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You're not bad with money. You were just 00:00
never taught how to use it. You were 00:03
taught how to earn it, not how to grow 00:06
it. You were taught how to spend it, but 00:09
not how to invest it. You were taught to 00:12
chase it, not how to make it work for 00:16
you. You weren't taught about investing, 00:19
only about surviving. And it's not your 00:23
fault you didn't know, but it's your 00:26
power to learn now. 00:28
>> The number one health and wellness 00:31
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>> J Shetty. 00:33
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>> the one, the only J Shetty. 00:35
>> Hey everyone, welcome back to OnPurpose. 00:39
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today's episode is about something that 01:01
I believe is so important. It's 01:03
everything I wish I knew about money in 01:06
my 20s. Now, whether you're in your 20s, 01:10
30s, 40s, or 50s, this episode still 01:12
applies because I believe that financial 01:15
literacy is something we all learn far 01:18
too late. It's something that some of us 01:21
never learn at all. I'm sure you've had 01:24
some challenges with this. Whether it's 01:28
been credit card payments, whether it's 01:30
been debt, whether it's been 01:32
understanding how to make money or grow 01:34
money, whether it's understanding, do I 01:36
need a side hustle? How many streams of 01:38
income do I have? Do I really know where 01:40
I'm spending my money? Do I know where 01:43
I'm wasting my money? And chances are, 01:46
if you've turned up here, there's a part 01:48
of you that's also avoided money. I'm 01:50
guessing there's a part of you that 01:54
doesn't like looking at your bank 01:56
statement. There's a part of you that 01:57
maybe wants to put it away. There's a 01:59
part of you that doesn't check how much 02:01
you've saved because you're scared. 02:03
You're scared to look at the number. 02:05
It's hard to face. And here's what I 02:07
want to start by telling you. It's not 02:10
your fault. You were never taught how to 02:12
do it. It's not something you should 02:14
know how to do. I think we all feel like 02:16
we grow up and all of a sudden we're 02:18
paying rent. We're paying taxes. We got 02:20
to figure out what a mortgage is. We 02:22
have no idea how that works. Everything 02:23
has interest. And all of a sudden, you 02:26
grow up and you go, "Well, wait a 02:28
minute. No one taught me this in 02:29
school." Even if you studied economics 02:30
at school, you didn't know how real 02:32
world economy worked. Even if you 02:34
studied finance at university, you 02:37
didn't necessarily know how to start and 02:40
run a business. It doesn't work that 02:42
way. So, I want you to take the pressure 02:44
off and I want this to be the start of 02:46
you changing your money mindset. I want 02:49
this to be the beginning of transforming 02:52
your relationship with money. I think 02:55
that's the main thing I want to focus on 02:58
here. Currently, you have an avoidant 03:00
relationship with money. There are three 03:03
types of attachment styles in love. 03:06
Secure, anxious, and avoidant. And I 03:09
believe that those three attachment 03:13
styles are also our attachment styles 03:15
with money. We either feel secure 03:18
talking about money and what it is. We 03:20
feel anxious talking about money and how 03:23
much we make, save, and spend. Or we 03:25
avoid it all together. Which one of you? 03:27
If I asked you right now, do you feel 03:31
secure talking about money, listening 03:33
about money, looking at your bank 03:35
statements, looking at your budgeting 03:37
and saving? Do you feel anxious? So, you 03:39
might do those things, but actually 03:42
there's this underlying anxiety. I don't 03:44
have enough. I'm not going to have 03:46
enough. I don't like all of this. This 03:47
is stressful. And then there's 03:49
avoidance. I don't look at it at all. I 03:51
have no idea. We want to transform our 03:53
relationship with money to be secure. 03:56
I'm not saying we have to be overly 03:59
confident. I'm not saying you have to 04:00
become a millionaire. I'm not saying 04:02
that you've got to have an abundance 04:04
mindset. I just want you to feel safe 04:06
and secure talking about money, hearing 04:08
about money, and learning about money. 04:11
We've all been taught this myth. I'm 04:13
sure you've heard it before. Money is 04:16
the root of all evil. You know what's 04:19
really interesting about that? When you 04:22
actually check the actual reference, 04:24
the actual quote is the love of money is 04:27
the root of all evil. Notice how 04:32
different that is. It's not that money 04:35
is the root of all evil. It's the love 04:38
of money that's the root of all evil. 04:41
It's the obsession. It's the lust. It's 04:43
the greed after it that's the root of 04:46
all evil. But money itself is energy. 04:49
Money is a resource. Money is a 04:52
universal power. 04:56
Money's a currency. 04:58
But when we get lost in this belief that 05:01
it's bad, it's negative. Our 05:03
relationship with it becomes anxious and 05:04
avoidant. When we feel it's unhealthy, 05:07
we're not being told to not master our 05:09
money. We're just being told not to fall 05:12
in love with it and think it's the be 05:14
all and end all of everything. That's 05:16
the beginning of transforming our 05:18
relationship from avoidant to anxious to 05:20
secure. Let's dive in. Number one, you 05:24
don't have an income problem, you have a 05:28
decision problem. Most 20year-olds think 05:31
they'll be better with money once they 05:35
can earn more. I'm sure you've said this 05:38
as well. When I have more money, I'll be 05:40
better at dealing with it. Right now, I 05:43
don't have enough to even think about 05:45
it. But science shows that your sense of 05:47
control, not your salary, predicts your 05:50
financial well-being. People with an 05:54
internal locus of control, who believe 05:56
they influence their outcomes, are more 06:00
likely to budget, save, and bounce back 06:03
from financial stress. One of my 06:06
favorite quotes from Jim Ran is he said, 06:08
"Formal education will make you a 06:11
living. Self-education will make you a 06:13
fortune." But here's the takeaway. The 06:17
moment you take responsibility for your 06:20
financial habits, even if you're broke, 06:23
is the moment you start building wealth. 06:26
Here's an action. List three money 06:29
related decisions you can make today. 06:32
Even if your income is low, you could 06:35
set up a free budgeting app. You could 06:38
cancel one unnecessary subscription. You 06:41
could transfer £5 to savings or $5 even 06:45
if it feels small. Don't avoid talking 06:48
about money. Don't avoid talking to 06:52
people about money. Don't act broke to 06:55
stay relatable. Don't play so small so 06:59
no one feels uncomfortable. 07:03
Don't pretend you don't care about 07:06
wealth when you're struggling without 07:07
it. Don't shame ambition then envy the 07:09
results. Don't wait to get rich before 07:14
learning how to manage it. Don't hide 07:17
your financial goals. Speak them like 07:20
they already belong to you. 07:23
Don't stay silent about money and expect 07:26
your relationship with it to improve. 07:29
It's like not talking to your partner 07:32
and wanting to stay in love. Imagine if 07:35
you never talked about love. You never 07:38
talked about your relationship. You 07:40
never talked about connection or 07:42
intimacy. How good would your 07:43
relationship be? How healthy would it 07:45
be? People who believe that they can 07:48
control their destiny, that they can 07:52
change their reality, that they take 07:55
control of their financial habits, will 07:57
see change. I want you to recognize that 07:59
you won't feel better about your 08:02
financial situation because you avoid 08:05
looking at your bank statement. You'll 08:07
only feel better about your financial 08:10
situation when you actually turn towards 08:12
it. Number two, you won't save what you 08:15
don't see. This is a psychological 08:19
principle. We spend what we mentally 08:22
label as available. If your paycheck 08:25
hits your account and sits there, your 08:28
brain sees it as spendable. This is why 08:30
automation and separation are more 08:34
powerful than discipline. We think, "Oh, 08:37
I'll be disciplined this month. I'll 08:40
spend less." But no, if there's no 08:42
automation and separation of how that 08:45
money is divided, you will break your 08:47
discipline. Mental accounting helps 08:50
reduce friction between what you want 08:53
and what you do. There's an amazing 08:56
quote I love. It says, "Do not save what 08:59
is left after spending, but spend what 09:02
is left after saving." That's from 09:06
Warren Buffett, one of my favorite 09:09
quotes. Don't save what is left after 09:10
spending, but spend what is left after 09:14
saving. You want to create an automatic 09:17
save and then spend what is left over. 09:21
You don't want to be in a position where 09:24
you just have this amount in your 09:25
current account and you're thinking, 09:27
"Okay, I'm going to try and save some of 09:28
it this month." And then at the end of 09:31
the month, you're looking at it and 09:32
you're back at zero. You got to remember 09:33
this. Your brain is lazy but 09:36
programmable. 09:39
Make savings invisible. Open a second 09:40
account today. Automate 10%, 20%, 09:43
whatever you can do of every paycheck, 09:46
even if it's $10 to go straight there 09:49
and label it freedom fund. Label it your 09:52
freedom fund. Give it a name. Give it 09:56
something exciting. Don't just call it 09:58
savings because even the word savings 09:59
sometimes can feel boring and kind of, 10:02
you know, unenthusing or it can feel 10:04
scary to look at a savings account with 10:07
not much in it. But a freedom fund, 10:08
whatever inspires you, make it automated 10:10
and make it separated. 10:14
Don't just make money. Learn to keep it. 10:16
Don't spend to look rich. Save to stay 10:20
free. Don't let every paycheck pass 10:24
through you like you don't matter. 10:27
Don't confuse lifestyle with wealth. 10:31
Don't buy comfort now and borrow stress 10:35
later. 10:38
Don't think saving is boring. It's the 10:39
most rebellious thing in a world that 10:42
wants you broke. Don't wait until you 10:45
make more. Save now so future you has 10:48
options. 10:52
Don't treat saving like a punishment. 10:54
Treat it like selfrespect. 10:57
A lot of people that I've spoken to, 11:00
finance experts as well, will talk about 11:02
the dangers of how everyone online will 11:04
tell you, invest, invest, invest. You 11:06
may end up losing a bunch of money on 11:09
crypto. You may end up losing a bunch of 11:10
money on NFTTS. You don't need to do any 11:12
of those get-rich quick schemes. What 11:15
you need to focus on is building your 11:18
future. Number three, buying things 11:20
won't make you rich, but learning about 11:24
them actually might. Most people think 11:27
money is for spending, not studying, but 11:30
impulsive buying triggers dopamine and 11:34
short-term pleasure, while financial 11:37
literacy builds long-term gain. Studies 11:39
show those with higher financial 11:42
literacy experience lower anxiety, more 11:44
saving, and better life outcomes. Warren 11:48
Buffett said, "The more you learn, the 11:52
more you earn." Money grows when your 11:54
brain grows first. Talking about 11:57
investing, spend 10 minutes today 12:00
reading about a financial concept, 12:03
compound interest, inflation, investing. 12:05
Swap one scroll for one financial 12:09
insight. 12:12
Investing in yourself and your knowledge 12:14
is a far better investment at the 12:16
beginning of your wealth journey than 12:18
any other asset. I promise you that. 12:20
Buying things won't make you rich. 12:23
Impressing people won't build your net 12:26
worth. Wearing your salary won't grow 12:29
your savings. 12:33
Spending like you're wealthy won't make 12:35
you wealthy. Every time you buy to feel 12:37
better, you're selling off your future 12:41
peace. You don't need more stuff. You 12:45
need more strategy. The goal isn't to 12:48
look rich. The goal is to stop worrying 12:51
about money. Now, I'm not saying I don't 12:54
want you to treat yourself. I'm not 12:57
saying that I like nice things, too. I I 12:58
I don't think there's anything wrong 13:01
with that. You just don't want it to be 13:02
imbalanced. You don't want it to be that 13:05
you're stressed every time you buy 13:08
something. I was talking to a friend 13:10
about this. He didn't go to university. 13:12
He found something that he loved early 13:15
on in life and started making a living. 13:17
Now, in the beginning, it didn't make 13:20
him loads of money, but he learned very 13:21
quickly how to not get wrapped up in 13:24
building a lifestyle and actually how to 13:28
invest it and learn about it. And that's 13:30
the point I really want to bring about 13:32
here. It's not just investing. Before 13:33
investing, there's a learning piece. 13:36
Okay? Is it property? Is it compound? Is 13:38
it this? Is it borrowing? Is it? It's 13:40
figuring that out. And I think a lot of 13:42
people today will be like, "Hey, invest 13:43
in this cuz this is the next big thing. 13:45
Hey, invest in this cuz this is the next 13:46
big hit." And the challenge with that is 13:48
you do something with very low learning. 13:50
Usually, it's a very big investment. And 13:52
I've got another friend who knew nothing 13:54
about crypto, put practically 50% of his 13:56
life savings into it, and then the next 13:59
week when crypto dropped, he took 14:02
everything out cuz he'd lost 10K and got 14:04
worried about it. And then the next week 14:05
it all went up again. And then he'd lost 14:07
all of it. And it was just this mess of 14:09
getting involved in things and investing 14:12
in things that you have very little 14:13
insight over. At the same time, I've got 14:15
friends who got great jobs out of 14:18
university, but their lifestyle changed 14:20
so much that their lifestyle was 14:23
competing with their income. Right? When 14:25
your lifestyle is competing with your 14:28
income, the pressure that we experience, 14:30
that makes it extremely hard to turn 14:33
that into future value. A lot of the 14:35
times we can look at people and think 14:38
that they're spending lavishly, but 14:40
we're looking at a number, not at a 14:42
percentage. I would start looking at 14:44
your life as a percentage of how much 14:46
you spend on your lifestyle versus how 14:50
much you spend on your future. It's not 14:53
about the amount. Someone could spend 14:55
10,000 on a wedding. Someone could spend 14:58
50,000 on a wedding. Someone could spend 15:00
a million on a wedding. It's not about 15:02
the amount they spend. It's the 15:05
percentage of their income that matters 15:06
about how they spend. And so, stop 15:09
looking at numbers at face value. Start 15:11
looking at your life as a percentage of 15:14
what you're walking home with after tax 15:16
and figuring out how that feels for you. 15:18
I think the before and after tax is a 15:20
whole conversation in and of itself. So 15:22
many of us look at how much we make as a 15:25
revenue standpoint or as an income 15:27
standpoint and not looking at what does 15:29
that look like after tax? What does that 15:31
look like after rent? What does that 15:33
look like after my car bill? Right? I 15:35
see so many people with really great 15:38
amazing cars that is their entire salary 15:40
is the amount that car is worth and all 15:43
of a sudden when you start looking at 15:47
those payments monthly it starts getting 15:48
really painful. Don't ignore the reality 15:50
of trying to present your lifestyle in a 15:53
certain way. I've also find it to be 15:56
what's known as the golden handcuffs. A 15:59
lot of people get so used to their 16:02
lifestyle that they can't quit a job 16:04
they hate. So, you actually hate what 16:06
you're doing, but you can't stop doing 16:09
it because it pays for the lifestyle you 16:11
want. The question you have to ask 16:13
yourself is, do I want to do something I 16:15
hate for the rest of my life to pay for 16:18
things? And it's okay if you do. If the 16:22
answer is yes, that's fine. But oftent 16:24
times we get an opportunity to do 16:26
something closer to our heart but we 16:28
don't want to take it because we'd make 16:30
less. In my own life I went through 16:31
that. I had a stable job as a 16:33
consultant. I was doing okay. Okay being 16:35
very important as part of it. And I 16:38
wasn't doing well and I wasn't doing 16:40
badly. I was doing just fine. And I gave 16:42
that up to pursue my passion. And I'm so 16:45
grateful for that because I am so 16:47
thankful that I get to do what I love 16:50
today. But I had to take off the golden 16:52
handcuffs. I had a safe, stable career 16:55
lined up, but I was willing to make 16:57
less. I was willing to make nothing at 17:00
all in the beginning to get it going. 17:01
And I'm grateful that I was able to put 17:04
those down. So don't be tied by the 17:06
golden handcuffs. Step number four, debt 17:08
isn't evil, but ignorance is. Most 17:12
20somes are taught that all debt is bad. 17:16
It's not. What's dangerous is not 17:19
understanding how it works and what type 17:21
of debt you're getting into. We avoid 17:24
debt education out of fear. Yet, the 17:27
avoidance is what leads to mistakes. 17:30
Psychology shows that we react more 17:33
strongly to losses than gains. So, we 17:35
emotionally shut down around debt. One 17:39
of my favorite quotes is if you don't 17:42
find a way to make money while you 17:44
sleep, you will work until you die. 17:46
That's Warren Buffett as well. So the 17:49
takeaway is you can't beat a system you 17:51
don't understand. Action point for you. 17:54
Learn the basics. APR, credit score, 17:58
interest. Pick one debt. Could be your 18:00
student loan, credit card, and break 18:03
down how it actually works. Then make a 18:06
plan. Do one thing at a time. Don't just 18:09
look at debt as this one big bubble. 18:11
Student loan is different to credit card 18:13
debt. Go and understand it deeply and 18:15
see what support there is out there as 18:18
well. Number five, you're not lazy, 18:20
you're overwhelmed. 18:23
We blame ourselves for being bad with 18:25
money. But often it's not laziness, it's 18:28
too many small, unresolved financial 18:31
decisions draining willpower. Science 18:34
shows that decision fatigue leads to 18:37
avoidance, impulsive spending, and 18:39
missed opportunities. 18:42
PT Barnum famously said, "Money is a 18:44
terrible master, but an excellent 18:47
servant." Here's the takeaway. Simplify 18:50
before you scale. What does that look 18:54
like in action? Pick one financial goal 18:57
for the next 30 days. Just one. And 19:00
track only that. no pressure to fix 19:03
everything at once. And remember, you're 19:06
not bad with money. You were just never 19:10
taught how to use it. You were taught 19:13
how to earn it, not how to grow it. You 19:16
were taught how to spend it, but not how 19:20
to invest it. You were taught to chase 19:23
it, not how to make it work for you. You 19:26
weren't taught about investing, 19:30
only about surviving. You learned to 19:32
feel guilty when you had money and 19:35
ashamed when you didn't. You inherited 19:39
stress, not strategy. 19:42
And it's not your fault you didn't know, 19:45
but it's your power to learn. Now, 19:48
number six, your money beliefs aren't 19:52
yours, they're inherited. This is from a 19:55
psych principle of cognitive scripts and 19:58
money archetypes by Brad Klants. What we 20:01
don't realize is we grow up absorbing 20:04
money messages. Maybe in your house 20:07
people always said money is hard to 20:10
make. Rich people are greedy or we don't 20:12
talk about finances. These unconscious 20:15
scripts drive your habits until you 20:18
rewrite them. T Harve said your money 20:22
blueprints are not set in stone. You can 20:26
change them. So here's the takeaway. You 20:29
can't change your future until you 20:32
challenge your programming. Write down 20:34
three money beliefs you heard growing 20:38
up. What were the things your parents 20:40
said? What were the things your family 20:41
members said? What were the what was the 20:43
rhetoric around money? And ask yourself, 20:45
do these still serve me? Then rewrite 20:48
one. Instead of saying money is selfish, 20:52
write money is fuel for generosity. 20:56
Notice the difference. You can change 20:59
your relationship with money. You can 21:02
stop chasing it out of fear and start 21:04
building it from wisdom. You can stop 21:07
using it to impress and start using it 21:09
to invest. You can stop hiding from your 21:12
bank account and start owning every 21:15
number. You can stop saying I'm bad with 21:18
money and start learning like your 21:21
future depends on it. Because it does. 21:25
You can rewrite the money stories you 21:28
were raised on. You can replace guilt 21:31
with clarity. You can replace shame with 21:33
strategy, scarcity with intention. It's 21:36
not about how much you have. It's about 21:40
how you treat it. And how you treat 21:43
money determines whether it stays or 21:46
leaves. Think about a partner. Is your 21:49
partner going to stay if you don't 21:52
respect them? Is your partner going to 21:54
stay if you don't invest in them? Is 21:57
your partner going to stay if you don't 21:59
learn about them? Is your partner going 22:00
to stay if you avoid them? No. Money is 22:02
exactly the same. But why do we treat it 22:06
so differently? It's because of these 22:09
narratives that we've built up since we 22:11
were kids. I grew up in a house where we 22:13
always had just enough, which meant I 22:15
looked at my bank account growing up 22:17
with zero in it. A lot. I started 22:19
working when I was 14. I paid for my 22:21
first phone bill, paid for my car, my 22:24
car insurance. I started paying for 22:27
things very, very early in life, but I 22:29
was lucky to live at my parents, so I 22:32
wasn't paying for rent. But I started 22:33
learning the value of money. And I 22:35
remember growing up just looking at my 22:36
bank balance and seeing zero because my 22:38
money mindset was I need just enough. 22:40
Would I ever say I need just enough 22:43
oxygen? 22:44
Imagine you had all the oxygen for the 22:46
next 3 months in a bag. and you were 22:48
like, "All right, I've only got three 22:50
months, but I've got just enough for 22:51
three months." You'd you wouldn't do 22:52
that. You you'd be like, "Oh god, I need 22:54
to figure out how to get more oxygen or 22:56
I need to I need to have more available 22:58
oxygen. I can't live like that." Money 22:59
and oxygen are very similar like that. 23:01
And by the way, I've been there. I've 23:03
been nearly 4 months away from being 23:05
broke. I know what it feels like to be 23:06
living paycheck to paycheck with only 23:08
enough money for rent and groceries. 23:10
Having been there, what I know is that 23:12
there was a lot of fear. There was a lot 23:14
of stress. It was because I was avoiding 23:16
conversations about money. I was 23:19
avoiding looking at where the money was 23:21
going. It was just coming in and going 23:23
out and I wasn't breaking it down. If 23:25
you're not aware of how much is being 23:27
saved, how much is going for bills, if 23:29
you're not budgeting, if you're not 23:30
taking a look at this at a very basic 23:31
level, you will always be scared. I 23:33
don't want you to be scared anymore. 23:36
Number seven, generosity multiplies 23:38
wealth, not drains it. We're taught to 23:42
hoard money when stressed, but 23:45
psychology shows that intentional 23:47
generosity improves well-being, 23:49
long-term wealth mindset, and even 23:52
motivation. People who give, even small 23:54
amounts, are more optimistic and 23:58
productive. One of the things I love to 24:01
see is I've been very fortunate over the 24:03
last few years to lead some fundraisers. 24:06
We led one online during the pandemic 24:09
for Give India and it was phenomenal to 24:12
see so many of you jump in and it was 24:16
because of people like yourself who 24:19
jumped in at $5, $10 that we were able 24:21
to raise over $5 million in 24 hours. 24:24
People often think, what will my $5 do? 24:29
What will my $10 do? I promise you it 24:31
makes a difference because what we need 24:34
is a lot of people who give a little. 24:35
That great giving that happens connects 24:37
us. And I saw that in action. I remember 24:41
we did this live broadcast where we were 24:43
raising money. We had big donors who 24:45
were matching it. I had friends like Ray 24:48
Dallio come in and give a million 24:49
dollars to match whatever we were doing. 24:51
We had Indiaspora who were matching 24:53
whatever we made as well. But it was you 24:55
who raised millions of dollars that then 24:57
were matched by these other donors. And 25:00
that's what created this beautiful 25:02
feeling of giving. And one of the things 25:05
I think about is if I have more, I have 25:08
more to give. It's a beautiful mindset 25:10
to have. And that's what it is. It's the 25:12
responsibility of those who have more to 25:15
give more. That's what it's there for. 25:17
And so, you don't have to be greedy. 25:20
There's a famous quote that I've heard 25:23
many, many times, and it says, "Money 25:25
just makes you more of who you are." 25:28
Right? It just amplifies who you were in 25:31
the first place. A lot of us are scared 25:33
to become wealthy because we're scared 25:36
it might change our hearts. I'm here to 25:37
tell you that it will only make you more 25:40
of who you are. If you're a generous 25:42
person, if you have more money, you'll 25:44
just be more generous. 25:45
If you're a greedy, small-minded person, 25:47
it will just make you more of that. And 25:49
so, don't feel like it will change you. 25:51
It doesn't have to change you. There's a 25:52
famous Drake lyric that I love where he 25:55
said, "I like when money makes a 25:56
difference but doesn't make you 25:59
different." And that's what I think we 26:00
have to approach it from is how can we 26:03
use money to make a difference in our 26:04
lives, the people that we love and 26:06
people beyond. So that's the takeaway. 26:07
And here's the action I want to leave 26:10
you with here. Give something small this 26:12
week. £5 your time, a referral or a 26:14
skill. All of that is giving. Watch how 26:19
your energy towards money shifts when it 26:22
serves others as well. Here's my final 26:25
thought. Money isn't just numbers. It's 26:27
emotion. It's energy. It's identity. At 26:31
20, you're not too young to build 26:35
wealth. You're early enough to build it 26:38
with wisdom. Start with just one of 26:41
these shifts today. And remember, the 26:44
wealthiest people aren't always the ones 26:47
who made the most money. They're the 26:50
ones who built the best relationship 26:53
with money. Let me know what resonated 26:55
with you, what connected with you. I'd 26:58
love to do more episodes about our 26:59
financial health and well-being. I'm 27:01
always approaching it from an energetic 27:03
standpoint. I have some amazing experts 27:05
on the show giving you much more 27:07
tactical, practical, specific insights 27:09
on what to do with your money. Make sure 27:12
you go and check out those episodes. 27:13
We've had everyone from Cody Sanchez to 27:15
Jaspree to many, many more. Do not miss 27:18
those episodes on financial well-being. 27:20
I'll see you very soon. If you love this 27:23
episode, you will also love my interview 27:25
with Charles Doohig on how to hack your 27:28
brain, change any habit effortlessly, 27:30
and the secret to making better 27:33
decisions. Look, am I hesitating on this 27:35
because I'm scared of making the choice, 27:37
cuz I'm scared of doing the work? 27:39

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You're not bad with money. You were just
never taught how to use it. You were
taught how to earn it, not how to grow
it. You were taught how to spend it, but
not how to invest it. You were taught to
chase it, not how to make it work for
you. You weren't taught about investing,
only about surviving. And it's not your
fault you didn't know, but it's your
power to learn now.
>> The number one health and wellness
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>> J Shetty.
>> J Shetty,
>> the one, the only J Shetty.
>> Hey everyone, welcome back to OnPurpose.
I'm J Shetty and I am so deeply grateful
that you tuned in. I hope that you've
subscribed so that you never miss an
episode. And make sure you keep tagging
me on Instagram and Tik Tok and all your
platforms. I love seeing the clips and
the parts that resonate with you. And I
love the community we're building. Now,
today's episode is about something that
I believe is so important. It's
everything I wish I knew about money in
my 20s. Now, whether you're in your 20s,
30s, 40s, or 50s, this episode still
applies because I believe that financial
literacy is something we all learn far
too late. It's something that some of us
never learn at all. I'm sure you've had
some challenges with this. Whether it's
been credit card payments, whether it's
been debt, whether it's been
understanding how to make money or grow
money, whether it's understanding, do I
need a side hustle? How many streams of
income do I have? Do I really know where
I'm spending my money? Do I know where
I'm wasting my money? And chances are,
if you've turned up here, there's a part
of you that's also avoided money. I'm
guessing there's a part of you that
doesn't like looking at your bank
statement. There's a part of you that
maybe wants to put it away. There's a
part of you that doesn't check how much
you've saved because you're scared.
You're scared to look at the number.
It's hard to face. And here's what I
want to start by telling you. It's not
your fault. You were never taught how to
do it. It's not something you should
know how to do. I think we all feel like
we grow up and all of a sudden we're
paying rent. We're paying taxes. We got
to figure out what a mortgage is. We
have no idea how that works. Everything
has interest. And all of a sudden, you
grow up and you go, "Well, wait a
minute. No one taught me this in
school." Even if you studied economics
at school, you didn't know how real
world economy worked. Even if you
studied finance at university, you
didn't necessarily know how to start and
run a business. It doesn't work that
way. So, I want you to take the pressure
off and I want this to be the start of
you changing your money mindset. I want
this to be the beginning of transforming
your relationship with money. I think
that's the main thing I want to focus on
here. Currently, you have an avoidant
relationship with money. There are three
types of attachment styles in love.
Secure, anxious, and avoidant. And I
believe that those three attachment
styles are also our attachment styles
with money. We either feel secure
talking about money and what it is. We
feel anxious talking about money and how
much we make, save, and spend. Or we
avoid it all together. Which one of you?
If I asked you right now, do you feel
secure talking about money, listening
about money, looking at your bank
statements, looking at your budgeting
and saving? Do you feel anxious? So, you
might do those things, but actually
there's this underlying anxiety. I don't
have enough. I'm not going to have
enough. I don't like all of this. This
is stressful. And then there's
avoidance. I don't look at it at all. I
have no idea. We want to transform our
relationship with money to be secure.
I'm not saying we have to be overly
confident. I'm not saying you have to
become a millionaire. I'm not saying
that you've got to have an abundance
mindset. I just want you to feel safe
and secure talking about money, hearing
about money, and learning about money.
We've all been taught this myth. I'm
sure you've heard it before. Money is
the root of all evil. You know what's
really interesting about that? When you
actually check the actual reference,
the actual quote is the love of money is
the root of all evil. Notice how
different that is. It's not that money
is the root of all evil. It's the love
of money that's the root of all evil.
It's the obsession. It's the lust. It's
the greed after it that's the root of
all evil. But money itself is energy.
Money is a resource. Money is a
universal power.
Money's a currency.
But when we get lost in this belief that
it's bad, it's negative. Our
relationship with it becomes anxious and
avoidant. When we feel it's unhealthy,
we're not being told to not master our
money. We're just being told not to fall
in love with it and think it's the be
all and end all of everything. That's
the beginning of transforming our
relationship from avoidant to anxious to
secure. Let's dive in. Number one, you
don't have an income problem, you have a
decision problem. Most 20year-olds think
they'll be better with money once they
can earn more. I'm sure you've said this
as well. When I have more money, I'll be
better at dealing with it. Right now, I
don't have enough to even think about
it. But science shows that your sense of
control, not your salary, predicts your
financial well-being. People with an
internal locus of control, who believe
they influence their outcomes, are more
likely to budget, save, and bounce back
from financial stress. One of my
favorite quotes from Jim Ran is he said,
"Formal education will make you a
living. Self-education will make you a
fortune." But here's the takeaway. The
moment you take responsibility for your
financial habits, even if you're broke,
is the moment you start building wealth.
Here's an action. List three money
related decisions you can make today.
Even if your income is low, you could
set up a free budgeting app. You could
cancel one unnecessary subscription. You
could transfer £5 to savings or $5 even
if it feels small. Don't avoid talking
about money. Don't avoid talking to
people about money. Don't act broke to
stay relatable. Don't play so small so
no one feels uncomfortable.
Don't pretend you don't care about
wealth when you're struggling without
it. Don't shame ambition then envy the
results. Don't wait to get rich before
learning how to manage it. Don't hide
your financial goals. Speak them like
they already belong to you.
Don't stay silent about money and expect
your relationship with it to improve.
It's like not talking to your partner
and wanting to stay in love. Imagine if
you never talked about love. You never
talked about your relationship. You
never talked about connection or
intimacy. How good would your
relationship be? How healthy would it
be? People who believe that they can
control their destiny, that they can
change their reality, that they take
control of their financial habits, will
see change. I want you to recognize that
you won't feel better about your
financial situation because you avoid
looking at your bank statement. You'll
only feel better about your financial
situation when you actually turn towards
it. Number two, you won't save what you
don't see. This is a psychological
principle. We spend what we mentally
label as available. If your paycheck
hits your account and sits there, your
brain sees it as spendable. This is why
automation and separation are more
powerful than discipline. We think, "Oh,
I'll be disciplined this month. I'll
spend less." But no, if there's no
automation and separation of how that
money is divided, you will break your
discipline. Mental accounting helps
reduce friction between what you want
and what you do. There's an amazing
quote I love. It says, "Do not save what
is left after spending, but spend what
is left after saving." That's from
Warren Buffett, one of my favorite
quotes. Don't save what is left after
spending, but spend what is left after
saving. You want to create an automatic
save and then spend what is left over.
You don't want to be in a position where
you just have this amount in your
current account and you're thinking,
"Okay, I'm going to try and save some of
it this month." And then at the end of
the month, you're looking at it and
you're back at zero. You got to remember
this. Your brain is lazy but
programmable.
Make savings invisible. Open a second
account today. Automate 10%, 20%,
whatever you can do of every paycheck,
even if it's $10 to go straight there
and label it freedom fund. Label it your
freedom fund. Give it a name. Give it
something exciting. Don't just call it
savings because even the word savings
sometimes can feel boring and kind of,
you know, unenthusing or it can feel
scary to look at a savings account with
not much in it. But a freedom fund,
whatever inspires you, make it automated
and make it separated.
Don't just make money. Learn to keep it.
Don't spend to look rich. Save to stay
free. Don't let every paycheck pass
through you like you don't matter.
Don't confuse lifestyle with wealth.
Don't buy comfort now and borrow stress
later.
Don't think saving is boring. It's the
most rebellious thing in a world that
wants you broke. Don't wait until you
make more. Save now so future you has
options.
Don't treat saving like a punishment.
Treat it like selfrespect.
A lot of people that I've spoken to,
finance experts as well, will talk about
the dangers of how everyone online will
tell you, invest, invest, invest. You
may end up losing a bunch of money on
crypto. You may end up losing a bunch of
money on NFTTS. You don't need to do any
of those get-rich quick schemes. What
you need to focus on is building your
future. Number three, buying things
won't make you rich, but learning about
them actually might. Most people think
money is for spending, not studying, but
impulsive buying triggers dopamine and
short-term pleasure, while financial
literacy builds long-term gain. Studies
show those with higher financial
literacy experience lower anxiety, more
saving, and better life outcomes. Warren
Buffett said, "The more you learn, the
more you earn." Money grows when your
brain grows first. Talking about
investing, spend 10 minutes today
reading about a financial concept,
compound interest, inflation, investing.
Swap one scroll for one financial
insight.
Investing in yourself and your knowledge
is a far better investment at the
beginning of your wealth journey than
any other asset. I promise you that.
Buying things won't make you rich.
Impressing people won't build your net
worth. Wearing your salary won't grow
your savings.
Spending like you're wealthy won't make
you wealthy. Every time you buy to feel
better, you're selling off your future
peace. You don't need more stuff. You
need more strategy. The goal isn't to
look rich. The goal is to stop worrying
about money. Now, I'm not saying I don't
want you to treat yourself. I'm not
saying that I like nice things, too. I I
I don't think there's anything wrong
with that. You just don't want it to be
imbalanced. You don't want it to be that
you're stressed every time you buy
something. I was talking to a friend
about this. He didn't go to university.
He found something that he loved early
on in life and started making a living.
Now, in the beginning, it didn't make
him loads of money, but he learned very
quickly how to not get wrapped up in
building a lifestyle and actually how to
invest it and learn about it. And that's
the point I really want to bring about
here. It's not just investing. Before
investing, there's a learning piece.
Okay? Is it property? Is it compound? Is
it this? Is it borrowing? Is it? It's
figuring that out. And I think a lot of
people today will be like, "Hey, invest
in this cuz this is the next big thing.
Hey, invest in this cuz this is the next
big hit." And the challenge with that is
you do something with very low learning.
Usually, it's a very big investment. And
I've got another friend who knew nothing
about crypto, put practically 50% of his
life savings into it, and then the next
week when crypto dropped, he took
everything out cuz he'd lost 10K and got
worried about it. And then the next week
it all went up again. And then he'd lost
all of it. And it was just this mess of
getting involved in things and investing
in things that you have very little
insight over. At the same time, I've got
friends who got great jobs out of
university, but their lifestyle changed
so much that their lifestyle was
competing with their income. Right? When
your lifestyle is competing with your
income, the pressure that we experience,
that makes it extremely hard to turn
that into future value. A lot of the
times we can look at people and think
that they're spending lavishly, but
we're looking at a number, not at a
percentage. I would start looking at
your life as a percentage of how much
you spend on your lifestyle versus how
much you spend on your future. It's not
about the amount. Someone could spend
10,000 on a wedding. Someone could spend
50,000 on a wedding. Someone could spend
a million on a wedding. It's not about
the amount they spend. It's the
percentage of their income that matters
about how they spend. And so, stop
looking at numbers at face value. Start
looking at your life as a percentage of
what you're walking home with after tax
and figuring out how that feels for you.
I think the before and after tax is a
whole conversation in and of itself. So
many of us look at how much we make as a
revenue standpoint or as an income
standpoint and not looking at what does
that look like after tax? What does that
look like after rent? What does that
look like after my car bill? Right? I
see so many people with really great
amazing cars that is their entire salary
is the amount that car is worth and all
of a sudden when you start looking at
those payments monthly it starts getting
really painful. Don't ignore the reality
of trying to present your lifestyle in a
certain way. I've also find it to be
what's known as the golden handcuffs. A
lot of people get so used to their
lifestyle that they can't quit a job
they hate. So, you actually hate what
you're doing, but you can't stop doing
it because it pays for the lifestyle you
want. The question you have to ask
yourself is, do I want to do something I
hate for the rest of my life to pay for
things? And it's okay if you do. If the
answer is yes, that's fine. But oftent
times we get an opportunity to do
something closer to our heart but we
don't want to take it because we'd make
less. In my own life I went through
that. I had a stable job as a
consultant. I was doing okay. Okay being
very important as part of it. And I
wasn't doing well and I wasn't doing
badly. I was doing just fine. And I gave
that up to pursue my passion. And I'm so
grateful for that because I am so
thankful that I get to do what I love
today. But I had to take off the golden
handcuffs. I had a safe, stable career
lined up, but I was willing to make
less. I was willing to make nothing at
all in the beginning to get it going.
And I'm grateful that I was able to put
those down. So don't be tied by the
golden handcuffs. Step number four, debt
isn't evil, but ignorance is. Most
20somes are taught that all debt is bad.
It's not. What's dangerous is not
understanding how it works and what type
of debt you're getting into. We avoid
debt education out of fear. Yet, the
avoidance is what leads to mistakes.
Psychology shows that we react more
strongly to losses than gains. So, we
emotionally shut down around debt. One
of my favorite quotes is if you don't
find a way to make money while you
sleep, you will work until you die.
That's Warren Buffett as well. So the
takeaway is you can't beat a system you
don't understand. Action point for you.
Learn the basics. APR, credit score,
interest. Pick one debt. Could be your
student loan, credit card, and break
down how it actually works. Then make a
plan. Do one thing at a time. Don't just
look at debt as this one big bubble.
Student loan is different to credit card
debt. Go and understand it deeply and
see what support there is out there as
well. Number five, you're not lazy,
you're overwhelmed.
We blame ourselves for being bad with
money. But often it's not laziness, it's
too many small, unresolved financial
decisions draining willpower. Science
shows that decision fatigue leads to
avoidance, impulsive spending, and
missed opportunities.
PT Barnum famously said, "Money is a
terrible master, but an excellent
servant." Here's the takeaway. Simplify
before you scale. What does that look
like in action? Pick one financial goal
for the next 30 days. Just one. And
track only that. no pressure to fix
everything at once. And remember, you're
not bad with money. You were just never
taught how to use it. You were taught
how to earn it, not how to grow it. You
were taught how to spend it, but not how
to invest it. You were taught to chase
it, not how to make it work for you. You
weren't taught about investing,
only about surviving. You learned to
feel guilty when you had money and
ashamed when you didn't. You inherited
stress, not strategy.
And it's not your fault you didn't know,
but it's your power to learn. Now,
number six, your money beliefs aren't
yours, they're inherited. This is from a
psych principle of cognitive scripts and
money archetypes by Brad Klants. What we
don't realize is we grow up absorbing
money messages. Maybe in your house
people always said money is hard to
make. Rich people are greedy or we don't
talk about finances. These unconscious
scripts drive your habits until you
rewrite them. T Harve said your money
blueprints are not set in stone. You can
change them. So here's the takeaway. You
can't change your future until you
challenge your programming. Write down
three money beliefs you heard growing
up. What were the things your parents
said? What were the things your family
members said? What were the what was the
rhetoric around money? And ask yourself,
do these still serve me? Then rewrite
one. Instead of saying money is selfish,
write money is fuel for generosity.
Notice the difference. You can change
your relationship with money. You can
stop chasing it out of fear and start
building it from wisdom. You can stop
using it to impress and start using it
to invest. You can stop hiding from your
bank account and start owning every
number. You can stop saying I'm bad with
money and start learning like your
future depends on it. Because it does.
You can rewrite the money stories you
were raised on. You can replace guilt
with clarity. You can replace shame with
strategy, scarcity with intention. It's
not about how much you have. It's about
how you treat it. And how you treat
money determines whether it stays or
leaves. Think about a partner. Is your
partner going to stay if you don't
respect them? Is your partner going to
stay if you don't invest in them? Is
your partner going to stay if you don't
learn about them? Is your partner going
to stay if you avoid them? No. Money is
exactly the same. But why do we treat it
so differently? It's because of these
narratives that we've built up since we
were kids. I grew up in a house where we
always had just enough, which meant I
looked at my bank account growing up
with zero in it. A lot. I started
working when I was 14. I paid for my
first phone bill, paid for my car, my
car insurance. I started paying for
things very, very early in life, but I
was lucky to live at my parents, so I
wasn't paying for rent. But I started
learning the value of money. And I
remember growing up just looking at my
bank balance and seeing zero because my
money mindset was I need just enough.
Would I ever say I need just enough
oxygen?
Imagine you had all the oxygen for the
next 3 months in a bag. and you were
like, "All right, I've only got three
months, but I've got just enough for
three months." You'd you wouldn't do
that. You you'd be like, "Oh god, I need
to figure out how to get more oxygen or
I need to I need to have more available
oxygen. I can't live like that." Money
and oxygen are very similar like that.
And by the way, I've been there. I've
been nearly 4 months away from being
broke. I know what it feels like to be
living paycheck to paycheck with only
enough money for rent and groceries.
Having been there, what I know is that
there was a lot of fear. There was a lot
of stress. It was because I was avoiding
conversations about money. I was
avoiding looking at where the money was
going. It was just coming in and going
out and I wasn't breaking it down. If
you're not aware of how much is being
saved, how much is going for bills, if
you're not budgeting, if you're not
taking a look at this at a very basic
level, you will always be scared. I
don't want you to be scared anymore.
Number seven, generosity multiplies
wealth, not drains it. We're taught to
hoard money when stressed, but
psychology shows that intentional
generosity improves well-being,
long-term wealth mindset, and even
motivation. People who give, even small
amounts, are more optimistic and
productive. One of the things I love to
see is I've been very fortunate over the
last few years to lead some fundraisers.
We led one online during the pandemic
for Give India and it was phenomenal to
see so many of you jump in and it was
because of people like yourself who
jumped in at $5, $10 that we were able
to raise over $5 million in 24 hours.
People often think, what will my $5 do?
What will my $10 do? I promise you it
makes a difference because what we need
is a lot of people who give a little.
That great giving that happens connects
us. And I saw that in action. I remember
we did this live broadcast where we were
raising money. We had big donors who
were matching it. I had friends like Ray
Dallio come in and give a million
dollars to match whatever we were doing.
We had Indiaspora who were matching
whatever we made as well. But it was you
who raised millions of dollars that then
were matched by these other donors. And
that's what created this beautiful
feeling of giving. And one of the things
I think about is if I have more, I have
more to give. It's a beautiful mindset
to have. And that's what it is. It's the
responsibility of those who have more to
give more. That's what it's there for.
And so, you don't have to be greedy.
There's a famous quote that I've heard
many, many times, and it says, "Money
just makes you more of who you are."
Right? It just amplifies who you were in
the first place. A lot of us are scared
to become wealthy because we're scared
it might change our hearts. I'm here to
tell you that it will only make you more
of who you are. If you're a generous
person, if you have more money, you'll
just be more generous.
If you're a greedy, small-minded person,
it will just make you more of that. And
so, don't feel like it will change you.
It doesn't have to change you. There's a
famous Drake lyric that I love where he
said, "I like when money makes a
difference but doesn't make you
different." And that's what I think we
have to approach it from is how can we
use money to make a difference in our
lives, the people that we love and
people beyond. So that's the takeaway.
And here's the action I want to leave
you with here. Give something small this
week. £5 your time, a referral or a
skill. All of that is giving. Watch how
your energy towards money shifts when it
serves others as well. Here's my final
thought. Money isn't just numbers. It's
emotion. It's energy. It's identity. At
20, you're not too young to build
wealth. You're early enough to build it
with wisdom. Start with just one of
these shifts today. And remember, the
wealthiest people aren't always the ones
who made the most money. They're the
ones who built the best relationship
with money. Let me know what resonated
with you, what connected with you. I'd
love to do more episodes about our
financial health and well-being. I'm
always approaching it from an energetic
standpoint. I have some amazing experts
on the show giving you much more
tactical, practical, specific insights
on what to do with your money. Make sure
you go and check out those episodes.
We've had everyone from Cody Sanchez to
Jaspree to many, many more. Do not miss
those episodes on financial well-being.
I'll see you very soon. If you love this
episode, you will also love my interview
with Charles Doohig on how to hack your
brain, change any habit effortlessly,
and the secret to making better
decisions. Look, am I hesitating on this
because I'm scared of making the choice,
cuz I'm scared of doing the work?

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Vocabulary Meanings

invest

ɪnˈvɛst

B1
  • verb
  • - to put money, effort, or resources into something to make a profit or achieve a result

surviving

səˈvaɪvɪŋ

A2
  • verb
  • - to continue to live or exist, especially in difficult conditions

financial

faɪˈnænʃəl

A2
  • adjective
  • - relating to money or how it is managed

literacy

ˈlɪtərəsi

B1
  • noun
  • - the ability to read, write, and understand basic financial concepts

budgeting

ˈbʌdʒɪtɪŋ

A2
  • noun
  • - the process of planning how to spend money effectively

saving

ˈseɪvɪŋ

A1
  • noun
  • - money kept or reserved for future use

automation

ɔːˌtoʊˈmeɪʃən

B2
  • noun
  • - the use of technology to perform tasks without human intervention

separation

ˌsɛpəˈreɪʃən

B1
  • noun
  • - the act of dividing or distinguishing between different parts

compound

kəmˈpaʊnd

B2
  • noun
  • - a thing that is composed of two or more separate elements; a compound interest

investing

ɪnˈvɛstɪŋ

B1
  • verb
  • - to allocate money with the expectation of receiving a profit

lifestyle

ˈlaɪfstaɪl

A2
  • noun
  • - the way of living of an individual, group, or society

debt

dɛt

A2
  • noun
  • - something, typically money, that is owed or due

generosity

ˌdʒɛnəˈrɑːsɪti

B1
  • noun
  • - the quality of being kind and generous

wealth

wɛlθ

A2
  • noun
  • - an abundance of valuable possessions or money

strategy

ˈstrætɪdʒi

B1
  • noun
  • - a plan of action designed to achieve a long-term aim

avoidant

əˈvɔɪdənt

B2
  • adjective
  • - tending to avoid something, especially due to fear or anxiety

anxious

ˈæŋkʃəs

A2
  • adjective
  • - feeling or showing worry or nervousness

secure

sɪˈkjʊər

A2
  • adjective
  • - free from danger or threat

rebellious

rɪˈbɛliəs

B1
  • adjective
  • - showing a desire to resist authority or control

ignorance

ˈɪɡnərəns

B1
  • noun
  • - lack of knowledge or information

overwhelmed

ˌoʊvərˈhwɛlmd

B1
  • adjective
  • - having a strong emotional response due to a difficult situation

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Key Grammar Structures

  • You were taught how to earn it, not how to grow it.

    ➔ Past simple passive voice

    ➔ The sentence uses the past simple passive voice with 'were taught' to emphasize the action (teaching) rather than the doer.

  • It's not your fault you didn't know, but it's your power to learn now.

    ➔ Emphatic structure with 'It's... that'

    ➔ The sentence uses an emphatic structure to highlight the contrast between fault and power.

  • Don't save what is left after spending, but spend what is left after saving.

    ➔ Parallel structure with 'but'

    ➔ The sentence uses parallel structure to contrast two actions, emphasizing the importance of saving first.

  • You can't change your future until you challenge your programming.

    ➔ Modal verb 'can't' for impossibility

    ➔ The modal verb 'can't' is used to express impossibility, emphasizing the necessity of challenging one's programming.

  • Money is a resource. Money is a universal power.

    ➔ Simple present tense for general truths

    ➔ The simple present tense is used to state general truths about money.

  • If I asked you right now, do you feel secure talking about money?

    ➔ Indirect question with 'if'

    ➔ The sentence uses an indirect question with 'if' to politely inquire about the listener's feelings.

  • You won't save what you don't see.

    ➔ Negative contraction with 'won't'

    ➔ The sentence uses a negative contraction with 'won't' to emphasize the impossibility of saving unseen money.

  • The more you learn, the more you earn.

    ➔ Comparative correlative structure

    ➔ The sentence uses a comparative correlative structure to show the direct relationship between learning and earning.

  • You inherited stress, not strategy.

    ➔ Contrast using 'not... but'

    ➔ The sentence uses 'not... but' to contrast stress and strategy, emphasizing what was inherited.

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