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                            CBS SUNDAY MORNING.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> WELCOME BACK TO
                        
                        
                                            
                            THE TAKEOUT. WELCOME BACK TO THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            CONVERSATION. COURTNEY, YOU KNOW
                        
                        
                                            
                            HOW MUCH I LOVE TO HANG OUT
                        
                        
                                            
                            HERE. CHECK YOUR CALENDAR. YEAH,
                        
                        
                                            
                            WE'RE STILL MORE THAN A YEAR
                        
                        
                                            
                            AWAY FROM THE ELECTION TO ELECT
                        
                        
                                            
                            SOUTH CAROLINA'S NEXT GOVERNOR,
                        
                        
                                            
                            BUT IT IS GEARING UP ALREADY TO
                        
                        
                                            
                            BE A VERY COMPETITIVE RACE. THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            STATE'S LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR,
                        
                        
                                            
                            ITS ATTORNEY GENERAL, A STATE
                        
                        
                                            
                            SENATOR, AND TWO MEMBERS OF
                        
                        
                                            
                            CONGRESS ARE VYING AGAINST ONE
                        
                        
                                            
                            ANOTHER TO WIN THE REPUBLICAN
                        
                        
                                            
                            PRIMARY, WHICH WOULD ALMOST
                        
                        
                                            
                            CERTAINLY LEAD TO THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNORSHIP. AT LEAST, THAT'S
                        
                        
                                            
                            BEEN THE TREND LINE RECENTLY.
                        
                        
                                            
                            ONE OF THOSE CANDIDATES JOINS ME
                        
                        
                                            
                            HERE IN THE CONVERSATION CORNER
                        
                        
                                            
                            SOUTH CAROLINA LIEUTENANT
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNOR PAMELA. YVETTE. YVETTE,
                        
                        
                                            
                            IS THAT CORRECT? EVART. EVART.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> THANK YOU.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> PAMELA, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE
                        
                        
                                            
                            YOU HERE. THANKS FOR JOINING ME.
                        
                        
                                            
                            WHAT DISTINGUISHES YOU IN THIS
                        
                        
                                            
                            RACE AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF
                        
                        
                                            
                            ELECTED GOVERNOR DIFFERENTLY
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAN HENRY MCMASTER, THE CURRENT
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNOR?
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> SO WHAT DISTINGUISHES ME IS
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT I'VE SPENT THE MAJORITY OF
                        
                        
                                            
                            MY LIFE IN THE BUSINESS SECTOR.
                        
                        
                                            
                            I STARTED A BUSINESS, CREATED
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT INTO A NATIONAL COMPANY,
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND THEN LEFT MY BUSINESS TO
                        
                        
                                            
                            SERVE WITH THE GOVERNOR. I'M
                        
                        
                                            
                            THE FIRST LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR,
                        
                        
                                            
                            ELECTED WITH A GOVERNOR. SO
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNOR MCMASTER AND I ARE DEAR
                        
                        
                                            
                            FRIENDS, AND WE WORK HAND IN
                        
                        
                                            
                            GLOVE. AND HE'S ASKED ME TO
                        
                        
                                            
                            SERVE WITH HIM TWO TERMS. AND SO
                        
                        
                                            
                            I THINK THAT DISTINGUISHES ME
                        
                        
                                            
                            FROM EVERYBODY ELSE. I'M NOT A
                        
                        
                                            
                            CAREER POLITICIAN. I'VE SIGNED
                        
                        
                                            
                            THE FRONT OF PAYCHECKS. I'VE
                        
                        
                                            
                            BALANCED BUDGETS, I'VE CREATED
                        
                        
                                            
                            JOBS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN
                        
                        
                                            
                            SOUTH CAROLINA. THE MOMENTUM AND
                        
                        
                                            
                            TREND IS THEY WANT A BUSINESS
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNOR, SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN
                        
                        
                                            
                            ABLE TO DO ALL THESE THINGS.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> I KNOW POLLING AT THIS STAGE
                        
                        
                                            
                            OF A RACE IS NOT VERY HELPFUL,
                        
                        
                                            
                            BUT THERE IS ONE POLL. NANCY
                        
                        
                                            
                            MACE, WHO'S BEEN ON THE SHOW
                        
                        
                                            
                            19%. YOU, 18%. AG ALAN WILSON,
                        
                        
                                            
                            16%, 35% UNDECIDED. WHAT'S THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            STATE OF THE.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> RACE?
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> IN PRIMARY?
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> YEAH, IT'S THE PRIMARY,
                        
                        
                                            
                            RIGHT? THIS RACE WILL BE DECIDED
                        
                        
                                            
                            IN THE PRIMARY. THAT'S THE WAY
                        
                        
                                            
                            IT'S BEEN IN SOUTH.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> YEAH, I THINK SO. YOU KNOW I
                        
                        
                                            
                            I'M VERY PROUD. YOU KNOW
                        
                        
                                            
                            PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THE ONE THAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            KIND OF INSPIRED ME TO LEAVE MY
                        
                        
                                            
                            BUSINESS AND RUN. RIGHT. I WAS A
                        
                        
                                            
                            TRUMP SUPPORTER WHEN I WAS
                        
                        
                                            
                            SITTING AT MY DESK GOING, WE
                        
                        
                                            
                            NEED SOMETHING ELSE IN
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNMENT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN
                        
                        
                                            
                            JANUARY OF 23, WHEN THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            PRESIDENT CAME TO SOUTH CAROLINA
                        
                        
                                            
                            TO TALK ABOUT RUNNING AGAIN, OUT
                        
                        
                                            
                            OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAS
                        
                        
                                            
                            THROWN THEIR HAT IN THE RACE FOR
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNOR, I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            STOOD WITH THEM BECAUSE I REALLY
                        
                        
                                            
                            BELIEVED HE WAS WHAT THE NATION
                        
                        
                                            
                            NEEDED. AND I WORKED REALLY
                        
                        
                                            
                            HARD. I'VE TRAVELED ALL AROUND
                        
                        
                                            
                            THE STATE, TRAVELED TO NEW
                        
                        
                                            
                            HAMPSHIRE WITH THEM, RAISED A
                        
                        
                                            
                            LOT OF MONEY FOR HIM IN HIS 2020
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND 2024 RACE, AND SO, YOU KNOW,
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND I'M VERY PROUD OF WHAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            HE'S DONE. AND I THINK HE'S
                        
                        
                                            
                            INSPIRED A LOT OF BUSINESS
                        
                        
                                            
                            PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR
                        
                        
                                            
                            COMFORT ZONE AND TAKE THEIR
                        
                        
                                            
                            KNOWLEDGE INTO THE PUBLIC SECTOR
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND TRY TO MAKE GOVERNMENT
                        
                        
                                            
                            BETTER.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> DOES THIS PRIMARY COME DOWN
                        
                        
                                            
                            TO WHO HE ENDORSES?
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> I THINK A BIG CHUNK OF IT
                        
                        
                                            
                            SOUTH CAROLINA, IT'S A IT'S A
                        
                        
                                            
                            IT'S A TRUMP STATE. AND, YOU
                        
                        
                                            
                            KNOW, WE SAW THAT WE HAD TWO
                        
                        
                                            
                            SOUTH CAROLINIANS BIDEN TO RUN
                        
                        
                                            
                            AGAINST HIM FOR PRESIDENT. AND
                        
                        
                                            
                            PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU KNOW, HEAVY
                        
                        
                                            
                            HANDEDLY TOOK THE STATE BY
                        
                        
                                            
                            STORM. AND SO I THINK PEOPLE
                        
                        
                                            
                            LISTEN AND LOOK. AND THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNOR IS REALLY IMPACTFUL IN
                        
                        
                                            
                            THE STATE. HE'S A VERY POPULAR
                        
                        
                                            
                            GOVERNOR. HE TOOK US THROUGH
                        
                        
                                            
                            COVID VERY WELL, AND THE STATE
                        
                        
                                            
                            HAS BEEN THRIVING UNDER OUR
                        
                        
                                            
                            ADMINISTRATION.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> IF HE'S WATCHING, WHAT'S
                        
                        
                                            
                            YOUR.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> PITCH TO THE PRESIDENT? YOU
                        
                        
                                            
                            KNOW, I'M YOUR PERSON. I'VE
                        
                        
                                            
                            BEEN LOYAL AND I'VE BEEN THERE
                        
                        
                                            
                            FOR YOU. AND I LOVE EVERYTHING
                        
                        
                                            
                            YOU DO AND I WANT TO TAKE THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING MAKING
                        
                        
                                            
                            AMERICA GREAT AND BRING IT RIGHT
                        
                        
                                            
                            TO SOUTH CAROLINA.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT
                        
                        
                                            
                            WHAT'S GOING ON AT CLEMSON. IT
                        
                        
                                            
                            HAS FIRED TWO FACULTY MEMBERS
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND ONE STAFF MEMBER OVER SOCIAL
                        
                        
                                            
                            MEDIA POSTS RELATED TO THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            ASSASSINATION OF CHARLIE KIRK.
                        
                        
                                            
                            YES. HOW DO YOU COME DOWN ON
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT? AND DO YOU HAVE ANY
                        
                        
                                            
                            CONCERN THAT THIS KIND OF FIRING
                        
                        
                                            
                            FOR SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, SEPARATE
                        
                        
                                            
                            FROM WHAT THEIR ACTUAL JOB IS,
                        
                        
                                            
                            INFRINGES ON FREE SPEECH?
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK
                        
                        
                                            
                            THERE'S ANYBODY THAT CAN ARGUE
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT THE FOUNDATION OF THIS
                        
                        
                                            
                            NATION IS FREE SPEECH, AND WE
                        
                        
                                            
                            SHOULD HAVE IT. BUT I'M A
                        
                        
                                            
                            BUSINESS PERSON, AND WHEN
                        
                        
                                            
                            SOMEBODY IS FREE, SPEECH STARTS
                        
                        
                                            
                            TO INTERSECT AND HURT YOUR
                        
                        
                                            
                            COMPANY, YOUR BRAND. THOSE ARE
                        
                        
                                            
                            TWO SEPARATE THINGS. THERE'S
                        
                        
                                            
                            CONSEQUENCES. THAT'S RIGHT.
                        
                        
                                            
                            THERE'S CONSEQUENCES. RIGHT.
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND AT CLEMSON, MY SON GOES
                        
                        
                                            
                            THERE AND I WAS VERY OUTSPOKEN.
                        
                        
                                            
                            I KNOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            COLLEGE VERY WELL. HIM AND I
                        
                        
                                            
                            TALKED ABOUT THIS. I DIDN'T JUST
                        
                        
                                            
                            RUN OUT TO SOCIAL MEDIA. WHAT I
                        
                        
                                            
                            AM UPSET WITH IS THAT I HEAR
                        
                        
                                            
                            OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM MY
                        
                        
                                            
                            CHILDREN, MY CHILDREN'S FRIENDS.
                        
                        
                                            
                            I HAVE THREE CHILDREN FROM
                        
                        
                                            
                            NIECES AND NEPHEWS. YOU KEEP
                        
                        
                                            
                            KEEPS BUILDING. HOW MANY KIDS?
                        
                        
                                            
                            HE'LL SAY, GO AND ASK STUDENTS
                        
                        
                                            
                            ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES HOW MANY
                        
                        
                                            
                            TIMES THEY'VE HAD TO WRITE A
                        
                        
                                            
                            PAPER OR TALK IN A TONE OR A
                        
                        
                                            
                            TENSE THAT THEY DON'T AGREE
                        
                        
                                            
                            WITH FOR FEAR OF RETRIBUTION BY
                        
                        
                                            
                            A PROFESSOR? SO WHEN WE TALK.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> OF A BAD GRADE OR WORSE.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> EXACTLY. SO WHEN WE TALK
                        
                        
                                            
                            ABOUT THIS, WHY ARE WE ALWAYS SO
                        
                        
                                            
                            WORRIED ABOUT PROTECTING THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            PROFESSOR AND NOT THE KIDS THAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            YOU KNOW, ARE SITTING IN A
                        
                        
                                            
                            CLASSROOM THAT A LOT OF PARENTS
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND A LOT OF KIDS FEEL LIKE
                        
                        
                                            
                            THEY'RE TRYING TO BE
                        
                        
                                            
                            INDOCTRINATED? WHY AREN'T WE
                        
                        
                                            
                            USING COLLEGES TO CULTIVATE
                        
                        
                                            
                            CRITICAL THINKING? YOU KNOW,
                        
                        
                                            
                            WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, I BEST
                        
                        
                                            
                            PROFESSORS COULD ARGUE BOTH
                        
                        
                                            
                            SIDES OF A POINT AND I COULD
                        
                        
                                            
                            WALK OUT OF THAT LECTURE AND
                        
                        
                                            
                            NEVER KNOWING WHAT THEIR POINT
                        
                        
                                            
                            OF VIEW WAS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE
                        
                        
                                            
                            HAVE TO GET BACK TO TEACHING
                        
                        
                                            
                            CRITICAL THINKING.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> SO HOW DOES THAT EMBRACE OF
                        
                        
                                            
                            CRITICAL THINKING FACTOR FACTOR
                        
                        
                                            
                            THROUGH YOUR EVALUATION OF JIMMY
                        
                        
                                            
                            KIMMEL?
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M A
                        
                        
                                            
                            BUSINESS PERSON. WAS THAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            FIRING, YOU KNOW, COMING BECAUSE
                        
                        
                                            
                            AS A BUSINESS DECISION BY DISNEY
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT HIS RATINGS WEREN'T WHAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN. WAS IT
                        
                        
                                            
                            OUTRAGE FROM MARKETS THAT EVEN
                        
                        
                                            
                            NOW WITH HIM COMING BACK ON,
                        
                        
                                            
                            THERE ARE MARKETS.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> TO HAVE BEEN INFLUENCED BY
                        
                        
                                            
                            THE FCC CHAIRMAN.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> BUT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM
                        
                        
                                            
                            WHAT I'VE READ AND AGAIN, THIS
                        
                        
                                            
                            IS JUST BY WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT
                        
                        
                                            
                            I'VE READ IS THAT THEY WERE
                        
                        
                                            
                            MOSTLY CALLING HIM OUT FOR SOME
                        
                        
                                            
                            OF THE REMARKS HE MADE, SAYING
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT THE SHOOTER WAS MAGA. SO IT
                        
                        
                                            
                            WAS A LIE, NOT SO MUCH WHAT HE
                        
                        
                                            
                            SAID, BUT YOU CAN'T LIE ABOUT
                        
                        
                                            
                            WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I
                        
                        
                                            
                            THOUGHT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE
                        
                        
                                            
                            THE PUSH CAME FROM. AND I THINK
                        
                        
                                            
                            WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE
                        
                        
                                            
                            GET OUT THERE AND WE SAY THINGS.
                        
                        
                                            
                            I THINK THIS RHETORIC, I REALLY
                        
                        
                                            
                            WAS KIND OF OFFENDED, LIKE
                        
                        
                                            
                            EVERYBODY SAYING, YOU KNOW, BOTH
                        
                        
                                            
                            SIDES NEED TO TONE DOWN THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            RHETORIC WHEN I LITERALLY SAW
                        
                        
                                            
                            DEMOCRATS OVER THE YEARS, YOU
                        
                        
                                            
                            KNOW, MAXINE WATERS COMING OUT
                        
                        
                                            
                            AND SAYING, IF YOU SEE MAGA
                        
                        
                                            
                            PEOPLE, IF YOU SEE REPUBLICANS
                        
                        
                                            
                            GET IN THEIR FACE, MAKE THEM
                        
                        
                                            
                            UNCOMFORTABLE, PUSH THEM OUT OF
                        
                        
                                            
                            PUBLIC PLACES. I MEAN, THAT IS
                        
                        
                                            
                            REALLY VIOLENT RHETORIC. AND
                        
                        
                                            
                            WE'VE WE'VE CONSISTENTLY SEEN
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT COMING FROM THE DEMOCRATS.
                        
                        
                                            
                            I NEVER SAW WHEN THOSE MINNESOTA
                        
                        
                                            
                            LAWMAKERS WERE KILLED. I NEVER
                        
                        
                                            
                            SAW ONE REPUBLICAN REJOICE IN
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT WHEN IT CAME TO, YOU KNOW,
                        
                        
                                            
                            RECOGNIZING THEM ON THE HOUSE
                        
                        
                                            
                            FLOOR, THE DEMOCRATS AND THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            REPUBLICANS UNITED TO COME
                        
                        
                                            
                            TOGETHER TO SAY, YES, WE SHOULD.
                        
                        
                                            
                            YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS
                        
                        
                                            
                            HORRIBLE INCIDENT HAPPENED. WE
                        
                        
                                            
                            SAW DEMOCRATS THAT WOULDN'T,
                        
                        
                                            
                            YOU KNOW, GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION
                        
                        
                                            
                            TO CHARLIE KIRK. AND I THINK
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T LUMP US
                        
                        
                                            
                            ALL IN TOGETHER. YOU HAVE TO
                        
                        
                                            
                            CALL OUT BAD BEHAVIOR. AND AND I
                        
                        
                                            
                            THINK WE HAVE TO BE FAIR WHEN WE
                        
                        
                                            
                            CALL THAT OUT.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> AND YOU ONLY SEE IT ON THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            LEFT.
                        
                        
                                            
                            >> YEAH. I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN
                        
                        
                                            
                            MUCH OF IT. I'M NOT CALLING FOR
                        
                        
                                            
                            VIOLENT ACTS. I'VE NOT SEEN
                        
                        
                                            
                            THAT. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING I'VE
                        
                        
                                            
                            SEEN EVERY REPUBLICAN ACROSS THE
                        
                        
                                            
                            COUNTRY IN WHAT THEY'VE SAID,
                        
                        
                                            
                            BUT I'VE REALLY SEEN A BIG
                        
                        
                                            
                            UPTICK IN CALLING REPUBLICANS A
                        
                        
                                            
                            THREAT TO DEMOCRACY, CALLING OUR
                        
                        
                                            
                            PRESIDENT A NAZI THAT JUST
                        
                        
                                            
                            INCITES AND MOVES PEOPLE WHO MAY
                        
                        
                                            
                            BE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH
                        
                        
                                            
                            ISSUES. SO I THINK THE RHETORIC
                        
                        
                                            
                            NEEDS TO BE TONED DOWN, AND I
                        
                        
                                            
                            HOPE THE DEMOCRATS ARE LEARNING
                        
                        
                                            
                            FROM THIS HORRIBLE INCIDENT.