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Over the past 5 years, social media has 00:00
gone through one of the most dramatic 00:02
transformations since it began. The 00:03
platforms that once promised connection, 00:06
community, and a voice for everyone have 00:08
devolved into something much more 00:10
harmful. Viral stunts, immature pranks, 00:12
choreographed dances. Also, heightened 00:15
levels of anxiety, depression, and the 00:17
disruption of the very fabric of 00:19
society. I want to explore why social 00:20
media has gotten so much worse recently 00:22
and the quiet but growing rebellion 00:25
against it that has the very architects 00:27
of the system on edge. This video is 00:29
sponsored by Headspace. More about them 00:32
later. So, I think we can learn a lot 00:33
about the problems with social media 00:36
today by looking at how Instagram 00:38
promotes its own app. If you go to the 00:40
login page, it says sign up to see 00:42
photos and videos from your friends. 00:44
What a load of Anyone that uses 00:47
Instagram knows this just isn't true and 00:49
is far from the content machine it's 00:52
become. But it does give us a clue into 00:54
the challenges this company and every 00:56
social media platform is facing today 00:59
and why the distance is growing between 01:01
what people want and what they're 01:03
getting. Jack Ki, the co-founder and CEO 01:04
of Patreon, has spent years thinking 01:07
about the economics of the internet and 01:10
has seen from the front lines just how 01:12
drastically social media has changed 01:14
since it was first introduced. 01:16
>> Jack, thank you so much for being here. 01:17
Question number one, what the happened 01:19
to Instagram? 01:22
>> Oh man, what I love that question? Uh, 01:23
okay, 01:27
here's what happened. Web two sort of 01:29
emerged in like 2005. Web two companies 01:32
were like Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. 01:35
The amazing thing about web 2 was you 01:37
could like subscribe to a creator. You 01:39
could follow them and then you would see 01:42
the rest of their work as it came to you 01:44
in the future. This was a new thing. 01:46
Before web 2, the internet was mostly 01:48
read only. Like you log in via AOL or 01:51
something and you you like can just like 01:53
read the news. But the the amazing thing 01:55
about web two was for the first time 01:57
like people could upload, they could 01:59
share, they could like broadcast their 02:00
ideas and the like the most profound 02:02
piece of internet architecture came out 02:05
at that time uh you know that came out 02:06
at the time was was this thing called 02:09
the follow. 02:10
>> As Jack explained it, the follow gave 02:11
you the power. You decided who you 02:13
liked, who you wanted to hear from, and 02:15
who you wanted to fill your feed. It 02:17
felt like your corner of the internet, a 02:19
personalized space built around real 02:20
connections and genuine interests. I 02:22
only subscribe to people and watch 02:24
videos that make me happy, inspire me, 02:25
make me feel positive, uplift me. 02:29
>> But that version of social media didn't 02:31
last. The idealistic vision was great 02:33
for users, but not for investors. Once 02:35
these platforms went public, they faced 02:37
a new challenge. How do you turn 02:39
connection into profit? We all know what 02:41
happened next. Social platforms started 02:44
to run ads and ads made them a lot of 02:46
money. So, they scaled the model. Grow 02:48
larger. Show more ads. Get more users. 02:51
Show more ads. Hold users attention for 02:53
longer. Show more ads. Get more data on 02:56
who your customer is, their hopes, 02:58
fears, and dreams. Sell more expensive 02:59
ads. The customer of Facebook is the 03:01
advertiser. And what the advertiser 03:04
wants from consumers is attention. And 03:07
what Facebook has built is a machine 03:09
that converts 03:11
attention into revenue. That is the 03:13
Facebook machine. Everything about the 03:16
financial system is set up to hold 03:18
Facebook accountable for revenue growth. 03:22
What that does is it aims the entire 03:24
financial system, hundreds of years of 03:26
financial infrastructure. It aims that 03:28
entire system of accountability and 03:30
discipline at sucking attention away 03:32
from humanity. That's the problem. That 03:36
is the problem. 03:39
>> You say these things like they are my 03:40
fault and yet they are not. Well, you 03:41
did create a platform with a monetary 03:44
incentive for people to spread 03:46
misinformation. 03:47
[Laughter] 03:48
>> Bo Burnham recently summed it up well. 03:50
Tech companies aren't satisfied with 03:52
just a piece of your time. They want it 03:54
all. They are now trying to colonize 03:56
every minute of your life. That is what 03:58
these people are trying to do. Every 04:00
single free moment you have is a moment 04:02
you could be looking at your phone and 04:04
they could be gathering information to 04:06
target ads at you. that that's what's 04:08
happening. 04:10
>> When the biggest tech companies in the 04:11
world are competing for your attention, 04:12
they'll design features that exploit 04:14
every human vulnerability they can find. 04:16
Even the smallest change can have a 04:18
really big impact, like infinite scroll. 04:20
No, not a never-ending pastry, something 04:22
much more nefarious. Before this feature 04:24
existed, websites had pages, natural 04:26
breaks that let you decide whether to 04:29
keep going or to stop. In 2006, 04:31
interface designer Asa Rascin came up 04:33
with an idea to replace those breaks 04:36
with a neverending feed. What seemed 04:37
like a small improvement quickly became 04:39
one of the most influential changes in 04:41
how we use the internet today. Without a 04:43
stopping point and an endless stream of 04:46
content, this simple feature can quietly 04:47
steal hundreds of hours from your life 04:50
every year. Asa himself says he regrets 04:52
creating it. I was blind to how it was 04:54
going to get picked up and used, not for 04:57
people, but against people. And this was 04:58
actually a huge lesson for me that me 05:00
sitting here optimizing an interface for 05:02
one individual is sort of like that's 05:05
that's that's that was morally good. But 05:07
being blind to how it was going to be 05:09
used 05:11
globally was sort of globally amoral at 05:12
best or maybe even a little immoral. In 05:16
a world where apps rise and fall 05:18
overnight, the social media giants have 05:20
learned to move fast or risk becoming 05:22
the next MySpace. When a feature works 05:23
on one platform, it doesn't stay there 05:26
for long. It's copied, repackaged, and 05:27
rolled out everywhere. We've seen this 05:30
happen with pretty much every fast 05:32
growing app from Snapchat to Be Real and 05:34
of course, 05:37
>> Tik Tok. 05:38
>> Tik Tok. 05:38
>> Tik Tok. 05:39
>> Tik Tok. 05:40
>> Tik Tok explodes in popularity. 05:40
>> It's surging in popularity here in the 05:42
US. 05:44
>> 15-year-old Charlie Dio's new favorite 05:44
pastime is making up dance moves for the 05:46
social media app Tik Tok. This group of 05:49
20 talented content creators is part of 05:51
a growing trend of young social media 05:53
stars snapping up big real estate so 05:55
they can physically be together to make 05:58
videos 24/7. 05:59
>> We're definitely like the two most 06:01
hated. Definitely 06:03
>> the most cringiest. 06:04
>> Like they're literally call blueberry 06:06
cuz their hair is blue. 06:07
>> Yeah. 06:08
>> And then I'm orange. They're like, "Oh 06:09
my god, the orange and the blueberry." 06:10
>> What has happened over the last 5 years 06:12
is really profound. Tik Tok came onto 06:14
the scene and Tik Tok's major innovation 06:17
I think people think oh Tik Tok is is 06:18
vertical first short form video but 06:20
that's not Tik Tok's major innovation I 06:22
think that's a red herring what what Tik 06:25
Tok did that was truly different and 06:27
innovative was Tik Tok said oh you know 06:29
these concepts of feeds that people are 06:32
using where you have your followers and 06:34
you scroll through a feed and you see 06:36
people you follow Tik Tok said forget 06:37
about following we're going to rebuild 06:39
your feed from scratch based on who we 06:41
think you're going to the like not who 06:44
you've chosen to follow, but what the 06:46
platform thinks you will spend time on, 06:49
and we're going to optimize it for time 06:52
spent. While Tik Tok didn't invent the 06:54
algorithmic feed, they did crack the 06:57
code on virality. For years, your feed 06:59
was shaped by who you chose to follow. 07:01
Tik Tok removed that control entirely, 07:03
replacing it with a feed that didn't 07:05
care about your social graph. Instead, 07:07
every scroll was another data point, 07:09
teaching the algorithm exactly what you 07:11
would keep watching. The most successful 07:13
video I had right now was like at 68 07:15
million views right now. 07:18
>> I'm sorry, 68 million views. 07:20
>> Yeah, it's just me like turning into 07:21
like a monster. 07:23
>> Now, if it had just been Tik Tok that 07:24
did that, we all would have just left 07:26
Tik Tok and and that would have been the 07:28
end of the story. But the thing is it 07:29
worked. Um, and by it worked, I mean Tik 07:32
Tok built a very addictive 07:35
consumer experience that people couldn't 07:39
tear themselves out of. And so traffic 07:41
sort of siphoned off of Instagram and 07:43
Facebook and all the other social apps 07:46
and onto Tik Tok. And all the other 07:47
social apps saw this 07:50
and felt pressure to get traffic back. 07:52
And the way that they did that was by 07:58
also ditching the follow in their 08:00
systems and by building for you feeds. 08:03
>> Tik Tok might say that its for you feed 08:06
democratized the internet. Suddenly, 08:08
anyone could reach millions regardless 08:10
of their follower count. And 08:12
simultaneously, viewers could discover 08:14
creators they'd never heard of. On the 08:15
surface, it looks like a win-win. But in 08:17
reality, this change had far worse 08:19
consequences. In Johan Har's bestselling 08:21
book, Stolen Focus, he documents exactly 08:23
what went wrong when these platforms 08:26
rolled out these kinds of feeds. 08:28
>> The algorithm is neutral about the 08:30
question of whether it wants you to be 08:31
calm or angry. That's not its concern. 08:33
It only cares about one thing. Will you 08:35
keep scrolling? Unfortunately, there's a 08:37
quirk of human behavior. On average, we 08:39
will stare at something negative and 08:42
outrageous for a lot longer than we will 08:44
stare at something positive and calm. 08:46
>> Go like this. 08:49
>> No, Mom. She's seriously 08:49
>> No, I know, but go like this for the 08:51
video. 08:53
>> Social media has turned into a model 08:54
that serves the platforms more than the 08:56
creators or the audience. And as a 08:58
result, people are starting to turn 09:00
against it and they don't have any plans 09:01
to come back. So for me, when it comes 09:03
to incorporating technology into my 09:06
life, it's not about getting off the 09:07
grid and living in a cave. It's about 09:09
finding balance. I want technology to 09:11
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purpose, meaning, get clarity, and help 09:16
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on, it gave us internet stalking, 10:58
endless cringe, and yeah, a couple 11:00
beheading videos. But it's gotten 11:02
objectively worse. Even as we see an 11:04
explosion of creativity with independent 11:07
creators producing thoughtful, 11:09
hilarious, and inspiring work, these 11:11
voices are often getting drowned out by 11:13
professional grifters, fast-moving 11:16
trends, high production clickbait, and 11:18
AI generated content, most of which are 11:21
surfacing above the people that we chose 11:23
to follow in the first place. What was 11:25
once pitched as a town square now feels 11:27
more like reality TV on crack. Meta 11:29
itself admitted during the FTC trial 11:32
recently that just 7% of time spent on 11:34
Instagram in 2025 is spent viewing 11:37
content from friends. I think social 11:39
media has become less social like it's 11:42
more about just consuming this kind of 11:44
highly commodified content and it's more 11:47
about lifestyle aspiration things that 11:49
you are moving toward in your own life 11:51
not just like what's going on around you 11:53
and how are you relating to your friends 11:55
and family. I mean to me that kind of 11:57
removes the purpose of social media. 11:59
This trend of pushing viral content over 12:01
personal connections has led to more 12:03
profit in the short term. But there's a 12:05
huge problem. Even though the usage 12:07
numbers are still high, public sentiment 12:10
is turning against Tik Tok and 12:12
Instagram. People are starting to hate 12:14
it. 12:16
>> I've been in a few dark places in my 12:16
life and a lot of it was influenced by 12:18
social comparison of social media. 12:20
>> I was getting to the point with social 12:22
media where I felt completely detached 12:24
from reality. I was more irritated with 12:27
my daughter. I was comparing my marriage 12:29
to other people's marriage. I felt more 12:30
insecure about my face, my hair, my 12:32
body. 12:34
>> According to a recent poll, twothirds of 12:35
16 to 24 year olds think social media 12:36
does more harm than good. Plus, half 12:39
think that they spent too much time on 12:40
it when they were younger. As journalist 12:42
Gabby Hinsliff wrote, "This isn't how 12:44
someone talks about something they love, 12:46
but how you look back on a relationship 12:47
that was in retrospect making you 12:49
miserable." There's a fundamental 12:51
mismatch between the way our brains are 12:53
wired and this behavior of exposing 12:56
yourself to stimuli with intermittent 12:59
rewards throughout all of your waking 13:00
hours. So, it's one thing to spend a 13:02
couple hours at the slot machine in Las 13:03
Vegas, but if you bring a slot machine 13:05
with you and you pull that handle all 13:06
day long from when you wake up to when 13:08
you go to bed, we're not wired from it. 13:09
It shortcircuits the brain. And we're 13:11
starting to find that it has actual 13:13
cognitive consequences. One of them 13:14
being the sort of pervasive background 13:16
hum of anxiety. I don't understand how 13:18
the current model even works. Like, it 13:20
doesn't make sense to me because I speak 13:23
to very few people that say, "Oh, I love 13:25
Instagram. Oh, it's a joy. I open up 13:28
Instagram every day and just like it's a 13:30
blast scrolling through." How does this 13:31
all work? Like, why are people using 13:33
these platforms if they're making them 13:35
miserable? There is a difference between 13:37
what we value 13:39
and what we attend to. 13:41
That is the core of the pain we're 13:45
feeling. is that we will pay attention 13:47
to lots of things that aren't important 13:49
to us, that don't bring our lives 13:52
meaning and joy, that don't better us 13:54
over the long term, that don't enable 13:56
and help our brains and psyches and make 13:59
us feel good and strong and better. 14:01
We'll pay attention to all kinds of [ __ ] 14:03
that is not good for us. I know what the 14:06
[ __ ] is going on. I work at Patreon. I 14:09
work at a tech company. I've seen these 14:12
systems from the inside. 14:13
I personally had to set a time limit on 14:15
Instagram on my phone to stop myself 14:18
from going. I had to set a 10-minute 14:21
time limit. And I I do that now. And I 14:23
don't give myself more than 10 minutes. 14:26
Like, I had to draw a hard line because 14:29
these systems are so powerful. I 14:32
remember when I did my first social 14:35
media detox back in 2018. I quit all the 14:36
apps for 30 days. At the time, this was 14:39
still considered pretty new, if not 14:42
socially unacceptable. You really felt 14:44
like you were going to miss out on what 14:46
your friends were up to. It's different 14:47
now. Now, you're only missing out on 14:49
some viral trends and a quick hit of 14:51
dopamine. Digital detoxes and social 14:53
media cleanses aren't fringe anymore. 14:55
They're everywhere. Minimalist phones 14:57
and dumb apps are getting more and more 14:59
popular. Concerts and venues are asking 15:01
people to put their phones in bags or 15:03
cover their cameras with stickers to 15:05
encourage people to be more present. Put 15:07
your phones away. 15:09
>> In real life, organizations and groups 15:12
like the offline club are popping up 15:14
everywhere, encouraging people to ditch 15:16
their phones and meet in person. And a 15:18
lot more people, myself included, are 15:20
going one step further and deleting 15:22
these apps outright. 15:24
>> I want to get my life back. And I feel 15:25
like the only way to do this is to break 15:27
up with the internet. 15:29
>> I've decided to basically quit social 15:30
media. 15:33
>> No Instagram, no Tik Tok, no Twitter, 15:34
nothing. I don't have social media. I'm 15:37
better than you. I'm frolicking in the 15:40
woods, scavenging ingredients to make my 15:42
life whole. 15:44
>> The growing push back and the rising 15:45
dissatisfaction among users is a serious 15:46
problem for social platforms. None of 15:49
them want people to dislike or regret 15:51
their experience, but they can't help 15:53
themselves. They're caught between 15:55
satisfying users and generating profit. 15:57
And within a system built for endless 15:59
growth, their choice is always going to 16:01
be for the latter. the one thing that 16:03
might stop them is if this push back 16:05
grows enough to hurt their bottom line. 16:07
>> That it's already part of the public 16:09
consciousness and the public 16:10
conversation. So it seems to me that 16:11
we're in this pivotal moment for 16:14
for for humans right now. If I really 16:18
step back, I I actually have a lot of 16:22
hope. And I have hope because humanity's 16:24
only been trying to figure this out for 16:27
two decades. Like the internet is brand 16:29
new and and it's it's pervasive and 16:31
dramatic and it represents a massive 16:34
change for human communication and 16:37
organization. It's going to take humans 16:39
a little while to figure that out. 16:41
Thanks so much to Jack for sitting down 16:44
to chat with me for this video. Check 16:45
out the links in the description to 16:47
learn more about what he's up to. And 16:48
thanks again to Headspace. Don't forget 16:50
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Thanks for watching and see you next 16:56

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Over the past 5 years, social media has
gone through one of the most dramatic
transformations since it began. The
platforms that once promised connection,
community, and a voice for everyone have
devolved into something much more
harmful. Viral stunts, immature pranks,
choreographed dances. Also, heightened
levels of anxiety, depression, and the
disruption of the very fabric of
society. I want to explore why social
media has gotten so much worse recently
and the quiet but growing rebellion
against it that has the very architects
of the system on edge. This video is
sponsored by Headspace. More about them
later. So, I think we can learn a lot
about the problems with social media
today by looking at how Instagram
promotes its own app. If you go to the
login page, it says sign up to see
photos and videos from your friends.
What a load of Anyone that uses
Instagram knows this just isn't true and
is far from the content machine it's
become. But it does give us a clue into
the challenges this company and every
social media platform is facing today
and why the distance is growing between
what people want and what they're
getting. Jack Ki, the co-founder and CEO
of Patreon, has spent years thinking
about the economics of the internet and
has seen from the front lines just how
drastically social media has changed
since it was first introduced.
>> Jack, thank you so much for being here.
Question number one, what the happened
to Instagram?
>> Oh man, what I love that question? Uh,
okay,
here's what happened. Web two sort of
emerged in like 2005. Web two companies
were like Instagram, Facebook, YouTube.
The amazing thing about web 2 was you
could like subscribe to a creator. You
could follow them and then you would see
the rest of their work as it came to you
in the future. This was a new thing.
Before web 2, the internet was mostly
read only. Like you log in via AOL or
something and you you like can just like
read the news. But the the amazing thing
about web two was for the first time
like people could upload, they could
share, they could like broadcast their
ideas and the like the most profound
piece of internet architecture came out
at that time uh you know that came out
at the time was was this thing called
the follow.
>> As Jack explained it, the follow gave
you the power. You decided who you
liked, who you wanted to hear from, and
who you wanted to fill your feed. It
felt like your corner of the internet, a
personalized space built around real
connections and genuine interests. I
only subscribe to people and watch
videos that make me happy, inspire me,
make me feel positive, uplift me.
>> But that version of social media didn't
last. The idealistic vision was great
for users, but not for investors. Once
these platforms went public, they faced
a new challenge. How do you turn
connection into profit? We all know what
happened next. Social platforms started
to run ads and ads made them a lot of
money. So, they scaled the model. Grow
larger. Show more ads. Get more users.
Show more ads. Hold users attention for
longer. Show more ads. Get more data on
who your customer is, their hopes,
fears, and dreams. Sell more expensive
ads. The customer of Facebook is the
advertiser. And what the advertiser
wants from consumers is attention. And
what Facebook has built is a machine
that converts
attention into revenue. That is the
Facebook machine. Everything about the
financial system is set up to hold
Facebook accountable for revenue growth.
What that does is it aims the entire
financial system, hundreds of years of
financial infrastructure. It aims that
entire system of accountability and
discipline at sucking attention away
from humanity. That's the problem. That
is the problem.
>> You say these things like they are my
fault and yet they are not. Well, you
did create a platform with a monetary
incentive for people to spread
misinformation.
[Laughter]
>> Bo Burnham recently summed it up well.
Tech companies aren't satisfied with
just a piece of your time. They want it
all. They are now trying to colonize
every minute of your life. That is what
these people are trying to do. Every
single free moment you have is a moment
you could be looking at your phone and
they could be gathering information to
target ads at you. that that's what's
happening.
>> When the biggest tech companies in the
world are competing for your attention,
they'll design features that exploit
every human vulnerability they can find.
Even the smallest change can have a
really big impact, like infinite scroll.
No, not a never-ending pastry, something
much more nefarious. Before this feature
existed, websites had pages, natural
breaks that let you decide whether to
keep going or to stop. In 2006,
interface designer Asa Rascin came up
with an idea to replace those breaks
with a neverending feed. What seemed
like a small improvement quickly became
one of the most influential changes in
how we use the internet today. Without a
stopping point and an endless stream of
content, this simple feature can quietly
steal hundreds of hours from your life
every year. Asa himself says he regrets
creating it. I was blind to how it was
going to get picked up and used, not for
people, but against people. And this was
actually a huge lesson for me that me
sitting here optimizing an interface for
one individual is sort of like that's
that's that's that was morally good. But
being blind to how it was going to be
used
globally was sort of globally amoral at
best or maybe even a little immoral. In
a world where apps rise and fall
overnight, the social media giants have
learned to move fast or risk becoming
the next MySpace. When a feature works
on one platform, it doesn't stay there
for long. It's copied, repackaged, and
rolled out everywhere. We've seen this
happen with pretty much every fast
growing app from Snapchat to Be Real and
of course,
>> Tik Tok.
>> Tik Tok.
>> Tik Tok.
>> Tik Tok.
>> Tik Tok explodes in popularity.
>> It's surging in popularity here in the
US.
>> 15-year-old Charlie Dio's new favorite
pastime is making up dance moves for the
social media app Tik Tok. This group of
20 talented content creators is part of
a growing trend of young social media
stars snapping up big real estate so
they can physically be together to make
videos 24/7.
>> We're definitely like the two most
hated. Definitely
>> the most cringiest.
>> Like they're literally call blueberry
cuz their hair is blue.
>> Yeah.
>> And then I'm orange. They're like, "Oh
my god, the orange and the blueberry."
>> What has happened over the last 5 years
is really profound. Tik Tok came onto
the scene and Tik Tok's major innovation
I think people think oh Tik Tok is is
vertical first short form video but
that's not Tik Tok's major innovation I
think that's a red herring what what Tik
Tok did that was truly different and
innovative was Tik Tok said oh you know
these concepts of feeds that people are
using where you have your followers and
you scroll through a feed and you see
people you follow Tik Tok said forget
about following we're going to rebuild
your feed from scratch based on who we
think you're going to the like not who
you've chosen to follow, but what the
platform thinks you will spend time on,
and we're going to optimize it for time
spent. While Tik Tok didn't invent the
algorithmic feed, they did crack the
code on virality. For years, your feed
was shaped by who you chose to follow.
Tik Tok removed that control entirely,
replacing it with a feed that didn't
care about your social graph. Instead,
every scroll was another data point,
teaching the algorithm exactly what you
would keep watching. The most successful
video I had right now was like at 68
million views right now.
>> I'm sorry, 68 million views.
>> Yeah, it's just me like turning into
like a monster.
>> Now, if it had just been Tik Tok that
did that, we all would have just left
Tik Tok and and that would have been the
end of the story. But the thing is it
worked. Um, and by it worked, I mean Tik
Tok built a very addictive
consumer experience that people couldn't
tear themselves out of. And so traffic
sort of siphoned off of Instagram and
Facebook and all the other social apps
and onto Tik Tok. And all the other
social apps saw this
and felt pressure to get traffic back.
And the way that they did that was by
also ditching the follow in their
systems and by building for you feeds.
>> Tik Tok might say that its for you feed
democratized the internet. Suddenly,
anyone could reach millions regardless
of their follower count. And
simultaneously, viewers could discover
creators they'd never heard of. On the
surface, it looks like a win-win. But in
reality, this change had far worse
consequences. In Johan Har's bestselling
book, Stolen Focus, he documents exactly
what went wrong when these platforms
rolled out these kinds of feeds.
>> The algorithm is neutral about the
question of whether it wants you to be
calm or angry. That's not its concern.
It only cares about one thing. Will you
keep scrolling? Unfortunately, there's a
quirk of human behavior. On average, we
will stare at something negative and
outrageous for a lot longer than we will
stare at something positive and calm.
>> Go like this.
>> No, Mom. She's seriously
>> No, I know, but go like this for the
video.
>> Social media has turned into a model
that serves the platforms more than the
creators or the audience. And as a
result, people are starting to turn
against it and they don't have any plans
to come back. So for me, when it comes
to incorporating technology into my
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It's really easy to romanticize the
past. Social media was never this
perfect beacon of civilization. Early
on, it gave us internet stalking,
endless cringe, and yeah, a couple
beheading videos. But it's gotten
objectively worse. Even as we see an
explosion of creativity with independent
creators producing thoughtful,
hilarious, and inspiring work, these
voices are often getting drowned out by
professional grifters, fast-moving
trends, high production clickbait, and
AI generated content, most of which are
surfacing above the people that we chose
to follow in the first place. What was
once pitched as a town square now feels
more like reality TV on crack. Meta
itself admitted during the FTC trial
recently that just 7% of time spent on
Instagram in 2025 is spent viewing
content from friends. I think social
media has become less social like it's
more about just consuming this kind of
highly commodified content and it's more
about lifestyle aspiration things that
you are moving toward in your own life
not just like what's going on around you
and how are you relating to your friends
and family. I mean to me that kind of
removes the purpose of social media.
This trend of pushing viral content over
personal connections has led to more
profit in the short term. But there's a
huge problem. Even though the usage
numbers are still high, public sentiment
is turning against Tik Tok and
Instagram. People are starting to hate
it.
>> I've been in a few dark places in my
life and a lot of it was influenced by
social comparison of social media.
>> I was getting to the point with social
media where I felt completely detached
from reality. I was more irritated with
my daughter. I was comparing my marriage
to other people's marriage. I felt more
insecure about my face, my hair, my
body.
>> According to a recent poll, twothirds of
16 to 24 year olds think social media
does more harm than good. Plus, half
think that they spent too much time on
it when they were younger. As journalist
Gabby Hinsliff wrote, "This isn't how
someone talks about something they love,
but how you look back on a relationship
that was in retrospect making you
miserable." There's a fundamental
mismatch between the way our brains are
wired and this behavior of exposing
yourself to stimuli with intermittent
rewards throughout all of your waking
hours. So, it's one thing to spend a
couple hours at the slot machine in Las
Vegas, but if you bring a slot machine
with you and you pull that handle all
day long from when you wake up to when
you go to bed, we're not wired from it.
It shortcircuits the brain. And we're
starting to find that it has actual
cognitive consequences. One of them
being the sort of pervasive background
hum of anxiety. I don't understand how
the current model even works. Like, it
doesn't make sense to me because I speak
to very few people that say, "Oh, I love
Instagram. Oh, it's a joy. I open up
Instagram every day and just like it's a
blast scrolling through." How does this
all work? Like, why are people using
these platforms if they're making them
miserable? There is a difference between
what we value
and what we attend to.
That is the core of the pain we're
feeling. is that we will pay attention
to lots of things that aren't important
to us, that don't bring our lives
meaning and joy, that don't better us
over the long term, that don't enable
and help our brains and psyches and make
us feel good and strong and better.
We'll pay attention to all kinds of [ __ ]
that is not good for us. I know what the
[ __ ] is going on. I work at Patreon. I
work at a tech company. I've seen these
systems from the inside.
I personally had to set a time limit on
Instagram on my phone to stop myself
from going. I had to set a 10-minute
time limit. And I I do that now. And I
don't give myself more than 10 minutes.
Like, I had to draw a hard line because
these systems are so powerful. I
remember when I did my first social
media detox back in 2018. I quit all the
apps for 30 days. At the time, this was
still considered pretty new, if not
socially unacceptable. You really felt
like you were going to miss out on what
your friends were up to. It's different
now. Now, you're only missing out on
some viral trends and a quick hit of
dopamine. Digital detoxes and social
media cleanses aren't fringe anymore.
They're everywhere. Minimalist phones
and dumb apps are getting more and more
popular. Concerts and venues are asking
people to put their phones in bags or
cover their cameras with stickers to
encourage people to be more present. Put
your phones away.
>> In real life, organizations and groups
like the offline club are popping up
everywhere, encouraging people to ditch
their phones and meet in person. And a
lot more people, myself included, are
going one step further and deleting
these apps outright.
>> I want to get my life back. And I feel
like the only way to do this is to break
up with the internet.
>> I've decided to basically quit social
media.
>> No Instagram, no Tik Tok, no Twitter,
nothing. I don't have social media. I'm
better than you. I'm frolicking in the
woods, scavenging ingredients to make my
life whole.
>> The growing push back and the rising
dissatisfaction among users is a serious
problem for social platforms. None of
them want people to dislike or regret
their experience, but they can't help
themselves. They're caught between
satisfying users and generating profit.
And within a system built for endless
growth, their choice is always going to
be for the latter. the one thing that
might stop them is if this push back
grows enough to hurt their bottom line.
>> That it's already part of the public
consciousness and the public
conversation. So it seems to me that
we're in this pivotal moment for
for for humans right now. If I really
step back, I I actually have a lot of
hope. And I have hope because humanity's
only been trying to figure this out for
two decades. Like the internet is brand
new and and it's it's pervasive and
dramatic and it represents a massive
change for human communication and
organization. It's going to take humans
a little while to figure that out.
Thanks so much to Jack for sitting down
to chat with me for this video. Check
out the links in the description to
learn more about what he's up to. And
thanks again to Headspace. Don't forget
to grab 60 days free with my link
headspace.com/mattella.
Thanks for watching and see you next

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algorithm

/ˈælɡəˌrɪðəm/

C1
  • noun
  • - a step‑by‑step set of rules used by computers to solve problems

platform

/ˈplæt.fɔːrm/

B2
  • noun
  • - an online service that hosts and shares digital content

attention

/əˈtenʃn/

B2
  • noun
  • - the act of focusing mental effort on something

viral

/ˈvaɪ.rəl/

B2
  • adjective
  • - spreading quickly and widely on the internet

addictive

/əˈdɪk.tɪv/

B2
  • adjective
  • - causing a strong desire to keep using something

influence

/ˈɪn.flu.əns/

B2
  • noun
  • - the power to affect someone's thoughts or actions
  • verb
  • - to have an effect on something or someone

engagement

/ɪnˈɡeɪdʒ.mənt/

C1
  • noun
  • - the level of interaction and commitment of users with content

feed

/fiːd/

B1
  • noun
  • - a continuously updating list of posts shown to a user
  • verb
  • - to supply a user’s feed with new content

scroll

/skroʊl/

B1
  • verb
  • - to move displayed content up or down on a screen

detox

/ˈdiː.tɒks/

B2
  • noun
  • - a period of abstaining from digital devices to reduce stress

content

/ˈkɒn.tent/

B2
  • noun
  • - information, images, video, or other media shared online

creator

/kriˈeɪ.tər/

B2
  • noun
  • - a person who produces original digital media for an audience

monetization

/ˌmɒnɪtɪˈzeɪʃən/

C1
  • noun
  • - the process of generating revenue from a service or product

mental

/ˈmen.təl/

B1
  • adjective
  • - relating to the mind or intellectual processes

stress

/stres/

B1
  • noun
  • - a state of mental or emotional pressure

community

/kəˈmjʊ.nɪ.ti/

B2
  • noun
  • - a group of people who share interests or belong to the same social network

distraction

/dɪˈstræk.ʃən/

B2
  • noun
  • - something that diverts attention away from a task

privacy

/ˈpraɪ.və.si/

B2
  • noun
  • - the right to keep personal information from being disclosed

revenue

/ˈrev.ən.juː/

B2
  • noun
  • - the income generated from selling goods or services

habit

/ˈhæb.ɪt/

B1
  • noun
  • - a regular, often unconscious pattern of behavior

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