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I came across

a great quote by Trey Parker, as you know, the co-creator of South Park.

Someone asked him why South Park become political.

He said politics has become pop culture.

He's trying to give you an alibi.

He's going after Trump

with South Park because he hates Trump, and he's trying to expose through humor

the hypocrisy and the meanness and the viciousness.

Trump does not find it funny.

Trust me, he hates it.

I'm Joanna Coles.

This is the Daily Beast podcast.

Who better to have on this week than Anthony Scaramucci

to help us sift through the emails, the files

and of course, his most recent very provocative Instagram post,

which is entitled The End of the Trump Presidency.

Anthony is, of course, the short lived

white House press spokesperson for Donald Trump.

He's also the founder of SkyBridge capital, and he has his own podcast

with a brilliant British podcaster, Katty Kay.

The rest is politics.

So no time to waste.

Let's get into it.

Anthony Scaramucci, thrilled to have you back.

Let's get straight into it.

It's good to be back, Joanna.

Well, I want to speak about a very provocative post you

put on Instagram entitled, The End of the Trump Presidency.

What did you mean?

Well, he's a lame duck,

and things happen faster in our civilization than ever before.

We put our Christmas lights up like my days before Halloween.

The stores get decorated in September for Christmas.

You know, we know things are happening a lot faster.

He's a lame duck and he's racing

now towards the midterm elections and his lame duck status.

And his party hates him.

And so anybody that thinks the party likes him doesn't understand the party.

And that could be the donors who hold their nose and give him money,

or that could be the political class that leaves them in Washington.

And I submit to you that if you're inside Trump's inner orbit,

you hate the guy's guts.

And he knows that you know that.

But there's a dance because you're afraid of him,

because he's intimidating you, because of his political prowess

and his media presence.

He's sort of the big furry sasquatch of social media.

And you don't want him Bigfoot in your ass. Right.

So you're afraid of him, but you hate his guts.

And the time has come now where the surface cracks

are becoming more structural and foundation cracks.

And you can't look at what happened yesterday

where you had 420 people vote in the same direction.

The entire Senate voted in the same direction.

Look at me. I'm scratching my nose.

For those of you on YouTube, I'm scratching my nose with a middle finger.

That's a big F.U.

To Donald Trump. And so?

So his presidency is ending.

And there's a lot of people in Washington.

When they get dressed in the morning,

they see the 48th president and they don't see him as the 48th president.

So Steve Bannon can say whatever the hell he wants.

Trump's not going to be president in 2029.

There'll be a new president.

Democrats are still in disarray and unless they figure it out,

it'll probably be a Republican president.

But they still have time.

But they want to shoot at each other.

You know, they are so self-righteous and so picayune.

You know, if you say one thing wrong to a progressive, they are

you can say seven things and they say, oh, well, I voted for Andrew Cuomo.

Okay, I hate you.

You're canceled.

Okay, well, then you're not going to win an election.

So so that's what's going on.

The presidency is ending.

And the power that he has is ending.

I think the Supreme Court

is going to really finish him off at the end of the month of December.

They're going to decide against the.

There's no constitutional purview

for him to be able to tax his citizens without representation.

That is a foundational thing.

The reason why we broke from

your old country was no taxation without representation.

So that's a foundational thing.

So when that nail goes in the coffin, you know, he'll be gasping.

Now, he'll be lunging left and right and threatening and acting bombastic

and calling people piggy, and they're stupid and all this other

ridiculous nonsense that he does that just makes people hate him more.

So again, you have seething hatred.

You have disorganized Democrats that could have finished them a year ago,

but they don't know how to do that.

But the Republicans have had enough and they're signaling that to you.

So that's what I think.

So how important is the figure of Marjorie Taylor Greene in all this?

Because she's not someone

you would have expected to perhaps lead the vanguard against Trump, and yet

she seems to have illuminated the cracks, perhaps more than anybody else.

Well, I think she's important on a number of different levels.

The first level and this is something, again,

the progressives don't understand, because I did Don lemon show

last night at the City Winery, and they hate Marjorie Taylor Greene.

You know, I don't hate Marjorie Taylor Greene.

If Marjorie Taylor Greene is walking back,

we need to create an off ramp for her at a Maga land.

You always said this about Elon Musk.

That the Democrats should have extended the olive branch to Elon Musk to.

To widen the tent.

There are two righteous oh, Elon Musk women.

Trump. He's canceled now forever.

Okay, dummies, wake up this politics be practical.

Create an off ramp for people.

Even if you think Marjorie Taylor Greene is disingenuous,

there was some progressive guru that went over her body

language and said that she's disingenuous or some shit like that.

Who gives? Who gives?

Take the messaging from her.

Okay, she got stung by Trump because here's

the axiomatic fact everyone gets stung by Trump.

You break from Trump.

This is how you get stung by Trump.

You take too high of a profile.

You take some attention from them.

You'll get stung by Trump.

You go against him, you'll get stung by Trump.

Okay?

And so she won against them because she read through the file.

It said, this is ridiculous.

We campaigned on this.

We don't want billionaires and high profile

politicians cavorting with a sex trafficker.

We don't want them protecting a sex trafficker.

And this is ridiculous. People feel left out.

You know, Joanna, the populist movement lives in this country

and it lives in the UK because people feel disenfranchized and they feel left out.

So she's speaking to those people.

So around Mandy is speaking to those people.

They're like, hey man, this has not been fair to me.

Elon's going to be a trillionaire.

His buddy Peter Thiel is going to be a half a trillionaire.

But it's not fair to us.

We're not doing well.

And so we need these people to wake up

and help us to do better, or we want to demolish these people.

And so she represents that.

And and Trump is not playing well, you know, I said on my podcast

that he's on his back foot.

He's not playing properly.

You know, a week ago I was in Sydney, Australia.

I said if Trump was on his game, he would support the release of the file.

He knows

his bad stuff in the file about him, but he supports the release of the file.

He'll go to his base, who are a bunch of cultist lunatics, and I'll say, hey,

I supported the release of the file, so everything in the file is fake news,

and everything in the file is a miss piggy journalism.

And everything in the file is not against me in this.

Bazel, beat the drum saying, well, he supported it.

And then over the weekend

he flipped over to supporting you because he was going to lose disastrously.

But he's off his game.

He looks tired, he looks bloated.

The, the orange tubing, the shit that comes out of the tube

that he's putting on his face is all mesh of gotcha.

I mean, what is he doing?

Splotches everywhere.

You know, he's got to get one of those little powder puffs.

You know what I mean?

You know, and and put it on evenly.

The guy must be rubbing it on with his fingers or something.

I mean, looks terrible.

So, I mean, he's off his game mentally.

He's tired.

His ankles are swollen. He looks terrible.

His whole, vicious attacks on people.

It's not, you know, it's bad for the country.

It's not what the country stands for is bad for the country.

So again, he's he's polling at 36 right now.

You mentioned Marjorie Taylor Greene.

He goes below 30.

Joanna, they're all coming out of the woodwork.

Okay?

They'll be burning MAGA hats if I didn't support him

or I only supported him for this reason.

And now I don't support him. You.

You watch how these guys turn.

You know, Truman said if you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog, okay?

Even the dogs buy it in this Washington, okay?

There's no friendships here, Matt, Marjorie and Trump are telling each other

that our relationship is now over, and she knows that.

He knows that. And she's effective.

And you can hate her as a progressive or as a liberal.

That's fine.

But you need ten more Marjorie Taylor Greens.

And then the Humpty Dumpty comes off the wall.

And you can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

So it's it's about to end. Yeah, it's it's,

you know,

and way what I love about people is they see things linearly

and they see his bombast and they're like, oh, it's going to go on forever.

But it's not the way people hate it.

The people, the people in power.

Joanna, you're a good journalist.

Pick up the phone and call these people

quietly or call their aides, go take them out for a drink.

They hate the guy.

They hate the guy, okay?

They hate me.

You know, he's like President Liberace, though, with the decorating me

some sort of unbelievable with the decorating.

I was going to ask you, what do you think?

In the Epstein files.

And as we know, Trump once famously said that he could stand on Fifth Avenue

and and shoot somebody and nothing would happen to him.

His base would still be with him.

Do you think that is changing now?

What? What would it what would it take?

This is this is about pedophilia and this is about sex trafficking.

And so this is beyond the pale now.

So I don't think he can survive that.

Well, we don't know that he's actually done that right.

I mean, I can say that he did it.

No, I know you did, but I'm just I'm just being careful here.

And you have different libel laws in us and stuff,

so I'm not accusing him of anything.

Okay? I have to wait to see what's in it.

But I think there's enough people that have seen it, whether it's Nancy Mace

or Laura Boebert or Marjorie Taylor Greene or Tom Massie

or Elon Musk, who tweeted out that Trump was in the files,

there's enough people that have seen it that, no, he's too close to the fire.

So I'm not accusing him of anything, but I'll just go off of the words

of Thomas Massie.

You know, he may not have done anything wrong,

but he knew of wrongdoing, a result of which are too close to the fire.

You know, you probably don't remember Joe Paterno,

but Joe Paterno was a very I do I Penn State okay.

Yeah. Okay.

So he was a very famous high profile coach at Penn State.

Jerry Sandusky was abusing people and he was a child abuser.

May be dead now or in jail.

And and people knew that Joe knew.

And Joe let it slide and it cost him his head coaching job.

And he died unceremoniously because you're too close to the situation.

I'm not saying that Joe did anything.

I'm not saying that.

But he's they were too close to the situation.

Trump is too close to the situation and he's on his back foot.

Joanna.

Because if you're on your back foot, you're fighting for 4 or 5 months

to put your finger in the dam to keep the thing from coming out.

Right.

And so you can't tell me because I'm not Sherlock Holmes and you're not Watson.

But you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes or Watson.

Okay?

The windows open, clip clop.

It's a zebra or a horse.

I know it's a horse. It's Occam's razor.

You don't fight like that to keep that stuff under wraps.

Now people say, well, he's going to say

there's ongoing investigations and they're going to redact a lot of it.

But you have to remember something about the American government.

It's out there, okay.

You know, there's 25 different copies and 25 different jurisdictions.

And of course, the Epstein estate has it.

And Mark Epstein has it.

So it's getting out there now.

You know, it's going to be out there and it's not going to be fully redacted.

And people are going to know.

And I'm not say he's going to knock it out of office for this,

but his power is going to be liquidated as a result of this.

The guy's finished.

I mean, and and by the way, that's not wishful thinking on my part.

That is a analysis based on the break.

Let's go over the break.

400 plus members of the House of Representatives,

one nutjob from Louisiana don't know who the guy is,

but to me, it's an embarrassment that a state he votes with Trump.

I don't know what he's doing. Okay.

And then the Senate, it's a hundo 100%.

And by the way, Thune again, I'm scratching my my nose.

Thune did this to Johnson.

Johnson walked out of there. Pierce.

He wanted 3 or 4 different amendments in the bill

to provide more protection for Trump because he's a Trump lackey.

But Thune hates Trump.

Do you have to be a rocket scientist to know that John

Thune and Trump are antipodes of each other?

No, he's he's kowtowing to them because he's afraid of them.

He doesn't want to get primaried

and knocked out of his state like Liz Cheney, but he's biding his time.

But last night, no amendments in the Senate bill

and 100% of the people voted with it.

You know, Trump's no dummy, by the way. He knows.

He knows he's playing off his back foot.

He knows he's in trouble.

But I predict he'll stay.

I predict they'll stay in the presidency.

He'll grift another ten.

He was he was heading the grift 20 bills.

You know, he's made about four so far.

I predict he'll make another 5 or 10 billion over the next three years.

Will stay in the presidency.

It'll be embarrassing. It'll be horrific.

It'll be graphically insulting to the rest of the world.

And most Americans.

And then he'll leave, you know, when he leaves.

He's not

not running for a third term or anything like that.

I mean, come on.

Right.

Well, you're painting this grim picture, and yet, you know, there was this huge

dinner for, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia this week.

You had the entire tech industry coming out to pay homage.

I mean, you could say that Trump is on his back foot,

but it felt like he was very much on his front foot for that dinner.

He still had captains of industry around the table who know that they need him.

He's sitting in a seat of power, and he's proven to people

that he's willing to use the power in a politically motivated way.

He's going to go after his adversaries.

Jeff Bezos was against him in the first term.

He's with them now.

The all those guys were against them.

They're with him now because they don't want to be the law

firm in New York that's paying $100 million of this or that.

They don't want to be Harvard University.

They don't want to be, attacked

with the cudgel of the American government.

Every one of those people got the memo.

Pam Bondi in addition to being the attorney general,

happens to be the head of the Trump family law firm.

And so if we got to go after somebody or we got to use

the power of the federal government indiscriminately

to attack people, they just announced something last week.

I don't remember what it was.

You probably do, but I was like, laughing.

It's just another joke case. Okay?

Going after Comey, the judge is ridiculing him for the jokes,

but they know Comey's got to spend a lot of money to do this.

And so, you know, Jeff Bezos doesn't want to spend that money.

Rather give it to Melania for a documentary.

Okay. So they'll still stay in line with them.

And by the way, Richard Nixon was hosting state dinners

and he was doing all the bells and whistles stuff,

and he looked quite imperious in June and July.

And then he left in August of 1974.

So Trump's not leaving.

I'm not predicting that he's leaving. They're not going to knock him

out of office. They don't have the guts to do that.

But he'll be in office.

If they lose.

The house will be tons of investigations that will go nowhere,

and there'll be a lot of drum beating about that.

But nothing will happen.

But his power is going to be down.

His power will be down a notch.

They're going to vote against him on a lot of things that he doesn't like.

Okay.

And I predict this will be more beneficial to Ukraine

and it'll be more beneficial to our allies.

And by the way,

we haven't gotten to the tariffs, but, you know, I would like to come back on

after the Supreme Court makes that decision

because we want to know if we have a country or not. Right.

You know, because if they rule against them,

then you and I will have the conversation

while we got a country, you know, they ruled against them.

I think it's completely bogus. Rand Paul's on it.

All the constitutional lawyers are on it.

He lost in the district court.

He lost in the appellate court.

You heard Roberts

and some of the other judges like, what the hell is going on here?

Yeah, Gorsuch was really getting into it.

So I predict they're going to rule now.

They may split the baby and they may say, listen, we're going to grant him

emergency privileges for the first six months of his presidency.

So all those tariffs that are paid up

until now are good to go and stuck in the US Treasury.

But he's got to now go back to the Congress

and ask the Congress to ratify the 40 hours.

That's that's splitting the baby.

I predict that that's what they're going to do.

But I don't think they're going to let him tax the American people

without representation, okay?

Because if they do that, you know, Roberts is finished.

You know, then you and I will get on the call.

And I said, well, Roberts is finished.

He's lost his standing.

He he pulled the pin on the lasso.

We figured out that the Congress is a bunch of cowards, right?

If Kennedy was alive,

Jack Kennedy be writing the book profile Profiles in Cowardice.

It'd be a phone book. It'd be a phone book.

Okay, but he's he's not alive anymore.

So we have these cowards in the Congress.

So that didn't hold from a check and balance perspective.

But now it's up to the court.

And if the court blinks on this, this will be a big sign that

we're in a lot of trouble in the country in terms of what the founders wanted

for the country, in terms of principled men and women standing up to nutjobs.

And so so that's that's where we are right now.

Okay.

So if you're in the cabinet and you're watching this play out

and you understand that a everybody hates

Trump around him and,

this is the beginning of the end, as you proclaim,

how are

you trying to build your own power base?

You've spent a lot of time with politics.

You've seen it up close, as you said.

Yeah, well, you've spent a lot of time watching it.

How would you how do you think this is playing out with

JD Vance and Marco Rubio and and Pete Hegseth?

I mean, they're all circling.

They're all circling for the job.

What it said eight months ago, Pete Heck said, good looking kid.

He's articulate.

He's got a good television president presence.

He would have a shot at the presidency.

Now after watching his intellectually

vacuous behavior over the last nine months and the deer in the headlights

insecurity that he represents, he's got no shot, okay?

And he's going to get run over.

He's just not he's not up for the job. Okay?

Rubio and Vance are cunning, ruthless politicians,

but they're too close to Trump.

So they're going to go you know, you remember the scene in Fargo.

We put the guy in a wood chipper.

We're just chunking them down.

Those two guys are going in the wood chipper because that's what Trump does.

He's a he is a tragic Shakespearean figure.

He hates himself.

But what he hates

more is the idea that a younger person could take his seat of power.

We read this in Euripides, we read this in Act scholars,

and we're reading it in Shakespeare.

I was going to say it's almost every Shakespeare play.

Yeah. So?

So this is he's gonna he's gonna chop them up.

Got, got to do it because he won't be himself if he doesn't.

And they're too close to Trump.

And by the way, you know, Vance is more talented than Rubio.

Because Vance is smarter than Rubio.

But Vance got too close to Trump now, Vance could, if something,

God forbid, happened to Trump.

And I certainly don't wish that I want him to live out his full term

because he he got democratically elected.

And so he deserves to live out his full term.

And I don't want anything to happen to him.

But if something did happen to him, that would be Vance's

path into the presidency.

But he won't be Trump.

He'll go tack Prolog mark on everybody, and it'll be a totally different thing.

It'll be like, T bro, you know, tech Prolog arc as opposed to MAGA, right?

And Rubio.

Rubio can't get there because he's literally like a weathervane,

you know what I mean?

It's like he's literally got a propeller spinning on the top of his head.

And the American people really don't like you.

Well, I mean, at least with Trump, you have a congenital liar,

and you got a guy that's, a one message candidate.

And his message was the border.

His message was immigration.

And the people were very fed up and Biden wouldn't listen.

He reversed all of his executive orders and he got smoked on immigration.

And and by the way, is same thing in New York.

Mamdani is like Trump.

He had one message that was affordability.

He didn't care about anything else. Well, you're an anti-Semite.

Let's talk about affordability.

Well, you said this.

Well, let's talk about affordability.

You're you're going to legalize this or that.

No, no, let's talk about affordability.

And by the way, let's just go over his success.

You had 50% plus voter turnout, 50% plus.

And he beat Curtis Sliwa and Andrew Cuomo combined.

So these are very talented politicians.

Trump is a talented politician.

But he's done.

You cannot you're not going to be able to serve another term.

They're not going to let him do it.

Do you think that JD Vance leaves the MAGA base behind him?

Well, he'll fake MAGA. He'll fake MAGA.

Remember?

He got he got Elon Musk to stand down from America's party.

Remember, we're going to start a new party.

I was going to ask you about that.

You think he he stood down from it has a. Yeah.

So he went he went to mosque and said let's cool out until help me get the job.

Let's cool out.

You know, I'm going to be the guy.

Don't you want me to be the guy? I'll be your bro. Legwork.

The goal is to help you and and these other guys be worth $1 trillion, right?

Because you know, remember, some people like money.

Now. Other people like significance, right?

You got to understand what the motivations are.

Vance. He's got a very dysfunctional background.

Read his book.

A lot of these nuts

that have dysfunctional backgrounds, they want to launder themselves

and their family through political acclamation,

you know, like, well, you know, I came from a destructive,

dysfunctional background, but I'll be president, United States.

It'll make me feel better about myself, Richard Nixon,

Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, you know,

and now you got JD Vance, you know, and weirdly, Trump, in a weird way.

You know, his father didn't really like him,

you know, so he's he's out to prove something.

It's fascinating your analysis of it.

So if JD Vance is too close to Trump, why is it fascinating, Joanna.

Because the other people talk like this.

Because they're, like, afraid to talk like this?

Or why is it that

I love the line that you just drew through all the dysfunctional presidents

that we've had, leaving out George W Bush, whose father, of course, was president?

Yeah. Well, he he wasn't dysfunctional.

He just had a pathway to the presidency and name recognition.

So he pursued that at a good time for him.

But these other guys are trying to launder themselves.

Remember, they're all outsiders and you.

And there's two types of outsiders.

There's a comfortable outsider or there's an uncomfortable outsider.

If you're an uncomfortable outsider, you end up mean and angry.

You know, Rudy's an uncomfortable outsider.

Trump is an uncomfortable outsider.

Obama was generally a comfortable outsider,

and so was Clinton, you know, and you can go through them.

Mamdani is a comfortable outsider.

He likes himself.

He's making a joke of the whole thing. He's got a great smile.

He's got probably one of the best smiles in American politics since Jack Kennedy

and Barack Obama.

And and look, you can dislike him.

I think he's got crazy policies, but he's a very effective politician, no question.

I know the hugely enthusiastic voter turnout at the biggest turnout

since the 60s. Right.

So he's really got people engaged, as has Donald Trump.

And I came across a great quote,

which I've used on the podcast before, but I think you like it.

It's by Trey Parker, as you know, the co-creator of South Park

and when someone asked him why South Park become political, he said, no, no, no,

you're looking at it the wrong way.

Politics has become pop culture, and that's what I think Mamdani understands.

That's what Trump understands that the worlds of melded.

Right? I agree with that.

But that's a cop out by that kid that created South Park.

He he he's trying to give you an alibi.

He's going after Trump with South Park because he hates Trump and any, any.

And he's trying to expose through humor the hypocrisy and the meanness

and the viciousness.

But then also this like crazy

Christian orthodoxy that doesn't fit with the lifestyle.

Right?

You know, he's like, you know, it's like watching,

what was that?

I was like, it's like having, like, an afterparty for Hunting Wives on Netflix.

You watch that show? Of course. I love that show.

I love that show because it's exposing all this Christian orthodoxy as hypocrisy.

Right.

And so he's trying to do that with South Park.

This is like an after party for hunting wives.

And he's trying to use his humor, and he's trying to use his animation

to expose how wrong all of this is.

I'm quite surprised that Trump or JD Vance hasn't reacted against it,

given, you know, given how they went after CBS.

And yet it's the same owner. It's paramount.

I can explain that they they want to control the news

and they care less about the satire.

Is that

because you think

they actually find the satire funny or they just don't think it has any impact?

Trump does not find it funny. Trust me, he hates it.

But his attitude is he wants to go after the news.

And if they're putting him on 60 minutes and they've muted all of these left

leaning journalists that attack him, that's okay.

And if it got some Joker making animation videos of him in advance in bed

with each other, which was really funny, by the way, what's the big deal, you know?

Okay.

So all right, so you've ruled out

Pete Hegseth, you've ruled out Marco Rubio, have ruled out JD Vance.

Who do you see emerging as a potential, Republican leader?

We're used to talking about who we think would be Democrats.

Cruz will run,

you know, Rand Paul will run.

Glenn Youngkin will run.

You know, they're all they're all coming back.

Rand Paul will run.

But Rand Paul's not going to get anywhere near it.

He has no ability with with people.

But he'll be on the debate stage and he will force some of the conversation.

You know, he will for some of the conversation.

He's been right on the lack of due process and murdering people

off the coast of Venezuela.

He's right on the tariffs.

Well, he's right on tons of things. Right.

But he doesn't have that popular appeal that would get him elected to president.

No you're right.

He can drive the the popular appeal.

But but Vance and Rubio too close to Trump.

So it'll be another person in the Republican Party

that will try to thread the needle between old school republicanism and MAGA,

and they'll try to see if they can get it done.

But when Trump leaves the stage, because this is a personality cult,

the stage is going to be open.

There's going to be a very broad intellectual debate

and a very broad intellectual fight in that party.

I'm not saying we're returning to old school Mitt Romney Republicans ism.

We're not.

But it's not going to be Trumpism.

Know it could be it could be somebody

that we're not 100% focused on.

You know, I don't know, I weirdly like Tom Massie, weirdly.

You know, I think the guy is like, articulate.

And I think he's, I mean, he's taking the heat from Trump and he stood in there.

I think he's pretty impressive.

But I'm not saying it's going to be him.

I don't know who is going to be,

but I'm going to I'm willing to bet it won't be Rubio or Vance.

What about Tucker Carlson?

There's no chance.

Meghan Kelly.

No, the pundits, they're not they're not they're not even remember this is a

them you know.

But but but you say that but Donald Trump was a reality television presenter.

If you're in the media it's a knife fight.

You're in the media tonight. Fight.

If you're in politics, it's a gat, Gatling

gun and a sausage grinder. Okay.

That's what it is. Okay.

You know, in the media, you know, I get cut here, I get cut there.

Boo hoo.

But in that game, they're coming hard with the chainsaw.

Everybody's wearing every.

Everybody's wearing the Jason mask from Friday the 13th.

And the calls are coming from inside the house

and they're trying to kill each other.

Well, that's true,

but Donald Trump wasn't a politician, which is why people liked him.

And Tucker isn't a politician, which might be why people like him.

He's clearly building a sort of base.

I disagree with that.

So I'm going to say something very different.

That was a very good 20 1516 statement,

but it turned out that Donald Trump was always a leading politician, and

Donald Trump turned out to be a very hard knuckled

19th century politician.

Okay. Where they were going after each other.

You know, I remember, I think John Adams in the early part of the 19th century

called Thomas Jefferson, I mean, Thomas Jefferson called John Adams of Radford.

I remember that he was he was I think I do remember that.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, they they go after each other that way.

This very hard knuckled way.

It turns out Trump was more of a politician than we realized.

But Tucker Carlson is not a politician.

He doesn't talk like a politician, doesn't think like a politician.

Just the fact that he brought the Looney Tunes guy on for days

and didn't really debate him okay, is a sign

that he's tone deaf on, like what's really going on, you know?

And so, you know, it it was reprehensible.

You know, I think personally, he's an asshole.

And I've said that on my podcast, I don't mind saying it on your podcast.

And he comes across like an asshole.

You have to be, you know, again, you can dislike Trump,

but there's enough people that find Trump likable and humorous.

Trump is a great stand up comedian.

He knows how to deliver the lines.

He's a good communicator.

He's got a presence about him.

Again, you may not like him, but you can see how he got to the presidency

running against a Hillary Clinton or a Kamala Harris.

And interestingly enough, the guy that he hates the most,

is the one he couldn't beat.

That's why he hates him so much.

That's why he's got an auto pen picture of him in the hallway.

There, the outdoor hallway.

And that's why

because, you know, to quote Joe Biden, he beat Trump like a drum, right?

You know, and he hates him for that reason because he knows,

you know, and, you know, look, I mean, we're in over time now.

But listen, you know, Barack Obama cause Trump you know that I know that

because he blocked Joe Biden from primary Hillary Clinton in 2016.

You know, and also, he went very hard at the white culture.

And he was really the germination of the woke culture in the country and the world.

Culture is not liked in this country, where 54% of the white women

voted for Trump, 46% of all women voted for Trump.

They don't like it.

They don't like their men, their husbands, their brothers, their sons.

They don't like what's going on in the culture.

Okay. And you got a guy behind you.

He looks like Napoleon.

I always say this, I do, I do.

Donald Trump is the bully on.

He is Napoleon of the culture war, right?

He can see the battlefield better than anybody.

And he knows how to beat the brains

out of the Democrats and get them to run in circles.

So but it's coming to an end now.

We're watching the closing chapters of this sordid, bizarre thing

that's happened to the country.

And now the question is, will there be a transformational, post-partisan

group of leaders that will come together to heal the country,

or will they continue to beat their brains in for a little more time?

But I'm optimistic on America because this is what happens in America.

We dunk ourselves, and then we go through a period

of reflection after the dunking, and then we have a massive renewal.

And if you go throughout our history, that's what we do.

We dunk ourselves.

You know, it's very tribal.

Lots of different people with different ethnic backgrounds in the country

fighting it out.

And then we go, oh, that's not working.

We go through a period of reflection, and then we get to the renewal,

and we're not quite there yet, but we're going to get there.

And so I'm optimistic.

All right. That's a very optimistic note.

And on reflection and renewal, Anthony, I want you back.

At the moment, the Supreme Court makes the decision on the tariffs.

Why the red is just a sign that you're a Republican.

Or do you just like the color red.

No, I love the color red.

I love the color red. It's optimistic. Look, you're in black.

Super depressing black.

Even though, you know, like I'm white.

It's like a moral center.

Well, your hair looks good.

It's very sort of grease, but like a 50s rocker, you could go straight on stage.

I've got some good product in the hair day.

I've come rocking the hair today.

Although I could use a little color on the sides here.

See, this is like, is it going gray?

Is it going gray on the side? Yeah.

This is Latin American dictator brown if you ever wanted.

Which would be a hair color okay.

That's using a Cuban leader black.

But it look like shit on television. So it's looking pretty good.

It looks like you could get on a Vesper and speed off into Quadrophenia.

That's all I'm saying.

Bizarrely, I'm taking that as a compliment.

Okay, take it as a compliment.

Come back and discuss tariffs.

The minute Scotus makes a decision.

That's a that's a deal. Good.

All right. See you soon.

Well there's a lot to digest in that.

I thought Andrew Maloney had some theories.

But now Anthony Scaramucci is tweeting out theories

and I'm just well my head spinning a bit really.

But it is interesting that he sees a different future for the Republican Party.

And he's counting out JD Vance, he's counting out

Marco Rubio and he's counting out Pentagon Pete.

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