sense.  

They wanted me to go maybe and be a Daily Wire  or maybe looking me as a potential conservative  

activist or influencer. And so they started paying  attention to me. And the more critical of Israel I  

was, I started to get this really intense push  back from the both of them and from a lot of  

the people at Daily Wire. Why do you think so?  You're an 18-year-old college freshman. You're  

clearly talented and you're engaged. you're  really interested and you ask not not crazy  

questions like what what is this? Mhm. And rather  than explain it, they just call you a racist,  

call you an anti-semite. Like that's the first  response. That seems like the least effective.  

Well, it turned out to be not very effective in  your case, but that seems like the least effective  

thing you could do. Why do you think they did  that? Well, I I think that you have to look at  

it not in retrospect because hindsight is 2020  and so looking back you could say they made a  

terrible mistake because look at sort of what they  provoked or what they catalyzed. But at that time  

you got to consider I'm 18 with no following  with no network. I'm coming from the suburbs  

of Chicago. My parents didn't go to college. I  have no connections. And so for them, it was very  

easy that if they detected that a promising  young guy was going to become anti-Israel in  

the conservative movement, they could crush that  person easily and grind them under the heel. So,  

they sort of were alerted, oh, there's a  precocious young guy that isn't on board with  

Israel. We'll keep an eye on him and if he gets  too vocal or popular, we'll cut him down. We'll  

crush him. Cuz at this time, as you know, in 2017,  it's a very different time. 201617, any criticism  

or disscent on the subject was a death sentence.  You became radioactive, unhirable, blacklisted.  

And that's exactly what happened. And basically  from then on, it was just this escalating series  

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seems like a big part of your political evolution.  Yes. You went from a fanacolyte to an opponent and  

then just pivoted against everything. Yeah. That  he believes. Yeah. It was because it was this new  

dialectic that Trump forced. Yeah. Trump planted  the seed and the seed was America first. Yes. So  

once you accept that, a lot of the way we're doing  things becomes impossible to support or justify.  

Right. The contradiction becomes apparent.  It gets moved to the center and it becomes  

unignorable if you're consistent. So what kind  of efforts did they make to make you go away?  

So, this is a couple of months down the line. You  know, first they would try to dissuade me from  

asking questions because I was friends with a lot  of the Daily Wire writers, not just Cassie Dylan,  

but many of them. Many of them were Jewish. And  I would ask them point blank. I would say, "So,  

why do we give Israel all this money? $3.8 billion  per year. What What is that for?" And they would  

say, "Well, you know, there's a really good answer  for that, but you're asking it in the wrong way.  

you're asking it in an anti-semitic way, I'd  say, I'm just I'm asking for the proof. You know,  

what's what's the argument there? And so, first  it was the sort of, "Hey, man, could you kind  

of tone it down? Maybe just don't bring that  up so much." But I was persistent because at  

this time I was genuinely inquisitive. I wanted  to know, is there an actual reason? And I was  

actually expecting that there was a really good  reason for all of it. And the more that I read,  

the more that I dug into the subject, the more  I found out there's a lot of these neocon Jewish  

types behind the Iraq war. There's the foreign  aid complex, which is really unique. There's APAC,  

which is this intense foreign lobby where it's  bipartisan. It seems to be the only thing that the  

the parties can agree on. And so it just made me  burn more with curiosity. So I I just kept asking  

them and eventually they said, "You know what?  we're not going to talk to you anymore. And these  

were my friends. I met them, went to Christmas  parties with them. And all of them one day said,  

"You're done. We're blocking you. We're never  going to speak to you again. We're never going  

to have you on our show." And I said, "Wow."  Like this this seems like inhuman. I'm struck  

by how impersonal this is. Like here, I thought  we're friends. We're all conservatives. Maybe  

we disagree on one issue. Now I'm being cancelled  by the right. So, I was shocked by this. When was  

this? This was February or March 2017. So, you're  still a freshman in college? Yes. Do Are you even  

paying attention to college at this point? No, not  at all. And I my grades started to suffer cuz I  

was just really focused on this. So, that's pretty  young to get cancelled and pretty young to have  

friendships destroyed over politics like that's  usually, you know, like decades down the line,  

right? What did you do? Well, I just became more  emboldened. And so I I took this story on my show.  

At this time I was on RSBN and I had this show  which I named after the inaugural. It's called  

America First. And I would kind of subtly bring  up the Israel topic and say, you know, this is  

something you're not allowed to talk about. This  seems like an apparent contradiction. It's a big  

problem. And they escalated their attacks. Cassie  Dylan would call my boss, who she was friends with  

at RSBN every day for weeks, saying, "You'll never  believe what Nick said on his show tonight. It's  

so racist. It's so bad. You got to take him off  the air. It's going to make you look bad." And I  

would then get word from my boss, Joe Seals. He  was the founder at Right Side. And he would call  

me up and say, "I don't know what has gotten  into Cassie. I thought you guys were friends,  

but she is calling me every day hysterically  demanding that I fire you. And I was like,  

wow. Like, so it it just keeps getting worse. It  starts with this like they're very weird about the  

subject. Then they don't want to talk to me. Then  they're trying to get me fired. And I'm thinking,  

okay, so clearly what I'm asking about, there's  some truth there that they don't want. Did any  

I should have asked you this earlier. Did anyone  during the course of you know pre-cancellization  

say to you here are the reason you're not  asking the question correctly but there are  

reasons that are foreign aid to Israel is so  high like and here's what they are they did  

but in a very general and vague way as you know  it's never specific they would say things like  

well they're they're our partner in the Middle  East they're a democracy in the Middle East just  

as very vague it's rhetorical and I read the  Israel lobby by Mir Shimemer and Steven Wall  

And they break it down very succinctly that  there's no real strategic benefit. Actually,  

there are strategic liability. Eastern  Mediterranean is not a strategically  

important region. The intelligence that Israel  provides is not useful. Actually, it's detrimental  

because they frequently lie. The technology  we give them, they pass along to the Chinese,  

which was a big scandal. Um, so, so I would give  them all this and say, "Yeah, that's not adding  

up." And they would say, "Yeah, yeah, well, you  know, you really just can't talk about that.  

Your friend said that to you? Yes. Wow. Um, okay.  So, what happened to your job? The Right Side  

Broadcasting gig. Eventually, I got fired. I got  kicked out. Why? Because one of these clips that  

Cassie Dylan had a problem with. She ran it up the  flag pole. She took it to Media Matters actually,  

which is a left-wing outfit. They're like a cancel  mill. And wait, the Daily Wire person took it to  

Media Matters? Yes. Are you sure? I'm 99% sure.  Huh? What was the clip? It was a clip, ironically,  

where I was talking about the travel ban, the  so-called Muslim ban, and I was defending it, and  

I said that the First Amendment does not protect  foreign nationals. It doesn't protect Salafists,  

you know, Wahhabis. He's like, you know, I said,  they're saying that there's a constitutional  

right for radical Muslims to come here. And I  said, that how are they protected by the First  

Amendment? They're they're foreign nationals. And  the the authoral intent of the first amendment was  

actually not even to protect that to begin with.  You know, it's kind of anti-Christendum radical  

ideology. So, it's something ironically that  probably Shapiro and Cassie would agree with,  

but they recognize the currency that a clip like  that would have with the left because a left could  

say you're Islamophobic, you're racist. So, she  brought that to the left saying, "Look at this  

guy. It's not that he's anti-Israel, but he's  anti-Muslim. Yes. That's very interesting. Yes.  

And so that clip appears on Media Matters, which  at the time what I was the subject of a lot of  

attacks from them at the time and people kind of  listened to them. Yeah. Including on the right,  

they listened to them. Yes. So what happened? So I  had to write an apology. My boss called me up and  

said, "You need to apologize for what you said for  being anti-Muslim." Yes. And so I I I didn't write  

I'm sorry, but I I had to write something like,  well, I should have chosen my words more carefully  

and this that and the other. And ultimately then  they fired me a couple weeks later. Yeah. What  

And what was the pretext for that? Well, they  wanted to get in the White House press office.  

They wanted a press pass and they said it's the  stuff you're saying on the show isn't like a good  

look for right side. it it's they're not going  to let us into the White House if you're with  

us and that and but the pressure in this scenario  came exclusively from the Daily Wire. Yes. Yes.  

Because and and here's how I know why. My show got  maybe a hundred live viewers every night. Not a  

powerhouse show. No. So the Med Media Matters was  not on to me. They were put onto me by uh people  

in the right that wanted me canled. Yeah. Well,  that's interesting. So then what do you do? You're  

failing in school. Your show just got cancelled.  What's your plan now? So I dropped out college.  

Mhm. Y and I I hated college and it was very  expensive. Even I had a substantial scholarship,  

but it was still expensive and I didn't like  it. So my plan was that I was going to go to  

a different college. I might work for a year, make  some money. And uh eventually I got the show back  

about a month later they came back and by popular  demand from my 100 viewers who were very dedicated  

uh right side offered me the show back and so I I  took the show again over the summer uh and then I  

applied for a job at the leadership institute that  was kind of the next big saga. But you didn't get  

that job? No I did not get the job. Why? Well,  I was told because I knew people um that worked  

there that were field representatives there. It  was a field representative job. And so I went  

out for a job training at the end of July 2017.  So after that second semester and I applied for  

this field rep job. It was this twoe training and  I go there and on the first day of the whole thing  

they go around the room of all the prospective  applicants. It's like a big try out basically  

for two weeks and they wanted to get everybody  to break the ice and know each other. So we did  

introductions. They said say your name, how old  you are and why you're a conservative. And at  

this time people are not where let's say we are  right now. They're not America first. They're not  

any anything like they're not talking about great  replacement. That's not on the radar for them. So,  

you go around the room and you hear stuff about  small government, free markets, you know, personal  

responsibility, that sort of thing. And they  get to me and I said, "Well, I'm a conservative  

because we're losing our civilization because  of mass immigration. America doesn't resemble  

America anymore. France is no longer France." I  said, "And if we don't conserve the demographics,  

forget about the rest. That that's what we need to  conserve." And I said that and I was told later on  

that at that moment I was immediately disqualified  by the people that were running the job training.  

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So where does that like where does that  leave you ideologically? Like how are you  

changing at this point? So, at this point, I'm  realizing that something is deeply wrong here  

in the conservative movement because we were  led to believe in in those days of the campus  

culture wars and Gamergate and and all that is  that we're the marketplace of ideas and we're  

about free speech and the rest of it. And here I  am being like nuked from orbit by Ben Shapiro as a  

kid and for asking what I thought were reasonable  questions because I didn't come from some strange  

background. I come from a normal home. You know,  my parents are Catholic. They're married. We came  

from a relatively affluent suburb. I went to Lions  Township. That's like a very affluent high school.  

In other words, I didn't wake up as like the  son of uh, you know, William Luther Pierce. So,  

I wasn't like a skin head or something, you know?  I was like a normal guy that was like, "Yeah,  

like country's too diverse. We're too pro-Israel.  Like, this is reasonable." And I was just getting  

sandbagged for it and blacklisted. And and what's  more, nobody cared. Like, cuz I remember going on  

Twitter and saying like, you know, why isn't  anyone sticking up for me? Where's Dave Rubin,  

you know, the free speech warrior? Where's he  on this one? Where's Shapiro? Where's all these  

people? and and in some way they were all sort  of complicit in this. So I realized that the  

conservative movement was completely bankrupt in  that way. Yeah. Became very radical. Well, it you  

became I mean let me just say I'm so familiar with  you know I was much older when it happened to me  

and much more much more insulated. I was not a  college student. I was like 45. So you know and  

um I was in a much better place to withstand the  pressure. But I do think one and I want to this is  

my main question to you is when you get attacked  when people call you names like they always call  

me racist and I would always think to myself I'm  actually not I would tell you if I was racist  

little I'm a little sexist but I'm not racist and  I never understood why they did that and then I  

thought maybe the point is to make me racist where  you just get to you get to a point where you're  

like well if you're going to slander me then I'll  just become the thing you're calling me. I do  

think that's a feature of human nature, don't you?  And if you stare too intently at the accusers, at  

the, you know, whatever Ben Shapiro or Mark Leven  or Ted Cruz or whoever it is calling you names,  

it like distorts you and you actually change and  become what they say you are. Have you thought  

that ever? Do you worry that that happened to  you? No, I don't think it ever did because I I  

know who I am. I had a very firm grounding of what  I'm about, which is that I was deeply Catholic,  

and I still am deeply patriotic and pro-American.  And um I don't consider myself temperamentally to  

be an angry or a hateful person. So I I never,  in other words, lost my center. You know,  

they say this thing about uh you look into the  abyss and the abyss stares back into you. That  

never really happened to me. I I was frustrated.  I was frustrated because I felt like I was being  

denied a level playing field. opportunity and it  it wasn't fair. I felt like I was right. And these  

people that were basically hypocrites, grifters,  not really conservative, they were controlling the  

conversation. And and as a consequence, they were  controlling the Republican movement. And I really  

perceive this as like an urgent crisis because  if we wanted Trump to deliver America first, to  

realize it, uh it it had to the Trump movement had  to transform the conservative movement to reflect  

the victory that Trump won. So I and I won't  keep torturing you with biographical questions,  

but I do want to like Sue, how you get your  show gets cancelled, you drop out of college,  

you have no money, you decide you want to work  at the leadership institute, which is like a  

conservative think tank of or some organization  of long-standing in Arlington, Virginia. Can't get  

the job there because you're worried about  immigration. It's all pretty amazing. And  

then like where does that leave you? How did you  succeed? Well, I continued doing my show. I did it  

independently. Um, what does that mean? How do you  do it? How do you do a show independently? Like,  

how did you do it? I started a YouTube channel.  Yeah. And I was in my parents' basement and uh I  

put up a green screen. I got my computer webcam  and I just started going live every night in the  

same way that I did at RSBN. I just did it on my  own channel where I had creative control over it.  

And and at that point I I basically mounted an  attack on the conservative establishment from the  

outside. I sort of realized that there's sort of  two ways you could play this. You could infiltrate  

the conservative movement. I could recant all  my views and apologize and pretend to be one of  

them and bypass the gatekeepers, the sensors, I  said. Or I could kind of be in the wilderness and  

I would be alone and I would be radioactive, but  I could challenge the credibility and legitimacy  

of the conservative movement and its claim to  represent conservatives. And that was kind of  

the mission was to say, um, no, the immovable  standard is America first. I'm going to represent  

it and the conservative movement is going to have  to move to me. I will not move towards them. And  

I thought maybe I'll make money and maybe I won't,  but I'm going to try it for a couple of years and  

and I'll see how it goes. So, but the the sight  picture in your head was enemy is conservative  

movement. Yes. Do you think um you think that  was a good choice? Yes, absolutely. Rather than  

like but why not like Antifa or you know I I  don't know Anti-Defamation League or there are  

a lot of institutions on like George Soros like  why would it be the conservative establishment?  

Why do you think that was important? Well, I  I kind of took a page from Trump's playbook,  

which is that you have to in the country, the left  was hegemonic over all the institutions. And you  

have this organized opposition to the left and  the Democrats and all the left-wing controlled  

institutions. And the organized opposition comes  from movement conservatism, the Republican party,  

Fox News, you know, the the sort of constellation  of conservative institutions. And I said,  

"The problem is whether you go Democrat or you go  Republican, you're kind of just like getting the  

same thing. You're getting the establishment  effectively. The opposition is basically  

controlled or moderated. It's not authentic  opposition. It's not a true alternative."  

And so I said, we, and by we, I mean  the true America first nationalists,  

we need to fight for the mantle of the opposition  and then leading the opposition, then we can take  

the fight to the left as the conservatives, as the  Republicans, whatever. But first, you have to win  

that internal battle among the audience that  the conservatives have. Because that's really  

the problem is that they have usurped the base  is extremely conservative, extremely anti-left,  

but the Republican party like those that represent  them are are not at all. They're very a lot of  

them are atheists, a lot of them are gay, a lot  of them are feminists. And so I said like we we  

kind of need to rally like Trump did rally the  base against the establishment and then take the  

fight to the left as the true alternative. And if  you can win that, then you win the country. that  

that was kind of Trump's model. What what did  you see as like the most important gatekeepers  

that needed to be overturned, pushed aside in  order to do this? It it was these Zionist Jews  

like Dave Rubin, like Ben Shapiro, like Dennis  Prager. Um it was these um the guys that were  

really controlling the media apparatus that seemed  to me to be the biggest impediment. Fox Fox is not  

a Jewish business, though. Well, Ruper Murdoch is  an ally of Netanyahu, so he's aligned. Yeah. And  

he owns the whole News Corp empire, so and yeah,  he's certainly a part of it also. Um I mean Dave  

Rubin though, does he matter? No. No, not really.  Right. I mean Dave Rubin, it's like I don't know.  

Do people watch Dave Rubin? Uh they did back  then. I mean because you got to consider they  

they were kind of like the ascendant new media,  you know, they represented the next big thing.  

I mean, and Ben Shapiro seems irrelevant  to me now. Now, but back then for

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question. So I look at the landscape now and the  people I see as you know I'll just I'll narrow it  

down to foreign policy. Okay. who is effectively  opposing neoonservative foreign policy,  

which has been the dominant foreign policy of the  United States for my entire life, which has been  

so destructive, I think, and I've seen it. Um, who  are the voices who are sincere in their opposition  

to that and who have some ability to to change  uh the country's orientation on foreign policy?  

And those would include Marjorie Taylor Green, JD  Vance, um Matt Gates, uh but you've attacked all  

of those people. Yeah. Why would you in almost Joe  Joe Kent Mhm. Um those strike me as someone who's  

really interested in this topic. I'm not that  interested in the Jews, but I'm very interested in  

the foreign policy question. Those seem like the  most sincere those seem like the only hope of the  

country to get away from this destructive really  self-destructive cycle. Why attack them? Well,  

in short, they attack me first. Yeah, but like  who cares? Well, let's take Joe Kim. I mean,  

you attack me constantly and I'm like, I don't  really give a [ __ ] I want to meet the guy. You  

attack me first, too. No, no, no, no. But I'm  What I'm saying is I'm not whining about it.  

I'm just saying like so you know what I mean?  Well, I don't I don't say so because like take  

Joe Kent for instance. I supported Joe Kent and  I talked to Joe Kent. I got introduced to him by  

Matt Brainard. Matt Brainer went to my conference  in 2021. He bought a table. Was he a campaign  

manager? He was. Okay. Or he was a consultant,  but he was on the campaign. Yeah. And so I met  

Matt Brainard. He liked me a lot. He loved my  conference in February 21, which he bought a table  

at for his organization, Look Ahead America. And  in 2021, we, and by we, I mean my nonprofit and  

myself and my team. We wanted to support America  First candidates in the midterms, like you said,  

authentic opponents. Me, too. Yeah. That's how  I found Joe Kent. Yes. And um so I I met a lot  

of the people in that sort of scene like Ryan  Gduski I know is very supportive of Joe Kent and  

other people that are more private I don't want  to name but they put me on not just a Joe Kent  

but Patrick Wit in Georgia uh Gibbs in Michigan  a lot of different people and Joe Kent was one  

of them and I had a phone call with Joe Kent and  I told him I had my assistant on the phone too  

who's Jewish by the way just cuz I want you to  know I'm cool like that you know I don't judge  

But um so I'm on the phone with Joe and I said,  "Look, we support you and we want to do everything  

we can to help you. We want to have my followers  knock on doors for you. We want to boost your  

social media. Anything that you need, we want  to help you." I said, "And we don't even want  

to be publicly associated." I said, "Because  we know that that might hurt you." I said,  

'The only thing that we ask in return is you can't  disavow me if the media asks, and you can say  

whatever you need to say, but you can't disavow.  And he said, 'Y yeah, I totally agree with you  

because if we start disavowing each other, then  we're just going to eat each other alive and  

the left wins. We're in agreement. And a couple  months later, Joe tweeted in support of me cuz I  

had been banned on all social media. I was on the  no-fly list. So he said something on Twitter like,  

you know, Nick Fuentes shouldn't be banned.  He should not be censored. A month after that,  

I put out on Twitter, I said, Joe Kent is one  of the most impressive America first candidates  

that's running in 22. Well, fast forward a whole  year later. I do my annual conference, AFPAC,  

in February 22. Marjorie Taylor Green attends.  It's uh we had 1,200 people and it got a lot of  

media attention and I'm driving home cuz I'm  on the no-fly list at this time. I'm driving  

home from Florida. Can I ask you pause? By no fly  list, do you mean not extra scrutiny but like not  

allowed to fly in airplanes in the United States?  Not allowed to fly. Yes. How can that How can How  

old were you? I was 23. Did you have any felony  convictions? No. Okay. How can I'm not I wasn't  

even aware that that could happen. How long were  you not allowed to fly in airplanes in the United  

States? One year. It's really crazy. Yeah, it  was. Sorry. I just want to get that out there.  

No. Yeah, it's brutal. And you confirmed that you  were not allowed to fly in airplanes? Yes, I have  

the letter from the TSA. Yeah, I was on the do  not board list. That's Sorry. Sorry to interrupt  

you. No, it's crazy. But um so anyway, so I'm I'm  driving home from Florida after my conference and  

I get people start texting me. Joe Ken is on  Twitter and he says, "I condemn Nick Fuentes,  

especially his views on Israel." That's the tweet.  And I texted Joe and I said, "Seriously?" And he  

texts me back and he says, "We win by addition,  not subtraction." I go, "Well, you just subtracted  

me out of the movement." I said, "Because I don't  support you anymore." He goes back for seconds.  

He goes on Twitter and says, "Nick Fuentes and  his focus on race and religion does not fit with  

my message of inclusive populism." Inclusive  populism. That doesn't sound like authentic  

America first. That sounds like [ __ ] to me. And  I don't know. I know he's your friend, but I don't  

know him that well. I'm not on the team. Well, I  I so my read on Joe Kent was he's totally sincere.  

He like me has always been committed to separating  out like foreign policy views from ethnicity. Not  

because I mean obviously I'm denounced as an  anti-semite every day. So I I don't really care  

what ADL thinks of me, but my Christian faith  tells me that there's no such thing as blood  

guilt and virtue or sin is not inherited. It's  not a feature of DNA. So every person must be  

assessed individually as God assesses each person  individually. And that's like a foundational view.  

So I always thought it's great to criticize and  question like our relationship with Israel because  

it's insane and it hurts us. We get nothing out  of it. I completely agree with you there. But  

the second you're like, well actually it's the  Jews. First of all, it's against my Christian  

faith. Like I just don't believe that and I never  will. Period. And second, then it becomes a way to  

discredit. That's when I was like, "This guy's  a fed." I was totally convinced you were a fed  

because I was like, "Here he's bear hugging like  the one sincere guy who lost his wife in Syria  

thanks to the [ __ ] crazy wars, neocon wars, and  he's discredit. He's doing the David Duke." Like  

David Duke would always, every time I rolled out  a new show, he would issue an endorsement of the  

show. I've never met the guy. What's that?  Well, it's the feds. Obviously, he's trying  

to destroy me by association. Whatever. You see  the point? Yeah. But so, let me ask you this. So,  

if I'm supporting Joe Kent, I'm David Duke bear  hugging. If I attack Joe Kent, I'm attacking the  

only sincere America first. I get it. I mean, I do  get it. And I I just want to say I love Joe Kent.  

Um I don't I can't having been denounced by a lot  of people I like, I know what that feels like. So,  

I definitely am sympathetic to that. Yeah. I  was denounced by someone I like last night.  

I was I hurt my feelings. You know what I mean?  Whatever. I'm not going to say what her name is,  

but I helped her. I liked her. You know, it's  like, why are you denouncing me? Why don't  

you call me? Yeah. Right. I get that. I guess  the two problem. But then on the other hand,  

like one of my favorite people in the world is  Glenn Greenwald. Mhm. Yeah. I love Glenn. Oh, what  

a good man. Glenn must have spent like 10 years  attacking me full-time. Tucker Carlson is d and  

he was some of his criticism was correct actually  you know with tool of the neocons endorsing these  

[ __ ] wars like he was right but he really hated  me and then when we started to agree on stuff I  

was like you know what it's not about me I don't  care like I don't want personal peak or my hurt  

feelings to govern my behavior. I guess that's  what I'm saying. I'm not lecturing you. I get  

it. But I feel like gay pissed you off. It's in  a campaign. He's got 19 consultants. This kid's  

a Nazi. be careful of him. Like, I don't know.  Let it go. Well, and I I totally agree with you,  

by the way. And um and and that's why I don't take  it personally at all. Like, and I like you. I've  

said very positive things about you on my show as  well. I think and I know, but I I mean to say that  

um my goal is America first. It's not about me.  It's not about my personality. It's about winning  

for America, you know, and by winning, I mean we  want to see our vision realized. Um, but with Joe,  

for me it was very specific that he said inclusive  populism. And I really didn't like that because  

to me there were a lot of similar phrases at  this time. Multi-racial workingclass populism,  

this kind of stuff. And I said, you know, on some  level, we do need to be exclusive, not inclusive.  

We do need to be right-wing. We do need to  be Christian. we do on some level need to be  

pro-white, not to the exclusion of everybody else,  but recognizing that white people have a special  

heritage here as Americans. Um, and so the reason  I opposed him in 22 was not because I was mad,  

but it was to say America first cannot backslide  into this kind of inclusive populism message,  

which I perceived to be more like GOP slop. And  I'll tell you, when he ran again in 24, I did not  

oppose him. I did not oppose him. And I would have  supported him if he had reached out or something  

like that. Um because for me it it was very  political and professional. I wanted to impose  

a cost. If you disavow someone cuz they criticize  Israel. If you disavow someone for talking about  

white people and Christianity, I said we can't  let that slide because and you understand why he  

did it. Like I don't on some level I don't hold  it against him in the sense that there is such a  

strong incentive. It's easy to say, "I disavow  all these crazy Christians and all these crazy  

white nationalists." Cuz it buys you wiggle room  with people that are attacking you. It's like easy  

to throw them under the bus and say, "I'm one of  the good guys." And so I said, "It's too easy.  

We need to push in the other direction and say you  should feel less comfortable uh saying that people  

shouldn't talk about their race and religion.  Maybe you think twice next time." And that I so  

I did it for a very specific reason. And um I I I  get that. What I do think is bad, just objectively  

bad and destructive is the all Jews are guilty  or all anybody is guilty of anything cuz that's  

just like not true. And we don't believe that as  Christians. We I mean my hero in life is Paul.  

Guess you call him St. Paul. Saul of Tarsus,  a Pharisee. Yeah. And meets Jesus and becomes  

this just incredible man. incredibly brave, smart,  loving, like everything you want to be as a man,  

he was Jew. Yeah. So like, you know, and God did  that to him. So it's like you can't I think that's  

an And I don't think it's like mushy liberal  [ __ ] which I hate and I hate all the language  

that you're describing. I get why it offends you  because it's code for I don't really believe what  

I'm saying. I I have a PhD in the subject so I  know. But I also think there is like a a true not  

just principle but like spiritual reality that we  have to defend which is God created every person  

as an individual not as a group. He no woman gave  birth to a community. Like we hate that kind of  

thinking, right? Collectivist thinking like that.  That's identity politics. That's what Dave Rubin  

engages in. That's why Dave is like a just a  child. Like you don't pay any attention to Dave  

cuz he's like shallow. But we're not going to be  that, right? Or no? No. I I completely agree with  

you and you know like and not to be that guy and  say that thing but like my best friend is a Jewish  

person, you know. So like but here but here's  my I guess here's my substantive disagreement  

because I as a Catholic I could not agree more  with you. Yes. In in what you're saying. I love  

all people even the ones that don't like us. We  have to love them all and we have to recognize  

that we're required to. Yes. Yes. And especially  Aquinus says the Jews are a witness people and so  

they actually have special protections under the  law according to Catholic philosophy. But I guess  

my substantive disagreement, which I've said on  the show also, is the idea that neoconservatism  

and and Israel has nothing to do with Jewishness,  Jewish identity, the Jewish religion, because  

clearly the state of Israel and the neocons are  deeply motivated by that ethnic identity and  

their allegiance to Israel proceeds from that.  you know, the the plan of greater Israel, the  

the blood and soil nationalism of Israel, it stems  from this ethno religion which is Judaism. Well,  

this is uh you know just BLM the new version. This  is identity politics. They're engaging in identity  

politics. I I mean that's just so obvious to me.  It but the problem in your response so you're of  

I mean I get what you're saying but the problem  in your response is it does not apply to every  

individual. No. And I would never say that. Okay.  Well, I just think it's important to say that not  

to kind of like dodge the accusations against  you. My best friends are Jewish. Like okay, I  

agree. Emar embarrassing even though it's probably  true in your it's true in my case actually. But  

whatever. But because just that principle that  we're all judged as individuals by what we do,  

the our faith, the decisions that we make, the way  we live our lives, and God will judge every one of  

us in that way. And that's how we're supposed  to judge. Like, is that I think that's true.  

Yeah. And I and I totally agree. But I I guess the  disagreement is you you say identity politics like  

it's a bad thing. I think identity is a reality.  Identity is a reality. Absolutely. You just can't  

have a country of 350 million this diverse where  it's just like waring ethnicities cuz then it's  

just it's you I mean it's Rwanda soon and you  know the people with the most force just kill  

the others. So like you can't have that here,  right? Yeah. And but I I would say specifically  

as it pertains to you know you I think have said  it's it's the neocons, it's the neocons and I  

think that neoconservatism where does it arise  from? It arises from Jewish leftists who were  

mugged by reality when they saw the surprise  attack in the Yam Kapoor war. Yeah. Well,  

that's a lot of it for sure. But then like how do  you explain Mike Huckabe, Ted Cruz, and they're a  

lot like that. John Bolton, I mean, I've known  them all. George W. Bush, like the Carl Rove,  

I mean, all people I know personally who I've seen  like be seized by this brain virus and they're not  

Jewish. They're most of them are self-described  Christians. And and then the the Christian  

Zionists who are well Christian Zionists, like  what is that? And I can just say for my self, I  

dislike them more than anybody, you know, because  like what? because it's Christian heresy and I'm  

offended by that as a Christian. That's why. So I  don't like why not like I'm pissed at the neocons.  

Very pissed. I've said that a million times. I've  been mad since December of 2003 when I went to  

Iraq. And so like I went and hassled or hassled  asked straightforward questions to Ted Cruz cuz  

that seemed like was a sitting senator who's like  serving for Israel by his own description. He  

seemed like a worthy target. I'm not going after  MTG. Mhm. Who's like the most sincere per like why  

not go after Ted Cruz? I don't understand. Well,  again with Marjorie, I was a friend of hers and  

she spoke at my conference and then the day after  she pretended like she didn't know me and that was  

in 2022. But it's a things it's a continuum. Like  you said yourself, you showed up in college like  

one set of views they evolve as you interact with  reality as the reality itself changes as like you  

learn things you grow like whatever people change.  Well, and and look, now that everyone agrees with  

me, I I will graciously forgive them for being  personal. Like, who cares? It's not personal for  

me. Like with Marjorie, if she wanted to um you  know, be aligned or whatever, I I would totally be  

on board with her. But where do you disagree with  her? I don't know cuz I don't know what her new  

views are. She's really only come around on Israel  this year and I've been talking about this issue  

for 10 years and Right. Okay. All right. You win.  But like, no, but it's not but it's not like that.  

It's just it it's a little it feels like BS to  me that and I said this on Twitter the other day.  

It's like I got treated like I didn't exist and  cancelled for 10 years for saying these things.  

And that's really where all this drama comes from.  A time when there was this intense censorship and  

nobody was on board with this stuff. Like  again, Marjorie, she fired one of my people  

was working in her office. She fired that guy  cuz someone found out that a groper was working  

in her office and you know that guy got his life  ruined and she pretended like she didn't know me  

and lied and said I had no idea the conference  I was speaking at. She knew exactly what it was  

and that's fine. Um but now that she's on the same  page, there's like this expectation like okay well  

um you know why why did you have a problem with  her in the past? It's like because she was on the  

other team in the past. Yeah. Well, so was so was  everybody. So now so are you. I mean, so what? I  

mean, what why not? You don't You want It's got  to be bigger than just like us, right? And it's  

not I don't think Well, I'll speak for myself. I'm  I don't feel like I'm at war with the neocons or  

Israel. It's much bigger than that. It's like  you want to restore America to a place where  

your grandchildren would enjoy growing up. That's  it. Yeah. Well, and I've and as far as Marjorie,  

it's not who cares. Don't you know what I mean?  Like, okay, lots of people hurt my If Dave Rubin  

called me tonight, which he would never do that  he has myself. Um, and said, you know, I'm really  

sorry I called you Hitler. Like, I didn't mean it.  You're raising lots of legitimate questions, which  

I think I sort of agree with or am thinking about  in a deeper way. I'd be like, great. Yeah. Like,  

I don't care. That's And look, Tucker, that's why  I'm sitting here, you know? I mean, because we had  

a contentious dialogue. Well, I thought you were  a fed. I was And I thought you were a fed. I was a  

fed. I'm not a fed. Um, but whatever. I don't care  what people Yeah. We showed each other a badge as  

we know. We're all No, but I thought you were a  fed because I was like, why not? It's not cucking  

to say you're not talking about all Jews when you  oppose a foreign policy position. It's not. It's  

There's nothing liberal about that. It's just  true. That's the Christian position. Okay. And  

two, why are you attacking like the best people  and not the worst people? Well, yeah. I mean,  

again, he he disavowed me for my views on Israel  and said, "I talk too much about white people and  

Christianity." And to me, that's like a sincere  ideological disagreement. And you know, same  

thing with Marjorie. Marjorie fired my guy. She  disavowed me. and um you know and and you worked  

with Blumenthal on that article, but you called  me on the phone and I we like what from my persp

who is for first of all, who is this kid? I'm  working at Fox News. I'm I'm aware there's an  

internet, but I'm more out of it than you  may appreciate. And I'm like out of nowhere  

attacking this one. I had Joe Kent here to my  house. I did this interview with him and I'm  

always in search of a sincere politician.  Not don't have to agree on everything,  

but I really believe sincerity is the whole game.  If someone's heart is pure, he will be brave. I  

always have thought that and it's turned out to be  true. Marjgery is a perfect example and that's all  

that matters. If you're afraid inside, if you're  weak inside, you will crumble when it matters. So,  

I really felt like, wow, Joe, I don't agree with  him and everything, of course, but I was like,  

this guy is really sincere. he's like a good  person and then you show up and you're like  

he's a CIA officer and I'm going to I mean he  was a CIA contractor but like really like crush  

the guy and it's like why of all people you you  agree on 90% of stuff you know that was my view  

and I was like well clearly this kid's a fed right  but you didn't know the whole story so I didn't  

you're absolutely right and and look and now that  and I want to be I'm not trying to be combative I  

think that go ahead I'm not you're not talking my  feelings no I mean here here's what I'm trying to  

say is now that Marjorie is pushing in the right  direction, I absolutely support everything she's  

saying and I've not been critical of her at all  this year cuz I think that what she's doing is  

extremely courageous and I think you're right,  she is sincere. So it sounds like your not to  

put words in your mouth, but your just your life  experience has left you so stung by the Republican  

establishment. You've you don't you don't trust  anybody, it sounds like. Well, no. I mean,  

the these people attacked me when the rules were  different and um now they got better and now I'm  

good with them. I mean, I'm I'm willing to be  good with them, but I think that I don't know  

if Marjorie still has a problem with me or not.  I don't know. I don't know. Um, I do know though,  

and this is the last criticism I will level,  and it's maybe not even your fault. But I  

do know that, you know, the coordinated attacks  against totally reasonable questions about what's  

in America's interest and what's not. Those are  all coordinated by the Israeli government, it's  

all come to light now. And they're against me.  I've always thought I have the most world's most  

moderate position on Israel. Don't hate Israel.  Just don't want to get involved in their wars.  

Don't want to pay for this. Don't want to pay for  abortion on demand in a foreign country. Sorry.  

when we're cutting food stamps on our own. Like  this is outrageous. It's not America first. That's  

my view. Not embarrassed of it at all. I They  are totally determined to take me out, I think,  

because I'm reasonable. Who would disagree with  that and call me all these names, most dangerous  

anti-semite when I'm not even an anti-semite? And  they're not doing that to you because this is my  

view. Mhm. And this not necessarily your fault.  Mhm. But because they're like Fuentes discredits  

the reasonable people because he's always banging  on about the Jews, the Jews. And so he makes  

everyone else look like a Nazi. And so it's like  he's playing a pretty valuable role in the same  

way that Israel has always funded extremism  throughout the Middle East, including Hamas,  

because it discredits the reasonable people.  That's a fact. Yeah. I Well, I would just say  

I disagree. I mean, you know, cuz you say you said  the other day, uh, they like me. I don't know what  

you're talking about when you say that because  let me just kind of rebut that. By the way, I'm  

not saying you have anything to do with this. I'm  just saying I've noticed the phenomenon. Totally.  

And I I just reject that because they have been  messing with me for my entire adult life. I mean,  

the ADL the ADL got me banned on YouTube. Uh,  the SPLC posted my house on their website. This  

What do you mean posted your house? They posted  my a photo of my house on their website. How  

can they do that? I guess that's a free speech  thing. The SPLC posted a picture of your house  

on their website? Yes. When? In 2022, actually.  Yes, they wrote an article. They said Nick Fent  

has bought a building in this city and they said  we interviewed his neighbors and property records  

reveal this and that and on the front page the  picture for the article is my house where I live.  

That's crazy. And then someone showed up with  a gun and tried to kill you at that house. Yes.

So that's why I say, you know, you say, "Well,  they're not doing this to you." It's like the ZOA,  

the SPLC, the ADL, the Daily Wire. All these  groups have been on me for years. So that's news  

to me if they're really endorsing my activities.  It could just be my perception. But I guess what  

I'm saying is as someone who thinks his own views  are like completely reasonable, pass every smell  

test, you could x-ray my soul. I don't think  there's a lot of hate in there. And to the extent  

that they do make me feel hateful, the people who  attack me, I do like say prayers about it. don't  

we're not allowed to hate people is we forgive  those who trespass against us. That's like our  

core prayer. So I just feel like it's the I don't  know. Am I being paranoid? I feel like going on  

about the Jews like helps the neocons. Well, what  what about my views do you think are unreasonable  

if yours are reasonable? Um I think again I just  I don't think it's cucky. I think it's reality  

to say that guilt is not inherited. Blood guilt is  bad. One of the reasons that I'm mad about Gaza is  

because the Israeli position is everyone who lives  in Gaza is a terrorist because of how they were  

born, including the women and the children. That's  not a western view. That's an eastern view. That's  

a non-Christian. That's totally incompatible with  Christianity and Western civilization. They say,  

"Oh, we're the offenders of Western civilization."  Not with that attitude. You're not. Collective  

punishment is the enemy of Western civilization.  Yeah. And so I hate that attitude. It's genocidal.  

The current claims that I'm a cancer, you know,  from Ben Shapiro, whatever. We need to be exised  

from the body of conservatism is a genocidal  position that it basically encourages violence  

as they well know. The whole thing I hate. So  like anytime you say a whole group of people is  

responsible for the sins of some of its members,  like I'm out. Yeah. But that's not my view. It's  

not. Okay. So, what are So, tell me your views  like rather than You're one of those people. One  

of the reasons I wanted to meet you is you're one  of those people who is defined by clips. Yes. And  

I'm one of those people also. Right. So, I get  it. So, I'm going to just shut up and you tell  

me what you actually believe. Yeah. Well, and and  listen, I mean, and I appreciate you saying that  

because it's that's just the reality of the media  environment we're in. So if you I don't expect you  

to know all my views but I mean as far as the  Jews are concerned I think that like I said you  

cannot actually divorce Israel and the neocons  and all all those things that you talk about  

from Jewishness ethnicity religion identity  and let me give you like a perfect example.  

So you say on your show that we need to treat  Israel like any other country and I sort of  

understand that in principle because Israel is  another foreign country. Yeah. But Israel is  

unlike every other country in the sense that  because the Jewish people are in a diaspora  

all over the world. There are significant numbers  of Jews in Europe but also in the United States.  

And because of their unique heritage and story,  which is that they're a stateless people,  

they're unassimilable. They're resist assimilation  for thousands of years. And I think that's a good  

thing. Um, and now they have this territory in  Israel. There is a deep religious affection for  

the state. It's bound up in their identity. The  story of the Exodus from Egypt, the promise of the  

land, all these things. So let's say in the United  States for example somebody like a Sheldon Adlesen  

he's not Israeli is he an ideological neocon  does he believe in the promise of democratic  

globalism I don't think necessarily his heart is  in Israel and it's because he is a proud Jewish  

person and I guess what I'm saying is that if you  are a Jewish person in America you're sort of and  

again it's not because they're born but it's sort  of a rational self-interest politically to say  

I'm a minority. I'm a religious ethnic minority.  This is not really my home. My ancestral home is  

in Israel. There's like a natural affinity that  Jews have for Israel. And I would say on top  

of that for the international Jewish community.  They're extremely organized and many of them are  

critical of Israel or Israel's current government  or the project of Israel. But I guess what they  

have in common unlike let's say like um Singapore  for example is that they have this international  

community across borders extremely organized  uh that is putting the interests of themselves  

before the interests of their home country. And  there's like there's no other country that has a  

similar arrangement like that. No other country  has a strong identity like that. this religious  

blood and soil conviction, this history of being  in the diaspora, stateless, wandering, persecuted,  

um, and in particular the historic animosity  between the Jewish people and the Europeans.  

They hate the Romans because the Romans destroyed  the temple. That's why Eric Weinstein goes to the  

Arch of Titus and gives it the finger and takes  a picture. We don't think like that as Americans  

and white people. We don't think about the Roman  Empire in 2,000 years ago. They do. Um, and and  

so I I guess that's really and and I don't think  that's me saying the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.  

I don't think that's me being hateful. I don't  think that's me being collectivist. I think that's  

understanding that identity politics, whether you  love it or hate it, whatever you feel about it,  

it's a reality that we live in a world of Jews and  Christians, of whites and blacks, these identities  

mean something to us and they mean things to each  other. and we we can't sort of wish them away. And  

it feels like white people and Christians are the  only ones that do that. Well, there's no question  

about that, your last point, for sure. One of  the reasons they do that is because they've  

been taught to hate themselves, of course, since  the Second World War. Another reason is, however,  

the reality of a multiethnic country requires you  to sort of set aside community or group interests  

in favor of corporate interests. universal  interests, national interests and you have to  

do that or else it doesn't work and so I you know  I agree those attitudes I mean certainly in other  

parts of the world people think this way but you  can't have that here and so it's just important  

to remind everybody that yeah I you know things  may be generally true but like again they're not  

always true and there are people who just strongly  disagree and by the way in the specific case of  

Israel Well, there are a ton of Orthodox who  I know who are opposed to the state of Israel.  

They're just Jew they're more Jewish than Dave  Rubin a lot more and yet they oppose it. Jeff  

Saxs is like the most a wonderful man, the most  art Jewish, the most articulate kind of critic  

of the state of Israel that I'm aware of. So like  I don't know that's that's just meaningful. you  

you can't if it's if everything is inherited  then there's no hope for the continuation of  

America. Does that do you see that? Yeah. I don't  and I don't think it's genetically inherited and  

and what you're saying about putting aside the  tribal interest for the corporate interest that's  

absolutely the case and that's the only way the  country is going to stay together. Exactly. That's  

my concern and I absolutely agree with you. I  would say though that the main challenge to that,  

a big challenge to that is organized jewelry  in America. I don't think Bill Aman is capable  

of that. I don't think Shel Naden is capable  of that. I don't think Yor Mazonei is capable  

of that for that matter. And and many other, you  know, on the right and the left. And I see it I  

see Jewishness as the common denominator. And and  you're right, it's not not all Jewish people feel  

the same way. No one would say that, but that does  seem to be the common denominator. And I just feel  

like it needs to be called out explicitly.  And I like what you said. If the other day,  

if you're serving in another country's military  or have dual citizenship, you you really can't be  

a part of this project. Well, that's just that's  an easy one. But I am much more comfortable as a  

Christian and an American keeping it on that level  because, you know, it's easy to just set rules  

that universal rules that apply to everyone, not  just the Jews or the Christians or the anybody.  

Just like Americans can only serve in the US  military or they lose their passport. I mean,  

I don't know. That's not hard. And I don't know.  Why not? Why not just say that? Say what? That why  

not make every statement about how Americans ought  to behave applicable to all Americans? It's like  

it's the defense of universal values that will  hold the country together and the emphasis on  

procular group values that will break it apart  inevitably because it's a this is a particular  

issue and it's acute like I said I think they are  unique in that way. I think that's a unique issue  

especially in the Republican party especially  in the conservative scene. Um and you know this  

so how would you like this all to be resolved?  What I would like is for the US government to  

not be influenced by these kinds of foreign  allegiances. Not with money that comes from,  

you know, American citizens like Sheldon Aden,  not from foreign lobbyists. So, I mean, in terms  

of tangible things, I don't think we disagree  on any of it. Like registering Apac and FAR,  

banning dual citizenship, like I'm basically in  agree 80% of the public agrees with those. So,  

that's kind of what gets me a little bit annoyed.  It's like these are like America first the concept  

it's the most popular self-evidently true  idea you could have like don't let foreign  

powers especially tiny ones far away control your  country like of course not everyone agrees with  

that on both sides. Yeah. So the trick is not  to let that idea get subverted. Does that make  

sense? Yeah. And I'm I think we agree on that. But  it's subverted when they're like that's hate. No,  

that's hate. It's not hate. Yeah. Well, and you  know, here's what I will say. I think that there  

is increasingly a contingent because what you're  talking about exists when you say that there are  

people that legitimately detract from this with  there is legitimate racial hatred out there big  

time and it's growing and people on our side  are afraid to talk about it because they know,  

like you said, they're going to get called a cuck  or a squish or whatever. And I agree with you.  

The people that are detracting from that need to  be called out. And uh I think there should be no  

harbor for cruelty, hatred, prejudice, those  kinds of things. And some of them, I'm sorry  

to be a conspiracy nut. I really try not to be a  conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know,  

but after January 6th and just finding out the  number of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like,  

and I've just seen this, David Duke is a great  example. Some of these are the Charlottesville  

rally. Mhm. Yeah. had a bunch of feds there being  like, "We're white supremacists. We hate the  

blacks." You know, using the nword, whatever. You  know, it's like that's not real. Like, there is  

some of that going on, don't you think? I think  that um I think that there's a lot of sincere  

people. For sure. I completely agree. You know,  and they're just numb skulls and some of them are  

legitimately they see the opening that there's  legitimate critique of this and they see an  

opening to air out their grievances. Um they get a  license to they think it's okay. now. And uh and I  

do think it's important to differentiate and say  that fundamentally I guess the word that I would  

use I've been thinking about this a lot lately is  reassurance because I think there's a legitimate  

um there is a legitimate need to reassure people  and this is kind of what I've been doing on these  

podcasts that we don't want to harm anybody. We  don't want to kill anybody. We don't want to harm  

anybody. We just want to put America first.  And and I guess, you know, to the extent that  

I've been taken out of context over the years or  things like that, I'm trying to set the record  

straight and say, you know, and I appreciate  you've given me this opportunity. These are  

my real views. I'm not one of those haters, let's  say. Yeah. Well, I think people should be allowed  

to describe what they think. Mhm. I mean, that's  like a basic human autonomy question. Yeah. Like,  

if I want you think, I should just ask you and  let you talk. Mhm. Right. Yeah. So, what's going  

to who's going to be president? Who should be  president next? Who should be president? Well,  

yay. Of course, Kanye. You had dinner with Trump.  I did. And Kanye. Yes. What did you think of  

that? It was surreal. Um because those are my two  heroes. Those are my two like number one heroes of  

all time. I've always been a Kanye West fan. You  like the music first? Yes. The music, the fashion,  

everything. Really? Yes. Do you wear those weird  one piece shoes? I do. You actually do? Oh,  

yeah. Absolutely. Like in public? Yes. You don't  think that's cool? No, I do. I I don't know what  

I think. I'll get you some. I've worn the same  clothes since high school. Don't ask me about  

clothes. I'm not good at that at all. Um that's  hilarious. So, but you So, you've always been  

a fanuge fan. You described your love for Trump,  like since your Yes. childhood love for Trump. So,  

what was it like to find yourself at dinner with  them? It was I mean it was funny because it was  

literally Thanksgiving dinner. It was 3 days  before Thanksgiving. So, not only was it dinner,  

but it's I'm having Thanksgiving dinner with Yay  and Trump at the same table. And these are like  

my heroes. And um I mean the way that it went  was sort of interesting. Yay is sort of shy. He  

deeply admires Trump. He loves Trump. And I like  that about him because Yay really admires anybody  

that's an industrialist. He loves builders,  visionaries, architects. He's very into that. So,  

he has a deep regard for Trump. And so, at the  beginning, it was a little awkward cuz he wouldn't  

talk. And um he was sort of shy. Yay. Yes. Which  is surprising, right? Because he's so outspoken.  

But Trump was trying to get him to talk and he  was it was it was kind of like a boomer moment  

because Trump was trying to get him to talk about  like opportunity zones. He was giving him like the  

black voter pitch, you know, the black Republican.  Yeah. Um and I was like, dude, like he's not that  

kind of Republican to say the least, you know.  Fair. At this point, I think people know. So,  

what were you saying? Well, um so eventually,  you know, Trump didn't have a lot of luck with  

him. So, he's kind of fielding the table and he's  talking to me. And Trump does like other people to  

talk. Yes. Well, he likes to talk to. He for sure.  But he asks questions. Yeah, he does more than  

you would think. Well, he's a great he's a good  guy fundamentally. Yeah, he's very warm guy. So,  

he was asking everybody, you know, what's up and  who are you and we got to talking and, you know,  

I I guess it was going too well because I was  being very complimentary of Trump and Yay was kind  

of kicking me and saying like, you know, a couple  days prior we were talking about if Trump and Yay  

wind up on the debate stage, what is that going  to look like? And I was coaching Yay like these  

are his weak areas. Like this is where we got to  attack Trump. And so Yay was like, "Tell him what  

you were saying the other day. Tell him what you  were saying last night." And I was like, "Dude,  

that's our playbook. Like we don't want to blow  up our uh" And Trump was like, "Go ahead. Don't  

be bashful. Tell tell me what is it." And I said,  "You know what?" I said I said, "I think you're  

one of the greatest living Americans." I said, "I  I'm a young guy." I said, "I really have nothing  

to say other than thank you. I have nothing but  gratitude for what you've done for the country.  

I said, I it's really not my place, you know, to  to give you advice or correct you. And he said,  

no, no, don't be bashful. Tell me. And the story  that I brought up was this was really what sent  

me in the first Fox News debate in 2015 in the  Republican primary. Yes. Brett Bearer, the first  

question said, "Raise your hand if you will not  pledge to support the eventual nominee." Yes. and  

Trump raised his hand because that's what he was  saying. He said, uh, you know, if I don't win,  

I'll run independent and I'll make Republicans  lose. And so I brought that up and I told that  

story and I said, you know, I said, I feel like  what was inspiring in 16 is that you were willing  

to let the Republican establishment lose. like  you were serious about blowing them up such that  

you were not going to say like Pat Buchanan who I  respect but Sam Francis acknowledged that was one  

of his great mistakes was ultimately endorsing  Bush. I said you it showed you were serious.  

You were playing to win because you said I will  let this Republican party crash and burn. I want  

to run as the Republican but if I can't I'll run  independent. I said, ' And that's how I knew you  

were serious. And that's how I knew you were the  guy. I said, ' And I feel like lately, this is  

right after Ronald McDaniel became the head of the  RNC again. I was like, I feel like lately you're  

just behind all these people. I said, we're not  here for Kevin McCarthy. We're not here for Ronald  

McDaniel or Mitch McConnell. I said, we are here  for you. Like, we will die for you. We are loyal  

to you. I said, and when you did that, that showed  you could win. And we rallied. I said, so I I want  

to see more like that. I want to see you hit  Dantis, let's say, who was running against him.  

Um, and he was like, "Oh, okay." He goes, "Oh,  so you like that." It was right after he called  

him Danimmonious. I said, "That was awesome. You  should have kept hitting him." He's like, "Oh,  

you like that?" He goes, "This guy's hardcore. I  like this guy." He was saying about me. And so I  

was trying to just get like get his mojo back, you  know, and, you know, gas him up a little bit. And  

um, so that that's how it went between me and him.  And what was Yay saying at this point? Well, uh,  

he he was sort of he was beaming with pride cuz  Trump turns to him and says, "Who is this guy?  

This guy's great." And he was like, "Right." And  I was like, "This is just this is amazing." Do  

you call your parents from the parking lot?  Oh, yeah. You'll never believe. Yeah. Um,  

I try never to think like how will this be  perceived? It's better just to like be as  

honest as you can be all the time. And you know,  and honest people will respond, agree or disagree,  

but they'll they'll they'll feel your sincerity  and your honesty, but there are always people who  

are going to like distort it. And I recounted  the basically the Christian gospel at Charlie  

Kirk's memorial service and everyone's like,  "You're an anti-semite." I literally didn't  

have one thought about Jewish people. I had  nothing to do with that. It was whatever. So,  

and but I was thinking about this conversation,  which I'm sure I don't can't imagine what that in  

the ways that it'll be distorted, but I I do hope  that people who want to learn what's happening and  

who you are will watch the whole thing. It's  probably naive hope that it won't be reduced  

to whatever you're saying something naughty and  me laughing and see they're both Nazis. I mean,  

you know, that's going to happen, of course,  but I'm willing to take that risk because I  

just think it's important to know you're clearly  ascendant. You're enormously talented. you're more  

talented than I am for sure as a talker. So, and  they've, you know, there've been a lot of attempts  

to silence you and it hasn't worked. So, my  calculation always be as blunt as I can be. It's  

like I don't want to have Fuentes on. Everyone's  going to be like, "You but you're a Nazi just like  

Fuentes." Okay. But then I'm like, I don't think  Fuentes is going away. Ben Shapiro tried to like  

strangle him in the crib in college and now he's  bigger than ever. So, it probably would just be  

worth hearing what Nick Fuentes thinks. I just  want to be transparent about my my motives here.  

Yeah. So, um those are my motives. Let me ask you,  I referred earlier to the assassination attempt  

against you and it's very fashionable, you know,  among like the permanent victim class like every,  

you know, BLM leader was, "Oh, they're trying  to kill me or Seth whatever from the Babylon  

B people are trying to kill me." And people use  threats against them, which are like daily for a  

lot of us, um, as a way to kind of make themselves  unassalable or immune from criticism. Or to attack  

their enemies. Your words inspired violence. What  is stochastic terror? I can't even pronounce it.  

You know, it's like some academic term, whatever.  But you had a real assassination attempt, like an  

actual one. Can which got no publicity that I  recall. What happened? Yeah. Well, you know,  

it was it was after the election last year. Um,  I put out this tweet and I said, uh, "Your body,  

my choice on election night." And, uh, you know,  I wasn't, look, I'm not going to apologize for it,  

but I thought it was like a weak. It's like a  lame joke. It's kind of like the most obvious  

phrase. A college joke. Yeah. Kind of funny. Yeah.  So, I wasn't I had other good jokes that night,  

but that was like the one that caught on cuz  um I just think it captured the imagination of  

liberals who were like it's over for us, you know,  which it kind of is, you know, but in some ways,  

but so I I put that out there. I didn't even  vote for Trump. Um but I put that tweet out for  

I didn't vote at all. I just recused myself.  Um but that that's just what makes it ironic  

because I became in some ways emblematic of the  election even though I didn't participate. But  

so it got 100 million impressions on Twitter and  and people were saying on the news that kids were  

saying it in school. It was on like the news that  in middle schools and high schools the boys were  

saying that to the girls, your body, my choice. So  it became this thing where it's like he's creating  

this toxic environment for women. So the internet  lost its mind and people then started posting my  

address online because they were so unhappy with  the tweet. And so on Tik Tok and on Twitter, a  

screenshot of my address, my phone number, all my  personal information, it went viral. And and when  

I say viral, I mean there were multiple tweets  that got 20 million views with my whole readout,  

all my information. Like your actual address,  where you spend the night. Yes. where I where  

I live, where I do my show, all of it. Damn. Did  you know that? Yeah. I started to see it. So, the  

election Tuesday, obviously, it was like Thursday  that my address starts blowing up. I was going to  

do a show Friday and someone shows up to my house.  Some some weird looking guy shows up to my house  

and just walks through the yard, walks through the  gang way into the backyard and is just circling my  

house and then goes away. So, we called the cops,  me and my producer, and we said, "Uh, maybe we  

shouldn't do a show tonight." And that weekend,  we hired private security just for the weekend.  

Like 200 people. You didn't have security? No.  No, I don't have security. Well, I didn't then  

of any kind of I didn't have cameras or anything  even. I had nothing. Okay. I was raw dogging it.  

Yeah. Which is what was was not smart, maybe. But  never had a problem like that. I've always lived  

that way, too. Yeah. But so that weekend we hired  a security guard just to park his car outside the  

house and monitor things. Literally 200 people  came to your house. Yes. Not all at once but one  

after the other driving by yelling, walking by  throwing eggs. Multiple people threw eggs at my  

house. Ordering pizzas, ordering Door Dash, what  you know, whatever. Walking through the gang way.  

It was like a war zone. like the security guard  was yelling at people all night and it went on all  

weekend and then it went on throughout the next  week and the next weekend. Um, and it was bad.  

I I got out of my house. I went to a hotel for a  week while this was happening. Waited for it to  

blow over. Did you do your show from the hotel?  No, I took a week off. Wow. Did you announce any  

of this in public? No, I had to keep it very Why?  I didn't want to track more of it. Yeah. You know,  

cuz if you say, "Oh, they're here." Then people  go, "Oh, no. we got to keep up the pressure,  

you know, or turn it up. And people at that  time were talking about burning my house down.  

Like on TikTok, there were viral videos of people  saying, "We're going to burn his house down." Uh,  

and then they dox my parents address. People show  up to my parents house. It got really bad and  

eventually it just blew over about a month passed  and at that time, so it was like mid December,  

mid late December. It's actually funny. It was  December 18th. I remember cuz that's an important  

date to me and it's Joseph Stalin's birthday.  Oh, I'm a fan. You're a fan of Stalin? Mhm. Oh,  

he's an admirer. But yeah, we don't need to go  into that. I guess like Well, let's uh Okay,  

let's get back. We'll circle back to that. It  was weird because the reason I mentioned that,  

it was almost like cuz I woke up that day and I  was like, "Oh, it's December 18th." And I I was  

just like very acutely aware of like today's like  a strange day. This is the day that the attempt  

happened. And so nothing had been happening for  weeks at this point. So elections like what,  

November 3rd. Month and a half has passed.  Nobody's coming to my house anymore rarely. And  

I'm doing my show like normal. And I'm reaching  the end of the show and I see out of the corner  

of my eye, I get an alert from my Ring doorbell  camera that somebody's at the front door. And  

so I'm reading through my super chats. I'm going  through live chat messages. Yeah. I'm live and um  

you know I'm working through the messages and I'm  I'm keeping an eye on it and I see that this guy  

has a loaded gun. The guy's trying to laugh. Yeah.  Well, so you're live live and you see that there's  

a guy with a gun outside your door. Yes. He's got  a motorcycle helmet and a backpack. He's got a gun  

drawn and he's knocking on the door yelling. And  I the thing is I didn't want to tip him off that  

I knew he was there because I thought I don't  want him to get the drop on me or something,  

you know. I just didn't want to give him any  information about, you know, cuz I don't know  

if he's listening to my show, if I start freaking  out or cancel the show. I don't know, maybe he he  

knows more about my movements inside. So I I keep  the show going for like a minute and I wrap it up  

very quickly. I finish the show. My producer comes  running in and I say, "Who is that? What's going  

on?" And he goes, "Oh, I called the cops. They're  here. The guy's gone." I said, "Okay, good." Um,  

so I start getting changed out of my suit and I  hear gunshots go off outside. Damn. Yeah. And I  

literally like jump to the ground cuz I'm  like, I don't know what's happening here.  

And I step outside for a minute after the the dust  kind of settles and the c there's like 10 cop cars  

all up and down the street and they have the whole  block locked down. Police tape everywhere. There's  

like a dozen cops. Like I said, the whole block  is shut down. The alley is shut down and they go,  

"Get back inside. Get back inside." We have  no idea what's going on. We have no idea what  

happened. And they wouldn't let me or my producer  leave until the morning. That's how late they were  

there. And finally at the end of the at the end  of the night after all the cops left, I came out  

in the very early morning. Did no one come and  explain any of this to you? No. No. Nobody said  

anything. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And finally, I  go out in the morning and I asked the guy, "Okay,  

what happened?" He told me the story. And so, it  turns out that uh it's it's this young guy. He's  

23 years old, white nerd, short guy. He was at U  of I University of Illinois in Orurbana Champagne,  

about two hours south of where I live. He killed  three people earlier in the day. He went to his  

roommate's house, college roommate's house, killed  his roommate, killed the sister, the guy's mother,  

got in his car, and drove directly to my house,  parked outside my house, got out a .22 pistol  

and an automatic crossbow. weird choice. And he  knocked on the door, which is where I saw him. He  

went around the house. He tried he tried the back  door, tried the front door, and the cops pulled  

up. He took off running through the gang way,  hopped the fence, ran into the neighbor's house.  

I guess he went into the neighbor's basement  cuz the door was unlocked. He was hiding from  

the police. He shot two of their dogs, which is  devastating. He runs back outside and the cops see  

him. He shoots at the cops. The cops shot him in  the face and he dies on the spot. Who what was his  

motive? They never told me. To this day, I have no  idea. There's no They never told you? No. So, what  

contact did you have with the police after this?  They came by about a week later. Illinois State  

Police came to retrieve the uh ring camera footage  of the whole incident. And so they had me download  

download that onto a thumb drive and that's it.  I never heard from the cops. Never heard from  

the government. Not at all. No, nothing. A guy  comes to murder you. He's murdered three other  

people and two dogs. He gets shot to death and no  one bothers to tell you anything. Nope. Nothing.  

Is it really a country at this point? I mean,  it's ridiculous. And so what was his motive?  

Do you have any idea? I have no idea. I so the  story that I read online um cuz the obviously  

the news followed up on this and they said that so  he was like 5'5 uh he got I guess he was involved  

with drugs actually with his roommate. They sold  drugs together something like that. Uh they had  

a falling out over the drug money or something  like that. The roommate beat the [ __ ] out of  

him so bad he dropped out of school. He had this  major falling out with the roommate but they were  

close. had a big falling out. The shooter took him  to small claims court over some money. Uh, and I  

guess this guy was just in a downward spiral.  He lost his job. He got in a hit-and- run crash  

and ran from the police. Then he was swearing at  the cops when they showed up to arrest him. And  

I guess his life just kept getting worse and worse  and worse. I assume he took it out on the roommate  

and uh, dropped off, killed the whole family.  It's horrifying. But how do you fit into that? So,  

this is just my opinion, speculation. This is like  a month after Luigi Manion. He had on a and the  

shooter at my house had on a motorcycle helmet and  like a costume. And so, I think he was maybe like  

a copycat of Luigi Manion. He thought he was going  to be like a hero and assassinate some reviled  

political figure who was going viral at that time,  being hated for that tweet. So I think that might  

have been the motive, but that's pure speculation.  I have no idea. I mean, it's a well doumented  

fact that all kinds of bad actors use unstable  people for political assassinations, right? It's  

happened. We know it's happened. So, um, do you  think this might be an example of that? I don't  

think so, but it's certainly possible. The reason  I say I don't think so. It's kind of funny. You're  

I mean I think of you as conspiracy- minded, but  you don't have a conspiracy in mind here. No,  

because I I really believe that when you look  at all these things, and by these things, I mean  

these like really disturbing instances of violence  like Luigi Manion or Charlie Kirk or these school  

shootings, there is something going on with these  kids. It's nihilism. It's these people that are  

maybe mentally defective, extremely online. I  think there's like a real problem there. And  

um and I don't doubt that sometimes these people  are involved with maybe a foreign government  

or they're being groomed or put up to it by an  operative. But I think to assume that it's always  

that ignores that like there's a very real problem  of nihilistic surrealist violence that comes from  

young people. And you know like this guy killed  it's a triple homicide out of nowhere and then he  

tries to kill me. I think he just went crazy, but  I could be wrong. Describe the circumstances that  

have led to this violence. Like what how does  a normal kid, young man go from being a normal  

young man to being a murderer? I think that it has  a lot to do if you read through all these stories,  

they always have a few things in common, which is  that, and people have pointed this out, this is  

not new. SSRIs are always a big one, of course.  But what that points to is a depressive streak.  

It's always somebody that is a loner, socially  dislocated or socially dysfunctional. You know,  

they don't have many real life friends, engage  in real life activities, slip through the cracks.  

That's always how it starts. Then they get into  either they're medicated by a therapist with SSRIs  

or they self-medicate, which is extremely common  with alcohol, weed, which is extremely potent now,  

and you could get THC from like a vape pen. So,  it's very powerful, very accessible. Uh, you know,  

when I was in high school, my stoner friends  would have to like go on a walk to the park  

and roll a joint. Now, with the vape, you can  hit that anywhere. I guess it's very discreet.  

They also do psychedelics. I think that's a huge  part of it. And how how is that a huge part of  

it? I think that a lot of them get turned on.  They'll do alcohol, marijuana, and then I think  

they get into psychedelics like LSD or MDMA. And  I think um those things induce psychosis. these  

psychoactive drugs, whether it's marijuana by  itself or it's LSD, I think they tend to induce  

psychosis and exacerbate those like existing  problems. And basically what happens I I would  

say that that is maybe the next step. And then the  other ingredient that's always there is although  

they don't have a social life in the real world,  they have a social life on the internet. Yes.  

And so they're deeply involved in obscure internet  forums, Discord, gaming communities. Increasingly,  

chat GPT is inducing psychosis. People talk to  chat GPT all day, all night. And you you basically  

have between the three of these things, they kind  of go into like a different world between the  

psychoactive substances, the makebelieve reality  of the internet, totally disconnected from the  

real world. I I think they enter into like this  delusional state. And I think that's where that  

shooter in Minneapolis, I think that's what that  was. I think if Tyler Robinson is found guilty,  

there's been some interesting screenshots about  him and his transgender boyfriend, it's the same  

story there. If that's true, and I would imagine  it was not dissimilar with the guy that showed up  

and tried to kill me. I think those are always the  ingredients that produce that kind of violence.  

It's interesting your uh audience as I imagine  it. I I've never seen any of your numbers. I don't  

even know how big your audience is. It seems big  to me, but I think of them as young men. Mhm. Is  

that's that's the bulk of your audience, right?  Yes. Um and yet here you are criticizing weed  

and video games and the internet and you work  on the internet. You are a creation. I mean,  

you wouldn't exist without the internet. Of  course, you didn't get a job at NBC News. So  

what what kind of reaction do you get when you say  when you criticize weed gaming and the internet  

to young men? A lot of them agree with it because  they get it. It's their life. A lot of them that's  

their life. Their life is and another thing we  didn't even bring up is the porn thing which  

is there also. This is their life. Weed, gaming,  porn. And I think they know it's bad. I think they  

know there's like some sense of guilt. And so it's  interesting. I would say it's maybe an 8020 split  

where 20% say, "Oh, you're against weed? Not cool,  man. It's just a plant. What?" You know, they're  

very defensive about it about these addictions.  And I think 80% say, "I know I have a problem.  

Like I I have a guilty conscience. I know it's  bad. I know it's terrible." Why are you against  

weed? Because um I think that it's uh compromises  the integrity of your mental faculties. I think  

there's something deeply wrong with that when you  um I'm against alcohol, too. I think it's wrong to  

to numb pain. I think pain is a part of life. I  think uh sobriety is like should be experienced.  

And I think that weed is even worse because I  think that one, it's very dangerous. There's  

a lot of numbers now out of like California and  Washington that people are going to the hospital  

for psychosis. People are going crazy because  of it. It's also more subtle and therefore more  

insidious. It's like you can't, you know, I Well,  I've done it. If you have a, you know, 12-pack for  

breakfast, like everyone knows, but if you take a  hit off the dab pen, like nobody knows. Mhm. So,  

you can use it all the time. Yeah. And it makes  you uh a loser. It makes you lazy. You know,  

people that are people that are addicted to weed  are not motivated, don't care about anything other  

than weed. You know, there's sort of like an  irony there where I used to hang out with a lot  

of stoners in high school. I never smoked weed,  but all my friends did. And they were so chill  

and relaxed and didn't care about anything. But if  you criticized weed, they would freak out and get  

extremely defensive. Yes, I've noticed. Right. If  you insinuate that it's addictive, if you say it's  

a problem, they get very like junky behavior. And  uh so I've always hated. I think it's disgusting.  

What is porn exactly? Like describe how available  is porn? What is it? I know what porn is,  

but like you said it's a huge factor in the  lives of young men and a bad factor. Why? Well,  

this is another thing where it's it's reality  distortion. That that's kind of the theme. Just  

like psychedelics distort reality, just like a  kind of internet society is uh a form of delusion,  

so is porn in the sense that, you know, a lot of  people maybe don't realize, and we talked about  

this a little bit, people are getting turned on  to porn when they're like 10 years old. And it's  

when you are going through puberty, when you're  developing your sexual faculties, how could you  

stay away from that? Every kid has a phone. Every  kid has an iPad. And every iPad and phone is, if  

you, you know, if you know what it is, loaded up  with porn. And it's infinite. And it's ubiquitous.  

And it's, you can get every kind of it you want,  whenever you want. It's in your pocket. And so,  

something that is almost never talked about is  that this is a generation that's totally sexually  

dysfunctional, I think, because of pornography.  And some people are able to cope with it.  

Some people don't have a problem, but I think  a lot of people and maybe even a small minority  

have a serious problem with it. And the problem  people sexually dysfunctional, I think that it's  

impossible for a real woman to compete with the  availability and the novelty of pornography.  

a real woman. Uh, you know, like without  getting graphic is she's only one person and  

you know she's maybe she wants to do something  sexual, maybe she doesn't. Porn is you could  

have a hundred different women in one sitting  doing anything that whatever whatever niche or  

idiosyncratic thing a person might be into, it's  there. And so I think that novelty combined with  

that availability, it makes it so that you know  when you think about courting a woman, juice isn't  

worth the squeeze. And so there there's like also  a problem of like erectile dysfunction. People  

that that can't enjoy regular sex because it it  does not compare to the intensity, the novelty,  

and the availability of porn. It it's hyper  stimulation. And so I think that's sabotaging  

a lot of normal sexual relationships. It seems  like it's making a lot of people gay, too. Yeah.  

And trans. You think that's true? 100%. What is  that? I think that uh the novelty is a huge part  

of that. I think that if you are somebody that  uses pornography multiple times per day, which  

many people do, actually. Oh, absolutely. That's  a lot of jerking off. It's a huge problem. Yeah.  

And you know, if you're doing that multiple times  a day, every day for years since you're a kid,  

well, eventually you you get bored and you want  to move on to something more extreme and you  

you're kind of it's operates, I think, similar to  like a drug. You you kind of have the same kind  

of resistance to it um that you would to a drug  or a tolerance for it and you're always chasing  

that initial feeling the first time you used  it or the first time you saw a certain thing.  

And I think eventually you just chase more taboo,  more transgressive. And I think maybe some people  

are more prone to that than other people going in  his really direction. How Charlie Sheen got AIDS  

actually. Yeah. Yeah. Through just being jaded and  looking for something more transgressive. That's  

just a fact. And there's something too about what  it does when you look at it. when you cuz people  

don't realize that it is a fundamentally different  experience being involved in intercourse versus  

watching other people have intercourse and I think  that actually does something to you. Tell me what  

do you mean? I think that you know for example  uh I think Steve Sailor has written about this  

that there's multiple kinds of transsexuals and  he says that one kind of transsexual is somebody  

that likes the idea of seeing themselves as a  woman. It's autogophilia. Yes. And I think that,  

you know, one of the theories for that is you you  watch a man having sex with a woman that isn't  

you so much you kind of achieve an identity with  the woman in like a weird sick way. You almost  

identify with the woman. And so there's weird  things that happen when you're Yes. watching  

that and having such strong emotional and sexual  experiences with it. That's fascinating. I have  

always been I've sensed for a long time having  had a lot of young male employees mention porn as  

a problem. I mean the big porn companies give  visibility to foreign intel services on the  

back end. So that means people know what you're  looking at. There's likely video and audio of you  

watching. So that you know that's like so so such  a deal killer for me. Um, I'm not a huge expert  

on the topic, but I have always sensed this was  a huge deal, but I've always been too embarrassed  

to like do a show on it. Mhm. But it sounds like  you're describing something that's everywhere that  

affects everybody and that is Do you think it's  related to the, you know, the huge decline in like  

actual sex and relationships and marriage, screwed  up dating? All of this derives in part from porn,  

do you think? I think it's a huge part of it.  It's a huge factor. And it it's even on the  

other side too. It's become so dstigmatized for  women to actually participate in porn. Only people  

don't even recognize that only fans is a whole  separate category. It's a new, it's an innovation  

in the realm of pornography because you have what  everyone considers what everyone knows as porn,  

which is like videos of porn stars, like  dedicated career sex workers having sex  

uh in a relatively controlled environment or  something like that. But then you get Only Fans,  

which is like Patreon for nudes or sex. And  basically there's now a a very large subculture,  

much larger than people want to admit, of women  who the moment they turn 18, that is what they do  

is they make an Only Fans account and they become  an amateur porn star. And it is completely casual,  

you know, because you you could say that maybe 10  years ago, even at the heyday of internet porn,  

to be in porn, you got to be a porn star. Like  that's your life and that's your career and that's  

who you are. and is very shameful. With only fans,  it's like um it's like having a Tik Tok. It's like  

here's my link tree, here's my Instagram account,  here's my Facebook account, here's my YouTube,  

and here's my Only Fans. Why would any of this  be legal? I think that um well, there's like you  

indicated, maybe there's an intelligence benefit  to that. Yeah, maybe there's a political benefit  

to that. I think that well why wouldn't you  arrest the people who run something like that?  

They should be if you had a Christian government  or how about just a government that cares about  

its people? I mean is Iran a bigger threat or is  only fans? I don't Iran's not turning my daughters  

to prostitution that I'm aware of. Right. Right. I  mean that seems like one of the worst things that  

could happen to any society. Oh absolutely.  So how big is the support for that? Like if  

a candidate were to come out and say we ought  to arrest the guys who own MineGeek, which is  

the biggest I think it's the biggest porn supplier  in the world, or the guys who run Only Fans. What  

would the reaction be among I don't know people  under 50? I think there would be broad support for  

that. Really? I do actually. Yes. I hope someone  will say that and I hope someone arrests them like  

right away. Yeah, that was actually seizes  their assets and puts them in prison. Well,  

seizes their their their bodies and puts them in  jail. Yeah. I mean the owners of that people who  

are I mean talk about human trafficking. Yeah. Oh  yeah. I thought we were against human trafficking.  

Yeah. So you but you think that young people cuz  you always think of young people as so liberal but  

like no they wouldn't think that was crazy. No. I  I think especially among young men they know it's  

a problem. It's ruining their lives and they know  it. So what are the other factors that prevent I'm  

sorry I called you gay by the way but I'm always  sh I think I'm just too old or something. I'm like  

why why is anyone married? You tell me. Why isn't  Why aren't people married? Well, I mean, honestly,  

it's the women. The women are extremely liberal.  No one talks about that. They're increasingly they  

do, especially after the last election. There's  a 45 point difference between men and women. The  

men are extremely conservative. Increasingly,  the women are extremely liberal. What are they  

liberal? On what issues? Like what does that  mean, liberal? Oh, on on they're very feminist.  

Like actually extremely feminist. Yes. They don't  believe that, do they? I think they do. Really?  

Absolutely. Yes. How do you believe that? I  think that gender roles are a construct that  

none of this is inbornne. Like you'd have to be  an idiot to think that. They like the idea of it.  

They they like the because of course I think all  women naturally want strong men. Of obviously they  

naturally want a Chad, you know? They want like a  tall buff guy. Um, but they I think they like the  

idea of none of them want to work either. None  of them actually work. That's what I'm saying.  

Of course, that's of course it's obviously  true. It's always been work outside the home,  

right? They don't have enough work at home. You  know, there's a lot to do. But no, I completely  

agree. So that's why I question like they're  feminists in what sense? Yes. And you know, they  

like these vague appeals to equality. We we want a  chance to work and we want respect. And you know,  

ultimately, I think the whole political system is  just based around women never being accountable  

for any of their choices. Ultimately, that  seems to be what that's what abortion is. Yeah,  

of course. Cuz 99% of abortions are elective. So,  they say it's an unplanned pregnancy. You had sex  

out of wedlock with someone you didn't intend to  have kids with. So, now we have to kill the kids  

in the womb. And you know, these no fault divorce  laws. These women get married to guys. maybe they  

never intend to stay with. And then when they're  out, they're done. And they want child support  

and they want half the stuff. And I think a lot of  men are looking at women and they're they're very  

liberal. They're overweight. They have a a very  high estimation of themselves. I think that people  

call it hoflation. Yes. They're their sense of  their own looks and sexual value is very inflated.  

Um, and so a lot of people are looking at these  like frumpy, obnoxious, loudmouth, liberal women  

who are who are also very promiscuous and saying  this is not actually appealing at all. And I don't  

I don't want to start a family with a person.  Yeah, it is. But if you believe in the patriarchy,  

as I fervently do, cuz it's just reality, you  know, we didn't choose the system. We were born  

into a system that is part of nature. Can't get  out of it. So if you believe that that's true,  

which it is, then you think that men should lead  and if it's going to be better, men should make  

it better because that's their job, right? So  you don't want to give them a pass, do you?  

And be like, it's all the the girls suck. So I I  don't even blame it on the women because I think  

that it's it's the incentive structures. You know,  women are allowed to do this by the legal system,  

by kind of social norms. Technology is a big part  of it. the attention that is available to women.  

Women go on Instagram and they get attention from  thousands of men. Um, so it's the incentives, but  

I would say that because I hear this all the time.  People say, "Well, the men need to step up and be  

better and lead the women." Easier said than done.  I agree. I agree with that. They're at war with  

the system and and not even just the system, but  also society. Because let's say you find a one  

of these so-called good girls who's Christian and  traditional, but through osmosis, wherever you go,  

she's going to be in society. She's going to be  on TikTok. She's going to be on Instagram. She's  

going to be talking to other women. And maybe  she's one way you when you meet and get married,  

but 10 years down the road, 15 years, 20 years  down the road, people change. And I think that  

women as kind of the ultimate conformists, the  ultimate enforcers of like social norms. I think  

eventually the pressure from society kind of  gets to them and a lot of them will go into  

depends what kind of husbands they have. I mean,  if there's real leadership at home, I don't know  

a single happily married woman who's liberal. Not  one. I know a lot of married women. I mean, I'm  

56. All the women I know are married. And every  happily married woman is non-liberal. I can't even  

imagine. There's there's no category for happily  married middle-aged liberal woman. There isn't  

never been one, right? So, like maybe the job is  to, you know, make a girl happy and like all this  

nonsense ends. Yeah. I don't know. I think that  that that could be a bottomless pit too because  

the one critique I have of the men is and you're  right about this. They enable this behavior. Well,  

that's for sure. It's epidemic of simps who  especially with Christians. I've noticed this.  

This is why Andrew Tate has so much appeal and the  Christians are kind of losing this conversation.  

Andrew Tate's a Muslim polygamist who is very  chauvinistic and and you could even argue as  

someone who has ran an only fan site himself like  is not an observer let's say of Christian sexual  

morality. No. But men are going with him because  he's putting women in their place. He's talking  

about patriarchy and women's place in a society  like that. Whereas Christian men, Catholics,  

Protestants alike are both kind of tone policing  the men and they they worship their wives. They  

worship the women, put them on a pedestal, and  they um you know, they they kind of get bossed  

around. They get henpecked by the women. I think  we're required to love our wives. Like that's I  

mean, all over the New Testament, husbands, love  your wives. Wives respect your husbands. That  

seems like a very natural balance to me. Yeah.  And and I think that you have to love your wife as  

your wife. Yeah. A lot of men as opposed to what?  Your mom. Well, no. Like like your buddy? No. Cuz  

I hear this all the time and I I hate this.  Guys will say, "I I married my best friend."  

And I think, you know, she's your wife. She's not  your best friend. Because there's a difference.  

What is the difference? I think that when you talk  about your best friend, you're a peer. You're an  

equal. And I think your best friendships are with  other men. And I think that your wife ultimately  

is subordinate to you. She's your helpmate. And  ultimately as the man in the marriage and the  

as the father, you have authority, the final say  over the household, and she can give advice. It's  

not to say, "I'm not an a freak where you say,  "Shut up, woman." I mean, of course, you discuss  

things with your wife and your wife gives input,  but the authority rests with the man. Of course.  

Of course. But there's God set up this kind of  amazing system where men are physically stronger.  

Mhm. So, like, of course, you could make your wife  do whatever you wanted. You're bigger than she is,  

right? But he also instilled in men this desire  to please your wife. Like, that's a very natural  

thing. You want your wife to be happy. And  the whole happy wife, happy life thing is  

is completely real. It's like you can't get away  from it. It's not like all of these things. It's  

not a choice. It's the biological reality that  you live with that you were born with. Like you  

want your wife to be happy and if she's unhappy,  you're unhappy to a much greater extent than vice  

versa. Right. Yeah. I think men care about their  wives being happy much more than wives care about  

their husbands being happy. I have noticed and  that's compensation for their lack of physical  

power. That's my view of it. And that's why it is  this kind of perfect balance. But somebody needs  

to be the final decision maker. I completely  agree. And when you when you give up that when  

you abregate that, there's no respect, there's  unhappiness, and there's infidelity. Right. Well,  

that's the ingredient that's missing. I the way  I would put it very succinctly is men right now  

are the responsible party but have no authority.  And that doesn't work. No, it doesn't. You know,  

if you are held, if the buck stops with you and  you're to blame and you're the responsible one,  

then you also need to be able to have the final  say and call the shots. And one without the  

other doesn't work. And I think that I think  that's really smart and and absolutely right.  

I do think I just noticed this that men who  stay unmarried for too long become like kind  

of fragile. There's something about the give  and take. There's something about living with,  

in fact, I think it's the key to life, someone you  don't fully understand, that broadens you, that  

keeps you always thinking, that makes you wiser,  more patient, more thoughtful, more self-aware,  

uh, and more flexible. And those are all good  qualities. And, and the and the absence of that,  

like in homosexuality or like men who are single  too long, they get very rigid. Have you ever  

noticed this? Like I like things the way I like  them and they just get like, "No." Oh, yeah. Yeah.  

I certainly get what you mean by that. Yeah. You  don't want that. Yeah. I would say that when when  

you say you don't fully understand women, to me,  I feel like women are very simple in terms of Have  

you ever lived with one? No, I haven't lived with  them. But I mean, and don't get me wrong, maybe  

it's difficult, but I feel like they're pretty  simple. We're all pretty simple. I mean that,  

you know, no one's more simple than I am, but  yeah, we're all pretty simple, but what I mean  

is like on a day-to-day level of experience, like  you don't always understand what they're saying,  

what the because it's never about what they say  it's about, right? And men are just tend to be  

kind of doglike in their straightforwardness, you  know? I'm hungry, I'm horny, whatever it is. I I  

disagree. I feel like men are complicated.  I feel like women are like, I'm hungry,  

I'm horny. I feel like men are very complicated.  Really? How? Because men have different men are  

masters of the universe. Women are the universe.  You know, this is what Spendler says about them.  

And so I think that men have like a deep  connection to things like math and space and  

they want to conquer the world, you know, things  like this. And and women I feel like are actually  

very primal and instinctual. They want security.  Yes. Yes. You know, they're of the terrestrial  

never embarrassed by bodily functions. Men are so  squeamish. Yes, women are not at all. They give  

birth. No, that is absolutely true. But I mean,  in the way that women present their concerns,  

there's almost always something that's not being  fully expressed. Like, I got mad at you last night  

cuz I was pissed about something last year. That's  not a male thing to do. You can't remember what  

happened last year. Right. Right. Right. Right.  And so, but anyway, but whatever the point. Men  

and women talk past each other constantly. They  don't always know what the other one is saying.  

And that frustration actually gives way to like  great beauty over time. I would say I don't know.  

I I I personally find women very frustrating when  they are not expressing and I just view that as  

any of it. I see the way I look at it is like  when you look at your favorite TV shows, right,  

The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, it's like the wife is  the villain because it's like the main character,  

if the wife could just get out of the way,  would be running the show. And that's kind  

of how I feel like Rand, I agree with her about  this. She said that the wife's role is like hero  

worship. The guy is the hero. The guy is supposed  to be the entrepreneur, the conqueror, whatever.  

And the woman is really supposed to support the  man's goals and be in his world. And I've Man,  

that's the last thing successful men need  is more power worship, more hero worship,  

more you're so great. You get that at work. You  don't want that at home. You become an unbearable  

[ __ ] And then you fall prey to what destroys  every successful man, which is hubris. Like you  

mistake yourself for God. You need someone  who's not interested in what you do at all,  

only interested in you. And that's how you become  balanced and wise. M that's how you know your own  

limits because the ass kissing is what kills you.  It's not I mean you had someone come to murder you  

at home. It you've been it doesn't seem to have  affected you that much. And if I were married,  

dude, she would never let me hear the end of it.  Well, that's probably true. But but that's not  

that's not what destroys men. It's not adversity  that destroys men. It's comfort and flattery that  

destroys men. Right? That's what happened at King  David. It's what happens to them all. They're so  

great. You can never go wrong. I just feel like  we do we have um I don't feel like we have an  

abundance of affection from women. Yeah. You know  what I mean? Like in terms of where the pendulum  

is at, I feel like the women are very unloving  to the men. That's why like they don't cook cuz  

that's like the best way to express a love for a  man. I said this on my show the other night. I'm  

like the most beautiful words a woman could say is  like I made you dinner. I made you cookies. Yeah.  

cuz that that is like an act of love. And I think  that you know speaking as maybe from a different  

generation the way that men feel now is like you  know women are not really providing too much. They  

expect so much from the men. They want to they  want the man to be rich and provide. They want the  

man to be fit and a real leader and a real man.  They also want to split the chores with the man.  

They want the man to do half the laundry and half  the dishes and things like that. And it's like,  

so what do you do all day? You're on TikTok.  You're like doom scrolling and eating Cheetos.  

Like what what actually are you providing in the  relationship? So I just feel like in terms of the  

deficit, it's like women are very emboldened.  They're they're too I think assertive, always  

giving their opinions, always critiquing, always,  you know, I I think that they're very bold right  

now. And I think and sarcastic. I think that's a  big reason why they're not very attractive. I get  

it. I All I would say is that in a happy marriage,  all of that goes away. There's no arguing about  

who does what. People fall seamlessly into the  roles they were born into. They acknowledge those  

are not insecure about it at all. They express  love in a whole bunch of different ways by serving  

each other. It's like super easy and and all of  that obnoxious entitled. You don't make enough  

money. All that crap just disappears. Mhm. Anyway,  that's been my experience. So, last question.  

Where is all of this going in this country?  Like, where are we in 5 years? Not anywhere  

good. I'm I'm really concerned and I'm not one  of these um doomsday sers. You know, there's a  

lot of people there forever, but you know, the  sky's falling every day, but I really feel like  

um the things that concern me the most, it's the  assassination of Charlie Kirk. seemed like we  

crossed a Rubicon there. I agree with that because  he's just a conservative guy, relatively moderate,  

expressing his opinions. He's not the president.  He's not a politician. And and it wasn't just that  

he got shot. It was what happened afterward, which  is that a 100,000 liberals went on TikTok and  

celebrated. And that shows that there how can you  integrate or or harmonize with people that hate  

you that much? they see some, you know, and and  I understand that liberals thought he was a jerk,  

like maybe he was a little rude or something like  that. And he really wasn't. I mean, he was pretty  

patient, as patient as they got. I just tried to  fill in for him last week and immediately snapped  

at some kid and threatened to beat him up and went  crazy. And and I had said a prayer for patience,  

by the way, and I still couldn't handle it. So,  no, Charlie Kirk was a remarkably even killed,  

patient, decent man. Yes. And Yeah. So whatever  their perception of him was to see him get his  

his face blown up in front of everybody like that  and your first the first reaction of someone in  

the crowd who was present some guy with a beard  jumps up and celebrates. Did you see this? No.  

Some liberal kid in the audience jumps up and  says, "All right." I literally can't handle it.  

I'm so upset by it. I haven't looked at anything.  It's disgusting. And you I saw that and said,  

"Yeah, like there's no putting the genie back  in the lamp here." That was one. The other thing  

I'm really worried about is what's happening at  these ICE detention centers where it's happening  

not far from where I live in Broadview, Illinois,  where they set up an ICE detention facility. And  

the administration is rounding these people  up, which I support, but they're doing it in  

a very provocative way. They're broadcasting  it. They're making hype edits on Twitter of  

like these raids on apartment complexes, which I  think are very cool, but it's somewhat provocative  

and Antifa showing up in order to protect  ICE. The administration's putting DHS. Well,  

now they're protesting the DHS presence and and  the administration of the governor of Illinois and  

the mayor of Chicago are telling Chicago police,  don't help ICE. And they're encouraging the  

protesters. And what I see there is like a level  of tension that just keeps increasing. Yes. And  

there's leadership. There's civilian leadership  on both sides. Like the governor and mayor who  

are Democrats won't back down versus a Republican  president. There's a security uh division too.  

The police versus ICE, the police versus DHS.  There's a constitutional question about the  

federal supremacy, you know, and I see all the  ingredients of like a low boil civil conflict,  

full-blown civil war, and I'm not that guy, but I  see all the ingredients there for that to happen.  

So, I'm I'm deeply concerned about where that will  go. How how would you handle it if you were in  

charge? If you're the president, what do you do  about that? I think maybe this is controversial  

but they have to crush the other side. They have  to because you can do one of two things. You  

can not challenge the left and let them do their  thing. Or you can utterly confront them and defeat  

them and and remove hope from the equation. If you  resist, you will be arrested. Like we're just this  

is an insurrection. There's 10 million people  here illegally. We're getting them out. You're  

rioting. You're going to jail, too. like it has to  be crushed. But if you do anything less than that,  

if you do in the middle, all you're doing is  antagonizing and feeding the other side. And  

if they think there's a chance they can win, they  will get bolder and stronger and they'll start to  

rally. And that's when it's sort of like people  think it's close or like it's contentious. That's  

when it breathes. That's when oxygen is fed to  this kind of fire. So if I were Trump, I would  

say screw 200 National Guard. Like arrest the  mayor of Chicago, like arrest the governor. Shut  

it down. Like make it clear like like Washington,  you know, bring in the troops and say the federal  

government is supreme. The immigration law is the  law of the land. If you're not on board with that,  

you're going to jail. If you attack ICE or box  them in with your car, you're going to jail  

for a long time. Anything less than that, you  might as well just not even bark up that tree  

at all. Nick Fuentes, thank you very much.  Thank you. It's nice to meet you. Likewise.

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Key Vocabulary

Vocabulary	Meanings
politics /ˈpɒlɪtɪks/ B2	noun - the activities associated with the governance of a country or area
media /ˈmiːdiə/ B2	noun - newspapers, television, radio, and the internet, collectively
conservative /kənˈsɜːrvətɪv/ B2	adjective - favoring traditional values and ideas noun - a person who holds conservative views
liberal /ˈlɪb(ə)rəl/ B2	adjective - open to new behavior or ideas; favoring personal freedoms noun - a person who advocates liberal ideas
immigration /ˌɪmɪˈɡreɪʃən/ C1	noun - the act of moving to a new country to live permanently
extremism /ɪkˈstriːmɪzəm/ C1	noun - the holding of extreme political or religious views
censorship /ˈsɛn.sɚ.ʃɪp/ C1	noun - the suppression or prohibition of speech, public communication, or other information
ideology /ˌaɪ.diˈɒl.ə.dʒi/ C1	noun - a system of ideas and ideals, especially one that forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy
nationalism /ˈnæʃənəlɪzəm/ C1	noun - a political ideology that emphasizes loyalty, devotion, or allegiance to a nation or nation-state
terrorism /ˈtɛr.ər.ɪ.zəm/ C1	noun - the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims
propaganda /ˌprɒp.əˈɡæn.də/ C1	noun - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view
bias /ˈbaɪəs/ B2	noun - prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another
activist /ˈæk.tɪ.vɪst/ B2	noun - a person who campaigns for some kind of social change
protest /ˈprəʊ.tɛst/ B1	verb - to express an objection to something publicly noun - an organized public demonstration expressing disapproval
authority /ɔːˈθɒr.ɪ.ti/ B2	noun - the power or right to give orders, make decisions, or enforce obedience
democracy /dɪˈmɒk.rə.si/ B2	noun - a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives
bias /ˈbaɪəs/ B2	noun - a prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another

Key Grammar Structures

• I was very political. I was reading a lot of the libertarian stuff, Austrian school, Chicago school, economic type literature, because that's what was popular at the time.

  ➔ Past continuous (was reading) for an ongoing action in the past; past simple (was) for a state.

  ➔ The verb "was reading" is in the past continuous to show a prolonged activity, while "was" is a past‑simple verb describing a state.

• I initially didn't like Trump when the primary started in 2015.

  ➔ Past simple negative with adverb of time; simple past for a completed event.

  ➔ The negative past‑simple "didn't like" shows a past feeling, and "initially" places it at the beginning of the timeframe.

• I said, "I think Trump's going to win."

  ➔ Reported speech (verbs of saying) + future intention with "going to".

  ➔ "I said" introduces reported speech; inside the quotes, "going to win" expresses a planned future action.

• If we want to win elections, we have to bypass the media.

  ➔ First conditional (if + present simple, main clause with modal "have to").

  ➔ "If we want" uses the present simple in the if‑clause; "have to" expresses necessity in the result clause.

• I was told later that it was too far right.

  ➔ Passive voice in past simple (was told); reported clause with past simple.

  ➔ "was told" is the passive form of "tell" showing that someone else gave the information; "it was" continues in past simple.

• I would have continued my show if they hadn't cancelled me.

  ➔ Third conditional (would have + past participle, if + past perfect).

  ➔ "would have continued" expresses an unreal past result; "if they hadn't cancelled" uses past perfect to show the condition that did not happen.

• The shooter, who had previously been involved in a drug deal, targeted my house.

  ➔ Relative clause with past perfect (who had previously been involved).

  ➔ "who had previously been involved" is a relative clause using past perfect to describe a prior state before the main action.

• I can't imagine a world where everyone is safe.

  ➔ Modal verb "can't" + infinitive; relative clause with present simple "where everyone is safe".

  ➔ "can't imagine" uses the modal "can't" with the base verb "imagine"; the clause "where everyone is safe" describes the imagined situation.

• They should have arrested the people who run OnlyFans.

  ➔ Modal perfect (should have + past participle) expressing criticism about the past; relative clause "who run OnlyFans".

  ➔ "should have arrested" is a modal perfect indicating a missed obligation in the past; "who run OnlyFans" specifies the people being referred to.