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All right, Remy the Rat vers Spongebob. 00:00
Who you got? Now, Spongebob, he has that 00:01
speed and efficiency on the grill, but 00:03
Remy the Rat, he's got that creativity. 00:04
He's going to come in with that 00:06
signature rat flare. Ultimately, it's 00:07
going to come down to execution. 00:08
But how is Spongebob grilling 00:10
underwater? 00:12
That's a good point. This is a hot dog 00:13
as a sandwich. 00:15
Ketchup is a smoothie. 00:17
Yeah, I put ice in my cereal. So what? 00:18
That makes no sense. 00:20
A hot dog is a sandwich. 00:21
A hot dog is a sandwich. 00:22
What? 00:25
Welcome to our podcast, A Hot Dog is a 00:26
Sandwich, the show we break down the 00:28
world's biggest food debates. I'm your 00:30
host, Shash Sher, and joining me today 00:31
is model, actress, Miss Universe 2012, 00:33
and host of NextGen Chef on Netflix, 00:36
Olivia Culpa. Welcome to the pod. 00:38
Thanks. Thanks for having me. I'm very 00:40
excited to talk all things food. 00:42
I am very excited that you're here 00:44
because I just finished NextGen Chef on 00:46
Netflix. All the episodes are out. We're 00:48
not going to give away any spoilers on 00:50
who wins today, but the finale really, 00:51
really was absolutely incredible. Um, 00:53
and this is your first time hosting a 00:55
cooking competition, but you are a 00:58
longtime food show junkie, I believe. 00:59
Oh my gosh, I love food shows. 01:01
Everything that I remember about my 01:03
childhood was revolved around food 01:04
shows. Like, do you remember the two It 01:07
literally was called The Two Fat 01:08
Sisters? 01:10
Yeah. Two Two Fat Was it Two Fat 01:10
Sisters? Two fat ladies. 01:12
Two fat ladies. Two fat ladies. Little 01:13
motorcycle. Like that was my childhood. 01:15
I've been watching cooking shows since 01:17
the beginning of time. So for me it's 01:19
like it's home and to be a part of one 01:20
that I think is so great is an honor. 01:23
Absolutely. I feel like our generation, 01:25
we're a dying breed. Not to say to say 01:27
we're old, but I'm saying like people 01:30
who grew up watching those kinds of food 01:31
shows, it's really like transformed over 01:34
the years, which is why it was so cool 01:36
seeing, you know, on Netflix, right? 01:38
Like uh Chef Table was such an 01:39
incredible series. And then to see 01:41
Netflix now throw their hat in the ring 01:43
with the like full seasonl long kind of 01:45
procedural. Everyone, you know, gets 01:48
eliminated one week after another to 01:50
crown a champion. It was really cool to 01:51
see that on Netflix because I feel like 01:53
that was one of the first times they've 01:56
really tried that. 01:57
Oh yeah. I mean, I feel like I I hope 01:58
that that breed doesn't die. We've got 02:01
to keep this alive. 02:02
We're trying our best out here. 02:04
Well, it's the type of First of all, 02:05
it's comforting. It's feel-good. You can 02:06
kind of go to the bathroom and pick up 02:08
right where you left off. Like you don't 02:09
have to be watching every single second, 02:11
you know? We're all so consumed with our 02:13
daily lives. I just feel like food shows 02:14
are the easiest 02:16
thing to watch while also being 02:18
entertaining. 02:19
Oh, 100%. I to me I I love just having 02:20
him on in the background, but like 02:22
growing up it was uh it was Food 02:24
Network. It was almost like they were my 02:26
surrogate parents in a way. You was a 02:28
total latchy kid. You come home and 02:30
there's Rachel Ray making a comforting 02:31
30 minute meal and I'm like I can put 02:33
bagged fries and make ground turkey 02:35
chili, you know, and have a comforting 02:37
meal. So those like mean so much to me. 02:39
How much of a trip was it for you to 02:41
like actually be like hosting that? 02:43
It was such a pitch me moment. Not only 02:46
because it's the the type of show that I 02:48
personally like to watch, but you're 02:50
really around these people who are about 02:52
to have an opportunity that will change 02:54
the trajectory of their entire life. 02:55
It's the most talented chefs under 30 in 02:57
the world. So we're dealing with a 02:59
different age demographic than I think 03:00
we've seen in these shows. And it really 03:02
is a moment. It's such a pivotal time in 03:05
their career where the cash prize of 03:06
half a million dollars, which is the 03:09
highest culinary show prize his in 03:10
history. Um, 03:13
inflation's getting crazy out there. 03:14
Half a million dollars. That's wild. 03:16
I know. I know. I know. So, they you 03:17
know, you these are the chefs will 03:21
define a next gen the next generation 03:23
like the next Anthony Bourdain, the next 03:25
Thomas Keller. So, we're a part of their 03:27
journey. We all are watching it. 03:29
Yeah. It was so cool too that for the 03:31
first time I feel like it really had a 03:33
sense of place like at the culinary 03:35
institute of America which I growing up 03:36
when I was thinking about going to 03:40
culinary school I'd never ended up doing 03:41
it but I was like culinary institute in 03:42
of America in Hyde Park it's like the 03:44
Hogwarts of food and then I think one of 03:46
the contestants even says that in like 03:48
episode one they're like damn this is 03:50
like the Hogwarts of food but it was so 03:51
cool to have everything like contained 03:53
in that area but there's still so many 03:55
different like uh sets and sceneries and 03:57
and different restaurants within there 04:00
that you were able to film in. It was 04:01
just really really awesome and it was 04:03
cool that you like captured that vibe of 04:04
really like rooting for young people 04:06
that you can see a version of yourself 04:08
in. 04:09
Yeah. And you're that you see them 04:10
learning at the Culinary Institute of 04:12
America. Even the contestants 04:15
themselves, you see this 04:16
uh evolution of them from the beginning 04:18
to the end and then of course the 04:20
winner. Um it's really really it's 04:22
really cool. And also the CIA is where 04:24
some of the most prolific chefs in 04:28
history went to study. So there's so 04:30
much weight in that. And I think that 04:32
also makes that's another element of the 04:34
show that's so special. 04:36
Yeah. Yeah. When are you going to 04:37
culinary school? Are you going to 04:38
enroll? 04:39
I've already been. 04:40
Wait, you've been to 04:41
Well, I was an honorary student for a 04:42
moment in time at the Culinary Institute 04:45
of America. It was four days. 04:47
Okay. No, four days. Yeah, that that 04:49
counts. That counts enough. But 04:51
yes. No, I mean I pride myself as a home 04:52
cook and I love being a home cook. I 04:56
think being a home cook is very 04:58
important. I think my job is important 04:59
as a home cook. So, I'm okay with that. 05:01
I would I love to go to school because I 05:04
love learning. Um makes my home cooking 05:06
easier and better, but um I'm kind of 05:09
happy with wearing that hat for now. 05:12
Yeah, you and me both. I think a thing 05:14
that a lot of people don't realize about 05:15
the food world in general is that a vast 05:17
majority of the food in the world is 05:20
cooked in homes and is not cooked in 05:22
restaurants. And even some of the most 05:23
delicious food in the entire world is 05:25
cooked in homes. And I I don't know. I 05:27
kind of wish more people would actually 05:28
actually recognize that. But I think it 05:30
is tougher to like make a full, you 05:32
know, TV show out of just uh straight up 05:33
home cooking. But I think people have 05:36
tried. Yeah. You're so I was just 05:37
thinking about that the other day 05:39
because I bought salmon and um I w I I 05:40
made it at home blah blah blah you know 05:44
and I was this is the most fresh salmon 05:45
most fresh fish ever. And when you think 05:48
about it when you're eating out in a 05:49
restaurant unless they're catching it 05:51
that day which sometimes they are. 05:52
Yeah. 05:54
Odds are it's been there for a couple 05:55
days was in the freezer they took it 05:57
out. You know unless you're getting a 05:58
really nice fine dining experience. I'm 06:00
not saying that. But you know it's it is 06:01
fresher at home a lot of the time. It 06:03
really is. 06:05
No 100%. and you don't have to worry 06:05
about margins. And I remember talking to 06:07
uh my best friend in the world. He's a 06:10
Gujarati from India. And so his mom 06:12
makes like, you know, these very 06:14
regional Indian dishes. And I grew up 06:15
eating at his house two, three nights a 06:17
week because I was also interested in 06:18
food. And I remember asking his mom, I 06:20
was like, "This is the most delicious 06:22
food I've ever had in my life." All of 06:23
your family members say the same. Would 06:25
you ever open a restaurant? And she uh 06:26
you know, they generally serve like the 06:28
sweet tamarind chutney and the green 06:30
chutney and the Indian restaurants. So 06:31
delicious. and she points to the bowl of 06:33
tamarind chutney and she goes there's 06:35
like $15 worth of fresh tamarind dates 06:36
uh and like actual like molasses 06:39
imported from India in that she goes if 06:41
I had a restaurant I would have to give 06:43
that away for free which is why all the 06:45
Indian restaurants she's like they're 06:47
generally mixing like apple butter and 06:48
cutting it 06:50
and she's like so much of this is just a 06:51
labor of love that you know you can't 06:52
put into a restaurant experience and I 06:54
think that's kind of cool 06:56
it's so true you can't scale it you also 06:57
can't scale the love that you put into 07:00
it when you are making it at home. 07:01
Yeah. Yeah. 07:03
That's true. I just feel like my mom 07:04
always says that cuz she's a huge She 07:06
loves food, loves cooking, everything. 07:09
It's like she's always said to me, 07:10
having a house that smells like a 07:12
freshly home-cooked meal is important. 07:14
Like it's important for your family. 07:16
Yeah. 07:18
And I really do believe that. So anyway, 07:19
that's why cooking shows are a little 07:21
part of that. 07:22
Mhm. 07:23
They're a little part of that hug. 07:24
Yeah. Yeah. 07:26
Because food food connects people. What 07:27
was the like single most meaningful 07:29
story you heard while filming NextGen 07:31
Chef from one of the competitors? 07:33
Well, I think that Andrew's dish in the 07:35
finale was the fajita. The fajita, 07:38
was it a tenderloin? 07:43
Uh, strip loin. 07:44
Fajita strip loin. And his dad loved 07:45
fajitas. His dad died when he was a 07:48
teenager. You can only imagine how hard 07:51
that is. And to make this meal in honor 07:52
of him is beautiful. And it's just one 07:55
of those other things. It's just one of 07:57
those reminders of what food means. 07:59
Like, it really is something that 08:02
tackles all of the five senses. And for 08:04
him to be able to create a plate that 08:06
reminds him of somebody that was so 08:08
important in his life, you can't do that 08:10
with everything in life. You can't 08:12
really honor someone's memory and the 08:14
way you can, you know, you 08:17
can't taste a song. You can't, you know. 08:18
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. 08:20
Yeah. So, I thought that was so 08:23
beautiful. 08:25
Yeah. That was the single moment in the 08:26
show where I was just like, "This is 08:27
what it's all about, baby." That was 08:29
such like a triumphant moment because 08:31
not only was it like, you know, honoring 08:33
a memory, but he like took that and kind 08:34
of ran it through this fine dining lens, 08:37
which I we were talking earlier like I 08:40
have a little bit of an anti-fine dining 08:42
bias just I think people get a little 08:43
too into, you know, these little cheffy 08:45
tricks and, you know, uh, honoring 08:48
French technique when there's a whole 08:50
world outside of France that makes very 08:52
delicious food with incredible 08:53
technique. But you could also tell with 08:54
certain chefs like that hardcore 08:56
training that they've had also means a 08:59
lot to them because for me I so much of 09:01
my early self-esteem was built through 09:04
learning how to cook. it was just sports 09:05
and cooking. And that's when I learned 09:07
that like, oh, you can kind of uh be 09:09
self-sufficient in this way and you can 09:11
kind of take control of your own life by 09:13
taking control of cooking a meal. And so 09:16
having that sort of like regimen seemed 09:17
to like mean a lot to him as well and 09:19
having those mentors in his life and I 09:21
just thought that was such a beautiful 09:23
moment. 09:24
Absolutely. The fact that he is in fine 09:25
dining and did not go to culinary 09:28
school. 09:29
Yeah. 09:30
So impressive. Yeah, 09:31
that's that is a lot of heart and soul 09:32
to get to that level without having the 09:34
training. I can't imagine. Can you? 09:37
I don't know. So, I did work for a chef 09:40
who um he came from a Michelin uh 09:42
background. There's a restaurant group 09:45
called Patina in Los Angeles that had 09:47
like all the Michelin stars and they do 09:48
like the Walt Disney Concert Hall food 09:50
and stuff. So, he came from that 09:51
background and he never went to culinary 09:53
school, but he did play like Jo football 09:54
and so he ran his kitchen. and he 09:58
eventually opened a restaurant that was 10:00
really successful in LA and he like 10:02
brought me on as a guard m when I was 22 10:03
years old, fresh out of uh out of 10:05
college, fresh off the UCLA track and 10:08
field team. And so his entire kitchen 10:09
was only filled with athletes and he 10:12
refused to hire kids from culinary 10:14
school. 10:15
Wow. 10:16
His theory was that uh culinary school 10:17
uh could make you soft. And again, he 10:20
every chef comes into every kitchen with 10:22
their own crazy biases. And that's also 10:24
part of learning how to work in an 10:27
environment. And so, uh, the first 10:28
kitchen that I worked in was just all a 10:30
bunch of athletes. No one had any formal 10:33
training other than working in 10:36
restaurants 10:37
and eating a lot of food 10:38
and eating so much food. You, that's the 10:39
thing. When you have to eat double the 10:41
calories as a gen pop person, 10:42
you get double the opportunity to learn 10:45
a 10:46
lot more time in the kitchen. I cannot 10:46
wait to tell my husband that because 10:48
even filming this show, it really does 10:50
give you an a lot of insight as into the 10:52
pursuit of excellence of each of these 10:54
chefs. You watch things like Chef's 10:56
Table, like you mentioned before, these 10:58
cooking shows with these really elite, 11:00
top-of-the- top visionaries, these 11:03
unbelievable chefs, and you know that 11:06
they are constantly chasing the pursuit 11:09
of perfection. And it reminds me a lot 11:11
of what my husband does because it's 11:13
always better, faster, stronger. Can I 11:15
do better? Of course I can. Did I hit 11:18
this? Can I get the next accolade or 11:20
break the next record? Chefs are just as 11:23
intense. 11:26
Yeah. Yeah, I call them sickos. Like 11:26
they're sickos ultimately. It's like 11:27
there's this sort of like uh intrinsic 11:29
drive that um sometimes you almost can't 11:31
turn it off in a certain way. Which is 11:34
why I'm really glad that I got into 11:36
media and I get to sit in a nice air 11:37
conditioned room um and not be running 11:38
with wind sprints uh constantly or front 11:41
squatting 500 lb and not being in a 11:43
sweaty kitchen constantly. So very 11:46
grateful that I have this cushy job, but 11:48
I do kind of miss that intensity. 11:50
Totally. It's so intense. They work so 11:51
hard. 11:53
What about your training? because from 11:54
the media side of it like that is also a 11:55
very difficult thing to do to host to 11:58
try and live within this story arc 12:01
that's going along and I think you do a 12:03
fantastic job also your your judges 12:04
Kelsey Bernard Clark was a fan of from 12:07
Top Chef but like where did you uh like 12:09
draw that inspiration from to like 12:11
actually perform as a host? 12:14
I was really honestly so honored to be 12:16
there. I was so honored to be with among 12:18
such greatness the J Kelsey Carlton, all 12:22
of the contestants, the CIA. I mean, it 12:25
really is the Hogwarts of culinary 12:27
school. It's such a cool place. Um, 12:29
and I I just I just Yeah. I don't know. 12:31
I don't even know how to answer that 12:36
because I felt like it came so 12:37
naturally, but it was because I was just 12:40
among such inspiring people. 12:42
Yeah. No, that's really cool. And also, 12:44
you grew up watching all of this. I'm 12:45
sure you had, you know, these hosts that 12:47
you remember from actually watching it 12:49
to sort of like drop off. 12:51
Totally. Absolutely. Yes. 12:52
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's an incredible 12:54
show. Everybody check it out. But today, 12:56
we got to get down to the topic at hand. 12:58
And that is now that you've concluded 13:00
your first season of a full culinary 13:02
competition show in Crowned a Winner. I 13:04
want to run through a bunch of fictional 13:05
chefs and see how you think they would 13:07
fare in a NextGen Chef style 13:09
competition. We're not putting an age 13:12
limit on this because frankly, I don't 13:13
know how rats age. I think rat ears are 13:15
similar to dog ears in a sense. 13:18
Uh that's a little too long for me. I 13:20
wish we're a little shorter. Maybe like 13:22
the lifespan of a bee. That's like two 13:24
weeks. 13:26
Fair. Fair. But who do you think the 13:27
best fictional chefs of all time are 13:29
that could actually compete in a 13:31
competition and win? 13:33
Okay. So, I thought about this. 13:34
Obviously, we have Remy the Rat from 13:36
Ratatouille. 13:38
Yeah. Yeah. I think Remy would have to 13:38
come with a sort of human avatar that 13:40
he's controlling. Yes. 13:42
Which what's his what's his name in the 13:44
movie? It's like linguini. 13:46
Linguini. 13:48
Oh yeah, linguini. 13:48
Linguini. Yeah, but linguini is not the 13:49
chef. It's Remy. Linguini is the vessel. 13:51
Exactly. 13:53
You would have Remy under your hat 13:53
controlling what you do. 13:54
He would be telling me what to do. Like 13:55
a lot more salt. 13:57
Um I al Oh, Little Mermaid, Chef Louie. 13:59
Wait, I'm not familiar with Chef. I've 14:05
never seen The Little Mermaid. 14:07
He's trying He's trying to kill 14:08
Sebastian. It's a very brief period of 14:11
the movie. I was going to say this is a 14:14
plot in The Little Mermaid where there's 14:15
a chef that is trying to kill Sebastian 14:17
is 14:19
the crab. 14:20
He's the crab, but I think Wait, is he a 14:21
crab or lobster? 14:23
What do they call him? Cuz he has 14:26
He's a crab that looks like a like a 14:27
small lobster. Maybe like a crate 14:29
crawfish. 14:31
I did once read a marine biologist. I've 14:31
never seen the movie, but I read a 14:34
marine biologist breaking down exactly 14:35
what type of creature Sebastian was. And 14:37
I think they use the term Jamaican squat 14:40
lobster, which is not technically 14:42
that this is why you have a podcast. Who 14:44
the hell would know that? 14:47
But also, I've never seen the movie, so 14:49
I've missed the entire cultural context 14:50
of it. 14:52
Well, how did you just know that? 14:52
I was 14:54
impressed. 14:56
The things that stick in my brain. Thank 14:57
you so much. 14:58
Did you watch The Parent Trap? 14:58
I did watch the Parent Trap. Huge fan of 15:00
the Parent Trap. Oh, it's a crab. Okay. 15:02
Yeah. I don't know why I knew that, but 15:04
it he does not really look like a crab. 15:07
No, 15:09
we can all agree with that. Okay. 15:09
But I love that there's a chef trying to 15:11
chase him down. Just be like, "What do 15:12
you taste like?" 15:14
Yeah. 15:16
Yeah. Yeah. 15:16
The whole uh I think it was a a 15:17
block knife. 15:22
Oh, like a Yeah. Cleaver kind of thing 15:23
around with it. 15:25
Cleaver. Yep. That's it. Um my next 15:26
fictitious kitchen. And wait, what is a 15:30
fictitious chef? 15:32
Yeah. Yeah. 15:33
Fictitious chef is from the parent trap. 15:33
Chess 15:36
talking chess. 15:36
Yes. 15:38
Given given life advice, too. She's like 15:38
the voice of reason in the room, you 15:40
know, the down to earth. 15:42
She's she just feels like she could whip 15:44
anything up and I like someone like that 15:46
in my life. 15:49
I respect that. How do you think she 15:49
would actually fair though if cuz 15:51
there's always like the competitor who 15:52
can obviously make really good tasty 15:54
food but then they sort of get into the 15:56
later rounds and some of their flaws 15:58
start to be exposed where it's like 16:00
hey you made a really tasty bite of food 16:02
but also like 16:04
is this actually next level enough to 16:06
compete with these other people have 16:08
fine dining experience? Do you think 16:10
Chesse would eventually get found out? 16:11
Cuz I could see her as like a mid round 16:12
skating through the first couple rounds. 16:15
People are burning pastries, but then 16:17
once she gets to the finals, it's like, 16:19
does she have the firepower? 16:20
I know. I I I hate to say this, but I 16:21
think you're right. She's calm, cool, 16:24
and collected. That's what gets her as 16:25
far as she does. And then, you know, it 16:27
just push comes to shove. She just 16:28
doesn't have the fine dining experience. 16:30
Needs to be wellrounded. 16:32
I know that's tough. That's tough. But I 16:33
do respect the chess pick. 16:35
Yeah. Uh, who else is it is my favorite? 16:36
Who else? What do you Who do you think? 16:40
I I got I got a couple here. Um, I think 16:41
I have a lot of hard and fast opinions 16:44
about um, food media if you couldn't 16:46
tell. I think the greatest cooking movie 16:48
ever made is Chef. Have you seen Chef by 16:50
John Fabro? 16:53
Yes, I think I have. Who Who else is in 16:54
it? 16:56
Uh, Sophia Vgara plays his ex-wife. Um, 16:56
John Leguisamo is his sue chef. Bobby 17:00
Canaval is like his line cook. Um, 17:03
there's a weird cameo by Rob Low. I 17:06
think 17:08
I'm confusing this with a another Chef 17:09
movie, but I can't remember where. 17:12
Are you talking about burnt with Bradley 17:13
Cooper? 17:14
Yes. Yes, duh. Of course, 17:15
they came out at 17:16
of course 17:17
I think very firmly that um Chef is the 17:17
greatest food movie of all time and 17:20
Burnt is the worst food movie of all 17:22
time 17:23
and it's incredible. If you watch them 17:24
back toback, it's like um the people 17:26
that made Chef, which was John Fabro, uh 17:28
written, directed, and starred. And then 17:30
he had chef Roy Choy, who's one of my 17:32
favorite chefs of all time, do all of 17:34
the like food styling production on it. 17:35
Oh. But it's this beautiful love letter 17:37
to food and even just the way they 17:39
filmed it is incredible. And it's about 17:41
this like fine dining chef who gets 17:43
stuck in a rut a little bit having to 17:45
cook the like, you know, caviar and 17:47
fileman type of food and then he leaves 17:49
everything to start like a Cubano food 17:51
truck and drives around and bonds with 17:53
his son and it's such beautiful 17:55
storytelling. 17:57
Okay, I have to watch that. I'm going to 17:58
watch them back to back. I need a 17:59
refresher. I'm burnt now that you've 18:01
told me that it's the worst movie of all 18:03
time. during the by-week, do a double 18:05
feature on a Sunday. Like, it's going to 18:06
be incredible. Uh, but then Burnt on the 18:08
other hand, it's like they clearly hate 18:11
food. 18:14
Like, they they at no point do they ever 18:14
tell you the name of a single dish that 18:17
Bradley Cooper as a chef is making. 18:19
Oh, no. 18:21
And they just The only indication that 18:22
he's actually a good chef is that um Uma 18:23
Thurman, as a food critic, will take a 18:26
bite of food and go, 18:27
that's that is linger on her face. 18:29
Yeah, that's disappointing. Do you know 18:32
how to hold a knife? Let's start there. 18:33
So, he actually did, which is the 18:35
interesting thing. 18:37
That's what I always look for first. 18:37
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you see someone 18:39
like spllaying their fingers as they're 18:40
chopping. 18:42
Yeah. Dead giveaway. 18:43
I know. I know. But like I love when you 18:44
can see the hands very obviously switch 18:46
in the middle. 18:49
Yeah. Or just wrong placement on the 18:50
knife in general. 18:53
Yeah. 18:54
It happens. 18:55
It does. But uh 18:56
that's what you can that's how I usually 18:57
know I can spot the losers in the show 18:58
really quickly. 19:01
Oh, interesting. 19:02
Yeah. Oh, so nice skills are 19:03
pretty. Yes. If you can't if you don't 19:06
have nice skills, which by the way, as a 19:07
home cook, I don't as well, but you can 19:09
just tell. 19:11
No, you you and me both. Those are like 19:11
the things that um I'm very confident in 19:13
me being able to cook good food. But if 19:16
I were actually on a competition show 19:18
like NextGen Chef, and they were like, 19:20
"Filt this whole benino perfectly," I'd 19:22
be like, "Hold up, let me watch a 19:25
YouTube tutorial." And that probably 19:26
wouldn't get me very far. So, there are 19:28
these kind of things that some home 19:30
cooks are missing. I would also just 19:31
rust the branzino in a hole and use that 19:33
as an excuse. 19:34
Yeah. Like, yes, it's fine dining. 19:35
It's rustic. It's rustic. 19:37
Put a foam on top. 19:39
Exactly. But I think Carl Casper from 19:40
Chef, I think the reason he's the 19:43
ultimate competition show fictional chef 19:45
is because he has that fine dining 19:47
experience. He's obviously been there, 19:49
done that. He can do all the technique, 19:50
but you get all of that personal 19:52
intrinsic storytelling of driving a food 19:53
truck across the country to bond with 19:57
his son. Can imagine him presenting to 19:58
the judges. Oh yeah. 20:00
I think to me he wins 20:02
a shoe in if 20:03
America's sweetheart if you will. 20:05
Truly 20:06
he will capture America's heart. 20:07
Conversely, Bradley Cooper from Burnt. I 20:09
haven't even remembered the name of his 20:11
actual character, but Bradley Cooper 20:13
from Burnt. The funny thing about that 20:15
movie is the script I think was written 20:16
10 years before the movie got made. And 20:18
so it was kind of written in this like 20:21
2005 like bad boy rockstar chef era 20:23
where it was like considered cool to be 20:26
the Gordon Ramsay type that's screaming 20:28
and throwing plates. 20:30
Yeah. 20:31
And so the movie really glorifies that. 20:31
That's not cool anymore. 20:34
No, certainly not. I you know it wasn't 20:35
cool back then, but we treated it like 20:37
it was for some sort of weird reason. 20:38
Oh no. 20:40
And so uh Bradley Cooper from Chef I 20:41
think would get kicked out of the house 20:42
uh episode three because somebody messes 20:45
with his Mison Plus and he throws a 20:48
plate at the wall. Yeah, it would be it 20:49
would be an attitude thing for sure. He 20:51
like would bring down the whole brigade, 20:53
something like that. 20:54
Oh, 100%. 20:55
And everybody would turn on him and be 20:56
like, "Get this guy out of here." 20:57
Was there any like crazy drama that 20:59
happened during Next NextGen Chef? 21:00
Like were there any like personal 21:02
infighting between contestants that you 21:04
didn't expect? 21:06
I'm sure everybody was very PC that and 21:07
they were very shy in a way, you know. 21:11
They they really I didn't I don't think 21:13
that anybody wanted to tell on each 21:15
other, but there's always things that 21:18
happen behind the scenes that um 21:19
no one wants to put bring to light. 21:22
Oh, sure, sure, sure. We can keep those 21:24
buried. Um, 21:26
yeah. 21:27
Sometimes though, speaking of the the 21:28
previous era where people thought things 21:29
were good ideas, um, maybe my favorite 21:31
competition show of all time, it was 21:35
called, well, favorite very lowercase F 21:36
because it's maybe the worst show ever, 21:39
but it was called House of Food on MTV. 21:40
I remember that. 21:43
Do you remember that? 21:44
I was just thinking like we need like a 21:45
road rules like cooking show. 21:46
Oh my god. MTV tried maybe 12 years ago 21:49
or something, maybe a little less, maybe 21:51
10 years ago. I actually tried to write 21:53
an oral history um about this uh because 21:55
I was a journalist, but then everybody 21:57
of course signed NDAs and oral history 21:59
never happened. But I think episode 22:01
four, a male contestant threw a toaster 22:03
at a female contestant and they just 22:05
aired it like it was a cool dramatic 22:06
thing. Oh no. 22:08
And people like we can't do this 22:09
anymore. So occasionally you get wild 22:10
cards like Bradley Cooper from Burnt and 22:12
they're don't think it would do well. 22:14
I mean you can be intense but you can't 22:16
throw posters at people. 22:18
We don't advocate that. Um, do you have 22:20
any other any other fictional chefs you 22:21
think? 22:23
Suki from Gilmore Girls. Don't you just 22:24
think that she would be like a warm hug? 22:26
I've never 22:28
seen Gilmore. I've seen a couple 22:28
episodes. No. Well, no, no, no. I am a 22:30
big fan of Amy Sherman Paladino's 22:32
dialogue and I've watched probably six 22:34
episodes of Gilmore Girls. 22:37
You didn't get off the bus from school 22:38
and immediately get yourself a snack and 22:40
sit down and watch Gilmore Girls every 22:42
single day of high school and middle 22:43
school. 22:45
I think I was watching Smart Guy, which 22:45
is also a really fun show, but I wasn't. 22:46
I wish I probably would have been a 22:48
better person had I been doing that 22:49
though. 22:51
Yeah. And yes, you know, 22:51
you would. I agree. 22:52
What was Suki's specialty in Gilmore 22:53
Girls? 22:55
I just There's a coffee shop, right? 22:55
Yes. And she just brought levity, you 22:58
know. So, I think she would be 23:00
lighthearted. I think that she would 23:02
bring a little bit of that lightness 23:04
that you need in a kitchen. It's 23:05
important. But again, similar to Chessy, 23:07
I think when push comes to shove, she 23:09
would probably miss a little bit of the 23:11
finetuning, the refinement that's needed 23:13
to really win. 23:15
Yeah. Yeah. but very important person in 23:16
the brigade. 23:20
Nonetheless, 23:21
you need the comic relief in any sort of 23:22
group. And also, 23:24
NextGen Chef had the perfect comic 23:26
relief and Sydney Rubenstein. 23:27
Oh, exactly. 23:29
Rooting for Big Sid the whole time. 23:29
Oh gosh. You know, when he cried, I just 23:31
I cried. 23:34
Oh, man. Oh, so such a big hug. I know. 23:35
Yeah. Exactly. 23:38
That's the thing with all these people 23:39
on the show. I'm just like, they're 23:40
young. They have their whole lives ahead 23:41
of them. 23:42
It's true. You know what I mean? 23:43
It's true. I know. And even when they 23:44
get picked at the end, like you know, to 23:46
help other their other chefs, you know, 23:47
like it's kind of hard to explain this 23:50
on a podcast, but basically the chefs 23:51
that are in the finals get an 23:53
opportunity to pick their sue chefs who 23:55
are the people who had already been 23:57
eliminated. Yeah. Um and they have 23:58
really good attitudes about it and you 24:00
can tell like they're really fighting 24:01
for their for their leader even though 24:02
they got booted off the show. 24:04
I hope the winning chef kicked him a 24:06
couple grand after that cuz like you got 24:07
to kick him. I have I have one more 24:08
pitch for a fictional chef. Hear me out. 24:10
Have you seen the movie The Menu? 24:12
Yes. Yes, 24:14
Julian Sloic from the menu. 24:15
No, that whole movie I I I hope it 24:17
doesn't offend anybody. But that really 24:21
that really scarred me. I was not a fan. 24:23
Wait, you like it scarred you, but you 24:26
also weren't cuz it scarred me, but I 24:27
was a fan. 24:29
Was not a fan. It just goes against 24:30
everything that I know to be true about 24:32
food. 24:35
Like you just bait people in to murder 24:35
them. That's bizarre. 24:38
I know. I notic you want the wild card 24:40
energy on the show. I think he's going 24:43
to make it to the finale and then you 24:45
have the ultimate villain to root for 24:47
before he ultimately sets the kitchen on 24:49
fire. That's my final pick. Julian 24:51
Sloic. He's winning season two of Next 24:53
Gen Show. 24:54
That was a wild show. You brought me 24:55
back to the pandemic with that one. 24:57
You're welcome. 24:59
Because that was when that was airing 24:59
when we were all like 25:00
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a segment we call opinions are like 26:26
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It's a play on opinions or like gas. 26:35
Yeah, you get it. You get it. 26:37
I get it. 26:38
What is your opinion? 26:40
Oh, let's see what the opinions are. 26:41
Meg, you want to play them up? 26:42
Yeah. 26:43
Well, that message was a was a bit of a 26:45
trip. Anyway, my hot take is 26:47
tell you a story. 26:50
Strawberries and brown Dijon mustard. 26:50
Now, it sounds disgusting, but I tell 26:54
you what, it is absolutely delicious. 26:57
Love the podcast you guys. Thanks for 27:00
listen. 27:03
What's the level of sp I mean he lost 27:04
me. I gotta be honest, but there's so 27:07
many different mustards. Is it spicy? Is 27:08
it mild? 27:10
I'm thinking there's a brand called 27:11
Golden's. Do you know Golden's brown 27:13
mustard? That's like the brown mustard I 27:15
grew up eating. 27:17
Yeah. 27:18
I feel like he's talking something like 27:18
that. 27:19
Oh god. No. That's a no. 27:20
Do you dip? Cuz like I I love eating 27:22
fresh fruit. lovely healthy snack filled 27:24
with fiber, but I feel like so many 27:26
people will try and find something to 27:27
dip it in to avoid just eating the 27:29
delicious fresh fruit. 27:31
True. 27:33
Do you have anything like that? 27:33
Well, if it's not fresh, then I get it. 27:34
By the way, like balsamic with 27:36
strawberries is a thing. So, I get I get 27:37
what he's pulling from, but you should 27:39
just try balsamic with strawberries. 27:41
100%. There was a trend, God, it was 27:43
maybe four years ago on TikTok during 27:45
the pandemic. People were dipping 27:47
watermelon and like yellow mustard. 27:48
Yeah. Oh, no. I tried that and I was 27:50
like, "Eat the watermelon, put some 27:52
salt, put some taheen on it." 27:54
It's true. And I'm gonna say this as an 27:55
Italian and I and I hate to say this 27:57
because I try to like this every time, 27:59
but if you have an amazing cantaloupe 28:01
and you wrap it with pushcuto, it's 28:03
better just the cantaloupe. 28:05
100% agree. 28:06
Cuz it's too juicy and then the pushcido 28:07
is too chewy. So they don't 28:09
They leave your mouth at different 28:12
times. 28:13
Yeah, exactly. It needs to be an unripe 28:14
bad cantaloupe. Then you have to wrap it 28:16
in the pushcuto. I'm so glad you feel 28:18
that way because I've felt crazy every 28:20
time that I say that it's a really bad 28:22
combination. 28:23
Um but yeah, it doesn't make sense. 28:24
Too juicy. Like a great cantaloupe. 28:26
We're talking a great one. 28:28
I I agree with watermelon and feta as 28:29
well. I think it's a bad combo. 28:31
I I 28:33
I don't do it. 28:34
I think with a little bit of mint I can 28:34
get behind it just because it's not all 28:36
one bite. Like you're not it it it can 28:38
be consumed together. 28:40
But uh like let's say let's say you had 28:43
a watermelon gaspacho and you had the 28:46
feta cheese on top with a little bit of 28:48
mint. Like that's good. 28:49
I like that. 28:50
So in your mouth it's kind of the same 28:51
thing. So I'm okay with that. 28:53
You have to make the gasp you're making 28:55
the gaspacho in your mouth by chewing 28:56
it. 28:57
Yeah. Exactly. Little balsamic. 28:58
It sounds wonderful. There's something 28:59
about though the way that cuz feta has 29:01
so much salt in it and then you put salt 29:02
on watermelon, it draws the moisture 29:04
out. So if you like toss a feta and 29:05
watermelon salad, the end of it is just 29:07
like a feta scented watermelon murky 29:09
dishwater soup. 29:12
I don't want to drink. I don't want that 29:13
part. 29:14
No, I'll I'll drink it. I'll I'll take 29:15
it like a shot. Uh 29:16
yeah, 29:17
I resp I respect your If you're enjoying 29:18
the mustard and strawberries, keep doing 29:20
it, dude. It's a good healthy snack. 29:21
Strawberry. 29:23
Good lord, y'all. 29:26
Oh, wow. 29:27
That's just too sexy for a hot dog as a 29:28
sandwich. 29:30
You have to call the hotline to see what 29:31
they're talking about. I want to know 29:33
how do you make garlic balls? Not the 29:35
kind with dough on them. 29:38
Huh? 29:40
The kind that are like at parties and 29:42
you stick a toothpick in it. 29:46
Gosh. 29:48
And then your breath smells bad the 29:48
whole night and then people stay away 29:50
from you. So I really need to know how 29:52
to make them to make people stay away 29:54
from me. 29:56
I think she's talking about a roast 29:56
angel ba roasted bulb of garlic. 29:59
Is that what you say? Garlic balls. Not 30:03
the kind with dough on them. What does 30:04
that mean? Ice. 30:07
I think it's like a It's like a bulb. A 30:08
garlic bulb roasted. Okay. 30:10
You know, like at a safe house, you cut 30:12
it in half and it's and then you can 30:14
like dip the bread in it. I think she 30:15
might be talking about that 30:17
potentially. 30:18
Well, cuz what else is a garlic ball? 30:19
So, I searched garlic balls party. Um, 30:21
and this is what's come up. But this she 30:24
said specifically it's not a dough. So, 30:26
there's no it's not like a garlic knot 30:30
or something. Here's some sort of garlic 30:31
cheese ball 30:33
with a toothpick though. I can only 30:34
imagine that that's with the cloves 30:36
potentially. I 30:38
I don't want to go to her parties. 30:39
I have a really hot take. That's all I 30:41
know. 30:42
I have a really hot take about the 30:42
garlic and onion breath of it all. I 30:43
like the smell of garlic. I like the 30:46
smell of onions. I When people brush 30:47
their teeth, they're generally using a 30:50
peppermint flavored toothpaste. 30:51
Peppermint is just a viable culinary 30:53
flavor along with garlic, along with 30:56
onion. I think you should rock garlic 30:58
breath proudly at a party. But you can 30:59
say minty fresh about that. 31:01
Garicky fresh. Olivia as an Italian 31:04
woman. Garlicky fresh. 31:06
Maybe I'm a vampire. 31:08
That could be it. 31:10
Is there like a a like smell to you? 31:12
Like a perfect food smell? 31:15
Yes. 31:17
What is it? 31:17
Bread. 100% bread. 31:18
Yes. Bread. You just I know that there's 31:20
nothing better. 31:23
Yeah. Just 31:24
Can you top that? Like it's the best. I 31:25
mean, although there, you know, like 31:27
when you walk into an ice cream shop and 31:28
it's the cones that smell so good and 31:29
then they never taste as good as they 31:31
smell. But as far as like what I would 31:32
want my house to smell like when 31:34
somebody comes in, like a warm hug, I 31:36
really do think it's fresh bread for me. 31:37
I to me butter saut or onion sautéing 31:40
and butter. I think it's really hard to 31:42
beat 31:44
that. Yeah, that's that is like when you 31:45
when that scent drops, you're like 31:47
dinner is about to it's coming. 31:49
I know. It's so funny cuz like my I cook 31:51
dinner every night for my wife and 31:54
she'll like walk in the door and just go 31:55
like, "Oh my god, smells so good. 31:56
Dinner's going to be so delicious." I'm 31:59
like, "It's just onions. It's just 32:00
onions." And it's true. 32:01
Thank Thank you. I love you for having 32:03
faith, but it is just onions that you're 32:04
smelling. 32:06
That's a good smell, too. 32:06
That's more of like an evening smell. I 32:09
feel like the fresh bread is more of a 32:11
morning smell. Like I want to wake up. 32:13
But then there's also bacon 32:16
in the morning. You gota, you know, you 32:18
have like two and a half hour clusters. 32:20
You know, you got to have like the bacon 32:22
smell followed by a kind of like maybe 32:24
10:30, 11:00 a.m. bread that transitions 32:26
into onions. Then by the night time, you 32:28
got fresh baked chocolate chip cookies. 32:30
You know what? Bakers hours 500 a.m. 32:32
bread. 8 a.m. bacon. 32:35
Smart. 32:38
Noon. H God, I don't know. And then 32:39
dinner, it's going to be a onion garlic 32:42
thing. I I realize I need to change the 32:46
morning sense in my life because today I 32:48
unwrapped the same protein bar that I've 32:50
been eating every single morning at like 32:52
5:45 a.m. forever and I smelled it and 32:54
it triggered a gag reflex. 32:57
No, no, that's 32:59
so I need to change something. 33:00
That's my cue. That's my sign. Uh Meg, 33:02
you have time for one more. 33:04
Let's rip one more. It just it smelled 33:05
like hamster cage and 33:08
No. 33:09
Hi Josh and Nicole. Um me and my friends 33:10
had this debate uh about peas. 33:13
Frozen versus canned. 33:17
Oh, 33:20
frozen is better. 33:21
Please uh let 33:23
my friends know 33:25
that the uh frozen is better than 33:27
canned. Thank you. 33:31
Oh my gosh, how cute. 33:33
I love the debates that they're having. 33:35
We love you, too. 33:36
He said, "Love you." 33:37
And I love frozen peas. 33:38
A okay. I personally think that frozen 33:40
peas are better than 33:43
just because of the preservatives that 33:45
they put in the cans. But I will say I 33:46
had a really one of my best friends in 33:49
in high school every day would eat 33:51
string beans out of the can and I always 33:54
thought that was so weird. And it tastes 33:56
nothing like a fresh string green bean. 33:58
No, 34:00
nothing like it. So I get it's totally 34:01
different. So it's just a matter of 34:04
taste preference really. But hands down 34:07
is what's more fresh is going to be 34:09
frozen peas. 34:10
Also like frozen vegetables huge 34:11
advocate of cuz a lot of the times 34:13
they're actually they're picked at peak 34:14
ripess where like peas are such a spring 34:16
vegetable. I remember there was an 34:18
episode of Iron Chef America. I think it 34:20
was Iron Chef America in the early 2000s 34:23
where it was just battle frozen peas. 34:25
Wow. because they're like peas actually 34:27
get better when you pick them at peak 34:28
harvest and freeze them because they 34:31
have a short shelf life anyways because 34:32
it's such a green verdant vegetable that 34:34
freezing them is actually the optimal 34:35
way to preserve a pee. 34:37
Okay. Well, you just made that guy's 34:39
life. 34:41
Yeah, take that to your friends. 34:41
He's going to like his heels will be 34:43
clicking on his way to report that 34:45
information. 34:46
Nutrient preservation, too. Frozen 34:47
food's incredible for it. Canned, it 34:49
kind of washes out in the liquid. 34:51
All right. Okay. And also, they do say 34:53
that canned food has aluminum because of 34:55
the can. Uh, which I didn't know. 34:57
I just assume I'm eating so many 35:01
macrolastics and micro metals and 35:03
everything is just shredding my 35:06
digestive system. The protein bars smell 35:07
like hamster cage and I don't know what 35:09
to do about it, Olivia. I need help. 35:10
We need to start meal prepping so that 35:13
you can avoid that those bars. 35:15
Oh god, I know. I know. But oh man, if I 35:17
eat any eggs in the morning or something 35:20
and I go to the gym, it's a bad sign for 35:21
me. I can't taste eggs on the treadmill. 35:24
But I guess the protein bars are making 35:26
We'll figure that out. I have a lot to 35:28
consider. 35:29
You can make protein balls. You can make 35:29
overnight oats. 35:31
Oh, that'd be a good idea. 35:32
Overnight oats. You can add your protein 35:33
powder to them. 35:34
Stop trying to change me. 35:36
Uh, this has been truly incredible. 35:39
Thank you so much for stopping by the 35:42
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It's gonna shock you tonight at 8:00 35:52
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congrats on everything. Um truly it's a 35:56
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Thanks. I'm glad you like it. I'm glad I 36:01
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Season 2 is coming or what? 36:04
It better be. I mean, I I I hope. 36:06
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Everything that I remember about my
childhood was revolved around food
shows. Like, do you remember the two It
literally was called The Two Fat
Sisters?
Yeah. Two Two Fat Was it Two Fat
Sisters? Two fat ladies.
Two fat ladies. Two fat ladies. Little
motorcycle. Like that was my childhood.
I've been watching cooking shows since
the beginning of time. So for me it's
like it's home and to be a part of one
that I think is so great is an honor.
Absolutely. I feel like our generation,
we're a dying breed. Not to say to say
we're old, but I'm saying like people
who grew up watching those kinds of food
shows, it's really like transformed over
the years, which is why it was so cool
seeing, you know, on Netflix, right?
Like uh Chef Table was such an
incredible series. And then to see
Netflix now throw their hat in the ring
with the like full seasonl long kind of
procedural. Everyone, you know, gets
eliminated one week after another to
crown a champion. It was really cool to
see that on Netflix because I feel like
that was one of the first times they've
really tried that.
Oh yeah. I mean, I feel like I I hope
that that breed doesn't die. We've got
to keep this alive.
We're trying our best out here.
Well, it's the type of First of all,
it's comforting. It's feel-good. You can
kind of go to the bathroom and pick up
right where you left off. Like you don't
have to be watching every single second,
you know? We're all so consumed with our
daily lives. I just feel like food shows
are the easiest
thing to watch while also being
entertaining.
Oh, 100%. I to me I I love just having
him on in the background, but like
growing up it was uh it was Food
Network. It was almost like they were my
surrogate parents in a way. You was a
total latchy kid. You come home and
there's Rachel Ray making a comforting
30 minute meal and I'm like I can put
bagged fries and make ground turkey
chili, you know, and have a comforting
meal. So those like mean so much to me.
How much of a trip was it for you to
like actually be like hosting that?
It was such a pitch me moment. Not only
because it's the the type of show that I
personally like to watch, but you're
really around these people who are about
to have an opportunity that will change
the trajectory of their entire life.
It's the most talented chefs under 30 in
the world. So we're dealing with a
different age demographic than I think
we've seen in these shows. And it really
is a moment. It's such a pivotal time in
their career where the cash prize of
half a million dollars, which is the
highest culinary show prize his in
history. Um,
inflation's getting crazy out there.
Half a million dollars. That's wild.
I know. I know. I know. So, they you
know, you these are the chefs will
define a next gen the next generation
like the next Anthony Bourdain, the next
Thomas Keller. So, we're a part of their
journey. We all are watching it.
Yeah. It was so cool too that for the
first time I feel like it really had a
sense of place like at the culinary
institute of America which I growing up
when I was thinking about going to
culinary school I'd never ended up doing
it but I was like culinary institute in
of America in Hyde Park it's like the
Hogwarts of food and then I think one of
the contestants even says that in like
episode one they're like damn this is
like the Hogwarts of food but it was so
cool to have everything like contained
in that area but there's still so many
different like uh sets and sceneries and
and different restaurants within there
that you were able to film in. It was
just really really awesome and it was
cool that you like captured that vibe of
really like rooting for young people
that you can see a version of yourself
in.
Yeah. And you're that you see them
learning at the Culinary Institute of
America. Even the contestants
themselves, you see this
uh evolution of them from the beginning
to the end and then of course the
winner. Um it's really really it's
really cool. And also the CIA is where
some of the most prolific chefs in
history went to study. So there's so
much weight in that. And I think that
also makes that's another element of the
show that's so special.
Yeah. Yeah. When are you going to
culinary school? Are you going to
enroll?
I've already been.
Wait, you've been to
Well, I was an honorary student for a
moment in time at the Culinary Institute
of America. It was four days.
Okay. No, four days. Yeah, that that
counts. That counts enough. But
yes. No, I mean I pride myself as a home
cook and I love being a home cook. I
think being a home cook is very
important. I think my job is important
as a home cook. So, I'm okay with that.
I would I love to go to school because I
love learning. Um makes my home cooking
easier and better, but um I'm kind of
happy with wearing that hat for now.
Yeah, you and me both. I think a thing
that a lot of people don't realize about
the food world in general is that a vast
majority of the food in the world is
cooked in homes and is not cooked in
restaurants. And even some of the most
delicious food in the entire world is
cooked in homes. And I I don't know. I
kind of wish more people would actually
actually recognize that. But I think it
is tougher to like make a full, you
know, TV show out of just uh straight up
home cooking. But I think people have
tried. Yeah. You're so I was just
thinking about that the other day
because I bought salmon and um I w I I
made it at home blah blah blah you know
and I was this is the most fresh salmon
most fresh fish ever. And when you think
about it when you're eating out in a
restaurant unless they're catching it
that day which sometimes they are.
Yeah.
Odds are it's been there for a couple
days was in the freezer they took it
out. You know unless you're getting a
really nice fine dining experience. I'm
not saying that. But you know it's it is
fresher at home a lot of the time. It
really is.
No 100%. and you don't have to worry
about margins. And I remember talking to
uh my best friend in the world. He's a
Gujarati from India. And so his mom
makes like, you know, these very
regional Indian dishes. And I grew up
eating at his house two, three nights a
week because I was also interested in
food. And I remember asking his mom, I
was like, "This is the most delicious
food I've ever had in my life." All of
your family members say the same. Would
you ever open a restaurant? And she uh
you know, they generally serve like the
sweet tamarind chutney and the green
chutney and the Indian restaurants. So
delicious. and she points to the bowl of
tamarind chutney and she goes there's
like $15 worth of fresh tamarind dates
uh and like actual like molasses
imported from India in that she goes if
I had a restaurant I would have to give
that away for free which is why all the
Indian restaurants she's like they're
generally mixing like apple butter and
cutting it
and she's like so much of this is just a
labor of love that you know you can't
put into a restaurant experience and I
think that's kind of cool
it's so true you can't scale it you also
can't scale the love that you put into
it when you are making it at home.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's true. I just feel like my mom
always says that cuz she's a huge She
loves food, loves cooking, everything.
It's like she's always said to me,
having a house that smells like a
freshly home-cooked meal is important.
Like it's important for your family.
Yeah.
And I really do believe that. So anyway,
that's why cooking shows are a little
part of that.
Mhm.
They're a little part of that hug.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because food food connects people. What
was the like single most meaningful
story you heard while filming NextGen
Chef from one of the competitors?
Well, I think that Andrew's dish in the
finale was the fajita. The fajita,
was it a tenderloin?
Uh, strip loin.
Fajita strip loin. And his dad loved
fajitas. His dad died when he was a
teenager. You can only imagine how hard
that is. And to make this meal in honor
of him is beautiful. And it's just one
of those other things. It's just one of
those reminders of what food means.
Like, it really is something that
tackles all of the five senses. And for
him to be able to create a plate that
reminds him of somebody that was so
important in his life, you can't do that
with everything in life. You can't
really honor someone's memory and the
way you can, you know, you
can't taste a song. You can't, you know.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Yeah. So, I thought that was so
beautiful.
Yeah. That was the single moment in the
show where I was just like, "This is
what it's all about, baby." That was
such like a triumphant moment because
not only was it like, you know, honoring
a memory, but he like took that and kind
of ran it through this fine dining lens,
which I we were talking earlier like I
have a little bit of an anti-fine dining
bias just I think people get a little
too into, you know, these little cheffy
tricks and, you know, uh, honoring
French technique when there's a whole
world outside of France that makes very
delicious food with incredible
technique. But you could also tell with
certain chefs like that hardcore
training that they've had also means a
lot to them because for me I so much of
my early self-esteem was built through
learning how to cook. it was just sports
and cooking. And that's when I learned
that like, oh, you can kind of uh be
self-sufficient in this way and you can
kind of take control of your own life by
taking control of cooking a meal. And so
having that sort of like regimen seemed
to like mean a lot to him as well and
having those mentors in his life and I
just thought that was such a beautiful
moment.
Absolutely. The fact that he is in fine
dining and did not go to culinary
school.
Yeah.
So impressive. Yeah,
that's that is a lot of heart and soul
to get to that level without having the
training. I can't imagine. Can you?
I don't know. So, I did work for a chef
who um he came from a Michelin uh
background. There's a restaurant group
called Patina in Los Angeles that had
like all the Michelin stars and they do
like the Walt Disney Concert Hall food
and stuff. So, he came from that
background and he never went to culinary
school, but he did play like Jo football
and so he ran his kitchen. and he
eventually opened a restaurant that was
really successful in LA and he like
brought me on as a guard m when I was 22
years old, fresh out of uh out of
college, fresh off the UCLA track and
field team. And so his entire kitchen
was only filled with athletes and he
refused to hire kids from culinary
school.
Wow.
His theory was that uh culinary school
uh could make you soft. And again, he
every chef comes into every kitchen with
their own crazy biases. And that's also
part of learning how to work in an
environment. And so, uh, the first
kitchen that I worked in was just all a
bunch of athletes. No one had any formal
training other than working in
restaurants
and eating a lot of food
and eating so much food. You, that's the
thing. When you have to eat double the
calories as a gen pop person,
you get double the opportunity to learn
a
lot more time in the kitchen. I cannot
wait to tell my husband that because
even filming this show, it really does
give you an a lot of insight as into the
pursuit of excellence of each of these
chefs. You watch things like Chef's
Table, like you mentioned before, these
cooking shows with these really elite,
top-of-the- top visionaries, these
unbelievable chefs, and you know that
they are constantly chasing the pursuit
of perfection. And it reminds me a lot
of what my husband does because it's
always better, faster, stronger. Can I
do better? Of course I can. Did I hit
this? Can I get the next accolade or
break the next record? Chefs are just as
intense.
Yeah. Yeah, I call them sickos. Like
they're sickos ultimately. It's like
there's this sort of like uh intrinsic
drive that um sometimes you almost can't
turn it off in a certain way. Which is
why I'm really glad that I got into
media and I get to sit in a nice air
conditioned room um and not be running
with wind sprints uh constantly or front
squatting 500 lb and not being in a
sweaty kitchen constantly. So very
grateful that I have this cushy job, but
I do kind of miss that intensity.
Totally. It's so intense. They work so
hard.
What about your training? because from
the media side of it like that is also a
very difficult thing to do to host to
try and live within this story arc
that's going along and I think you do a
fantastic job also your your judges
Kelsey Bernard Clark was a fan of from
Top Chef but like where did you uh like
draw that inspiration from to like
actually perform as a host?
I was really honestly so honored to be
there. I was so honored to be with among
such greatness the J Kelsey Carlton, all
of the contestants, the CIA. I mean, it
really is the Hogwarts of culinary
school. It's such a cool place. Um,
and I I just I just Yeah. I don't know.
I don't even know how to answer that
because I felt like it came so
naturally, but it was because I was just
among such inspiring people.
Yeah. No, that's really cool. And also,
you grew up watching all of this. I'm
sure you had, you know, these hosts that
you remember from actually watching it
to sort of like drop off.
Totally. Absolutely. Yes.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's an incredible
show. Everybody check it out. But today,
we got to get down to the topic at hand.
And that is now that you've concluded
your first season of a full culinary
competition show in Crowned a Winner. I
want to run through a bunch of fictional
chefs and see how you think they would
fare in a NextGen Chef style
competition. We're not putting an age
limit on this because frankly, I don't
know how rats age. I think rat ears are
similar to dog ears in a sense.
Uh that's a little too long for me. I
wish we're a little shorter. Maybe like
the lifespan of a bee. That's like two
weeks.
Fair. Fair. But who do you think the
best fictional chefs of all time are
that could actually compete in a
competition and win?
Okay. So, I thought about this.
Obviously, we have Remy the Rat from
Ratatouille.
Yeah. Yeah. I think Remy would have to
come with a sort of human avatar that
he's controlling. Yes.
Which what's his what's his name in the
movie? It's like linguini.
Linguini.
Oh yeah, linguini.
Linguini. Yeah, but linguini is not the
chef. It's Remy. Linguini is the vessel.
Exactly.
You would have Remy under your hat
controlling what you do.
He would be telling me what to do. Like
a lot more salt.
Um I al Oh, Little Mermaid, Chef Louie.
Wait, I'm not familiar with Chef. I've
never seen The Little Mermaid.
He's trying He's trying to kill
Sebastian. It's a very brief period of
the movie. I was going to say this is a
plot in The Little Mermaid where there's
a chef that is trying to kill Sebastian
is
the crab.
He's the crab, but I think Wait, is he a
crab or lobster?
What do they call him? Cuz he has
He's a crab that looks like a like a
small lobster. Maybe like a crate
crawfish.
I did once read a marine biologist. I've
never seen the movie, but I read a
marine biologist breaking down exactly
what type of creature Sebastian was. And
I think they use the term Jamaican squat
lobster, which is not technically
that this is why you have a podcast. Who
the hell would know that?
But also, I've never seen the movie, so
I've missed the entire cultural context
of it.
Well, how did you just know that?
I was
impressed.
The things that stick in my brain. Thank
you so much.
Did you watch The Parent Trap?
I did watch the Parent Trap. Huge fan of
the Parent Trap. Oh, it's a crab. Okay.
Yeah. I don't know why I knew that, but
it he does not really look like a crab.
No,
we can all agree with that. Okay.
But I love that there's a chef trying to
chase him down. Just be like, "What do
you taste like?"
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
The whole uh I think it was a a
block knife.
Oh, like a Yeah. Cleaver kind of thing
around with it.
Cleaver. Yep. That's it. Um my next
fictitious kitchen. And wait, what is a
fictitious chef?
Yeah. Yeah.
Fictitious chef is from the parent trap.
Chess
talking chess.
Yes.
Given given life advice, too. She's like
the voice of reason in the room, you
know, the down to earth.
She's she just feels like she could whip
anything up and I like someone like that
in my life.
I respect that. How do you think she
would actually fair though if cuz
there's always like the competitor who
can obviously make really good tasty
food but then they sort of get into the
later rounds and some of their flaws
start to be exposed where it's like
hey you made a really tasty bite of food
but also like
is this actually next level enough to
compete with these other people have
fine dining experience? Do you think
Chesse would eventually get found out?
Cuz I could see her as like a mid round
skating through the first couple rounds.
People are burning pastries, but then
once she gets to the finals, it's like,
does she have the firepower?
I know. I I I hate to say this, but I
think you're right. She's calm, cool,
and collected. That's what gets her as
far as she does. And then, you know, it
just push comes to shove. She just
doesn't have the fine dining experience.
Needs to be wellrounded.
I know that's tough. That's tough. But I
do respect the chess pick.
Yeah. Uh, who else is it is my favorite?
Who else? What do you Who do you think?
I I got I got a couple here. Um, I think
I have a lot of hard and fast opinions
about um, food media if you couldn't
tell. I think the greatest cooking movie
ever made is Chef. Have you seen Chef by
John Fabro?
Yes, I think I have. Who Who else is in
it?
Uh, Sophia Vgara plays his ex-wife. Um,
John Leguisamo is his sue chef. Bobby
Canaval is like his line cook. Um,
there's a weird cameo by Rob Low. I
think
I'm confusing this with a another Chef
movie, but I can't remember where.
Are you talking about burnt with Bradley
Cooper?
Yes. Yes, duh. Of course,
they came out at
of course
I think very firmly that um Chef is the
greatest food movie of all time and
Burnt is the worst food movie of all
time
and it's incredible. If you watch them
back toback, it's like um the people
that made Chef, which was John Fabro, uh
written, directed, and starred. And then
he had chef Roy Choy, who's one of my
favorite chefs of all time, do all of
the like food styling production on it.
Oh. But it's this beautiful love letter
to food and even just the way they
filmed it is incredible. And it's about
this like fine dining chef who gets
stuck in a rut a little bit having to
cook the like, you know, caviar and
fileman type of food and then he leaves
everything to start like a Cubano food
truck and drives around and bonds with
his son and it's such beautiful
storytelling.
Okay, I have to watch that. I'm going to
watch them back to back. I need a
refresher. I'm burnt now that you've
told me that it's the worst movie of all
time. during the by-week, do a double
feature on a Sunday. Like, it's going to
be incredible. Uh, but then Burnt on the
other hand, it's like they clearly hate
food.
Like, they they at no point do they ever
tell you the name of a single dish that
Bradley Cooper as a chef is making.
Oh, no.
And they just The only indication that
he's actually a good chef is that um Uma
Thurman, as a food critic, will take a
bite of food and go,
that's that is linger on her face.
Yeah, that's disappointing. Do you know
how to hold a knife? Let's start there.
So, he actually did, which is the
interesting thing.
That's what I always look for first.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you see someone
like spllaying their fingers as they're
chopping.
Yeah. Dead giveaway.
I know. I know. But like I love when you
can see the hands very obviously switch
in the middle.
Yeah. Or just wrong placement on the
knife in general.
Yeah.
It happens.
It does. But uh
that's what you can that's how I usually
know I can spot the losers in the show
really quickly.
Oh, interesting.
Yeah. Oh, so nice skills are
pretty. Yes. If you can't if you don't
have nice skills, which by the way, as a
home cook, I don't as well, but you can
just tell.
No, you you and me both. Those are like
the things that um I'm very confident in
me being able to cook good food. But if
I were actually on a competition show
like NextGen Chef, and they were like,
"Filt this whole benino perfectly," I'd
be like, "Hold up, let me watch a
YouTube tutorial." And that probably
wouldn't get me very far. So, there are
these kind of things that some home
cooks are missing. I would also just
rust the branzino in a hole and use that
as an excuse.
Yeah. Like, yes, it's fine dining.
It's rustic. It's rustic.
Put a foam on top.
Exactly. But I think Carl Casper from
Chef, I think the reason he's the
ultimate competition show fictional chef
is because he has that fine dining
experience. He's obviously been there,
done that. He can do all the technique,
but you get all of that personal
intrinsic storytelling of driving a food
truck across the country to bond with
his son. Can imagine him presenting to
the judges. Oh yeah.
I think to me he wins
a shoe in if
America's sweetheart if you will.
Truly
he will capture America's heart.
Conversely, Bradley Cooper from Burnt. I
haven't even remembered the name of his
actual character, but Bradley Cooper
from Burnt. The funny thing about that
movie is the script I think was written
10 years before the movie got made. And
so it was kind of written in this like
2005 like bad boy rockstar chef era
where it was like considered cool to be
the Gordon Ramsay type that's screaming
and throwing plates.
Yeah.
And so the movie really glorifies that.
That's not cool anymore.
No, certainly not. I you know it wasn't
cool back then, but we treated it like
it was for some sort of weird reason.
Oh no.
And so uh Bradley Cooper from Chef I
think would get kicked out of the house
uh episode three because somebody messes
with his Mison Plus and he throws a
plate at the wall. Yeah, it would be it
would be an attitude thing for sure. He
like would bring down the whole brigade,
something like that.
Oh, 100%.
And everybody would turn on him and be
like, "Get this guy out of here."
Was there any like crazy drama that
happened during Next NextGen Chef?
Like were there any like personal
infighting between contestants that you
didn't expect?
I'm sure everybody was very PC that and
they were very shy in a way, you know.
They they really I didn't I don't think
that anybody wanted to tell on each
other, but there's always things that
happen behind the scenes that um
no one wants to put bring to light.
Oh, sure, sure, sure. We can keep those
buried. Um,
yeah.
Sometimes though, speaking of the the
previous era where people thought things
were good ideas, um, maybe my favorite
competition show of all time, it was
called, well, favorite very lowercase F
because it's maybe the worst show ever,
but it was called House of Food on MTV.
I remember that.
Do you remember that?
I was just thinking like we need like a
road rules like cooking show.
Oh my god. MTV tried maybe 12 years ago
or something, maybe a little less, maybe
10 years ago. I actually tried to write
an oral history um about this uh because
I was a journalist, but then everybody
of course signed NDAs and oral history
never happened. But I think episode
four, a male contestant threw a toaster
at a female contestant and they just
aired it like it was a cool dramatic
thing. Oh no.
And people like we can't do this
anymore. So occasionally you get wild
cards like Bradley Cooper from Burnt and
they're don't think it would do well.
I mean you can be intense but you can't
throw posters at people.
We don't advocate that. Um, do you have
any other any other fictional chefs you
think?
Suki from Gilmore Girls. Don't you just
think that she would be like a warm hug?
I've never
seen Gilmore. I've seen a couple
episodes. No. Well, no, no, no. I am a
big fan of Amy Sherman Paladino's
dialogue and I've watched probably six
episodes of Gilmore Girls.
You didn't get off the bus from school
and immediately get yourself a snack and
sit down and watch Gilmore Girls every
single day of high school and middle
school.
I think I was watching Smart Guy, which
is also a really fun show, but I wasn't.
I wish I probably would have been a
better person had I been doing that
though.
Yeah. And yes, you know,
you would. I agree.
What was Suki's specialty in Gilmore
Girls?
I just There's a coffee shop, right?
Yes. And she just brought levity, you
know. So, I think she would be
lighthearted. I think that she would
bring a little bit of that lightness
that you need in a kitchen. It's
important. But again, similar to Chessy,
I think when push comes to shove, she
would probably miss a little bit of the
finetuning, the refinement that's needed
to really win.
Yeah. Yeah. but very important person in
the brigade.
Nonetheless,
you need the comic relief in any sort of
group. And also,
NextGen Chef had the perfect comic
relief and Sydney Rubenstein.
Oh, exactly.
Rooting for Big Sid the whole time.
Oh gosh. You know, when he cried, I just
I cried.
Oh, man. Oh, so such a big hug. I know.
Yeah. Exactly.
That's the thing with all these people
on the show. I'm just like, they're
young. They have their whole lives ahead
of them.
It's true. You know what I mean?
It's true. I know. And even when they
get picked at the end, like you know, to
help other their other chefs, you know,
like it's kind of hard to explain this
on a podcast, but basically the chefs
that are in the finals get an
opportunity to pick their sue chefs who
are the people who had already been
eliminated. Yeah. Um and they have
really good attitudes about it and you
can tell like they're really fighting
for their for their leader even though
they got booted off the show.
I hope the winning chef kicked him a
couple grand after that cuz like you got
to kick him. I have I have one more
pitch for a fictional chef. Hear me out.
Have you seen the movie The Menu?
Yes. Yes,
Julian Sloic from the menu.
No, that whole movie I I I hope it
doesn't offend anybody. But that really
that really scarred me. I was not a fan.
Wait, you like it scarred you, but you
also weren't cuz it scarred me, but I
was a fan.
Was not a fan. It just goes against
everything that I know to be true about
food.
Like you just bait people in to murder
them. That's bizarre.
I know. I notic you want the wild card
energy on the show. I think he's going
to make it to the finale and then you
have the ultimate villain to root for
before he ultimately sets the kitchen on
fire. That's my final pick. Julian
Sloic. He's winning season two of Next
Gen Show.
That was a wild show. You brought me
back to the pandemic with that one.
You're welcome.
Because that was when that was airing
when we were all like
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All right, Olivia, we've heard what you
and I have to say. Now it's time to find
out what other wacky ideas are rattling
out there in the universe. It's time for
a segment we call opinions are like
casserles.
[Music]
It's a play on opinions or like gas.
Yeah, you get it. You get it.
I get it.
What is your opinion?
Oh, let's see what the opinions are.
Meg, you want to play them up?
Yeah.
Well, that message was a was a bit of a
trip. Anyway, my hot take is
tell you a story.
Strawberries and brown Dijon mustard.
Now, it sounds disgusting, but I tell
you what, it is absolutely delicious.
Love the podcast you guys. Thanks for
listen.
What's the level of sp I mean he lost
me. I gotta be honest, but there's so
many different mustards. Is it spicy? Is
it mild?
I'm thinking there's a brand called
Golden's. Do you know Golden's brown
mustard? That's like the brown mustard I
grew up eating.
Yeah.
I feel like he's talking something like
that.
Oh god. No. That's a no.
Do you dip? Cuz like I I love eating
fresh fruit. lovely healthy snack filled
with fiber, but I feel like so many
people will try and find something to
dip it in to avoid just eating the
delicious fresh fruit.
True.
Do you have anything like that?
Well, if it's not fresh, then I get it.
By the way, like balsamic with
strawberries is a thing. So, I get I get
what he's pulling from, but you should
just try balsamic with strawberries.
100%. There was a trend, God, it was
maybe four years ago on TikTok during
the pandemic. People were dipping
watermelon and like yellow mustard.
Yeah. Oh, no. I tried that and I was
like, "Eat the watermelon, put some
salt, put some taheen on it."
It's true. And I'm gonna say this as an
Italian and I and I hate to say this
because I try to like this every time,
but if you have an amazing cantaloupe
and you wrap it with pushcuto, it's
better just the cantaloupe.
100% agree.
Cuz it's too juicy and then the pushcido
is too chewy. So they don't
They leave your mouth at different
times.
Yeah, exactly. It needs to be an unripe
bad cantaloupe. Then you have to wrap it
in the pushcuto. I'm so glad you feel
that way because I've felt crazy every
time that I say that it's a really bad
combination.
Um but yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Too juicy. Like a great cantaloupe.
We're talking a great one.
I I agree with watermelon and feta as
well. I think it's a bad combo.
I I
I don't do it.
I think with a little bit of mint I can
get behind it just because it's not all
one bite. Like you're not it it it can
be consumed together.
But uh like let's say let's say you had
a watermelon gaspacho and you had the
feta cheese on top with a little bit of
mint. Like that's good.
I like that.
So in your mouth it's kind of the same
thing. So I'm okay with that.
You have to make the gasp you're making
the gaspacho in your mouth by chewing
it.
Yeah. Exactly. Little balsamic.
It sounds wonderful. There's something
about though the way that cuz feta has
so much salt in it and then you put salt
on watermelon, it draws the moisture
out. So if you like toss a feta and
watermelon salad, the end of it is just
like a feta scented watermelon murky
dishwater soup.
I don't want to drink. I don't want that
part.
No, I'll I'll drink it. I'll I'll take
it like a shot. Uh
yeah,
I resp I respect your If you're enjoying
the mustard and strawberries, keep doing
it, dude. It's a good healthy snack.
Strawberry.
Good lord, y'all.
Oh, wow.
That's just too sexy for a hot dog as a
sandwich.
You have to call the hotline to see what
they're talking about. I want to know
how do you make garlic balls? Not the
kind with dough on them.
Huh?
The kind that are like at parties and
you stick a toothpick in it.
Gosh.
And then your breath smells bad the
whole night and then people stay away
from you. So I really need to know how
to make them to make people stay away
from me.
I think she's talking about a roast
angel ba roasted bulb of garlic.
Is that what you say? Garlic balls. Not
the kind with dough on them. What does
that mean? Ice.
I think it's like a It's like a bulb. A
garlic bulb roasted. Okay.
You know, like at a safe house, you cut
it in half and it's and then you can
like dip the bread in it. I think she
might be talking about that
potentially.
Well, cuz what else is a garlic ball?
So, I searched garlic balls party. Um,
and this is what's come up. But this she
said specifically it's not a dough. So,
there's no it's not like a garlic knot
or something. Here's some sort of garlic
cheese ball
with a toothpick though. I can only
imagine that that's with the cloves
potentially. I
I don't want to go to her parties.
I have a really hot take. That's all I
know.
I have a really hot take about the
garlic and onion breath of it all. I
like the smell of garlic. I like the
smell of onions. I When people brush
their teeth, they're generally using a
peppermint flavored toothpaste.
Peppermint is just a viable culinary
flavor along with garlic, along with
onion. I think you should rock garlic
breath proudly at a party. But you can
say minty fresh about that.
Garicky fresh. Olivia as an Italian
woman. Garlicky fresh.
Maybe I'm a vampire.
That could be it.
Is there like a a like smell to you?
Like a perfect food smell?
Yes.
What is it?
Bread. 100% bread.
Yes. Bread. You just I know that there's
nothing better.
Yeah. Just
Can you top that? Like it's the best. I
mean, although there, you know, like
when you walk into an ice cream shop and
it's the cones that smell so good and
then they never taste as good as they
smell. But as far as like what I would
want my house to smell like when
somebody comes in, like a warm hug, I
really do think it's fresh bread for me.
I to me butter saut or onion sautéing
and butter. I think it's really hard to
beat
that. Yeah, that's that is like when you
when that scent drops, you're like
dinner is about to it's coming.
I know. It's so funny cuz like my I cook
dinner every night for my wife and
she'll like walk in the door and just go
like, "Oh my god, smells so good.
Dinner's going to be so delicious." I'm
like, "It's just onions. It's just
onions." And it's true.
Thank Thank you. I love you for having
faith, but it is just onions that you're
smelling.
That's a good smell, too.
That's more of like an evening smell. I
feel like the fresh bread is more of a
morning smell. Like I want to wake up.
But then there's also bacon
in the morning. You gota, you know, you
have like two and a half hour clusters.
You know, you got to have like the bacon
smell followed by a kind of like maybe
10:30, 11:00 a.m. bread that transitions
into onions. Then by the night time, you
got fresh baked chocolate chip cookies.
You know what? Bakers hours 500 a.m.
bread. 8 a.m. bacon.
Smart.
Noon. H God, I don't know. And then
dinner, it's going to be a onion garlic
thing. I I realize I need to change the
morning sense in my life because today I
unwrapped the same protein bar that I've
been eating every single morning at like
5:45 a.m. forever and I smelled it and
it triggered a gag reflex.
No, no, that's
so I need to change something.
That's my cue. That's my sign. Uh Meg,
you have time for one more.
Let's rip one more. It just it smelled
like hamster cage and
No.
Hi Josh and Nicole. Um me and my friends
had this debate uh about peas.
Frozen versus canned.
Oh,
frozen is better.
Please uh let
my friends know
that the uh frozen is better than
canned. Thank you.
Oh my gosh, how cute.
I love the debates that they're having.
We love you, too.
He said, "Love you."
And I love frozen peas.
A okay. I personally think that frozen
peas are better than
just because of the preservatives that
they put in the cans. But I will say I
had a really one of my best friends in
in high school every day would eat
string beans out of the can and I always
thought that was so weird. And it tastes
nothing like a fresh string green bean.
No,
nothing like it. So I get it's totally
different. So it's just a matter of
taste preference really. But hands down
is what's more fresh is going to be
frozen peas.
Also like frozen vegetables huge
advocate of cuz a lot of the times
they're actually they're picked at peak
ripess where like peas are such a spring
vegetable. I remember there was an
episode of Iron Chef America. I think it
was Iron Chef America in the early 2000s
where it was just battle frozen peas.
Wow. because they're like peas actually
get better when you pick them at peak
harvest and freeze them because they
have a short shelf life anyways because
it's such a green verdant vegetable that
freezing them is actually the optimal
way to preserve a pee.
Okay. Well, you just made that guy's
life.
Yeah, take that to your friends.
He's going to like his heels will be
clicking on his way to report that
information.
Nutrient preservation, too. Frozen
food's incredible for it. Canned, it
kind of washes out in the liquid.
All right. Okay. And also, they do say
that canned food has aluminum because of
the can. Uh, which I didn't know.
I just assume I'm eating so many
macrolastics and micro metals and
everything is just shredding my
digestive system. The protein bars smell
like hamster cage and I don't know what
to do about it, Olivia. I need help.
We need to start meal prepping so that
you can avoid that those bars.
Oh god, I know. I know. But oh man, if I
eat any eggs in the morning or something
and I go to the gym, it's a bad sign for
me. I can't taste eggs on the treadmill.
But I guess the protein bars are making
We'll figure that out. I have a lot to
consider.
You can make protein balls. You can make
overnight oats.
Oh, that'd be a good idea.
Overnight oats. You can add your protein
powder to them.
Stop trying to change me.
Uh, this has been truly incredible.
Thank you so much for stopping by the
pod. Um, you want to tell them what else
you got going on? Just NextGen Chef on
Netflix. Stay tuned to see who the
winner is.
It's gonna shock you tonight at 8:00
p.m. No, go watch on Netflix. It's It's
really an incredible show and like
congrats on everything. Um truly it's a
spectacular show and all the success is
so welld deserved.
Thanks. I'm glad you like it. I'm glad I
have the stamp of approval.
Season 2 is coming or what?
It better be. I mean, I I I hope.
I I accept your offer to guest judge
episode 6.
Yes.
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chef

/ʃɛf/

B2
  • noun
  • - a professional cook, especially the chief cook in a restaurant or hotel

cooking

/ˈkʊkɪŋ/

B1
  • noun
  • - the process of preparing food by heating it
  • verb
  • - to prepare food by heating it

competition

/ˌkɒmpəˈtɪʃən/

B2
  • noun
  • - an event in which contestants compete to win, often in cooking or other skills

taste

/teɪst/

B1
  • noun
  • - the sensation produced when a substance in the mouth stimulates taste receptors
  • verb
  • - to perceive or experience the flavor of something

sandwich

/ˈsændwɪtʃ/

A2
  • noun
  • - two pieces of bread with filling placed between them

hotdog

/ˈhɒtˌdɒɡ/

A2
  • noun
  • - a grilled or steamed sausage served in a split roll

flavor

/ˈfleɪvə(r)/

B1
  • noun
  • - the distinctive taste of a food or drink

restaurant

/ˈrɛstrɒnt/

B1
  • noun
  • - a place where meals are prepared and served to customers

culinary

/ˈkʌlɪˌnɛri/

B2
  • adjective
  • - relating to cooking or the kitchen

podcast

/ˈpɒdˌkɑːst/

B2
  • noun
  • - a digital audio program made available for download or streaming

recipe

/ˈrɛsɪpi/

B1
  • noun
  • - a set of instructions for preparing a particular dish

ingredient

/ɪnˈɡriːdiənt/

B2
  • noun
  • - any of the foods or substances that are combined to make a dish

technique

/tekˈniːk/

B2
  • noun
  • - a method or way of doing something, especially in cooking

judge

/dʒʌdʒ/

B1
  • noun
  • - a person who evaluates and scores contestants in a competition
  • verb
  • - to form an opinion about something after careful consideration

favourite

/ˈfeɪv(ə)rɪt/

B1
  • adjective
  • - preferred over all others; most liked

intense

/ɪnˈtens/

B2
  • adjective
  • - extremely strong or great in degree

delicious

/dɪˈlɪʃəs/

A2
  • adjective
  • - highly pleasing to the taste

creative

/kriˈeɪtɪv/

B1
  • adjective
  • - having the ability to produce original ideas or things

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