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For three decades, the music, the dance, 00:25
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the King of Pop, the billion-dollar 00:29
entertainer. 00:31
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And then, at the height of his success, 00:41
came the charges, the police 00:44
investigation, and a superstar shaken 00:46
goes into hiding. 00:49
Tonight, 00:51
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Michael Jackson, the interview we've 00:52
been waiting for, live and for the first 00:54
time, [music] the woman he married. Two 00:58
legendary families united. Home videos 01:00
of the wedding that startled the world. 01:03
Lisa Marie Presley, [music] 01:05
Michael Jackson, center stage and on the 01:06
record. 01:10
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Make no mistake about it, for all that 01:25
fantasy and flash, Michael Jackson is 01:27
serious business. Ask anyone in this 01:30
town. Ask the people at Sony Music who 01:32
say his next album and videos alone 01:34
could bring in close to $1 billion 01:37
worldwide. 01:39
So, it's not hard to understand why the 01:41
shockwave of those allegations two years 01:43
ago registered like the last earthquake 01:46
out here. Why everyone wants to know, is 01:48
he really on his way back? 01:50
This is the old MGM set at Sony 01:53
Pictures, where all those dreams were 01:55
put on film. 01:57
Seemed like a good place to begin this 01:58
hour because whatever you think about 02:00
Michael Jackson Motown 02:02
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This is the audition which Michael 02:08
Jackson charms, glides, and spins his 02:10
family into stardom. 02:13
But we've also heard the other side of 02:16
this fairy tale. The brothers claim that 02:17
their father drove them brutally, beat 02:20
them. 02:22
This is the man Michael said made him 02:23
nauseous with fear. 02:25
I didn't know anything about him being 02:27
sick but he regurgitated but if he 02:29
did regurgitated he he regurgitated all 02:32
the way to the bank. 02:35
But on stage the little boy felt 02:39
invulnerable wielding the voice that 02:41
wouldn't change for the next 25 years. 02:44
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Even as the singer radically changed. 02:50
We sat down a week and a half ago to 02:53
talk only about music. We looked at the 02:55
Ed Sullivan show, 1970. 02:58
He remembers exactly what he was 03:00
thinking. 03:02
That the whole world was like watching. 03:03
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My father used to always say 03:07
don't mess up. You know, and 03:09
I felt I knew all every part. If and if 03:13
something went wrong I felt I could 03:15
cover it. 03:16
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But by adolescence a private [music] 03:23
price was being paid. He said it was 03:24
agony when people stared clearly wishing 03:27
that he was still that cute little boy. 03:30
At the time his [music] mother worried 03:32
that he was withdrawing. 03:34
Michael's quiet now. When he was younger 03:37
he wasn't that quiet. But I don't know. 03:39
I think the stage might have done that 03:42
to him. Being around you know everyday 03:43
people and stuff I feel strange. I do. 03:45
Shy? Yeah. 1979, 2020. He told Sylvia 03:48
Chase, "People won't let him be just 03:53
normal." They won't talk to me like they 03:55
would 03:57
a next door neighbor. 03:58
I wanted to do the five spins then go on 04:00
the toes and freeze there and just hold 04:03
it and stay there, you know, and I 04:05
didn't but 04:07
they didn't know. 04:08
It's the devil's bargain, a 04:10
perfectionist trying to give the 04:11
audience more, a chameleon whose changes 04:13
are more and more extreme, making you 04:15
wonder if it's all still part of his 04:18
plan or like Faust, his prison. As even 04:19
today, Jackson obsesses 04:22
over every word, every move, every 04:24
sound. Listen. 04:26
Hit it. 04:29
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What you're hearing is not an electric 04:34
drum machine, it's a hardwired 48-track 04:36
digitally mastered human. What I mean so 04:39
I'll take that and use that as the main 04:41
foundation for the track and build 04:44
all the sounds around that. What I'm 04:46
saying? 04:49
So whatever the future, the music will 04:55
always be inside the man who says soon 04:58
he'll be back where he's most at home. 05:01
Are you really anxious to get back on 05:04
stage? 05:06
Um 05:07
I miss the fans. Yeah. I 05:09
That's my chance to get to really, you 05:12
know, see them and feel their presence. 05:14
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And you do a concert and it's like 05:32
100,000 people out there 05:34
and you see a sea of people singing 05:36
along to your music and holding up 05:38
candles and you go, "Wow." 05:40
You know, it just really makes your 05:43
heart happy and that's what really make 05:45
you feel like everything's okay. 05:46
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But as we said 2 years ago that shy man 06:03
faced some grave accusations that he had 06:06
molested a young boy. 06:08
As the headlines raged, a lot of people 06:11
wondered if what had seemed merely 06:13
eccentric was in fact something 06:14
sinister. 06:16
And the children always around him, were 06:17
they lured by a seducer? 06:19
The lingering question was, was Michael 06:22
Jackson guilty or had he been put 06:23
through 2 years of unequaled injustice 06:25
and hell? 06:29
For parents, a warning, it's an adult 06:31
topic. 06:33
This was the allegation. A 12-year-old 06:34
boy said that over a period of 4 months 06:37
while repeatedly sleeping alone in the 06:39
same bed with Michael Jackson, there was 06:41
kissing, then fondling. 06:44
The boy said he had protested but 06:48
Jackson had wept saying it was all 06:50
right, other boys had done it with him. 06:52
That was the allegation. But for the 06:55
prosecution, there were problems. The 06:57
boy had spoken at the urging of his 06:59
father who was also seeking custody. 07:02
And the father had talked to the Jackson 07:05
camp about money. $20 million according 07:06
to the Jackson team. This is that father 07:09
talking to someone he knew on tape. If I 07:12
go through with this, I win big time. 07:15
There's no way that I lose. But whatever 07:17
the circumstances of the disclosure, 07:19
authorities say they believed the boy's 07:21
story. 07:23
The investigation of Michael Jackson was 07:25
set in motion and within days hit the 07:26
airwaves. Tonight, a police 07:28
investigation into allegations that 07:31
Michael Jackson sexually abused a young 07:33
boy. The pop star Michael Jackson under 07:35
investigation for alleged child abuse. 07:38
It was a tabloid feeding frenzy as 07:43
people who worked for Jackson shopped 07:45
stories all claiming titillating 07:47
knowledge of what they called his 07:50
special friends. 07:51
And even when some of Jackson's young 07:53
friends tried to defend him, they raised 07:55
other troubling questions. This an 07:57
11-year-old boy, Brett Barnes, talking 08:00
to a TV interviewer. 08:02
When you'd have sleepovers and you'd 08:04
stay in the same room or the same bed, 08:06
did that seem unusual to you at all? No. 08:07
Cuz I slept on one side of the bed, he 08:10
slept on the other, and that was that. 08:12
After several months of headlines, 08:14
Jackson, on tour and then reportedly in 08:16
treatment for addiction to painkillers, 08:19
returned to the United States and 08:21
submitted to a series of police 08:23
photographs. Sources say to see if they 08:24
matched his accuser's description of 08:27
identifying marks on what authorities 08:29
called his private parts. 08:32
December 22nd, Jackson went public. 08:35
Don't treat me like a criminal cuz I am 08:37
innocent. 08:39
I have been forced to submit to a 08:41
dehumanizing 08:43
and humiliating examination by the Santa 08:45
Barbara County Sheriff Department and 08:47
the Los Angeles Police Department 08:49
earlier this week. 08:51
They served a search warrant on me which 08:52
allowed them to view and photograph my 08:55
body including my penis, 08:57
my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs, and 08:59
any other area that they wanted. One 09:03
month later, January 25th, 1994, Michael 09:06
Jackson settled the civil suit filed by 09:09
his young accuser. 09:11
How much? Reportedly in the neighborhood 09:13
of 15 to 20 million dollars. 09:15
After the settlement, the boy refused to 09:18
testify in the criminal case. So, after 09:19
13 months of headlines, the prosecutor 09:22
said it was over. We must decline 09:24
prosecution 09:27
involving Mr. Jackson. 09:29
They had no other children who would 09:31
come forward in court and none of the 09:33
employees who claimed to have seen 09:35
questionable things had a story that 09:37
could be confirmed by a child. 09:39
To this day, a number of investigators 09:44
remain convinced that glamour and money 09:46
are so attractive they can produce 09:48
loyalty and silence. While Jackson's 09:50
team insists that it ended because 09:53
nothing happened in the first place. 09:56
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And with me, of course, Michael Jackson 09:59
and Lisa Marie Presley. Welcome to 10:01
Primetime. Glad you're here. 10:03
It occurs to me looking at the two of 10:05
you, I have got to start by asking how 10:07
this marriage 10:10
took place, how it began. Let me guess 10:11
that it was not over miniature golf and 10:14
a and a hot dog someplace. 10:17
When did it start? When was the dating? 10:19
Well, we first met. She was 7 years old 10:23
and I was 17. 10:26
This was in Las Vegas. She used to come 10:28
and see my show all the time. We had the 10:30
only family show on the strip. 10:32
It was the Jackson 5 and um 10:35
she used to come as a little girl and 10:37
sit right up front. She came quite 10:39
often. She came with a lot of 10:41
bodyguards. 10:42
And had you stayed in touch over all 10:44
these years? 10:45
Sure. Sure. Then she'd come backstage 10:46
and I, you know, talk and say hi. Then 10:48
she'd come again. 10:50
And I thought she was sweet and loving 10:51
and I hope I I always hoped I'd see her 10:53
again. 10:54
And who first talked about marriage? 10:55
We didn't stay in touch after that. We 10:56
didn't stay in touch after that, no. 10:58
He 11:00
He had go ahead. You want to say 11:01
what happened? 11:03
can say You can say it. You have a good 11:04
memory. No, you said you were going to 11:05
say it. Our first argument here on this 11:07
hour. Um who who proposed? I mean, how 11:10
did marriage actually get discussed? 11:13
Well, Well, at first, this is what 11:16
happened. When she was 18, I used to 11:17
tell my lawyer, John Branca, "Do you 11:20
know Lisa Marie Presley?" Go, "Well, I 11:22
represent her mother." I go, "Well, can 11:25
you get in touch with her cuz 11:28
I think she's really cute." And he'd 11:29
laugh every time. 11:31
He goes, "I'll do my best." That's what 11:33
he'd say. 11:34
Then he'd come back. I said, "Well, did 11:35
you find out?" He said, "No, there's 11:36
nothing." So, I would worry him about 11:39
this all the time. And the next thing I 11:41
know, there's a picture on a magazine 11:43
cover and where she's married, which 11:45
really tore me to pieces. 11:47
And then cuz I felt that was supposed to 11:49
be me. I really did. And what What was 11:51
the countdown to your marriage? Tell me 11:54
who said the word marriage first? 11:57
He did. When? Where? When? Where? 11:59
Oh, yeah. Yeah, on the telephone. 12:02
asked me. We were dating now for 4 12:04
months. Um 12:06
right? 4 months? I don't remember. Well, 12:09
anyway, we were spending a lot of time 12:11
together. I don't know how it didn't 12:12
manage to get in the press cuz we 12:13
weren't hiding it. 12:14
I was in Las Vegas. We were in Never 12:16
mind. 12:18
Everywhere. I went to Never mind. We 12:18
were in bookstores. We were in 12:19
bookstores. We were not hiding it. And 12:20
you said yes right away? I was separated 12:22
for 4 months, and I said he said, "What 12:24
would you do if I asked you 12:26
to marry me?" And I said, "I would." 12:28
Um A big I would. Oh, you were really 12:30
enthu- enthusiastic. 12:32
[laughter] 12:34
I have to ask you this because I can 12:35
only imagine the number of lawyers 12:36
involved in a prenuptial agreement 12:38
between these two fortunes. 12:41
Is there one? 12:44
A careful one? Well, we've worked out 12:46
things, and we've signed certain things, 12:48
but of course, that's very confidential. 12:50
We agree. We made agreements prior, yes. 12:52
As you know, the reaction to this 12:55
marriage, and I know you feel strongly 12:58
about it, but the reaction to this 12:59
marriage has been across the spectrum, 13:01
everything from astonishment 13:02
to delight 13:04
to suspicion. 13:06
That it was somehow 13:08
too convenient. 13:11
Lisa, did Did you ask Michael about the 13:13
charges? 13:16
Did the two of you talk about the impact 13:18
of the marriage on the allegations? 13:21
Absolutely not. He called I was in touch 13:23
with him through the whole process of 13:26
this charges going on. I was talking to 13:27
him when he disappeared. 13:31
I was actually supposed to go to San 13:32
Juan, Puerto Rico when 13:34
he left and disappeared and I got a call 13:36
that he wasn't going to be there and I 13:39
was actually part of the whole thing 13:41
with him but talking to him on the 13:42
phone. 13:44
So, I didn't Did you say to him, are 13:45
they true? No, I didn't. 13:46
No. 13:49
I actually did not. 13:50
I want to take a minute here and I'm 13:52
going to come back to the carriage. 13:54
sorry. He He went on and on and on about 13:55
it. So, I didn't really have to say, are 13:59
the allegations true? It was 14:01
you know, 14:03
[screaming] 14:04
on the phone, you know, 14:04
and just constant, yeah. 14:06
Well, because I know that you've wanted 14:09
to express similar sentiments for a long 14:11
time. I want to ask a few things about 14:13
the charges but first I want to 14:15
establish for the viewers here, there 14:16
are no ground rules. You have said to me 14:18
you were not afraid of any questions. 14:20
So, wanted that understood by everybody 14:22
before we proceed. 14:25
I think I want to begin 14:28
by making sure that the terms are clear. 14:31
You have said that you would never harm 14:34
a child. I want to be specific as I can. 14:35
Did you ever 14:39
as this young boy said you did, did you 14:41
ever 14:43
sexually engage, fondle, have sexual 14:45
contact with this child or any other 14:49
child? Never, ever. I could never harm a 14:52
child or anyone. It's not in my heart. 14:55
It's not who I am 14:58
and it's not what I meant I'm not even 14:59
interested in that. And what do you 15:01
think should be done to someone who does 15:03
that? 15:05
To someone who does that, what I think 15:06
it should be done, gee, 15:08
I think they need help 15:10
in some kind of way, 15:12
you know? 15:14
How about the police photographs though? 15:15
How was there enough information from 15:17
this boy about those kinds of things? 15:19
The police photographs 15:22
Absolutely so. they took of me. There 15:23
was nothing that matched me to those 15:24
charges. 15:26
That's why I'm sitting here talking to 15:28
you today. Every There was not one iota 15:30
of information that was found that could 15:32
connect me So when we've heard that 15:35
there was a marking of some kind No 15:36
markings. No markings. 15:39
No. 15:40
Why did you settle 15:41
still here then? 15:42
You're not going to ask me about that, 15:43
are you? 15:44
Sorry, about the markings. 15:45
You can volunteer. No, I'm just The 15:47
point is is that when that finally got 15:49
concluded that there was no match up 15:51
then it was printed this big as opposed 15:53
to how big it was what the match up was 15:56
supposed to be. It didn't work. It never 15:58
It never It isn't so. 16:00
Why did you settle the case then? Why 16:02
did you settle the case? And And it 16:04
looks to everyone as if you paid a huge 16:05
amount of money. 16:08
That's Most of that's for silence. 16:09
I talked to my lawyers and I said, "Can 16:11
you guarantee me that justice will 16:13
prevail?" And they said, "Michael, we 16:15
cannot guarantee you that a judge or 16:17
jury will do anything." And with that, I 16:19
was like catatonic. I was outraged. 16:22
How much money was it? 16:24
Totally outraged. So what I said 16:25
I have got to do something to get out 16:28
from under this nightmare. All these 16:30
lies and all these people coming forward 16:32
to get paid and and these tabloid shows 16:34
just lies lies lies lies. So what I did, 16:36
we got together again with my advisers 16:39
and they advised me it was hands down a 16:41
unanimous decision resolve the case. 16:44
This could be something that could go on 16:46
for 7 years. How much money was Let's 16:48
get it behind us. Can you say how much? 16:50
It's not what the tabloids have printed. 16:53
It's not all this crazy outlandish one. 16:55
No, it's not at all. I mean, the terms 16:56
of the agreement are very confidential. 16:58
You are barred to discuss it. 17:00
They They 17:02
The specific terms 17:03
terms The specific amounts The idea is 17:04
just isn't fair what they put me through 17:07
cuz there wasn't one piece of 17:09
information that says I did that in any 17:11
way. They turned my room upside down, 17:14
went through all my books, all my video 17:16
tapes, all my private things, and they 17:18
found nothing. Nothing, nothing that can 17:20
say Michael Jackson did this. Nothing. 17:22
But let me ask you a couple of 17:24
questions. 17:25
Still, nothing. Let me ask you a couple 17:26
Nothing, nothing, nothing. Nothing. I 17:29
got nothing. 17:31
As you may or may not know, we have 17:33
called everyone we can call, we have 17:35
checked everything we can check. We have 17:36
gone and tried to see if what we heard 17:38
before is in fact the case. I want to 17:40
ask you about two things. 17:42
These reports that we read over and over 17:44
again that in your rooms they found 17:45
photographs of young boys, Not of young 17:47
boys. 17:50
of children, all kind of girls and 17:51
everything. And that they found 17:53
photographs, books, of young boys who 17:54
were undressed. 17:57
No. Didn't happen. No. Not that I know 17:59
of, unless people sent me things that I 18:02
haven't opened. People sent People know 18:04
my love for children, so they send me 18:06
books from all over the world, from 18:08
South America, from Germany, from Italy, 18:10
from Sweden, So if people say that that 18:12
they found those things, if there's an 18:14
indication, let them come forward, let 18:16
them produce them, right? 18:17
Yeah, because I get all I I get all kind 18:18
You wouldn't believe the amounts of mail 18:20
that I get. And if you say to somebody, 18:22
you know, you if I let the fans know I 18:25
love Charlie Chaplin, I'll be swarmed in 18:26
Charlie Chaplin paraphernalia. One of 18:28
the 18:30
I say I love children, which I do, they 18:31
swarm me with everything pertaining to 18:33
kids. Any other settlements 18:34
in process now or previously with 18:37
children making these kinds of claims? 18:39
We have heard that there is one. Not Not 18:42
a case that the prosecutors would bring 18:45
in court, but that once again, you're 18:46
talking about shelling out No, that's 18:48
not true. No. No. No, it's not true. I 18:50
think I've heard everything is fine and 18:52
there are no others. 18:54
I guess Let me ask this, and I'm trying 18:56
to think how to phrase it, though. 18:58
I can hear out in the country 19:01
[clears throat] 19:03
people saying and and you've been 19:04
cleared of all the charges, we want to 19:05
make that clear. People saying, "Look, 19:07
here is a man who is surrounded by 19:09
things that children love. Here is a man 19:12
who's spent an inordinate amount of time 19:13
with these young boys. 19:16
What is a 36-year-old man doing sleeping 19:18
with a 12-year-old boy or a series of 19:23
them? Right. Okay, when you say boys, 19:26
it's not just boys and I've never 19:28
invited just boys to come in my room. 19:29
Come on, that's ridiculous. That's a 19:31
ridiculous question. But I since people 19:33
want to hear it, 19:35
you know, the answer, I'll be happy to 19:36
answer it. I have never invited anyone 19:38
into my bed ever. Children love me, I 19:40
love them. They follow me. They want to 19:43
be with me. But anybody can come in my 19:45
bed. Child can come in my bed if they 19:47
want. 19:48
I can say sorry. I've seen this. I've 19:49
seen it a lot. I've seen kids. I've seen 19:51
him with children in the last year. I've 19:53
seen it enough to where I can see how 19:55
that can happen. It's you know, I 19:57
understand 19:59
Isn't part of being an adult and you 20:00
have a two-year-old child? 20:01
Two-year-old boy. Yeah, let me just let 20:03
me just sorry. I I just wanted to say 20:05
that I've seen these children. They 20:06
don't let him go to the bathroom without 20:08
running in there with him. And they 20:10
won't let him out of their sight. So 20:12
when he jumps in the bed, I'm even out. 20:13
You know, they they jump in the bed with 20:15
him. But isn't part of being an adult 20:16
and loving children keeping children 20:20
from ambiguous 20:21
situations? 20:23
And again, we're talking about over an 20:25
intense period of time here. 20:27
Would you 20:31
let your son when he grows up 20:32
and is 12 years old do that? You know 20:34
what? If I if I didn't know who Michael 20:36
no way. 20:39
But I happen to know who he is and what 20:40
he is and that makes it 20:41
you know, I know that he's not you know, 20:44
I know that he's not like that and I 20:46
know he has a thing for children and I 20:47
go ahead. Sorry. I just wonder is it 20:49
over? You're going to make sure it 20:51
doesn't happen again. I think this is 20:53
really the thing people want to know 20:54
that that there not going to be more of 20:56
these sleepovers in which people have to 20:58
wonder. Nobody wonders when kids sleep 21:00
over at my house. But are they over? Are 21:03
you are you going to watch out for it 21:05
now? 21:07
Watch out for what? for 21:07
sake of the children and for everything 21:08
you've been through. 21:10
it's all moral and it's all pure. I 21:11
don't even think that way. It's not 21:13
what's in my heart. So, you'll you'll do 21:14
it again? 21:17
Do what again? I mean, you'll have a 21:18
child sleeping over. 21:20
They want Yes. 21:21
It's on the level of purity and love and 21:23
just innocence, complete innocence. If 21:24
you're talking about sex, then that's a 21:27
nut. That's not me. Go to the guy down 21:29
the street cuz it's not Michael Jackson. 21:31
It's not what I'm interested in. 21:33
Okay, but Elizabeth Taylor talked to us 21:34
a little bit about what she saw when she 21:37
went over 21:39
and talked to you in the middle of this, 21:40
what she called agony. And one of the 21:43
things she was so I think she was so 21:44
angry about with us was that she said 21:47
people always talk about one side of a 21:49
person. They never give them credit for 21:51
their accomplishments, particularly what 21:52
they give to children and the money you 21:55
give to children. That's how it starts. 21:56
When he's on tour, 21:59
he goes to hospitals 22:01
without the press following him, 22:03
without anyone knowing. 22:05
He'll get up in a disguise and do it. 22:08
Take his disguise off when he's there, 22:10
and kids know, "Wow, it's Michael 22:12
Jackson." 22:14
Was there no point at which you said to 22:15
yourself, 22:17
reading everything everybody had been 22:18
reading, 22:20
"Maybe this is true. Maybe I completely 22:23
didn't understand who he was." No way. 22:26
Absolutely not. Never. Never. 22:29
I know Michael's heart. 22:33
I know 22:35
his mind and his soul. 22:36
I'm not that insensitive, 22:38
especially to him or people I love. How 22:42
did you decide to go to Singapore? 22:45
He was my friend. 22:48
He was alone. He was totally alone. 22:50
And he just uh 22:55
he needed help. 22:59
Nothing in the world could have hurt him 23:01
more. If it had been calculated 23:03
if they'd planned an assassination, they 23:06
couldn't have done it any better. 23:08
It almost 23:11
it almost broke his heart. 23:12
She says she recognized a friend turning 23:14
to painkillers for escape. He wasn't 23:17
aware of what was happening. He was 23:20
dulling his pain. 23:22
But it really frightened me because I 23:25
have been there. 23:27
And I I know how easy it is to get there 23:28
when you're in mental 23:30
or physical pain. And 23:32
he knew right away that he had to 23:35
deal with it, too. 23:38
Not right away. 23:39
Not right away, but he knew. 23:42
There were some reports during this 23:46
period, Michael, that it was such agony 23:48
for you that you were actually suicidal. 23:50
Is that true? I was never suicidal. I 23:54
love life too much to ever be suicidal. 23:56
I'm resilient. I have rhinoceros skin. 23:59
Never, ever suicidal. 24:02
Did it leave you 24:05
though 24:06
Heartbroken, but not suicidal. 24:07
Did it leave you changed completely? I 24:10
I've talked to you a little bit about 24:13
what you're thinking about where you 24:14
want to live 24:15
in the world. Did it change your view 24:17
about living here? You thinking about 24:18
living someplace else? I don't care to 24:20
stay in America anymore. No. 24:21
I I don't care. I I will always have 24:24
Neverland, you know, because I I love 24:26
Neverland, but I don't like I'm very 24:28
sensitive to the smog. 24:30
You know, so I can't have the smog. 24:33
And uh I would like to go abroad. 24:35
Matter of fact, I am. 24:38
You are? Yes. 24:39
Oh, I haven't decided exact place yet. 24:41
Probably South Africa. To live 24:43
permanently? Maybe uh Switzerland. 24:45
Lisa, are you 24:49
just in favor of it? Wait, just going 24:50
into the fact that we don't live in 24:52
separate houses for to start this 24:53
don't even have This is just me 24:55
drinking. 24:56
with the cameras. Anyway, um Sorry. 24:57
No, jump in. 25:00
What What do I feel about the overseas 25:01
thing? I think that it's a nice place to 25:02
visit, yes. I would like to have a a 25:04
house over there. Mhm. 25:06
I'd be completely and utterly harassed 25:08
beyond belief, but 25:10
Before we move away from the last 2 25:13
years, we told you because we want to 25:15
that we are going to show what is really 25:17
your comment of those 2 years, and it is 25:19
a video you've done with your sister 25:23
Janet called Scream. And in it you have 25:24
some words for middle-aged people who 25:27
can't follow these words. 25:29
Uh the words you'll hear will be about 25:31
confusion, bashing, victimizing. Stop 25:34
pressuring me, he says. 25:37
Makes me want to scream the last 2 25:39
years. 25:41
We have some wedding video of the two of 25:46
you, and I'm going to let you tell us a 25:49
little bit about what we're seeing here. 25:50
If our director Roger Goodman wants to 25:52
roll it in, we will take you there a 25:54
year ago, right? Just about exactly. I 25:56
look like an idiot, I can tell you that. 26:00
look like an idiot. You look more like a 26:02
No. 26:04
Do you want me to tell you watching it? 26:06
Tell us. 26:08
We're watching. 26:08
Tell us we're watching here live. 26:10
I do. 26:22
I do. 26:24
From the middle years, he asks for his 26:26
autograph. 26:27
You know 26:32
Thank you more. 26:34
Yeah, I did it. All right, but now we're 26:35
out of time. 26:37
Congratulations. Thank you. 26:43
Congratulations, and then we'll then 26:47
we'll do the rings, okay? Thanks. 26:48
You do? Yes. She He do it. 26:51
He does it. question. You put it on her 26:54
first, okay? And when you put it you say 26:56
with this ring I do it. With this ring I 26:59
do it. Right. And you do it the same 27:02
thing. When you put his ring as you say 27:04
with this ring I do it. 27:06
Right now? 27:08
So, I know that you Lisa Marie have 27:10
wanted to talk about this. There are a 27:12
lot of doubters about this marriage. 27:14
I've heard that it's a Scientology plan. 27:17
You're a member of the Church of 27:19
Scientology which is said to influence 27:20
its members greatly and that 27:23
the husband you divorced was 27:25
Scientologist and he's still very much 27:26
in your life and this is all part of a 27:28
calculation to get Michael and his money 27:30
into the church. Mhm. 27:32
Do you think It's crap. I'm sorry. It 27:35
It's like ridiculous. It's ridiculous. 27:37
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever 27:39
heard. I'm not 27:40
Um first of all you can't get influenced 27:41
by anything 27:43
um 27:45
like that and and on under a term of a 27:45
marriage. Um 27:48
I'm not going to marry somebody for any 27:50
reason other than the fact that I fell 27:51
in love with him. Period. Period. And 27:52
they can eat it if they want to think 27:54
anything different. 27:56
To put it succinctly. 27:57
Yeah. 27:58
What is it you love the most about him? 27:59
Oh. Um what do I love the most about 28:02
him? 28:05
Everything. Every He's amazing. I really 28:06
admire him. I respect him. I admire him. 28:08
I'm in love with him. 28:10
And no we don't sleep in separate 28:11
bedrooms. Thank you very much. And um 28:13
I love everything about him. To finish 28:16
up on that though, are you a 28:18
Scientologist? Are No. No. Plan to 28:19
become one? I believe in spirituality 28:22
and I believe in a higher source such as 28:25
God, but I'm not a Scientologist. I read 28:27
everything. I like to read. I love to 28:30
study. 28:31
You said you don't sleep in separate 28:33
bedrooms and I'm going to confess, okay, 28:34
this is live TV and I'm copping out 28:37
right here because I didn't spend my 28:39
life as a serious journalist to ask 28:40
these kinds of questions, but I'm not 28:43
oblivious to the fact that your fans had 28:44
one question they most wanted to ask of 28:48
you. Do we have sex? We have you She She 28:51
She didn't ask. I don't know. I don't 28:55
know. I want to ask. Okay. You don't 28:57
know what it was going to be. 28:58
Is that what you were going to ask? 29:00
Let's play just a minute or two. Sorry. 29:00
Let's play one or two. We want to know 29:02
if you've done the thing. Michael, I 29:04
know that this is an intimate question, 29:07
but are you having sex together with 29:09
Lisa Marie? 29:12
Do you guys really love each other or 29:14
you're just doing this to satisfy the 29:15
media? 29:17
Are you guys intimate? 29:18
Again I can't believe it. This is about 29:21
the skepticism. 29:23
Yes. Yes. Yes. And we have read in the 29:25
papers that you are expecting a child. 29:28
We will be expecting a child. Now, when 29:32
I'm not going to We're not going to say 29:34
when. It's in the hands of the heavens, 29:36
but not yet. Did we marry out of 29:38
convenience? That's really interesting 29:40
to me. Really interesting to me. Why? 29:42
Well, why wouldn't we have a lot in 29:44
common? That's the question. Why? Why 29:46
not? 29:48
Like we're faking this? 29:48
Like No, but you can't live with 29:49
somebody day-to-day. We're together all 29:50
the time, first of all. Second thing, 29:52
how can you fake that 24 hours a day 29:54
with somebody, sleeping with somebody, 29:56
waking up with somebody, having the 29:57
He's running around the house, I'm 29:58
running around the house. You were in 29:59
our house. We have a normal house. We 30:01
have a nanny. We have a maid. And we 30:02
walk around and he's either in the 30:04
studio, I'm in the kitchen. We're 30:05
running around like normal, I know it's 30:06
hard to believe, people. 30:08
You go shopping together. You 30:09
We go shopping. We go out to dinner. We 30:11
argue sometimes. 30:13
And About what, may I say? 30:16
We also heard a report that maybe you 30:20
were planning to adopt the children. Oh, 30:21
I would love to adopt children. I think 30:23
that's something I've always wanted to 30:25
do, but children of all races, Arab 30:26
children, 30:28
Jewish children, black children, it's 30:29
all races. But Lisa's children, the 30:31
We I love Lisa's children, but it's been 30:35
a mission 30:36
or 30:37
Pardon? To adopt them, though. Oh, I 30:37
love her children. They're sweet. But to 30:39
adopt, no. Of course. 30:41
But he they have a biological father and 30:44
he's the he's their I think they love me 30:46
very much. I love them. 30:48
They do. We have a lot of fun. 30:49
never heard of that before personally of 30:51
someone adopting someone's children 30:52
while they're in a relationship with 30:54
that person. We're going to show you a 30:55
film now created by Michael Jackson and 30:57
it is causing a furor in some movie 31:00
theaters around this country. They say 31:03
among other things that it is clearly 31:05
modeled after Triumph of the Will, Leni 31:07
Riefenstahl, a Nazi film It's not true. 31:10
None of that's true. None of those 31:13
things are true. 31:14
Did you watch that film before you did 31:15
it? I watch everything. 31:16
I love movies. I love documentaries. Had 31:18
nothing to do with that at all. But 31:20
there are people who keep saying this is 31:22
They look at it and say this is 31:25
Absolutely not. 31:26
You know what? 31:28
to do with politics or communism or 31:28
fascism well at all. The critics have 31:31
said that it's the most boldly vain 31:33
glorious self deification of pop singer 31:36
ever undertook with a straight face. 31:39
Good. That's what I wanted. 31:41
For the controversy? [snorts] 31:43
Yeah. And for the people who say that 31:44
those symbols matter 31:46
wanted 31:46
I wanted everybody's attention. 31:47
But for the people who say those symbols 31:49
matter, they're about the suffering 31:51
Symbols has nothing to do with that. 31:53
It's not political. It's not fascist. 31:55
It's not dogma. It's not you know 31:57
ideology and all of this stuff. It's 31:59
pure simple love. You don't see any 32:01
tanks. You don't see any cannons. It's 32:03
about love. It's people coming together 32:05
about love. 32:07
We're going to let everybody watch a bit 32:08
of this. Art is art. Okay. 32:09
The way a director would use the medium 32:11
to create art. Here it come. 32:13
[music] 32:45
[music] 33:09
[music] 33:34
Well, as we said, we're going to clearly 33:47
agree to disagree maybe on what this 33:49
means to some people watching it. 33:51
There's been another issue raised in a 33:54
song you say Jew me, sue me, and some 33:56
people are saying that that is 33:59
anti-Semitic. It's not anti-Semitic 34:00
because I'm not a racist person. I could 34:03
never be a racist. I love all races of 34:05
people from Arabs to Jewish people, like 34:07
I said before, to blacks. But when I say 34:10
Jew me, sue me, everybody do me, kick 34:12
me, kike me, don't you black or white 34:14
me, I'm talking about myself as the 34:16
victim. 34:17
You know, my my accountant and lawyers 34:19
are Jewish. My three best friends are 34:21
Jewish, David Geffen, Jeffrey 34:23
Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, Mike 34:25
Milken. These are friends of mine. 34:27
They're all Jewish. So, how does that 34:28
make sense? I was raised in a Jewish 34:30
community. I want to ask you both about 34:32
something cuz it was the second most 34:34
asked question by people on the street. 34:35
And I know I know it's a sensitive issue 34:37
for you and you talked with Oprah about 34:40
it, but somehow people still are not 34:42
They don't feel they've heard everything 34:46
about 34:49
the whiteness of your skin and that it's 34:50
not somehow a choice on your part along 34:54
with the makeup to be is it to be 34:57
neither black or white neither 35:00
to look completely male to be in the 35:04
androgynous zone. 35:06
I I think they want to know it is a 35:08
decision on your part some way. 35:10
The way you look. Where does it come 35:14
from? 35:16
I think it creates itself, nature. 35:17
He's He's an artist. He has every right 35:20
and he's constantly remodifying 35:24
something or changing it or 35:27
reconstructing it or you know, working 35:28
on some imperfection that he thinks 35:30
needs to be worked on. If he sees 35:32
something he doesn't like, he changes 35:33
it. Period. He re-sculpted himself. He's 35:34
an artist. 35:36
I might want to put a red dot right 35:37
there one day. 35:38
But two eyes right here. Do you wish you 35:39
were 35:41
the color you were again? Do I wish I 35:42
was the color again? 35:45
that. I loved I love black. 35:46
Do you wish you were that way? 35:48
I envy her cuz she can tan and I can't. 35:50
One more question I want to make sure I 35:53
ask. Are you going to sing together? No, 35:54
the I would love to sing with you. 35:57
Would you like to sing with me? 36:00
sing? I don't sing. I I did sing, but 36:02
that's not why I married Michael. 36:05
Um I don't need that. That's ridiculous. 36:07
If I wanted it I mean, I'm not going to 36:10
marry someone for a recording career 36:11
just to clear that up as well. 36:13
Um 36:14
What? 36:17
Stop. 36:18
And as our ends, I'd like to just ask 36:19
each of you for a one-sentence answer. 36:21
Time's so short. 36:23
Where do you want to be in 5 years? 36:25
Oh boy, uh I love what I'm doing now and 36:28
to do everything I can to help the 36:31
children. And hello Bobby Sherrod. 36:32
I just want people to know what they're 36:35
dealing with before and understand that 36:37
I'm not the, you know, that we are not 36:39
the jokes, the degrading comments, all 36:41
that kind of stuff. It's really 36:43
irritating. So I didn't get to get into 36:45
that. This is over already, but um stuff 36:47
We want to choke them. 36:50
All right. So 5 years from 36:52
believe the garbage. All the tabloid 36:53
junk. Don't read it. Don't listen to it. 36:55
It's garbage. It's junk. It's stupid. 36:57
And so enough of it. And tonight is 37:00
over. 37:03

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[English]
[music]
For three decades, the music, the dance,
[music]
the King of Pop, the billion-dollar
entertainer.
[music]
And then, at the height of his success,
came the charges, the police
investigation, and a superstar shaken
goes into hiding.
Tonight,
[music]
Michael Jackson, the interview we've
been waiting for, live and for the first
time, [music] the woman he married. Two
legendary families united. Home videos
of the wedding that startled the world.
Lisa Marie Presley, [music]
Michael Jackson, center stage and on the
record.
[music]
[music]
Make no mistake about it, for all that
fantasy and flash, Michael Jackson is
serious business. Ask anyone in this
town. Ask the people at Sony Music who
say his next album and videos alone
could bring in close to $1 billion
worldwide.
So, it's not hard to understand why the
shockwave of those allegations two years
ago registered like the last earthquake
out here. Why everyone wants to know, is
he really on his way back?
This is the old MGM set at Sony
Pictures, where all those dreams were
put on film.
Seemed like a good place to begin this
hour because whatever you think about
Michael Jackson Motown
[music]
This is the audition which Michael
Jackson charms, glides, and spins his
family into stardom.
But we've also heard the other side of
this fairy tale. The brothers claim that
their father drove them brutally, beat
them.
This is the man Michael said made him
nauseous with fear.
I didn't know anything about him being
sick but he regurgitated but if he
did regurgitated he he regurgitated all
the way to the bank.
But on stage the little boy felt
invulnerable wielding the voice that
wouldn't change for the next 25 years.
[music]
Even as the singer radically changed.
We sat down a week and a half ago to
talk only about music. We looked at the
Ed Sullivan show, 1970.
He remembers exactly what he was
thinking.
That the whole world was like watching.
[music]
My father used to always say
don't mess up. You know, and
I felt I knew all every part. If and if
something went wrong I felt I could
cover it.
[music]
But by adolescence a private [music]
price was being paid. He said it was
agony when people stared clearly wishing
that he was still that cute little boy.
At the time his [music] mother worried
that he was withdrawing.
Michael's quiet now. When he was younger
he wasn't that quiet. But I don't know.
I think the stage might have done that
to him. Being around you know everyday
people and stuff I feel strange. I do.
Shy? Yeah. 1979, 2020. He told Sylvia
Chase, "People won't let him be just
normal." They won't talk to me like they
would
a next door neighbor.
I wanted to do the five spins then go on
the toes and freeze there and just hold
it and stay there, you know, and I
didn't but
they didn't know.
It's the devil's bargain, a
perfectionist trying to give the
audience more, a chameleon whose changes
are more and more extreme, making you
wonder if it's all still part of his
plan or like Faust, his prison. As even
today, Jackson obsesses
over every word, every move, every
sound. Listen.
Hit it.
[music]
What you're hearing is not an electric
drum machine, it's a hardwired 48-track
digitally mastered human. What I mean so
I'll take that and use that as the main
foundation for the track and build
all the sounds around that. What I'm
saying?
So whatever the future, the music will
always be inside the man who says soon
he'll be back where he's most at home.
Are you really anxious to get back on
stage?
Um
I miss the fans. Yeah. I
That's my chance to get to really, you
know, see them and feel their presence.
[music]
[music]
[music]
And you do a concert and it's like
100,000 people out there
and you see a sea of people singing
along to your music and holding up
candles and you go, "Wow."
You know, it just really makes your
heart happy and that's what really make
you feel like everything's okay.
[music]
[music]
But as we said 2 years ago that shy man
faced some grave accusations that he had
molested a young boy.
As the headlines raged, a lot of people
wondered if what had seemed merely
eccentric was in fact something
sinister.
And the children always around him, were
they lured by a seducer?
The lingering question was, was Michael
Jackson guilty or had he been put
through 2 years of unequaled injustice
and hell?
For parents, a warning, it's an adult
topic.
This was the allegation. A 12-year-old
boy said that over a period of 4 months
while repeatedly sleeping alone in the
same bed with Michael Jackson, there was
kissing, then fondling.
The boy said he had protested but
Jackson had wept saying it was all
right, other boys had done it with him.
That was the allegation. But for the
prosecution, there were problems. The
boy had spoken at the urging of his
father who was also seeking custody.
And the father had talked to the Jackson
camp about money. $20 million according
to the Jackson team. This is that father
talking to someone he knew on tape. If I
go through with this, I win big time.
There's no way that I lose. But whatever
the circumstances of the disclosure,
authorities say they believed the boy's
story.
The investigation of Michael Jackson was
set in motion and within days hit the
airwaves. Tonight, a police
investigation into allegations that
Michael Jackson sexually abused a young
boy. The pop star Michael Jackson under
investigation for alleged child abuse.
It was a tabloid feeding frenzy as
people who worked for Jackson shopped
stories all claiming titillating
knowledge of what they called his
special friends.
And even when some of Jackson's young
friends tried to defend him, they raised
other troubling questions. This an
11-year-old boy, Brett Barnes, talking
to a TV interviewer.
When you'd have sleepovers and you'd
stay in the same room or the same bed,
did that seem unusual to you at all? No.
Cuz I slept on one side of the bed, he
slept on the other, and that was that.
After several months of headlines,
Jackson, on tour and then reportedly in
treatment for addiction to painkillers,
returned to the United States and
submitted to a series of police
photographs. Sources say to see if they
matched his accuser's description of
identifying marks on what authorities
called his private parts.
December 22nd, Jackson went public.
Don't treat me like a criminal cuz I am
innocent.
I have been forced to submit to a
dehumanizing
and humiliating examination by the Santa
Barbara County Sheriff Department and
the Los Angeles Police Department
earlier this week.
They served a search warrant on me which
allowed them to view and photograph my
body including my penis,
my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs, and
any other area that they wanted. One
month later, January 25th, 1994, Michael
Jackson settled the civil suit filed by
his young accuser.
How much? Reportedly in the neighborhood
of 15 to 20 million dollars.
After the settlement, the boy refused to
testify in the criminal case. So, after
13 months of headlines, the prosecutor
said it was over. We must decline
prosecution
involving Mr. Jackson.
They had no other children who would
come forward in court and none of the
employees who claimed to have seen
questionable things had a story that
could be confirmed by a child.
To this day, a number of investigators
remain convinced that glamour and money
are so attractive they can produce
loyalty and silence. While Jackson's
team insists that it ended because
nothing happened in the first place.
[music]
And with me, of course, Michael Jackson
and Lisa Marie Presley. Welcome to
Primetime. Glad you're here.
It occurs to me looking at the two of
you, I have got to start by asking how
this marriage
took place, how it began. Let me guess
that it was not over miniature golf and
a and a hot dog someplace.
When did it start? When was the dating?
Well, we first met. She was 7 years old
and I was 17.
This was in Las Vegas. She used to come
and see my show all the time. We had the
only family show on the strip.
It was the Jackson 5 and um
she used to come as a little girl and
sit right up front. She came quite
often. She came with a lot of
bodyguards.
And had you stayed in touch over all
these years?
Sure. Sure. Then she'd come backstage
and I, you know, talk and say hi. Then
she'd come again.
And I thought she was sweet and loving
and I hope I I always hoped I'd see her
again.
And who first talked about marriage?
We didn't stay in touch after that. We
didn't stay in touch after that, no.
He
He had go ahead. You want to say
what happened?
can say You can say it. You have a good
memory. No, you said you were going to
say it. Our first argument here on this
hour. Um who who proposed? I mean, how
did marriage actually get discussed?
Well, Well, at first, this is what
happened. When she was 18, I used to
tell my lawyer, John Branca, "Do you
know Lisa Marie Presley?" Go, "Well, I
represent her mother." I go, "Well, can
you get in touch with her cuz
I think she's really cute." And he'd
laugh every time.
He goes, "I'll do my best." That's what
he'd say.
Then he'd come back. I said, "Well, did
you find out?" He said, "No, there's
nothing." So, I would worry him about
this all the time. And the next thing I
know, there's a picture on a magazine
cover and where she's married, which
really tore me to pieces.
And then cuz I felt that was supposed to
be me. I really did. And what What was
the countdown to your marriage? Tell me
who said the word marriage first?
He did. When? Where? When? Where?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, on the telephone.
asked me. We were dating now for 4
months. Um
right? 4 months? I don't remember. Well,
anyway, we were spending a lot of time
together. I don't know how it didn't
manage to get in the press cuz we
weren't hiding it.
I was in Las Vegas. We were in Never
mind.
Everywhere. I went to Never mind. We
were in bookstores. We were in
bookstores. We were not hiding it. And
you said yes right away? I was separated
for 4 months, and I said he said, "What
would you do if I asked you
to marry me?" And I said, "I would."
Um A big I would. Oh, you were really
enthu- enthusiastic.
[laughter]
I have to ask you this because I can
only imagine the number of lawyers
involved in a prenuptial agreement
between these two fortunes.
Is there one?
A careful one? Well, we've worked out
things, and we've signed certain things,
but of course, that's very confidential.
We agree. We made agreements prior, yes.
As you know, the reaction to this
marriage, and I know you feel strongly
about it, but the reaction to this
marriage has been across the spectrum,
everything from astonishment
to delight
to suspicion.
That it was somehow
too convenient.
Lisa, did Did you ask Michael about the
charges?
Did the two of you talk about the impact
of the marriage on the allegations?
Absolutely not. He called I was in touch
with him through the whole process of
this charges going on. I was talking to
him when he disappeared.
I was actually supposed to go to San
Juan, Puerto Rico when
he left and disappeared and I got a call
that he wasn't going to be there and I
was actually part of the whole thing
with him but talking to him on the
phone.
So, I didn't Did you say to him, are
they true? No, I didn't.
No.
I actually did not.
I want to take a minute here and I'm
going to come back to the carriage.
sorry. He He went on and on and on about
it. So, I didn't really have to say, are
the allegations true? It was
you know,
[screaming]
on the phone, you know,
and just constant, yeah.
Well, because I know that you've wanted
to express similar sentiments for a long
time. I want to ask a few things about
the charges but first I want to
establish for the viewers here, there
are no ground rules. You have said to me
you were not afraid of any questions.
So, wanted that understood by everybody
before we proceed.
I think I want to begin
by making sure that the terms are clear.
You have said that you would never harm
a child. I want to be specific as I can.
Did you ever
as this young boy said you did, did you
ever
sexually engage, fondle, have sexual
contact with this child or any other
child? Never, ever. I could never harm a
child or anyone. It's not in my heart.
It's not who I am
and it's not what I meant I'm not even
interested in that. And what do you
think should be done to someone who does
that?
To someone who does that, what I think
it should be done, gee,
I think they need help
in some kind of way,
you know?
How about the police photographs though?
How was there enough information from
this boy about those kinds of things?
The police photographs
Absolutely so. they took of me. There
was nothing that matched me to those
charges.
That's why I'm sitting here talking to
you today. Every There was not one iota
of information that was found that could
connect me So when we've heard that
there was a marking of some kind No
markings. No markings.
No.
Why did you settle
still here then?
You're not going to ask me about that,
are you?
Sorry, about the markings.
You can volunteer. No, I'm just The
point is is that when that finally got
concluded that there was no match up
then it was printed this big as opposed
to how big it was what the match up was
supposed to be. It didn't work. It never
It never It isn't so.
Why did you settle the case then? Why
did you settle the case? And And it
looks to everyone as if you paid a huge
amount of money.
That's Most of that's for silence.
I talked to my lawyers and I said, "Can
you guarantee me that justice will
prevail?" And they said, "Michael, we
cannot guarantee you that a judge or
jury will do anything." And with that, I
was like catatonic. I was outraged.
How much money was it?
Totally outraged. So what I said
I have got to do something to get out
from under this nightmare. All these
lies and all these people coming forward
to get paid and and these tabloid shows
just lies lies lies lies. So what I did,
we got together again with my advisers
and they advised me it was hands down a
unanimous decision resolve the case.
This could be something that could go on
for 7 years. How much money was Let's
get it behind us. Can you say how much?
It's not what the tabloids have printed.
It's not all this crazy outlandish one.
No, it's not at all. I mean, the terms
of the agreement are very confidential.
You are barred to discuss it.
They They
The specific terms
terms The specific amounts The idea is
just isn't fair what they put me through
cuz there wasn't one piece of
information that says I did that in any
way. They turned my room upside down,
went through all my books, all my video
tapes, all my private things, and they
found nothing. Nothing, nothing that can
say Michael Jackson did this. Nothing.
But let me ask you a couple of
questions.
Still, nothing. Let me ask you a couple
Nothing, nothing, nothing. Nothing. I
got nothing.
As you may or may not know, we have
called everyone we can call, we have
checked everything we can check. We have
gone and tried to see if what we heard
before is in fact the case. I want to
ask you about two things.
These reports that we read over and over
again that in your rooms they found
photographs of young boys, Not of young
boys.
of children, all kind of girls and
everything. And that they found
photographs, books, of young boys who
were undressed.
No. Didn't happen. No. Not that I know
of, unless people sent me things that I
haven't opened. People sent People know
my love for children, so they send me
books from all over the world, from
South America, from Germany, from Italy,
from Sweden, So if people say that that
they found those things, if there's an
indication, let them come forward, let
them produce them, right?
Yeah, because I get all I I get all kind
You wouldn't believe the amounts of mail
that I get. And if you say to somebody,
you know, you if I let the fans know I
love Charlie Chaplin, I'll be swarmed in
Charlie Chaplin paraphernalia. One of
the
I say I love children, which I do, they
swarm me with everything pertaining to
kids. Any other settlements
in process now or previously with
children making these kinds of claims?
We have heard that there is one. Not Not
a case that the prosecutors would bring
in court, but that once again, you're
talking about shelling out No, that's
not true. No. No. No, it's not true. I
think I've heard everything is fine and
there are no others.
I guess Let me ask this, and I'm trying
to think how to phrase it, though.
I can hear out in the country
[clears throat]
people saying and and you've been
cleared of all the charges, we want to
make that clear. People saying, "Look,
here is a man who is surrounded by
things that children love. Here is a man
who's spent an inordinate amount of time
with these young boys.
What is a 36-year-old man doing sleeping
with a 12-year-old boy or a series of
them? Right. Okay, when you say boys,
it's not just boys and I've never
invited just boys to come in my room.
Come on, that's ridiculous. That's a
ridiculous question. But I since people
want to hear it,
you know, the answer, I'll be happy to
answer it. I have never invited anyone
into my bed ever. Children love me, I
love them. They follow me. They want to
be with me. But anybody can come in my
bed. Child can come in my bed if they
want.
I can say sorry. I've seen this. I've
seen it a lot. I've seen kids. I've seen
him with children in the last year. I've
seen it enough to where I can see how
that can happen. It's you know, I
understand
Isn't part of being an adult and you
have a two-year-old child?
Two-year-old boy. Yeah, let me just let
me just sorry. I I just wanted to say
that I've seen these children. They
don't let him go to the bathroom without
running in there with him. And they
won't let him out of their sight. So
when he jumps in the bed, I'm even out.
You know, they they jump in the bed with
him. But isn't part of being an adult
and loving children keeping children
from ambiguous
situations?
And again, we're talking about over an
intense period of time here.
Would you
let your son when he grows up
and is 12 years old do that? You know
what? If I if I didn't know who Michael
no way.
But I happen to know who he is and what
he is and that makes it
you know, I know that he's not you know,
I know that he's not like that and I
know he has a thing for children and I
go ahead. Sorry. I just wonder is it
over? You're going to make sure it
doesn't happen again. I think this is
really the thing people want to know
that that there not going to be more of
these sleepovers in which people have to
wonder. Nobody wonders when kids sleep
over at my house. But are they over? Are
you are you going to watch out for it
now?
Watch out for what? for
sake of the children and for everything
you've been through.
it's all moral and it's all pure. I
don't even think that way. It's not
what's in my heart. So, you'll you'll do
it again?
Do what again? I mean, you'll have a
child sleeping over.
They want Yes.
It's on the level of purity and love and
just innocence, complete innocence. If
you're talking about sex, then that's a
nut. That's not me. Go to the guy down
the street cuz it's not Michael Jackson.
It's not what I'm interested in.
Okay, but Elizabeth Taylor talked to us
a little bit about what she saw when she
went over
and talked to you in the middle of this,
what she called agony. And one of the
things she was so I think she was so
angry about with us was that she said
people always talk about one side of a
person. They never give them credit for
their accomplishments, particularly what
they give to children and the money you
give to children. That's how it starts.
When he's on tour,
he goes to hospitals
without the press following him,
without anyone knowing.
He'll get up in a disguise and do it.
Take his disguise off when he's there,
and kids know, "Wow, it's Michael
Jackson."
Was there no point at which you said to
yourself,
reading everything everybody had been
reading,
"Maybe this is true. Maybe I completely
didn't understand who he was." No way.
Absolutely not. Never. Never.
I know Michael's heart.
I know
his mind and his soul.
I'm not that insensitive,
especially to him or people I love. How
did you decide to go to Singapore?
He was my friend.
He was alone. He was totally alone.
And he just uh
he needed help.
Nothing in the world could have hurt him
more. If it had been calculated
if they'd planned an assassination, they
couldn't have done it any better.
It almost
it almost broke his heart.
She says she recognized a friend turning
to painkillers for escape. He wasn't
aware of what was happening. He was
dulling his pain.
But it really frightened me because I
have been there.
And I I know how easy it is to get there
when you're in mental
or physical pain. And
he knew right away that he had to
deal with it, too.
Not right away.
Not right away, but he knew.
There were some reports during this
period, Michael, that it was such agony
for you that you were actually suicidal.
Is that true? I was never suicidal. I
love life too much to ever be suicidal.
I'm resilient. I have rhinoceros skin.
Never, ever suicidal.
Did it leave you
though
Heartbroken, but not suicidal.
Did it leave you changed completely? I
I've talked to you a little bit about
what you're thinking about where you
want to live
in the world. Did it change your view
about living here? You thinking about
living someplace else? I don't care to
stay in America anymore. No.
I I don't care. I I will always have
Neverland, you know, because I I love
Neverland, but I don't like I'm very
sensitive to the smog.
You know, so I can't have the smog.
And uh I would like to go abroad.
Matter of fact, I am.
You are? Yes.
Oh, I haven't decided exact place yet.
Probably South Africa. To live
permanently? Maybe uh Switzerland.
Lisa, are you
just in favor of it? Wait, just going
into the fact that we don't live in
separate houses for to start this
don't even have This is just me
drinking.
with the cameras. Anyway, um Sorry.
No, jump in.
What What do I feel about the overseas
thing? I think that it's a nice place to
visit, yes. I would like to have a a
house over there. Mhm.
I'd be completely and utterly harassed
beyond belief, but
Before we move away from the last 2
years, we told you because we want to
that we are going to show what is really
your comment of those 2 years, and it is
a video you've done with your sister
Janet called Scream. And in it you have
some words for middle-aged people who
can't follow these words.
Uh the words you'll hear will be about
confusion, bashing, victimizing. Stop
pressuring me, he says.
Makes me want to scream the last 2
years.
We have some wedding video of the two of
you, and I'm going to let you tell us a
little bit about what we're seeing here.
If our director Roger Goodman wants to
roll it in, we will take you there a
year ago, right? Just about exactly. I
look like an idiot, I can tell you that.
look like an idiot. You look more like a
No.
Do you want me to tell you watching it?
Tell us.
We're watching.
Tell us we're watching here live.
I do.
I do.
From the middle years, he asks for his
autograph.
You know
Thank you more.
Yeah, I did it. All right, but now we're
out of time.
Congratulations. Thank you.
Congratulations, and then we'll then
we'll do the rings, okay? Thanks.
You do? Yes. She He do it.
He does it. question. You put it on her
first, okay? And when you put it you say
with this ring I do it. With this ring I
do it. Right. And you do it the same
thing. When you put his ring as you say
with this ring I do it.
Right now?
So, I know that you Lisa Marie have
wanted to talk about this. There are a
lot of doubters about this marriage.
I've heard that it's a Scientology plan.
You're a member of the Church of
Scientology which is said to influence
its members greatly and that
the husband you divorced was
Scientologist and he's still very much
in your life and this is all part of a
calculation to get Michael and his money
into the church. Mhm.
Do you think It's crap. I'm sorry. It
It's like ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever
heard. I'm not
Um first of all you can't get influenced
by anything
um
like that and and on under a term of a
marriage. Um
I'm not going to marry somebody for any
reason other than the fact that I fell
in love with him. Period. Period. And
they can eat it if they want to think
anything different.
To put it succinctly.
Yeah.
What is it you love the most about him?
Oh. Um what do I love the most about
him?
Everything. Every He's amazing. I really
admire him. I respect him. I admire him.
I'm in love with him.
And no we don't sleep in separate
bedrooms. Thank you very much. And um
I love everything about him. To finish
up on that though, are you a
Scientologist? Are No. No. Plan to
become one? I believe in spirituality
and I believe in a higher source such as
God, but I'm not a Scientologist. I read
everything. I like to read. I love to
study.
You said you don't sleep in separate
bedrooms and I'm going to confess, okay,
this is live TV and I'm copping out
right here because I didn't spend my
life as a serious journalist to ask
these kinds of questions, but I'm not
oblivious to the fact that your fans had
one question they most wanted to ask of
you. Do we have sex? We have you She She
She didn't ask. I don't know. I don't
know. I want to ask. Okay. You don't
know what it was going to be.
Is that what you were going to ask?
Let's play just a minute or two. Sorry.
Let's play one or two. We want to know
if you've done the thing. Michael, I
know that this is an intimate question,
but are you having sex together with
Lisa Marie?
Do you guys really love each other or
you're just doing this to satisfy the
media?
Are you guys intimate?
Again I can't believe it. This is about
the skepticism.
Yes. Yes. Yes. And we have read in the
papers that you are expecting a child.
We will be expecting a child. Now, when
I'm not going to We're not going to say
when. It's in the hands of the heavens,
but not yet. Did we marry out of
convenience? That's really interesting
to me. Really interesting to me. Why?
Well, why wouldn't we have a lot in
common? That's the question. Why? Why
not?
Like we're faking this?
Like No, but you can't live with
somebody day-to-day. We're together all
the time, first of all. Second thing,
how can you fake that 24 hours a day
with somebody, sleeping with somebody,
waking up with somebody, having the
He's running around the house, I'm
running around the house. You were in
our house. We have a normal house. We
have a nanny. We have a maid. And we
walk around and he's either in the
studio, I'm in the kitchen. We're
running around like normal, I know it's
hard to believe, people.
You go shopping together. You
We go shopping. We go out to dinner. We
argue sometimes.
And About what, may I say?
We also heard a report that maybe you
were planning to adopt the children. Oh,
I would love to adopt children. I think
that's something I've always wanted to
do, but children of all races, Arab
children,
Jewish children, black children, it's
all races. But Lisa's children, the
We I love Lisa's children, but it's been
a mission
or
Pardon? To adopt them, though. Oh, I
love her children. They're sweet. But to
adopt, no. Of course.
But he they have a biological father and
he's the he's their I think they love me
very much. I love them.
They do. We have a lot of fun.
never heard of that before personally of
someone adopting someone's children
while they're in a relationship with
that person. We're going to show you a
film now created by Michael Jackson and
it is causing a furor in some movie
theaters around this country. They say
among other things that it is clearly
modeled after Triumph of the Will, Leni
Riefenstahl, a Nazi film It's not true.
None of that's true. None of those
things are true.
Did you watch that film before you did
it? I watch everything.
I love movies. I love documentaries. Had
nothing to do with that at all. But
there are people who keep saying this is
They look at it and say this is
Absolutely not.
You know what?
to do with politics or communism or
fascism well at all. The critics have
said that it's the most boldly vain
glorious self deification of pop singer
ever undertook with a straight face.
Good. That's what I wanted.
For the controversy? [snorts]
Yeah. And for the people who say that
those symbols matter
wanted
I wanted everybody's attention.
But for the people who say those symbols
matter, they're about the suffering
Symbols has nothing to do with that.
It's not political. It's not fascist.
It's not dogma. It's not you know
ideology and all of this stuff. It's
pure simple love. You don't see any
tanks. You don't see any cannons. It's
about love. It's people coming together
about love.
We're going to let everybody watch a bit
of this. Art is art. Okay.
The way a director would use the medium
to create art. Here it come.
[music]
[music]
[music]
Well, as we said, we're going to clearly
agree to disagree maybe on what this
means to some people watching it.
There's been another issue raised in a
song you say Jew me, sue me, and some
people are saying that that is
anti-Semitic. It's not anti-Semitic
because I'm not a racist person. I could
never be a racist. I love all races of
people from Arabs to Jewish people, like
I said before, to blacks. But when I say
Jew me, sue me, everybody do me, kick
me, kike me, don't you black or white
me, I'm talking about myself as the
victim.
You know, my my accountant and lawyers
are Jewish. My three best friends are
Jewish, David Geffen, Jeffrey
Katzenberg, Steven Spielberg, Mike
Milken. These are friends of mine.
They're all Jewish. So, how does that
make sense? I was raised in a Jewish
community. I want to ask you both about
something cuz it was the second most
asked question by people on the street.
And I know I know it's a sensitive issue
for you and you talked with Oprah about
it, but somehow people still are not
They don't feel they've heard everything
about
the whiteness of your skin and that it's
not somehow a choice on your part along
with the makeup to be is it to be
neither black or white neither
to look completely male to be in the
androgynous zone.
I I think they want to know it is a
decision on your part some way.
The way you look. Where does it come
from?
I think it creates itself, nature.
He's He's an artist. He has every right
and he's constantly remodifying
something or changing it or
reconstructing it or you know, working
on some imperfection that he thinks
needs to be worked on. If he sees
something he doesn't like, he changes
it. Period. He re-sculpted himself. He's
an artist.
I might want to put a red dot right
there one day.
But two eyes right here. Do you wish you
were
the color you were again? Do I wish I
was the color again?
that. I loved I love black.
Do you wish you were that way?
I envy her cuz she can tan and I can't.
One more question I want to make sure I
ask. Are you going to sing together? No,
the I would love to sing with you.
Would you like to sing with me?
sing? I don't sing. I I did sing, but
that's not why I married Michael.
Um I don't need that. That's ridiculous.
If I wanted it I mean, I'm not going to
marry someone for a recording career
just to clear that up as well.
Um
What?
Stop.
And as our ends, I'd like to just ask
each of you for a one-sentence answer.
Time's so short.
Where do you want to be in 5 years?
Oh boy, uh I love what I'm doing now and
to do everything I can to help the
children. And hello Bobby Sherrod.
I just want people to know what they're
dealing with before and understand that
I'm not the, you know, that we are not
the jokes, the degrading comments, all
that kind of stuff. It's really
irritating. So I didn't get to get into
that. This is over already, but um stuff
We want to choke them.
All right. So 5 years from
believe the garbage. All the tabloid
junk. Don't read it. Don't listen to it.
It's garbage. It's junk. It's stupid.
And so enough of it. And tonight is
over.

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allegation

/ˌælɪˈɡeɪʃən/

C1
  • noun
  • - a claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong

investigation

/ɪnˌvɛstɪˈɡeɪʃən/

B2
  • noun
  • - the action of investigating something or someone

innocent

/ˈɪnəsənt/

B1
  • adjective
  • - not guilty of a crime or offense

settlement

/ˈsɛtəlmənt/

B2
  • noun
  • - an official agreement intended to resolve a dispute or conflict

perfectionist

/pərˈfɛkʃənɪst/

C1
  • noun
  • - a person who refuses to accept any standard short of perfection

chameleon

/kəˈmiːliən/

C2
  • noun
  • - a person who changes their opinions or behavior to suit the situation

agony

/ˈæɡəni/

C1
  • noun
  • - extreme physical or mental suffering

vulnerable

/ˈvʌlnərəbəl/

B2
  • adjective
  • - exposed to the possibility of being attacked or harmed

suicidal

/ˌsuːɪˈsaɪdəl/

C1
  • adjective
  • - deeply unhappy and having thoughts of killing oneself

resilient

/rɪˈzɪliənt/

C1
  • adjective
  • - able to withstand or recover quickly from difficult conditions

glamour

/ˈɡlæmər/

B2
  • noun
  • - an attractive or exciting quality that makes certain people or things seem appealing

humiliating

/hjuːˈmɪlieɪtɪŋ/

B2
  • adjective
  • - making someone feel ashamed or foolish by injuring their dignity

confidential

/ˌkɒnfɪˈdɛnʃəl/

B2
  • adjective
  • - intended to be kept secret

catatonic

/ˌkætəˈtɒnɪk/

C2
  • adjective
  • - immobile or unresponsive

skepticism

/ˈskɛptɪˌsɪzəm/

C1
  • noun
  • - an attitude of doubt

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