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So I am here in Laura Coonsburg's normal

seat. So Laura Coonsburg is obviously

not here. It looks like you're in a

containment vessel somewhere. Where are

you?

>> I am in the glorious BBC studios in

Salford

>> just next to the fine fine city of

Manchester

>> because the conservatives are going to

uh Manchester.

>> They are. They are. And so we were

always planning to be here this weekend

to bring our program on Sunday mornings

to our viewers from the venue of the

Troy party conference as is tradition

and convention and speak to the party

leader which we will be doing this

morning. However, for all the wrong

reasons to come to Manchester, this

weekend has proven to be as an

opportunity to go and see and speak to

some of the people in the community

who've been caught up in a terrible

attack on Thursday morning. So, we'll be

talking about the Conservatives hopes

and dreams and fears for the next few

days, but also the ongoing aftermath of

the terrible attack on the synagogue in

Manchester. all on Saturday's newscast.

>> Hello, it's Patty in the studio

>> and it's Laura in the studio in Sulford.

>> So, as you've rightly reminded us, there

are two rivers meeting. Uh, one a terror

attack on British Jews, the other the

annual conference of the conservatives,

the first of for the leader Kem Benedok.

So it seems to me that you've been

bringing these issues together because

is it right you've met Kem Benedok at a

synagogue?

>> Yes. So we went this morning to the

synagogue where the attack took place at

9:31 on Thursday morning. Kem Benedok

made the trip herself to go to the

synagogue to meet the mayor of Greater

Manchester, Andy Barnham, there and also

to speak to some of the police officers

who were on duty today and some of those

also who were part of the effort to help

on Thursday morning after the attack

unfolded.

And while we were there, we spoke to

Cammy Bedno. Um she talked about how

appalled she was at the attack, but she

also had quite a strong criticism of the

government. I think Patty and I do want

to talk about speaking to some of the

people in that community in a second,

but I think that she has this afternoon

sort of upped the political pressure on

the government in terms not of course of

their role in anything to do with this

individual who was killed by the police

to prevent more bloodshed, but in terms

of the government, as she would say,

being responsible for allowing a climate

to develop in this country in the last

couple of years. And she told me that

Kstama and Labor had been responsible

and not done nearly enough to tackle

what she described as homegrown terror.

Those ideologies, extremist ideologies

that she believes have taken hold in

some communities in this country and

that are creating a real climate of fear

for some British Jews. This is how she

explained it.

>> I think that the government could have

been stronger. I think that over the

last few years a lot more should have

been said and done. We cannot tackle

this with nice words and you know asking

everybody to come together faith and

togetherness these it's nice to say

those things but words are not enough.

We need action. We have seen protests uh

since October 7th itself happen in

London and all around our country. A lot

of them being used as a cover for

intimidating Jews. Not enough has been

done to shut them down. The fact that we

had a protest on Yom Kipur after a

terrorist incident that killed Jewish

people I think was extraordinary. The

the way that we're applying our laws is

too feeble. But the prime minister

himself needs to show that he can come

out as strongly against the people who

do this sort of thing as he does against

others. I don't think that that is uh

happening enough. I want to see a lot

more tough action from the prime

minister and a lot more words that will

show Jewish people that they are safe in

this country because what worries me now

is that quite a lot of them are leaving.

I mean, there's been a very strong

conversation in the newspapers and

online and on the airwaves about whether

or not the government went too far to

prescribe Palestine action. And the then

Home Secretary Iet Cooper took to the

newspapers to say there's information

you don't know about, oh member of the

British public, that led us to take this

decision. So although we've heard the

leader of the opposition say the

government hasn't gone far enough,

Laura, both you and I have read

newscasters who feel and viewers to your

program and listeners to mine who feel

actually the government's taken a

misstep. Uh and so there really is a

reminder there for me of the perilous

place we're in in the British

conversation where there is polarization

around all the key issues and now a

political line being drawn when it could

have been an opportunity for unity of

the political classes.

>> It's just an incredibly fraught

situation whichever direction you look

in. And as we are chatting, I'm looking

then at pictures on the screen in the

studio where I'm sitting, which have

just flashed up pictures of people being

arrested at the protest in London for

being in support of Palestine action,

which is a prescribed terror group,

which means that supporting them and

showing support for them is illegal.

There was a protest here also in

Manchester of people wanting to show

their support for Palestinians. But a

counterprotest turned up as well to

object to people protesting. The prime

minister and the home secretary both

went public yesterday and said, "Please

do not, as a mark of respect to the

Jewish community this weekend, please do

not go and exercise your right to

protest on these issues." And then the

prime minister himself this morning was

firmly and roundly criticized by some

Jews who were attending synagogue that

he went to with his wife Victoria this

morning. And that comes the day after

the deputy prime minister was heckled by

people outside the synagogue where the

attack was on Thursday shouting shame on

you. So everywhere you look this

conversation is incredibly fraught and

hot and difficult. and the sort of

politics of terror, if you want to call

it that, are sort of terrifying also for

politicians because everywhere they

look, there is danger and risk. I think

it's also, of course, important to say

that in the Jewish community, like any

other community in this country, nobody

thinks the same. So, while there were

some people

incredibly upset heckling the deputy

prime minister in the street yesterday

when he attended a vigil, there were

also two rabbis that I spoke to today at

a different synagogue in a different

part of Manchester. We'll play some of

that conversation on the program

tomorrow, but they did not share that

level of anger and vitriol almost

towards the government. So certainly

they had very strong concerns about

rising levels of anti-semitism

but they did not hold that kind of

attitude of and bear that real anger

towards government for in their in their

view you know that accusation that they

hadn't done nearly enough. So this is

just about as fraught and tangled as it

gets. And you sort of think Patty, it's

one of those political situations

where you it's very easy to say, "Ah,

you mustn't allow people to do that, but

then what's about this?" Oh, and it's

completely unacceptable to do that. Oh,

but then what about this? And then, of

course, you talked to people who are

right in it as part of their lives. And

I'm aware I've now been talking for a

very, very long time. But I spoke to

three little boys this morning who had

turned up to see what was happening at

the synagogue. three little Jewish boys,

8, 12, and 14.

And they were telling me about how it's

perfectly normal at their school, not

just that they have security, but one of

them said to me, "Every day someone

comes into school and something else has

happened, they might have been shouted

at in the street or had something thrown

at them in the street or something

sprayed at them in the street." And for

these three little boys growing up in

the UK,

that's their norm.

Yes. And I mean it's right to speak and

give airtime to those voices who you've

met this morning. That's the point.

That's why we I think we were hoping you

would expound on how you'd spent the

morning in Manchester and we'll go on to

talk about the conference in more

detail. For my part, I've I've been

speaking to people in Gaza. We've been

calling them today about this trap of

hope and fear. And also I've been

speaking to the family of British

Issraeli hostages who were held or have

been held in Gaza. People do want to

know what kind of message the political

class have for this moment in time. Both

what's happening on our streets in the

United Kingdom and what is happening in

the destroyed streets and in the

destroyed hearts of people uh in the

Middle East. So with that in mind, we

have these protests and this conference

beginning just as we have the biggest

momentum for some kind of stop coming

from the White House who is now

amazingly in dialogue with Hamas.

>> Yeah. And while it seems and our

colleagues in the Middle East have been

reporting very clearly that there are

still many obstacles here, it's also

very clear and a senior figure of the

British government indicated this to me

too that this is the best chance yet

and that the stars do seem to be

aligning at least to make some end to

the bloodshed appear much more likely

than it has

up until this point. So we will we will

see. Um

>> can we say that the political

temperature will go down if the war is

paused? Is that can we say that?

>> I think that's a likely outcome. You

know I think never say never. I mean but

but I think that is a likely outcome. If

you remove

a situation that is so upsetting, so

aggravating

for anyone looking at looking in on it,

if you remove that,

then you might expect that the political

temperature would come down. And

certainly people I spoke to this morning

all said explicitly that the levels of

anti-semitism that dayto-day experience

for Jews in this country has become much

more difficult and much more fraught

since the conflict in Gaza began. Now

can we mean can we therefore conclude

that automatically if there's a solution

and the fighting ends and the killing

ends

that definitively that will cool

temperatures in the UK? I mean I think

we can say that's likely. I don't think

we can say that's automatic.

Um but I think we can say that's we can

say that's likely if because it was the

many people would say this is the it was

the cause of things becoming worse and

more difficult and more fraught. And

certainly people said to me this morning

that that was their experience. I mean

there was one one man I spoke to, one

father I spoke to who told me that his

grandfather had come to the UK having

survived Avitz. He was had always been

proud that Britain was the place that

gave his family a home. Um and he said

you know what I'm not really he said I'm

not I'm not political and said I I look

at what's happening in Gaza. I think

it's terrible but I'm not political and

I don't you know I don't see this as

being anything to do with to do with me.

I'm I'm paraphrasing. We didn't record

this conversation, but he said that what

people had been shouting at him in the

street in the last couple of years was

free Palestine

as a result of what has been happening

in the war in Gaza. And he was

not not not baffled or bewildered but I

think frustrated thinking this is

nothing to do this is nothing to do with

me. I too as a human being look at that

situation and deplore what is happening.

>> Yeah. Because I mean I I have this in my

own experience. So if you take Shiron

Livshitz who I'm speaking to again on BH

tomorrow and who you've spoken to her

father Oded who was murdered as a

hostage in Gaza just three weeks after

he was taken. He all his life fought for

a free Palestinian state. So he was

living in a kabutz. He was a peace. He

drove Palestinians to hospitals in

Israel in happier times. He was taken

hostage. He wanted himself a free

Palestine.

>> He was taken hostage. So the the the

reason why the man the gentleman you've

met whose family fled the Holocaust is

surprised is because to he did not

expect the actions of the Israeli state

which are disputed within Israel itself

by fierce opponents to be directed at

him on the streets in Britain. And

normally what would happen is the

political class would coales to say he's

right. He he should not have shouts on

the street. And that's where that's why

I'm intrigued that there could be a

political fault line between the big

parties about how to respond right now

and what message to give to us as

citizens sharing the same pavements.

>> I think that's exactly right. And what

what do they do? You know, the right to

protest if we think about the protest

for example, the right to protest is a

fundamental right of this country,

right? That is absolutely think of

speaker's corner in years gone by in

hide park or you know it's it's a

fundamental right. No politician is ever

going to say you're not allowed to

protest in the UK. And yet here we are

in this position where it is a subject

of political debate. What are people

allowed to write on placards? Which

particular groups are they allowed to

say that they advocate for? Who is there

a case to say actually on some days of

the year you should be allowed to ban a

march or allowed to ban a protest? Well,

at the same time all our politicians

would say, well, of course free speech

is a good thing. That's a fundamental

British value. But the world that we

live in is so complex that many of these

values are really being tested. I think

it's I think it's fair to say that

without wanting to have a very pompous

philosophical debate on a Saturday

afternoon when you might be, you know,

wanting to watch the football or have a

cup of tea.

>> Well, if anyone if anyone has had a

pompous philosophical debate, it's this

uh weekend newscast. So, we're we're on

good. But let's bring this section to a

close if you like by saying there have

been some fabulous episodes getting to

grips with what happened in Manchester

hosted by Adam in the week and we are

bringing you the flavor of what's

happened with law uh interviews this

morning in Manchester about the

synagogue attack and now we are as

promised going to move on to talk about

the simple old-fashioned business of a

party conference albeit set against

tumultuous times. So let us get to grips

with that. She's new. She's new at

conference as the leader even though

it's 11 months I think now.

>> That's right. And I think Tammy

Benedok's newness

is seen as lots of people is something

that she has not exploited. So there are

lots and lots of problems with the

Conservative party. Newscasters know

this. They're way way way behind in the

polls. They're very unhappy. They're

very disgruntled. chem doesn't really

seem to have been able to catch a break.

And one of the interesting analyses that

was put to me, to use another pompous

word, how unlike me, um was that because

we're now 11 months in, she's sort of

stuck in this place where she's no

longer really new

>> and she didn't grab that opportunity to

make a first impression,

but she's also not been there long

enough to have much public recognition.

>> Yes. much authority

>> because she she said, didn't she as she

took the job, hang on, I want to listen.

I want to go around. I want to groove

the groove. I don't think she said that.

I think that's me. But she said,

>> you always grooving the groove.

>> She was, but what she was saying was,

"I'm in listen mode. We are obviously

going to relaunch." But I think the

launch date she set was 2030, wasn't it?

>> Well, yeah. I mean the the the tag of

fire leadership campaign which now I was

joking with a conservative yesterday

because you know when I was trying to

pick their brains about things and they

were bemoning the fact that basically in

their view she's taken far too long to

come up with anything. I did sort of

gently tease them and say well actually

it did say 2030. You know she she's done

what it said on the on the tin.

>> Yeah. I mean and because the thing is

the drubbing was so severe wasn't it?

They ran out of prime ministers. The

voters told them in no uncertain terms

to get out of office. That happened.

It's so contrasting to the fact that

they appear to be saying the same in

polls to Labor. But on the other hand,

when she took over, that was the

atmosphere that we were reporting at the

time. She had to be humble in the face

of the poll of what had happened.

>> It was. But there are a lot of people in

the Tory party who would tell you that

character-wise she is not a humble

person and that she decided that the

best thing to do was to basically stay

quiet for some time, try and sort the

party out, try and make sure that money

was still coming in from donors and then

at some point come up with a whole load

of policy. Now we are going to see lots

and lots of policy this week,

>> right?

However, I think it's really worth

noting. It's

there's a fair body of opinion in the

Tory party that essentially agrees that

she fudged her chance to make a first

impression and you don't ever get that

back. And while she was hanging back,

Nigel Farage was stepping in to that

vacuum, right? And you know, if you

never quite get it, you don't quite put

your hand up quick enough because

politics is so fast. If you've got a

rival on the right of politics,

obviously discuss actually some of

reform stuff is not particularly

right-wing, but broadly speaking, let's

say if you've got a rival on the right,

the tries don't have the luxury of time.

And that I think is the debate that is

really going on in the background in the

Tory party. right?

>> It's do they have enough time to give

her a chance to sort it out or actually

is the conclusion really that it's

already gone?

>> So in the short time that remains there

are sort of three P's, aren't there?

There's policies, there's personalities

and there's process. Newscasters take it

when we just do personalities and

process. So let's promise to do

policies. But just is it really true

that there is a threat to her leadership

from supporters of Robert Genrich or is

that a flyer?

>> I think it's not true right now at this

very moment in time. Is it a threat that

exists?

Yes, absolutely. Um, is it a threat that

is definitely going to come to pass

before Christmas? Not necessarily. But

is there a very likely very real threat

to her leadership after what they expect

to be a dubbing at the elections in May?

Yes, 100%.

And the only person at this moment in

time who looks like, to quote one source

of mine, he wants to rip up the grass is

Robert Genre. Um, but no, I mean I was

told very clearly, and maybe they would

say this, wouldn't they? I was told very

clearly by by um his camp that there is

no truth in this suggestion that they

are trying to overtly organize at the

moment. Right.

>> Um and I I think and it'll be

interesting to see I suspect that he

might try to do a reverse burnum like

basically not be spotted that much at a

conference deliberately rather than

having a huge profile before. You know,

he could have for example done a few

newspaper interviews or something in the

run-up to conference. Actually, he's not

been out there making headlines

deliberately. Right.

>> So that's quite interesting.

>> A reverse burnum. It's it's it's 2025

lingo that we all suddenly now

understand. But and he was seen as going

too early, wasn't he? So generic might

be saying I must go late. So this

conference I read in your online piece

is all about her says one source. Yes.

But we rule out a weekend uh generic

style challenge. So we're going to just

get scamper through the issues.

>> We'll never rule it out Patty. Don't say

that.

>> But this weekend. I'm ruling it out this

weekend.

>> Well, it's fine if we're wrong. We're

always happy to be wrong.

>> Well, you would be me would be wrong

because you said don't rule it out. So,

I'm ruling it out. But what do I know?

So, what I do know is that at 10:00 last

night, they put out a new policy. Yes.

>> So, and let's turn to some policies

which that they would leave the ECR.

>> Yes.

>> Now, um do we need to say that that's

surprising or because the prime minister

has spoken about tinkering with the ECR?

It is entirely unsurprising that Kemi

Baden is finally going to say out loud

what everybody in her party has been

expecting her to end up saying, that the

Conservatives would leave the European

Convention on Human Rights if they win

the next election. Uh it's entirely

unsurprising that she's saying it now.

Uh it's still undesirable to the

vestigages of the rump of the softy bit

of the Tory party who think why would

you want the UK to be like Barus and

Russia?

>> I want softy bit as a podcast. softy

bit, soft cast. That could be about ice

cream or it could be it could be about

all sorts of things. Let's not go there,

right?

>> Um but that so that's unsurprising.

Here's the question. Uh given that

reform have been saying this for months

and months and months and months and

months.

>> Uh is it going to get them any traction?

So there is a I mean I know I'm a

terrible political nerd rather than

thinking about the policy, but here's

the question. Is it actually going to

get them anywhere by saying this now

debate? Is it going to shift a single

bit of the polls? probably not. You're

right to say and the government actually

is involved in talks on this with other

European countries. The government is

looking at tweaking how it's applied,

how the courts actually use the ECR.

Important also to say for newscasters

that frankly the government has been

saying that for a long time. I think

Iette Cooper even said that to us in

opposition that she would look at some

of it. The big picture is do you need to

tack to the center as Kem Bayox

Conservative Party or do you need to do

what K star is doing which is tackle

reform and it seems to me that there is

an open question. No one can decide. You

need more events to see um well, you

need more policies. Uh and whether

you're not going to go heart and soul

for the center ground, which is kind of

what Tony Blair put as

>> and David Cameron and George Osborne and

kind of Theresa May and sort of Boris

Johnson in his own way, but then you had

Brexit. I was going to say Breakfast,

then you Brexit coming in to surprise

that bit. But I think this is the point.

The Tory party still hasn't really

resolved that,

>> right?

>> So Kemmy Bnock is someone look at her

other policy. She says she'd scrap the

climate change act. Okay. Well, that's

definitely reformy tending, righty

tending rather than the sort of Amber

Rudd, David Cameron, green

conservatives. I still remember the

conference where he appeared in front of

a large tree and the whole thing looked

like the Teletubbies with a sort of

green and pleasant land and all this

kind of stuff. We're not in that mode at

all. But this is what somebody else said

to me. Look, if I want a full fat coke,

I'll have a full fat coke. In other

words, why would you go for the Tories

if they're sort of a slightly softer

version of reform or what they would say

is a much more serious version of a

party on the right because they don't

see reform as a serious party. But if

you're if immigration is your top issue,

this source was suggesting to me you'd

go for reform. You wouldn't go for the

Tories. So the gap in the market that

some conservatives identify is in the

center and the right kind of where the

Lib Dems are. It's not where reform are

and this is debate I think fundamentally

I think the Tory party hasn't resolved

this debate chem's team believe that she

will be able to resolve it this week

that she will stamp her authority she

will say this is what it means to be an

authentic conservative come with me we

will turn it around

but there's a huge question mark about

whether she'll be able to pull it off

and we don't know you know conferences

can be when we were talking last week

right about Kstarma would he have a

terrible week or a decent week would he

be able to do a good speech or Not

actually uh for Kier Armor, he did have

a pretty decent week. Not an easy week,

but he certainly settled the nerves

probably temporarily, frankly, but he

did do some nerve settling because his

speech was one of the better speeches

that he has given. His performance in

various interviews and millions that he

did was a bit more punchy than it has

been for some time. Of course, it's

perfectly possible that Kemmy Blinder

would play Kem Ben will say blinder. Kem

Blinder will play a Bnock. It's

perfectly possible that Kemmy Bnock will

play a Blinder this week, but she'll

surprise people if she does. Right.

>> Well, what they have in common is the

ism though. People said, "What's the

starism?" And they say, "What's the

Benoism?" And with his back against the

wall at his leader speech, he found a

bit more ism said his friends. Do you

know what the ism is in bedism? I think

it is

what she will try and say is a modern

conservatism.

So, not the softy stuff. I think we'll

hear from her things like we've had

enough of foreign courts telling us who

we can deport. We've had enough of

greenies telling us that we have to put

extra cash on energy bills to pay for

wind turbines. We've had enough of

government telling us what we can do and

how to run a business. So, I think that

is the line that we'll sort of hear. So

that takes us to some issues like drill,

baby drill, doesn't it? Because I mean

there's a issue that all of our

listeners in the oil and gas industry

would really understand a big fight

about whether we should give new

licenses for new exploration

>> versus allowing continuing sites to be

continually explored which is a

different sort of license and I think

there's also policy sort of emerging

policy gap emerging there isn't there

>> I think that's absolutely right there is

because you know labor came into

government saying ah everyone will have

clean energy by 2035. It'll all be

marvelous. Now they are sort of say,

"Oh, well, we have to kind of keep oil

and gas for a while and it'll still be

part of the mix for a long time." And oh

dear, let's not make lots of people in

Aberdine particularly incredibly unhappy

by going too fast. You know, it's

talking about a fair transition or a

just transition to green energies. But

Kemmy Badnock is be really trying to

insert the tries into this debate um by

saying she'd get rid of the climate

change act, getting rid of the net zero

target of net zero in the UK by 2050.

That's made Theresa May very very

unhappy because she brought that in as

prime minister. And you know Kevin Bait

not did vote for it at the time. So

she's trying to put herself into that.

>> Well, that is that is an ism. I think

there am I saying in a cynical way,

where's the ism?

>> Well, I think there is an ism.

>> That is an ism, isn't it? which I think

she would say modern conservatism. So

not not your Cameroonianism.

>> Yeah.

>> Not mayism. I think I mean I think when

you talk to her and her her people and

people who back her I think what they

say is look she is trying to carve out a

sort of conservatism for the 2020s that

is culturally conservative. You know,

don't forget one of the reasons people

respect her in the conservative movement

and beyond is because she spoke out in

favor of single sex spaces for women

when that was politically quite a lonely

thing to do. Um, she talked about some

cultures being less valid than others,

which is now uh since she first said it,

I think that's the kind of language that

more politicians might be comfortable

using. So, she was admired for the sort

of plain speaking. So maybe a sort of

plainspeaking

light touch authentic conservatism. I

think we will hear the word authentic

conservatism. Of course to most

newscasters and most like normal

ordinary people unlike a shadow like me.

I mean authentic conservatism. What does

what does that mean? Does that mean like

it really is an antique Chesterfield? Uh

what is that? What what does that mean?

However, I you can see that they are

trying to develop a brand and an

ideology. And I don't mean that

cynically. You know, genuinely here is a

sort of body of thinking, an identity

for the party now.

But the questions about her political

ability to pull it off, the questions

about whether they've left it far too

late because she decided deliberately to

stand back and work through her plans

properly. Those are going to hang over

this conference very, very heavily

indeed.

>> Okay. And I'm not just being a mean old

hack to say it's very common in

conservative circles. You hear people

talking very very freely about the fact

not the fact the conjecture that Kem Bay

may well not be the Tory leader by the

time they gather again for their

conference next year. And beyond that,

you know, senior Tory was saying to me

this morning, it's, you know, it's

perfectly possible to imagine a scenario

where the party kind of falls over and

then doesn't really exist anymore.

>> Ben, you did also say that this is a

moment and she could grasp the moment

and that's why we are going to be

covering the conference. You'll be

interviewing Kobe B. A couple of quick

details. one, November the 2nd is

important in a leadership uh vote this

side of the new year, I understand. And

then there's a karaoke story with which

we need to go out, otherwise the editor

will sack us because the karaoke story

is one of Tim Shipman's many scoops. So

for those people who've never been lucky

enough to come to a political party

conference, uh karaoke is one of the

fine traditions of uh one of the

companies that comes regularly to

conferences and plays host to lots of

the exciting social events around the

conference fringe. And on the last night

of party conference, they put on a

karaoke party at which all sorts of

grizzly performances and events take

place. at which I was once accused of

having danced with Michael Gove, which

was a total fabrication, and then ended

up, however, in Her Majesty's Press,

which was totally untrue, and I was

never stupid enough to sing at a karaoke

party at any of these kinds of events,

although I know many people who did.

>> Ah, I was wondering if you were going to

say Her Majesty's Prisons then, but if

the singing was that

>> Oh, no. That was at the end of the

party.

>> Right. So she said when asked that her

track would not be Gloria Gainer I will

survive because she has more

self-confidence and it's a great scoop

from Tim Shipman. Although I always

thought I will survive is about

self-confidence but then what would I

know? It's a long time ago now. Glory

gain is I will survive.

>> Well it is but it's a great song isn't

it? It's a cracking. I mean I see what

Tim was trying to do there. He said

trying to get a line to say the cadet to

say yes I'll survive and then you have a

headline thanks very much but didn't

quite go there. It reminds me of when we

tal the weekend, you remember we talked

to Paul McCartney and we had Rachel

Reeves and Kemmy Bnock on at the

beginning of the program and I asked

them both what their favorite Beatles

song was.

>> Yes. I mean, you say we, it was you

both.

>> It was me. Sorry. Yeah, it was me. And

then and then Rachel Reeves said, "Oh,

actually I'm a Beyonce fan. I'm not

really into the Beatles." But then did

Name One, I think, or I think she said,

"Hey, Jude." And then Kevin Bagnot did

this big dramatic pause and just said

yellow submarine

which then lots of people went oh but

that's a Ringo Star song or George

Harrison song. Sorry it was George

Harrison wrote it, wasn't it? But then

lots of people got in touch said well

Maka didn't even write that one. So uh I

wasn't that surprised that she didn't

come forward with the karaoke fave. But

maybe we should ask her again tomorrow.

>> Well it's all down to what happens on

the live TV sofa with you. Um well I

think we've got

>> and in the radio studio with you. What

are you doing tomorrow? Well, as I've

said, we will speak to British Israeli

hostage family member Chiron Liv Shitz.

Also joining us is Lord Kinnick to

reflect on current Labor woes. And we'll

talk about reinventing George Smiley in

the new era.

>> Ah, are the malefluous Welsh tones of

Lord Kinn?

>> Yes. And who have you got besides the

Conservative Party leader?

>> Uh, we will be joined back to our first

story that we were discussing. We'll be

joined here in Manchester by the Home

Secretary Shabbana Mammud. So

Shabbanamood and Kelly Bade not both

with us tomorrow.

>> Please join Laura or and or join me by

all the electronic means you prefer and

we'll see you here on or hope you'll see

us to join us here for newscast on

Sunday tomorrow. Thanks very much and

goodbye.

>> Thanks very much. Although that's just

has made me wonder. I wonder if there

are any newscasters who actually watch

the telly and listen to you at the same

time. Be quite a weird experiment. They

could have your voice, which let's face

it, is much nicer, easier on the ears

than mine, and then me wanging on the

telly with the sound down. Or maybe vice

versa.

>> Oh, yeah. And the other option, which we

haven't discussed, is turning turning

turning them both off. So, look, we're

definitely at the end, Laura. Thank you

very much. And goodbye.

>> Goodbye.

Key Vocabulary

Vocabulary	Meanings
attack /əˈtæk/ A2	noun - an aggressive and violent action against a person or place verb - to take aggressive action against someone or something
community /kəˈmjuːnəti/ A2	noun - a group of people living in the same area or sharing interests
government /ˈɡʌvərmənt/ A2	noun - the group of people with authority to govern a country or state
leader /ˈliːdər/ A2	noun - a person who leads or commands a group, organization, or country
policy /ˈpɑːləsi/ B1	noun - a course or principle of action adopted by a government, party, business, etc.
conference /ˈkɑːnfərəns/ B1	noun - a formal meeting for discussion
terror /ˈterər/ B1	noun - extreme fear
security /sɪˈkjʊrəti/ A2	noun - the state of being free from danger or threat
fear /fɪr/ A1	noun - an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous
protest /ˈproʊtest/ B1	noun - an expression of objection or disapproval verb - to express an objection or disapproval
synagogue /ˈsɪnəɡɔːɡ/ B2	noun - a Jewish place of worship
hostage /ˈhɑːstɪdʒ/ B2	noun - a person seized or held as a security for the fulfillment of a condition
bloodshed /ˈblʌdʃɛd/ C1	noun - the killing or wounding of people
speak /spik/ A1	verb - to use words to express thoughts or ideas
meet /mit/ A1	verb - to come into the presence or company of someone
criticize /ˈkrɪtɪsaɪz/ B2	verb - to indicate the faults of someone or something in a disapproving way
tackle /ˈtækəl/ B1	verb - to deal with a difficult problem or task
arrest /əˈrest/ A2	verb - to seize someone and take them into custody, typically because they might be guilty of a crime
terrible /ˈterəbl/ A1	adjective - extremely unpleasant or bad
fraught /frɔːt/ B2	adjective - causing or full of great worry or anxiety