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Hello everyone, welcome to the Don’t Understand Podcast. I am the host Yuan Li

Before this episode starts, I want to say one thing first.

May 27th, the Don’t Understand Podcast will celebrate its third anniversary

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The following is the program

What can overseas Chinese do for people within the high wall

Teacher Li Li Ying’s experience can especially answer this question

Starting from the White Paper Movement

Teacher Li, who had just graduated in Italy at the time

gradually turned his Twitter account into an information distribution center linking both inside and outside the high wall

Those who are on Douyin, Weibo and other domestic Internet platforms

Content that cannot appear or disappears

appears overseas through anonymous submissions

and becomes a huge threat that the CCP cannot ignore

This year, Mr. Li launched two activities

One focuses on the issue of overtime learning in primary and secondary schools

The other focuses on the issue of overtime work in the workplace

These two issues are not new

It can even be said that there are complaints but no way to start

Why should he pay attention to these two issues

Are these actions useful

What is the relationship between them and the controversial Li coin

Today we invited Teacher Li

Ask him to talk about these two actions

and why he thinks such actions can empower Chinese citizens to participate

Hello Teacher Li

Hello Sister Yuan Li

Listeners who don’t understand the podcast Hello everyone

I am Teacher Li

Can you first introduce to everyone

Why did you think of doing the two projects of overtime study and overtime work

At the beginning

It was because during the Spring Festival

many, many students submitted articles to us

told us that their schools would start on the fifth day of the fifth grade

Then I hope we can speak up for them or report on them

After such submissions gradually increased

If you send them one by one or in a series of time

The effect does not seem to be very good

And if it is a common problem

Is there a way for us to count and record these things

At that time, some friends in the team said

Can we use a form

Just like the 996.ICU project

Go to a school that publicizes these problems

At that time we thought this idea was quite good

Then we decided to try it

We made a small attempt at the beginning

We also used this 996.ICU

A similar name

We called it 611.ICU

What does the number 611 mean

It actually means school at six in the morning

Then school ends at 11 o'clock in the evening

This is also a common problem when many students

come to us to report the situation of their schools

...

We are actually quite shocked

We just know that today's students have become like this

So we decided to say

Then we will use the name 611.ICU

Let’s name this small action of ours

Why should we pay attention to these two issues

It is also because of my account

From the very beginning

In fact, the two largest groups

are workers and students

Just these two groups

are usually in my private mailbox

The people who contribute the most to me

When they encounter such problems

Then they will come and tell me

Can you help me speak out

I think this matter

If you really want to talk about it

I feel very surprised

That is if you really touch it

When you really challenge it, you will find that

it is not something that cannot be defeated

On the contrary,

when we gather enough people

It is possible for us to change it

So we later

put forward a slogan

to call your situation loud and clear

That is, we hope

that everyone can realize that

their rights can be fought for

and can be seen

One of the foundations for the change of our entire society

is that we start to fight for our own rights

Then I can also add some information

The 996.ICU project

...

mentioned by Teacher Li just now is an open source project launched by a Chinese programmer

on GitHub in 2019

To work 996 sick ICU

It satirizes the overwork culture prevalent in the Internet industry

Calls on everyone to list the list of companies that implement the 996 work system

...

This project received a lot of media coverage that year

Some major Internet companies

also blocked this website

But in general

until today

Overwork and overtime

are still

a very common situation among major Internet companies

I would also like to add that

this is the form

In fact, there is a tradition

...

that started after 996.ICU

including the later words. It seems that a lot of this

similar things

happened on Tencent documents.

Then for example,

people from some major Internet companies

collectively wrote on a document

to fill in their situation

or a corporate blacklist.

I just want to tell everyone

which companies

need lightning protection and so on

And later

it became very popular

The Star Returning Plan

was also

done on domestic documents at the beginning

It was everyone's initiative

to fill in

the personal information of their missing relatives

Our first project

was to transplant the Stars Returning Home Project

to Google's form.

After the Stars Returning Home Project was banned in China,

we quickly transplanted it to Google

and then transplanted it overseas

Then we

based on its original

may have collected more than

more than 1,000 pieces of data

Then we began to think that

this was a feasible path

We did the following two

You launched it on February 1st

National primary, middle and high school overtime learning report box

In less than a month

we received submissions from 2581 middle schools across the country

Did you think there would be so many submissions

How did they know

...

You can come here to submit articles. Among the people who submit articles,

are there more parents

or more students

So far,

we have received

submissions from more than 4,000 schools.

There are probably

more than 12,000 high schools in the country.

So we have actually collected

Quite a certain proportion of schools

So in my opinion

it already represents

a very common data

In terms of this result,

I actually thought of

but I didn’t expect

because although students’ education is involved

Overtime learning

It is a relatively common problem

At the same time, on the one hand, I have received

a lot of such private message submissions in the past

On the other hand,

there are also many institutions in China

which are constantly doing research and statistics in this area

For example, some studies

were conducted on 140,000 teenagers

and were tested

and found that 31% had depression

More than 30% have anxiety

and 42% have

sleep disorders and other problems

Regarding this part-time worker

it was in 23 years

In fact, the official data is the youth unemployment rate

which is close to 20%

So in this regard

I can think

There should be more data

Because the base number is very large

But

I may have thought at first

that there would not be so many people submitting

because I think there may be many people

Although he said that he had such a situation

But he didn't want to express it

Or he was based on various pressures

or problems

Obviously everyone's positivity

is beyond my imagination

And it's obvious that the number of people jumping over the wall

is much more than we imagined

One-third of the schools in the country

Contribute to us

That means one-third of the schools

In fact, students can climb over the wall

This is actually

one of the things that surprised me the most

There are so many people climbing over the wall, right

That's right

Not only you

but they are also very surprised

We received a lot of feedback from some people within the Ministry of Education

Department of Education

Their feedback

was during their meetings

It is also very shocking

There are so many schools

Then there will be students submitting articles to us

It is completely beyond their imagination

Another question is

Are there more students

Or are there more parents

In terms of the proportion of submissions

there must be more students

Then of course students will account for the main force

In fact, there are parents

but there are certainly not many parents

I have also received private messages from parents

saying that they actually do not agree with the domestic

involution-style education

but they have no choice

because even when the whole society is

like this

you may not be able to escape

because not

everyone has the conditions to go to school.

International schools or aristocratic schools, etc.

Or they have made up their minds

to take their children out of the way.

So for them,

they are also very opposed to such involution

but they have no choice

So they also

want to contribute by submitting articles

Contribute their own strength

In fact, talking about parents

When I went to Los Angeles this time

I met a lot of people

They walked online just for their children

They are the whole family

Walking online with their children

Why did they walk online

It’s because they don’t want their children

to receive that kind of education in China, so they would rather walk online here

It’s quite amazing

They must be willing to talk to us

We are very willing to talk

Because we have always wanted to make a topic

That is Chinese parents

In order to prevent their children

from being subjected to this kind of education system

A pressure or pollution

One is too Juan

The other is from the ideological aspect

Being brainwashed all day long

What are they doing, what efforts have been made

Perhaps the most extreme one is to take the children to the United States

If any listeners have heard it

welcome to contribute to us

What

have been disclosed among these submissions you have received

Information that you think is particularly important

Or information that is particularly impressive

I took a look and I think it is really

I can't even dare to imagine, for example, the current children

How hard their students are suffering

And

what are their demands

What about their current situation

In fact, it's like

the name of this project

611.ICU

The meaning of this ICU

In fact, it means 611

until you enter this ICU

In fact, the status of students

is like this

Generally speaking, for all those who fill out the form

their average weekly schooling hours

is 95 hours

and then fluctuates by 20 hours

They need to live on campus

They have to get up at 6 o'clock in the morning to run and exercise

This is the kind we see

Like the documentary in Hengshui

you hold a book

and then run

Then after running

you have to run to the cafeteria immediately to eat

After eating

Then quickly run back to the classroom to go to class

Then

maybe take a break of about two hours

and then continue class in the afternoon

Work until 10:30 pm

It’s still 10 o’clock

Then go back to the dormitory

Soon you finish washing up

Lights out at 11 o'clock

You repeat this kind of life every day

If it's a month,

you may have one or two days of vacation

Not a week, but a month

Their situation is very bad

Many students are very, very depressed

Then one of the

most shocking data

we received is that 44% of schools

have experienced it in 2024

The situation of this student's suicide

So why is this list

Later we called it the shame list

When we were discussing

some of us would think that saying shame

would be a bit radical

or a bit inappropriate

But then someone said

Under this education model

half of the schools

in the country have students committing suicide

Isn't this

a shame for our education in China

Then we thought

Yes, this is indeed a shame

Yes, so we finally called this list

the shame list

Yes, yes

In fact, Western NGOs

often use this

shame is shame

Such a method

It is a very common way to force some groups

or individuals to change their behavior

...

To

the Hengshui model is really terrible

I should have gone to a company in Hebei for an interview in 18 years

It was a very small company

In a very small city

The second daughter of that family went to Hengshui Middle School

They told me at the time

I just can't believe it

How could it be like this

I don't even have time to go to the toilet between classes

It's so pitiful and pitiful

Yes

I don't know what school she went to later

But I thought at the time

Oh my god

In order to get into a university

Do you have to live such a terrible life

We have also heard some people say

how important the Hengshui model is

Then it made my children

or let me come from a rural area

From a person with a poor family background

What kind of university did he end up in

And what kind of life did he have

But in fact, the trauma

is actually very, very serious.

caused by the Hengshui model

The kind of

psychological morbidity

this kind of education produces, this kind of paranoia

and various psychological problems

The harm

and the next generation is far greater than

of this thing to our generation

its so-called success in scores

In terms of education issues,

especially in such a

very deformed and involuted environment.

There is actually very little consensus

Many people may say that the real problem

may be much more complicated than weekend weekends

And many parents are very anxious

They feel that my child has weekend weekends

Other children are still rushing forward

In the process of doing this project

Are there many such voices?

What do you think of such voices

Of course there are many such voices

One of the Simplified Chinese circles

The real political correctness is that nothing you do

For everyone, what is the use of your weekend break

The real problem is the Communist Party

You should knock down the Communist Party

Or you should overthrow the Communist Party

All the questions

In the end, you should go

Kick the Communist Party out

But for me,

is that you are within your capabilities

and then you are within your scope

and can do your best

That's OK

There is definitely no way to say

You keep shouting slogans in vain

But if you can

actually do something

to change some small things

Maybe these small things

will become a

flapping butterfly wings in the future

I think that small thing

may end up being

a small fulcrum that shakes the whole earth

...

The kind of anxiety about parents

Because I used to be a teacher

I actually have a lot

Experience in this area

I can give you two examples

The first example

I also taught students in China

When I was in Italy

I also taught students

Then one of my biggest touches

is the Chinese students

After they entered the Academy of Fine Arts

They will be very, very good in the first year

They are the

best students in the entire grade

They draw very, very well

Then those Italian students

They just can't draw

There is absolutely no way

Compared with Chinese students

But when they are sophomores and juniors

the situation is completely different

You will find Chinese students

The paintings they drew in their sophomore and junior years

are almost the same as the paintings they drew in their freshman year

And the Italian students

They have begun to have their own artistic language

and started to create their own art

Why

It’s not because Italian students are talented

Or Italian students are hardworking

Chinese students don’t study or whatnot

But

Chinese students

They are actually in an artificial limit

He is imprisoned

What we used to call the success of Chinese education

It is actually based on China's own judgment mechanism

It is different from the general situation in the world

It is different

Italian students

When they are learning

They do not set limits

They are constantly learning

Various styles

Various ways of creation

Then think about

how you want to create

But for Chinese students

When I was teaching high school students,

our principal told us

When you teach your children,

don’t let him have his own ideas

Just give him a photo

Give him a painting

Just let him face the painting all the time.

Then draw for half a year

Let him memorize this painting

It’s OK if he goes to the examination room to write this painting silently

Don’t think about

What kind of room for him to think

It’s too scary

Don’t let him have ideas

Just to pass the exam

This is not the most terrifying

The most terrifying thing is

For Chinese students

He thinks it's right

He thinks he doesn't think

He thinks it's OK for him to do something

that others can recognize

...

He doesn't dare to do those things that

others don't recognize

He doesn't dare to jump out of that

circle that has been drawn for him

This is actually a very scary thing

Are Chinese students successful?

I think they are actually very successful.

As for my classmates

or my students

After they return to China,

they also join an artist association somewhere.

...

...

...

...

For the art of this country

For the cultural progress of this country

Is it meaningful

I think it is actually meaningless

Even for personal talent

Right

It is meaningless

It is actually a waste

I think our Chinese students

will fall into a kind of empiricism

That is, they just want to be themselves

Things you can do

The subject of art

is already a relatively free subject in everyone's concept

...

Maybe in other subjects

In other majors

Maybe the situation is the same

Then why

Because our education pursues

cultivating obedient people

rather than creative people

Even if they have been emphasizing

it means you are not creative

You do not have the ability to innovate

Just the ability to innovate

Xi Jinping mentioned every day

But if you want to be creative

you will definitely be subversive

you will definitely be rebellious

Then do they need such a person

In fact, they don't need it

Another example is

Internet Addiction Quit School

What impressed me deeply

seems to be

The documentary of the Internet Addiction Quit School in Linyi, Shandong

There was a child who was quite rebellious

and then was imprisoned

and was electrocuted for an hour

After he came out, he was completely numb

Then the parents

I'm sorry I was wrong

Then the parents hugged the child excitedly

and told him to cry

They felt that the child was finally obedient

Finally got better

But in fact

A real nightmare

It has just begun for this family

The rest of your child's life

There should always be a trauma in the soul

Then there will always be such a person in your family

for the rest of your life

...

This kind of child who has been hurt mentally

And in his eyes

you are the one who hurt him

So I think like this

Is the Hengshui model good?

Or the current education model in China

Is it good?

What we need to pay attention to is

the condition of the child himself

We can't say that we want to be good to him

We think this is the only way to do it.

In other words, this is how we came over back then

So they should be like this too

I don’t think it is like this

That’s because the times are different

You are in such an era of

Internet technology with rapid development of information

An era of rapid development of all kinds of things

Then you ask your children

to be like before

It’s like being in prison

That’s thirty days in a month

I was locked up in school for twenty-nine days

Then I kept doing the questions

I think you have done a very serious harm to the children

...

Of course we have to pay attention to the children themselves

Their pain

And the students who contributed to us

They are really very painful

So on this matter

I certainly understand some parents

They think we still need to involute

The college entrance examination is the only way out

If not

What will happen to our children in the future

My current idea is actually

This kind of special involution

Then do a lot of questions

How can you do better than AI now

You really should reconsider

To develop other skills in your children

Right

Especially in the future,

interpersonal communication skills

may become more and more important

Because many things can be replaced by machines

If you let it just be a machine for doing questions

How can you beat AI

Of course I said I don’t have children

I watched from the side

I thought Oops

Is this useful?

And it makes the children so miserable

In the past two years,

some big factories

have also restricted employees from working overtime

For example, in March

the news that DJI forced employees to get off work at 9 pm

was on the hot search

A few days ago, Xiaohongshu also said that it would cancel 996

Does this conflict with what you saw in the submission?

There is no conflict

The fact that this kind of news can be trending

itself means that this thing is wrong

Right

You were originally a piece of news that protected this worker

The basic eight-hour work system

In the end, it became a topic of national discussion

Everyone was liking it

I looked at it and it was mandatory for employees to get off work at 9pm

It's very late to get off work at nine o'clock, okay

Yes

That's right

This kind of thing itself has been on the hot search

It shows that it is the same as our actual situation

...

Everyone is working overtime

This is a universal

It is common to the whole society

Even if you are in the system

Your working hours are eight hours

But actually you have endless work after get off work

You still have endless work

I looked at your data

For your company, state-owned enterprises account for 20%

You received 990 submissions

Yes, of course, private enterprises account for the most 59%

What impressed you most

What are some of the data that you think are the most incredible

The most incredible part for me

is actually the experience of these people who filled out the form

There are many parts that are completely beyond our imagination

We received a lot of submissions from

these people within the system

The one that impressed me the most was actually the submission from the United Front Department of Karamay

...

There was a person

and he was really, very brave

This person

He is the Karamay United Front Department who submitted the article first

Their deputy minister

should be a person named Liang Wujun

That is to say, that person has some corruption and malfeasance

Then he said that in their work

they have a very serious experience of working overtime

Then there are various treatment problems

After his submission

the local government responded quickly to check

who was submitting the manuscript

The result was not found out

Two days later, Liang Wujun

posted an article on their official website

to stabilize the morale of the army

Later he came to give us this feedback

Said that this did not catch him

Then he went on to reveal some things

This contribution is the one that left a deep impression on me

It made me feel that many people

He may work within this system

He is not entirely because

he wants to depend on the system or something

He is just in the process of his life

For example, family arrangements

Or a life choice

Just go in

Then after entering, he feels that he doesn't like it

Then he can't get out

Because it's worse outside

So he's in this

We actually received a lot of submissions like this

And there were even employees who broke the news about Great Wall Motors

In fact, it provides military parts to Russia.

It was the submission from Niu Ma

We received a lot of unbelievable things

Some people even said that I wanted to expose this leader with his real name

And after we hid his name, he was still unwilling

They asked why you want to hide my name

I just want to go with my real name

This is really interesting

I really want to chat with you who submitted the article

What I find very interesting about this is

It actually connects everyone together

And it really makes everyone start to feel that they have the possibility of having a voice

Then in the past

Similar situation

They have to take a big risk

For example, if they want to say something on Maimai

In fact, they can quickly find out who they are

For example, on Xiaohongshu, there are also many people in the system complaining every day

I am a worker in the system in such and such a place

Then we are so tired

Then a group of people below said, sister, I am too

This situation is relatively common in China

But we have provided a new way

Or a new platform

Let everyone talk about some things that cannot be said in China

Well

And you have organized it

so that everyone can form a bigger picture

That kind of complaint is called random

It is more random

Right

Netizens all meet together

Let’s just complain

But what about you

Can give everyone a bigger picture

What kind of companies are they

What kind of work

In fact, it is really a variety of manufacturing industries

What else is there, Pinduoduo, are you hungry?

We have everything, right?

When I look at hospitals and even the operator PetroChina

I feel that there are very, very few people who don’t work overtime in the country

Yes, yes

Yes, I think it shows a common state of everyone

Then what common emotions can you experience from these submissions

...

Is it patience, numbness, anger

Or is there a strong desire to change?

It is due to information censorship

We are on the Internet in China today

It is actually difficult to see the thoughts of a large number of ordinary Chinese people

Or the common thoughts of a large number of Chinese people

Not to mention the discussion

From your contribution

It may not necessarily be limited to these two projects

Do you think ordinary people are interested in collective action

To change the living environment

Do they still have this expectation?

What kind of help do you think they need most?

I think if we look at it from the surface

Whether it is students or these workers

In fact, everyone generally has a desire for respite

That is, they hope to take more rest to take a breath

But on a deeper level

My personal feeling is

In fact, what everyone shows is their desire for dignity and respect

What everyone really hopes is that they can be treated like a human being

That is, I am a worker

I enjoy an eight-hour working day

What I hope is that I have insurance

I have five insurances and one housing fund

I am a dignified citizen

What many submissions show in the end

This is the emotion I see at a deep level

This is why everyone laughs at themselves as bullshit

Not to be taken seriously

Yes, that's right

Well

In fact, the same is true for students

In fact, they just hope they have a weekend to rest

But if they hope to have a weekend off, they are considered to be inciting subversion

or provoking trouble.

So this is a very, very, very unreasonable thing

So under this situation

I think ordinary people have very high expectations for collective action or changing the living environment

I think they have very high expectations

Not just these two projects

In fact, from Douyin or Xiaohongshu

We usually collect various public opinions

We also see many people

who hope to get some changes

Of course it is. Another slightly pessimistic point is

Everyone may think that my own life can be a little better

Of course, it is understandable for most people to think so

More generally speaking

In fact, for everyone

it seems that they don’t know what to do

Or how to change

I don’t know what method

Do we really want to overthrow the Communist Party

Or say we are going to revolt

It is what was very popular on Douyin some time ago

It means we are going to revolt or something

We want to start a business

Yes He didn’t say uprising

They said starting a business

That’s right

Do we want to start a business

I think for everyone

Everyone generally feels that change is needed

But they don’t have any ideas

Because path dependence has been too serious over the years

No one thinks that the Communist Party can be overthrown

or that this society can be changed

Yes

This kind of imagination does not exist

As long as they cannot see this possibility

This is a place that I feel more regretful

For me

Compared with other aspects,

the most important thing is the cultivation of citizen consciousness

It is necessary for everyone to have more confidence

Have more awareness

Realize that you can not be a slave but a citizen

Of course

This is actually a very long process

What can be done overseas

In this regard

I think people need to form a stronger opposition alliance

Then pay more attention to the human condition in the country

And then be able to help them speak out

On the other hand

it actually allows more people in the country

to build such a sense of citizenship

I think these may be two of the more important things at the moment

It is also something I started to do independently after my transformation

You have received so many submissions

How do you judge the authenticity of the submitted content

Will there be any fake or disruptive content?

Is there anyone who doubts that you are fake?

Are there many such doubts?

In fact, this question has always existed

I think people who don’t believe it don’t believe it no matter what

Disbelief itself is part of the feeling of powerlessness

He just feels that there is no way for individuals to shake this centralized power

Then he thinks that the power of ordinary people is small

But then again, what about

In fact, we have not encountered so many obstacles in terms of authenticity

Everyone filled in these answers very sincerely

There will also be troublemakers

For example, in our initial form

someone even serialized this pornographic novel

There is even an erotic novel about me and Toronto's square face

It's very outrageous

Fan fiction

That's right

What are these people thinking

Do you think this is a spontaneous behavior

Or a government organization

It was spontaneous at first

At the beginning, some people may hate this matter

They feel that what we do is not what they want

For many such people on the Internet

And later on, we were also attacked by the government

I made a post a few days ago

That is, our cattle and horses received a lot of junk submissions

About a few per second

But it actually has no impact on us

I already have a review team of about 15 people

Divided into table AB

After the review is completed, it will be sent to table A

The troublemakers are actually easier to distinguish

Why?

Because for example, you are like some people

He may be a government troll

When he wants to submit an article,

he will not submit the kind of content that is fake.

Because if he submits this content and we send it out,

and everyone spreads rumors

and causes some social problems.

That is not what they want.

Of course, we have no way to guarantee that there will be no errors 100%

There will definitely still be errors

But we believe that we are still generally presenting a

The true state of China's student groups and working people at the moment

Yeah, right

Then the new semester will start in March this year

Many high schools in the country have begun to implement the weekend system

Many media are also blowing the news

Say they want to give high school weekends a thumbs up

Do you think that this kind of change is driven by the time-out learning project?

Or is it not that much related?

In fact, when I was a child,

already had such a document.

It just requires weekend breaks.

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We have been talking about reducing the burden on students for many years

This is the one time it has been fulfilled

I think everyone is aware of it

The role of 611 actually has a complete context

From the first schools on the list that filled out 611.ICU to notify the postponement of the start of school

Then to the general issuance of documents in various places requesting the postponement of the start of school

And then to the nationwide cancellation of evening self-study during weekends

Including the schools on the list were publicly notified by the Education Bureau because of the public opinion

...

Some schools explicitly asked students not to go over the wall to fill in the form

Even the principal directly said at the flag-raising ceremony

It was because of us that caused the weekend break or something

On the other hand, I think it would be better if it was not our role

Why?

Because the education department across the country issued a document requiring the following school to have a weekend break

But the result

Now many local schools

What he resisted is the order of the Provincial Department of Education

He is still continuing to attend classes

Or he has resumed making up classes

It sounds like the following schools are resisting the Provincial Department of Education

This seems to be more serious

There are many schools, for example, at the parent-teacher meeting of Beihai Middle School in Guangxi

Wang Jiangang, the principal of Beihai Middle School, said

Mr. Li is not your teacher

This 611ICU overtime study project is an external factor that led to the sudden nationwide high school weekend after the Spring Festival

...

He also accused the students who had the courage to speak out to be traitors

What do you think of these criticisms

I think this mainly reflects the cowardice of the principal

He pushed his own responsibilities to foreign forces

This Wang Jiangang is the most typical example.

Within a few months after he arrived at the school, students continued to commit suicide.

Then he downplayed the suicide.

It was all because the student's own problems had nothing to do with me.

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We post them all online

Send them to you

Listen to their students

This principal no longer dares to curse people

According to your website

Both projects are supported by $Li coins

When you and your colleagues issued $Li coins in December last year

it caused a lot of controversy

For example, some critics said

You regard anti-communism as a business to cut leeks

Have you ever thought that there would be such serious doubts

Now do you have anything to say to our audience

This matter itself is actually quite devastating to me

...

Then when the overwhelming public opinion comes

Even if you have done nothing

You are not as those people say

But everyone thinks

If you don't do this

Why do you do this

For me at the time

it was indeed a very, very big blow

But looking back now

In fact, this incident made me stronger

It is through this incident

My personal feelings will be more than what I want to say to the public

I have proven what I have done to the public

So as for cutting leeks

Or how much money I earned

How much money was stolen

What about this part

It’s because I didn’t do it

Then these accounts are all there

If you know what I didn’t do, you must know that I didn’t do it

But there seems to be no use explaining the other things

In fact, my daily work now is completely different from the past two or three years

...

That is, I need to learn various things that I was resistant to in the past

At the same time, through these learnings, I have become stronger

And I think this thing actually surprised me the most

In fact, we have become a very powerful team now

In the past, this account was just a passive one to accept submissions

To reflect the issues raised by everyone

Now it is me who takes the initiative to set the issues

and then let the Communist Party take over

Just like the white paper interview last November

What I said is that since they are so afraid of me

then I have to find a way to touch them

You also know that I found that there is actually something that I have been

not willing to face

Even the Communist Party does not think that I am just a blogger

I have always thought that I am just a blogger

But the Communist Party does not think so

So they always attack me with the same intensity as they attack the opposition

When I am a blogger

I am actually a little unable to breathe

I have no way to resist that kind of pressure

But when I feel that I can be an opposition

Can I try to be an opposition?

Then when I become an opposition

In fact, I found that it seems like this

It seems that I can bear all these pressures

And if I can't bear it

I have a team behind me to help me bear it

I have a community behind me to help me fight it together

That means my power becomes even greater

Then let's talk about these two actions are called ICU mode

How would you summarize this model

Then what kind of similar plans will you make in the future

What is the meaning of ICU

As I just said

In fact, it means that you work until death or study until death

If you don't enter ICU

your destiny will not stop

It also shows a common situation among our contemporary Chinese people

That is, when you were a child, you were 611

When you grow up, you are 996

You either collapsed and entered the ICU when you were in school

or you collapsed and entered the ICU when you were working

So I think the word ICU is actually quite representative

If these two actions show the pattern

it is actually quite suitable for the Chinese system

Everyone hopes to achieve an effect at a very small cost

It is best not to bear the cost

In fact, I think many people may say that when we do 611

they will say that you are eating steamed buns with human blood from students.

In my opinion, this is not the case at all. Either being dropped out of school or expelled

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or being suspended from classes

The individual cost is very high

Then the only option is to get an extra day off from one school or something

What's worse is that some students

may jump off buildings to give their classmates a holiday

Then through a model like 611

we actually aggregate schools across the country

Then each person submits one contribution

He does not need to tell us who he is

He only needs to show the situation of his school

It is one person submission

School holiday

You have received so many submissions

But in fact, each one is isolated and fragmented

Do you think these fragmented emotions

can continue to become a social force

It is this way of collecting anonymous contributions from individuals

What does it mean in China today

I think this is the current national situation

Everyone is facing such a totalitarian environment

Everyone would definitely prefer this kind of anonymous submission

Then I will bear most of the cost

Right

As far as I am concerned

The most important thing is that there are actually two parts.

First of all, I hope to break the common feeling of powerlessness among everyone

That is, everyone feels that they may not be able to do anything

Everyone will feel that there is no hope

There is no way to change

Then I have to face this kind of life

Face this kind of work

But in fact it is not

In fact, your rights can be fought for

On the other hand, for our next generation

I hope they can realize from the time they are students

They can fight for their right to rest

and they must fight for it

So when they are students

because of such an act of fighting for rights, after they have such enlightenment

Then when they enter society

Maybe ten or twenty years later

they will also become the backbone of this society

By that time

I think we may also be in a more promising era

Another most important issue

is that what I hope to show is not only to show everyone’s situation to the people in China

but also to all the dissidents like me

Or those potential opponents

Or some current bloggers like me to see it

We dissidents may not only be Internet bloggers

Let's do this after-dinner entertainment program

We can also become the opposition

We can also influence China

We can also do some practical attention and change some things

So I think the current situation

The entire environment

Whether at home or abroad

There is a general feeling of powerlessness

It seems that you can't change anything

You can only let it go

Then I will moisturize it

While criticizing him

I will live my own life

This is my life

In other words, even if I do some social movements

I do this from a very powerless state deep in my heart

But it’s not the case

What I always hope to be able to show is that

even if I am an ordinary person like me

then I can burst out some huge energy

and make some changes

Then those who are more talented

more powerful

and more prestigious than me

can actually have the opportunity to do more

In this era

When the whole world is getting more and more chaotic

Maybe everyone should realize

We may do something different next

It has been about five years since the epidemic

We don’t have many five years to wait

I was not yet thirty years old

Then I am thirty-two or thirty-three now

How many more years may it take

In the end, will I be the same as those of the 1980s and 1990s?

I just come out to give speeches every year

Let’s commemorate this

Let’s build a white paper sports memorial hall or something like this

Do you want this

I don’t want this

I’m not saying how they are

I just say I don’t want it

In the end, my life will be like this

Many times, people may have misunderstandings

Oops, you guys came out

You are in a safe place

Then you do these things

But in fact, because of these things

many people are unable to live a normal life

For example, the place where I worked before

got a letter from the embassy

Including people like Square Face in Toronto

He also had people looking for his residence in Canada every day

Or when I was in Italy before

they also sent the mafia to arrest you.

There is no way to return to the original life

Or what everyone imagined

You come out and find a class

Isn't it good to live a normal life

Why do you keep doing this

And because he doesn't want you to live a normal life

He just wants to use this method to punish you

But from another perspective

I just need to hit the keyboard

Then they need to expend a lot of energy

human, financial and material resources to solve a problem

I will definitely make a profit

A guaranteed profit

Even now is this time

Someone came in and took me away

I think I am also a winner

Because I have caused enough damage to them

Yes They have used so many resources, right

...

Sometimes I feel really baffled

That's why this country

You just post and talk online

Then you will become inciting to subvert state power

You have to pay the price

I think it is very unreasonable

But if you think about it from another angle

It's not that you are afraid of them

It's because they are afraid of you

That's why he does this

They are afraid of a post on the Internet

Afraid of a comment

Afraid of a video

So they show more terror

So that you don't notice their fear

But in fact it is them who are really afraid

I also want to ask

Just say whether this environment has changed or not.

There is also the difficulty of spreading this.

For example, we talked about

the 996 ICU project 6 years ago.

There were still many Chinese media reports at that time.

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It's a pity in itself

It's because of the more extreme scenery of the domestic Internet

...

Our 611

You can't find it at all in China

And even after we killed Wang Jiangang

some of Wang Jiangang's posts could not be found

This is of course a challenge

But on the other hand

Our influence can be so great

In fact, it means that

more and more people are circumventing the firewall

This is also an observation of mine

It seems that recently

Twitter has become more and more lively

Everyone has made this place more and more like Weibo in the past

Everything will be speculated on it

In fact, it also means

Even if you control the domestic Internet

to the extreme

but for everyone

you still need to find new outlets

So if there are some things

it really cannot be blocked

So we are just waiting for that node

In my opinion, this is the case

We ask each guest to recommend three books

or film and television works

What do you recommend?

I might recommend a set of books from the Translation Series of Masterpieces on the Study of World Political Parties

called "The Iron Law of Oligarchy" and "Politics, Political Parties and Pressure Groups (Part 1 and 2)"

For those who want to learn some introductory politics

This may be a better book

Then there is another book that our entire community

is currently studying collectively

Its name is

"Chinese Communist Intelligence Organization and Espionage"

Your community is learning collective learning

It's so interesting

Why

Yes, because as our community grows

and we have suffered more attacks recently

so we are collectively learning

how to fight against some anti-infiltration and counter-reconnaissance

If you are a young person who aspires to become an anti-thief

You can start from these two books

It's so interesting

Of course there is the last book

We don't understand the book "Don't Understand" produced by the podcast

Thank you

I don't think I understand what the podcast has been saying

It actually presents many different voices from a different angle

...

Let these ordinary people have a chance

Have a platform to tell their stories

Telling their voices

I really like this channel very much

I also hope we don’t understand that podcasts are getting better and better

Thank you Teacher Li

We define ourselves as a news podcast

News must be true

I am particularly jealous of Teacher Li

You have so many people submitting articles to you

No matter these students or these people who work overtime

This is what I particularly want to achieve

I want to hear their stories again

I also hope they can come and listen to the Ununderstood Podcast

I hope there will be more listeners in the future

There are also these people who contributed to Teacher Li

They can come and tell us their own stories

Enhance everyone's understanding of Chinese society

And understand this kind of personal situation in China

In fact, this personal experience

is actually very, very important

Everyone's experience is unique

but it also has a certain degree of representativeness

I have always been troubled by this matter

Although I have talked about many submissions

there is no way to make them into more detailed programs

Because for them

Everyone is still afraid

But I think you are scared

You don't want to say it now

But I think there should be a way

to record your own experience

Your own situation can be recorded

When you have the opportunity, you can show it again

We need to fight against some so-called correct memories

That is, the CCP has been emphasizing a kind of correct memory

For example, the epidemic has turned into a great victory in three years

But those who have experienced these three years know

What these three years mean

How much have we lost

How much damage have we suffered

Right

So this part

It shouldn't become a short sentence of great victory in the history textbook

Everyone's story is unique

I also have a story about me

Then Sister Yuan Li has another story about her

The individual memory of each of us is the most precious

In fact, when put together, it becomes a complete historical blueprint

Yes

This is indeed my idea

I just hope that more people are willing to tell

We record our experience at this moment

It is really the script of history

Our news is the script of history

Thank you

Thank you Teacher Li

Thank you everyone for listening

See you next time

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大家好 欢迎来到不明白播客 我是主持人袁莉

这一期节目开始之前 我想先说一件事

5月27日 不明白播客将迎来三周年的生日

从2022年5月到现在 我们一起走过了150期节目

三年前 当我第一次录下我的声音时

我说 我们希望给这个混乱困惑的世界增加一丝清晰度

这三年来 我们和最好的学者 作家 社会活动家 记者 商人

以及关心公共生活和资深命运的普通人

一起讨论重大新闻事件 讨论历史来路 也讨论未来的路

当然 生活的复杂性就在于 尽管有如此多对话和解惑

我们却未能如愿朝着理想世界前进

三年来 俄乌战争没有停止

新的贸易战正在摧毁我们原本就脆弱的经济和就业环境

信息管控更严密了

我们越来越难以知道中国正在发生什么

我们的不明白始终未曾消失 反而在不断增长

给予我们安慰的是那些珍贵的个体讲述

旺盛的生命力和表达欲

三年来 听众朋友也给了我们很多惊喜和安慰

一封封长长的电邮 场场爆满的线下活动

还有每个月的慷慨捐赠都让我们知道

不明白播客链接的是对生活

对世界充满好奇心 热情和渴望行动的一群人

因此 在三周年之际

我们想要征集声音那一头和不明白播客一起成长的你的故事

不明白播客在你的生活中意味着什么

这三年间你的生活如何随着世界的变化而变化

是否从一个城市搬到另一个城市

是否达成了什么愿望

抑或是仍然在沮丧中寻找前路

请来信与我们分享

方便的话请注明你生活的国家 城市 性别 年龄和职业

这样会有助于我们和其他听众更好地理解你的故事

谢谢大家

下面是这期节目

身处海外的中国人能够为高墙之内的人们做些什么

李老师 李颖的经历尤其能回答这个问题

从白纸运动开始

当时在意大利刚刚毕业的李老师

把他的推特账号逐渐变成链接高墙内外的一个信息集散中心

那些在抖音 微博这些国内互联网平台上

无法出现或者被消失的内容

经由一个个匿名投稿出现在海外

成为中共无法忽视的巨大威胁

今年李老师发起了两个活动

一个关注中小学超时学习问题

另一个关注职场的超时工作问题

这两个问题并不新鲜

甚至可以说怨声载道却无从下手

他为什么要关注这两个议题

这些行动有用吗

它们和备受争议的Li币之间又有什么关系

今天我们请来了李老师

请他来谈谈这两个行动

以及他为什么认为这样的行动可以赋能中国的公民参与

李老师您好

袁莉姐好

不明白播客的听众朋友们 大家好

我是李老师

你能不能先跟大家介绍一下

你为什么想到要做超时学习和超时工作这两个项目

最开始的时候呢

是因为在春节期间的时候

有很多很多的学生向我们投稿

告诉我们说 他们的学校初五就要开学

那希望我们可以为他们发声或者报道一下

这样的投稿逐渐多起来之后

如果一个一个发 或者成那种时间串的来发的话

好像都效果不是很好

而且如果说它是一个普遍存在的问题的话

那我们有没有一种方式可以去统计和记录这些事情

那当时在团队当中的话就有小伙伴说

我们是不是可以通过一个表格的方式

就像是当年的996.ICU那个项目一样

去公示这些问题的学校

那当时我们觉得这个想法是蛮不错的

那我们就决定去试一下

最开始我们就做了一个小小的尝试

我们也是用这个996.ICU

类似的这样的一个名字

我们叫做611.ICU

611这个数字的意思呢

其实就是早上六点上学

然后晚上十一点放学

这也是后来的很多学生

跟我们去反馈他们学校的情况的时候

普遍存在的一个问题吧

我们其实也是蛮震惊的

就是知道现在的学生已经卷成这个样子了

所以我们就决定说

那我们就用611.ICU这个名字

来命名我们的这个小行动

为什么要关注这两个议题

也是因为我的这个账号

从最开始的话

其实最多的两个人群

就是打工人和学生

就这两个人群

平时是在我的私信箱里

给我投稿的最多的人

当他们遇到这样的问题之后

那他们就会来告诉我

说你能不能帮我发声

我觉得这个事情

如果真的要去讲的话

我觉得很意外

就是你真的去触碰它

你真的去挑战它的时候 你会发现

它本身并不是一个 不可以打败的事情

相反就是

当我们的人数聚集的足够多的时候

我们是有可能去改变它的

所以我们在后来的时候

提出一个口号

叫你的境遇 掷地有声

就是我们希望

大家可以意识到

自己的权利是可以争取的

是可以被看见的

我们整个社会变革的一个基础

就是我们开始去 争取自己的权利

那我也可以补充一点信息

就是刚刚李老师提到的

这个996.ICU的项目

是2019年 一位中国程序员

在GitHub上发起了开源的项目

以工作996 生病ICU

讽刺互联网行业盛行的 过劳文化

呼吁大家列举实行

996工作制的公司名单

这个项目在当年 得到了非常多的媒体的报道

一些互联网大厂

还屏蔽了这个网站

但总的来说

一直到今天

过劳超时工作

依然是互联网大厂中

很普遍的情况

我也想补充一点

就是这种表格

其实也是从996.ICU之后

开始有一个传统

那包括后来的话

好像很多的这种

类似的事情

是发生在腾讯文档上

然后比如说

一些互联网大厂的人

就集体在一个文档上

去填他们的境遇

或者说是企业黑名单

就是告诉大家

就是有哪些企业

要避雷之类的

然后包括后来

就是很火的

那个星星回家计划

最开始也是

在国内的文档上去进行

就是大家自发的

在这些文档里填

自己失踪的亲人的个人信息

我们的第一个项目

是把星星回家计划

移植到谷歌的表格上

就是当星星回家计划 它在国内被封禁之后

就很快把它移植到谷歌

就移植到海外

然后我们又在

它原本的基础上

可能又收集了

1000多个数据

然后我们就开始觉得

这是一个可行的路径

我们就做了后边的这两个

你是在2月1号发起的

全国小初高中超时学习举报箱

在不到一个月的时间

收到来自全国2581所中学的投稿

你想过会有这么多的投稿吗

他们又是怎么知道

可以来你这里投稿的

投稿的人里面

是家长比较多呢

还是学生比较多

截至目前的话

我们已经是收到了

4000多个学校的投稿

全国大概是有

12000多所高中吧

所以我们其实是收集了

相当一定比例的学校了

所以这其实在我看来的话

它已经代表

非常普遍的一个数据了

这个结果的话

其实想到了

但是也没想到

因为虽然说学生的教育内卷啊

超时学习啊

它是一个比较普遍的一个问题

同时呢 一方面我过去就收到过

很多的这种私信投稿

那另一方面呢

国内也有很多的机构

它也不断的在做这方面的研究和统计

比如说有的研究

是针对14万的青少年

做过测试

然后发现31%的都有抑郁症

30%多的有焦虑

然后还有42%的有

睡眠障碍等等问题

关于这个打工人方面的话

就是23年的时候

其实官方的数据就是青年失业率

就已经接近20%了嘛

那所以这方面来说的话

我能够想到

它的数据应该会比较多

因为基数是很大

但是呢

我可能一开始认为

投稿的人不会那么多

因为我觉得可能很多人

他虽然说他有这样的境遇

但是他不太想要表达出来

或者说他基于各种各样的压力

或者问题

显然大家的积极程度

是超出我的这个想象的

而且很明显就是翻墙的人数

是比我们想象中要多得多

全国有三分之一的学校

给我们投稿

那就意味着有三分之一的学校

其实学生是会翻墙的

这一点其实是

让我觉得最吃惊的一个事情

有那么多人在翻墙 是吧

对没错

不仅是您

就是他们也非常的吃惊

我们收到很多教育部

教育厅内部的一些人

他们的反馈

就是他们开会的时候

也是非常震撼

有这么多的学校

然后会有学生给我们投稿

完全超出他们的想象

还有一个问题是

是学生比较多

还是家长比较多

这个投稿的比例上来说的话

肯定是学生比较多的

那学生当然是占一个主力

其实家长也有

但是家长肯定就不多了

我也有收到家长的私信

说他们其实不认同国内的这种

内卷填鸭式的教育

但是他们没得选

因为就是当整个社会都是

这个样子的时候

你可能也是没有办法逃避的

因为也并不是

所有人都有这个条件去上

国际学校或者贵族学校之类的

或者说是下定决心

就是带孩子走线啊之类的

所以对他们来说的话

他们也很反对这样的内卷

但是他们没得选

所以他们也

想要通过投稿的方式来去

贡献一个自己的力量吧

其实就说到家长的话

我这一次去洛杉矶的时候

我是见到了很多的人

他们走线就是为了孩子

他们就是全家

带着孩子一起走线

他们为什么走线

就是因为他们 不想让自己的孩子

在国内受那样的教育 所以宁愿走线到这边来

蛮奇妙的

他们要愿意跟我们来聊

我们是很愿意聊

因为我们一直想做一个选题

就是中国的家长

为了避免孩子

受到这种的教育制度的

一个倾压呀 或者是污染啊

一个是太卷

另一个就是说 从意识形态方面

整天被洗脑

都在做些什么 都做出了哪些努力

可能最极端的就是 带着孩子走线 来美国

如果有听众朋友们听到了

欢迎给我们投稿

你收到的这些投稿里面

披露了哪些

你觉得特别重要的信息

或者是印象特别深刻的信息

我去看了一下 我觉得真的是

都不太敢想象 比如说现在的小孩

他们学生苦到了什么程度

还有就是说

他们的诉求是什么

他们现在的状况的话呢

其实就像是

这个项目的名字一样

611.ICU

这个ICU的意思

其实就是一直611

到你进这个ICU

其实学生的这个状态

就是这个样子

普遍所有的填写表格的人

他们的平均每周的上学时长

是95个小时

然后上下20小时浮动

他们需要住校

他们早上6点就要起床去跑操

就是我们看的那种

衡水的纪录片那样

就是一边抱着书

然后一边跑步

然后呢跑完步

你就要立刻跑到食堂去吃饭

吃完饭

然后赶紧跑回教室里去上课

然后中间的话

可能休息两个小时左右

然后下午的时候继续上课

一直上到晚上10点半

还是10点

然后回到宿舍

很快你洗漱完了

11点才熄灯

你每天就是重复这样的生活

你一个月的话

可能有一天到两天的假期

不是一周 是一个月

他们的情况非常糟糕

很多的学生非常非常的压抑

那我们收到的一个

最触目惊心的数据

是有44%的学校

在2024年出现过

这个学生自杀的情况

所以为什么这个名单

后来我们被称之为耻辱名单

当时我们在讨论的时候

我们有的人会觉得说耻辱

会不会有点激进

或者说有点不合适

但后来就有人说

这个教育模式之下

全国有一半的学校

都有学生在自杀

这难道还不是

我们中国教育的耻辱吗

那后来我们就觉得说

没错 这确实是一个耻辱

对 所以我们最后就把这个名单

叫做耻辱名单

对对

其实西方的NGO

他们也经常用这个

shame就是耻辱

这么一个手段

来迫使一些团体

或者个人改变行为

是挺常见的一个方式

对

衡水模式真的是太可怕了

我应该18年 我去河北一个公司去采访

是一个特别特别小的公司

在一个特别特别小的城市

那家的二女儿 就是在衡水中学上学

他们当时跟我说的

我就完全我都不敢相信

怎么就可能是这样子

就是课间连上厕所的时间都没有

太可怜太可怜了

对

我不知道她后来考上了什么学校

但是我当时就觉得

天哪

为了考一个大学

要过这么可怕的生活吗

我们也有听过一些人说

衡水模式多么多么的重要

然后它让我的孩子

或者说让我从一个农村里出来的人

从一个家境不好的人

最后考上一个什么样的大学

然后有了一个什么样的人生

但是其实衡水模式

它所带来的这种创伤

其实是非常非常严重的

这种教育它所产生的那种

心理上的病态

这种偏执

以及各种心理问题

这个东西对于我们这一代

下一代人的这个伤害

是远远要大于

它所谓的分数上的成功

在教育问题上

尤其是在这样一个

非常畸形内卷的环境里

共识其实是很少的

很多人可能会说 真正的问题

可能远比周末双休复杂的多

而且很多家长都很焦虑

觉得我的孩子双休了

别的孩子还在往前冲

你们在做这个项目的过程中

这种声音多吗

你怎么看这样子的声音呢

这样的声音当然是非常多

简体中文圈的一个

真正的政治正确 就是你做什么都没用

对大家来说 你这个双休有什么用

这个真正的问题是共产党

你应该打倒共产党

或者你应该推翻共产党

所有的问题

最后都是你应该去

把共产党给踢下去

但是对我来说的话

就是你在你的能力之内

然后你在你的范围之内

能够做到最好

那就OK

那肯定没有办法说

你一直去空喊口号

而如果说你能够

实际做一些事情

去改变一些微小的事情的话

那可能这些微小的事情

它未来会成为一个

扇动蝴蝶的翅膀

我觉得那个很小的东西

它最后很可能是

撬动整个地球的

那样的一个小小的支点吧

对于家长的那种焦虑

因为我以前也是做老师的嘛

我其实是有非常多

这方面的经验的

我可以举两个例子

第一个例子呢

我在国内也教过学生

那我在意大利的时候

我也教过学生

那我的一个比较大的触动

是什么 就是中国的学生

他们进了美院之后

第一年他们会非常非常厉害

他们是整个年级里

最优秀的学生

他们画得非常非常好

然后那些意大利的学生

他们就根本就跟不会画画一样

完全就是没有办法

和中国学生比

但是到了大二大三

情况就完全不一样

你会发现中国学生

他们在大二大三画的画

和他大一时候画的画 几乎一样

而意大利的学生

他们已经开始 有自己的艺术语言

开始去做自己的艺术创作了

为什么呢

不是因为说意大利的学生 他们就有天赋

或者说意大利的学生 他们就刻苦

中国的学生就不学习 或者怎么样

而是说

中国的学生

他们其实是在一个 人为的设限当中

他是被禁锢住的

我们过去所说的 中国教育的成功

它其实是基于 中国本身的评判机制

它和世界上普遍的情况

它是不同的

意大利的学生

他们在学习的时候

他们是不设限的

他们在不断学习

各种各样的风格

各种各样的创作的方式

然后去思考

自己要怎么创作

但是中国的学生的话

我在当年教高三的学生的时候

我们的校长就跟我们说

你们教孩子的时候

不要让他有自己的想法

就直接给他一张照片

给他一张画

让他一直对着这个画就可以了

然后画半年

让他把这个画给记住

他去考场上去默写这张画就OK

你不要去想

给他什么样的这个思考余地

太可怕了

不要让他有想法

就是为了过考试

这个还不是最可怕的

最可怕的是

对于中国的学生来说

他认为那就是对的

他认为他不思考

他认为他去做一个

别人可以认可的东西

就是OK的

他不敢去做那些

别人不认可的东西

他不敢去跳出那个

已经给他画好的圈

这其实是一个非常恐怖的事情

那中国的学生成功吗

我觉得其实也很成功

就我的那些同学

或者说我的学生

他们回国之后

也是进什么地方的美术家协会

然后参加什么全国的美展什么的

就是回到了一个熟悉的框架当中

获得一种熟悉的框架设定好的成功

但是你说这对于我们的艺术史

对于这个国家的艺术

对于这个国家的文化进步

它有意义吗

我觉得其实没有意义

哪怕是对于个人的才华

对吧

也没有意义

其实是一种浪费

我觉得我们中国的学生

他就会陷入一种经验主义当中

就是他只想做自己这个经验当中

可以会做的事情

艺术这个学科

已经是大家概念当中

相对比较自由的一个学科了

可能在其他的学科的话

其他的专业里

可能这种情况都一样的

那为什么

因为我们的教育追求的是

培养出听话的人

而不是说有创造性的人

哪怕他们一直在强调

就是说你没有创造性

你没有有创新能力

就创新能力

习近平天天提

但是如果说你要有创造性的话

你是一定会有颠覆性的

你是一定会叛逆的

那他们需要这样的人吗

他们其实是不需要的

另一个例子就是

戒网瘾学校

我印象很深的

好像就是

山东临沂的戒网瘾学校的纪录片

就一个孩子本来比较叛逆

然后被关进去

电了一个小时

出来以后就整个人就麻木了

然后就爸爸妈妈

对不起我错了

然后父母激动的抱着孩子

叫他痛哭

觉得孩子终于听话了

终于变好了

但其实呢

真正的恶梦

对于这个家庭才刚刚开始

你的孩子的后半辈子

要永远都有一个心灵的创伤

然后你的家庭当中

后半辈子

永远有这样的一个

受过心灵伤害的这种孩子

而且在他的眼里

你们就是害他的这个人

所以我觉得像这个

衡水模式到底好不好

或者说中国现在的这种教育模式

到底好不好

我们需要去关注的是

孩子本身的一个状况

我们不能说我们要对他好

我们认为只有这样做才是对的

或者说我们当年就是这样过来的

所以他们也应该这样

我觉得不是这个样子

那因为时代是不同的

你在这样的一个

信息高速发展的互联网科技

各种东西高速发展的一个时代

然后你要求孩子

再像是以前那样

跟坐监狱一样

就是一个月三十天

二十九天都在学校里关着

然后一直在那不停的做题

我觉得你对于孩子来说

是一个非常严重的伤害

我们当然是要关注孩子本身

他们的痛苦

而且给我们投稿的学生

他们真的是非常非常的痛苦

所以在这个事情上

我当然理解一些父母

他们觉得我们还是需要内卷

高考是唯一的出路

如果说不这样的

那将来我们的孩子怎么办

我现在想法其实是

这种特别内卷的

然后做很多道题的

你现在你哪能做得过AI啊

你其实真的是应该重新考虑

要培养孩子其他的一些技能

是吧

尤其以后的这种的

人与人之间的交往的技能

可能越来越重要

因为很多东西都可以被机器代替

你再让它只是一个做题的机器

你怎么做得过AI

我当然就说我没有小孩

我就在旁边看着

我就觉得 哎呀

这是有用的吗

而且把孩子搞得那么苦

这两年呢

也陆续有一些大厂

去限制员工加班

比如三月份

大疆强制员工晚上九点下班的消息

登上了热搜

前几天小红书也说要取消996

这和你在投稿里面看到的有冲突吗

没有冲突啊

就是这种新闻能够上热搜

本身就说明这个事情它不对嘛

对吧

你原本一个保障这个工人

基本的八小时工作制的一个新闻

最后居然能够变成全民讨论的话题

所有人都在点赞

我看了一下是强制员工晚上九点下班

九点下班是很晚了好吗

是啊

对啊

这种东西它本身上了热搜

就说明跟我们的这个实际情况

它是一样的

所有人都在超时的工作

这是一个普遍性的

是全社会性的

哪怕你是在体制内

你这个上班时间是八小时

但其实你在下班之后

你还是有无尽的工作

我看了一下你们的数据

对你们这个公司国企有20%呢

你们收到了990份的投稿

对 私企当然是最多了59%

你自己印象最深刻的

你觉得最匪夷所思的一些数据是什么呢

我最匪夷所思的部分

其实是这些填表人他们的经历

有很多完全超乎我们想象的部分了

我们收到了非常多的体制内的

这些人的投稿

我印象最深刻的其实就是那个

克拉玛依统战部的那个投稿了

有一个人

然后他真的非常非常勇敢

这个人

他是先投稿的那个克拉玛依统战部

他们的那个副部长

应该是叫梁武军的一个人

就是说那个人他有存在一些贪污和渎职的情况

然后又说了他们的这个工作当中

有非常严重的超时工作的这样的一个经历

然后有各种待遇上的问题

他的这个投稿发出去之后

当地就赶快做出反应来查

到底是谁在投这个稿

结果没查出来

过了两天又赶紧让梁武军

在他们官网上发了一个文章之类的

去稳定军心

后来他又来跟我们这个反馈

说这个没抓住他

然后他又继续去爆料了一些事情

这个投稿是我印象中比较深刻的

让我感觉当中很多人

他可能进入这个体制内工作

他也并不是完全就是因为

他想要依附体制或者怎么样

他也只是在他人生过程当中

比如说家里安排

或者说是一种人生的选择

就是进去了

那进去之后他觉得他不喜欢

那他又出不去

因为外面 还更糟糕

所以就在这个里面

我们其实收到很多投稿都是这个样子的

然后甚至还有包括有员工爆料长城汽车

其实为俄罗斯提供军用部件啊之类的

就是牛马的那个投稿

我们收到的非常非常多就是匪夷所思的事情

甚至有的人说我就是要实名去曝光这个领导

然后我们把他的名字隐掉以后他还不愿意

他们说你为什么要隐掉我的名字

我就是要实名去

这个真的是挺有意思

我真的我太想跟你这些投稿的人来聊一聊了

这件事情让我觉得很有趣的就是

它其实确实是把大家连接在了一起

然后确实是让大家开始觉得自己有一个发声的可能性

那过去的话

类似的情况

他们是要担着一个很大的风险的

比如说他们要在脉脉上去说的话

其实很快就查到他们是谁

比如说在小红书上也有很多体制内的人每天在吐槽啊

我是某某地的体制内的工作者

然后我们好累

然后下面一群人说啊姐妹我也是

这种情况在国内是比较普遍的

但是我们又提供了一个新的方式吧

或者说是一个新的平台

让大家去说一些在国内没有办法说的事情

嗯

而且你们是把它组织起来了

让大家能够形成一个更大的图景

那种的吐槽就是一个叫random

就是比较随意的

是吧

网友都碰到一起

大家吐槽一下就完了

但是你这个呢

可以给大家一个更大的图景

都是什么样子的公司

什么样的工种

其实是真的是各种各样的制造业的

还有什么什么拼多多 饿了吗

什么都有是吧

我看着医院 甚至运营商 中石油

就感觉全国就是估计不加班的人是非常非常少的

对 对

是 我觉得它就是展现了大家普遍的一个状态嘛

那你从这些投稿里面

你能够体会到的共同的情绪是什么呢

是忍耐 麻木 愤怒

还是有强烈的这种改变的欲望

就是由于信息审查

我们今天在中国的互联网上

实际上很难看到大量的普通中国人的想法

或者是大量中国人普遍的想法

更不用提就是说讨论

从你的那个投稿中

可能不见得就是仅仅限于这两个项目

你觉得普通人对集体行动

对改变生存的环境

他们还抱有这个期望吗

你觉得他们最需要的帮助是什么样子的呢

我觉得如果说从表面上来看的话

无论是学生还是这些工人

其实大家是普遍对于喘息的渴望

就是他们希望更多的休息可以喘一口气

但是呢 在深层上的话

我个人的感受是

其实大家所展现出来的是对于尊严和尊重的渴望

大家其实真正希望的是自己可以像一个人一样被对待

就是我是一个工人

我享受八小时的工作日

那我希望的是我有保险

我有五险一金

我是一个有尊严的公民

很多投稿最后所呈现的

在深层给我看到的这个情绪就是这样

这也就是为什么大家会自嘲自己是牛马

不被当人看

对 没错

嗯

其实学生也是一样

就是其实他们也只是希望自己有一个可以休息的双休日而已

但是他们希望有双休日就已经被认为是在煽动颠覆

或者说是寻衅滋事了

所以这是一个非常 非常非常不可理喻的事情

所以在这种这种情况之下的话

我觉得普通人对于集体行动或者说对于改变生存环境

我认为他们是抱有非常大的这种期待的

也不仅仅说是光这两个项目吧

其实从抖音或者小红书

我们平时收集的各种舆情上的话

我们也是看到很多人

他们希望去获得一些改变

那当然就是 另一个有一点点悲观的地方是

大家可能是觉得说我自己的生活稍微变好一点就可以

那当然说大部分人这样想也是无可厚非的

更普遍的来说

其实对于大家来说

好像不知道应该做什么

或者说应该怎么改变

不知道什么方法

难道我们真的要去推翻共产党

或者说我们要去起义

就是前段时间抖音上非常流行的

就是说我们要起 义或者什么

我们要创业

对 他不说起义

他们说创业

对啊

我们是不是要创业

我觉得对于大家来说的话

大家普遍觉得需要改变

但是他们没有任何的想法

因为就是这么多年来路径依赖已经太严重了

没有人觉得说共产党是可以被推翻

或者这个社会是可以被改变的

对

就这种想象是不存在的

就他们看不到这种可能性吧

这是一个我觉得比较遗憾的地方

对我来说

相比于其他的各个方面而言

重要的就是公民意识的培养

就是需要让大家有更多的信心

有更多的意识

意识到自己可以不做奴才做公民

当然

这其实是一个蛮漫长的一个过程

在海外能够做什么

这一方面的话

我觉得人们要组成一个更加强大的反对派的同盟

那然后去更加的关注国内的人类境遇

然后能够去做到帮他们发声

那另一方面的话

其实就是能够让国内更多的人

可以建立起这样的公民意识

我觉得这是可能是当下两个比较重要的事情

也是我现在转型之后开始去独立做的事情

你们收到了这么多的投稿

是怎么来判断投稿内容的真实性

会不会出现造假或者捣乱的内容

有没有人质疑说你们造假

这样的质疑多吗

这个质疑其实一直都存在

我觉得不相信的人怎么样都不相信

不相信本身就是无力感的一部分

他就是觉得个人没有办法撼动这个集权

那他就认为普通人的力量是渺小的

但是话说回来的话呢

就我们其实在真实性上并没有遇到那么多的阻碍

大家是非常诚恳的填写这些答案了

捣乱的人他也会有

比如说我们最开始的表格里

有人甚至在连载这个黄色小说

甚至还有写我和多伦多方脸的这种色情小说

对非常离谱

同人小说

没错

这些人是在想什么

他们你觉得这是自发的行为

还是一种政府组织

最开始是自发

最开始的时候是这个有些人他可能比较仇恨这件事情

觉得我们做的事情就是不是他想要的

对互联网上很多这样的人

然后后来的话我们也是受到这个政府的攻击嘛

前几天的时候我是发过一个帖子

就是我们的牛马是收到大量的垃圾投稿

大概一秒钟几个这样子

但对于我们来说其实没有什么影响

我已经有一个15人左右的一个审核团队

分成AB表的

审核好了之后才会把它发到A表上

捣乱的人其实比较容易分辨的

为什么呢

因为你比如说像有些人

他可能作为政府水军

他想投稿的时候

他是不会投那种以假乱真的内容的

因为如果说他投这个内容被我们发出去

然后大家这个以讹传讹

就引发了一些社会问题的话

那个事情也不是他们想要的

当然我们也没有办法确保说百分之百就没有错误

肯定也是还是会有错误

但是我们认为我们还是在普遍的去呈现一个

当下中国的学生群体和劳动人群的真实的状态

嗯 对

那今年三月新学期开始

国内不少高中开始落实双休制度

不少媒体也在吹风

说要为高中双休点赞

你会觉得这种的变化是超时学习这个项目推动的吗

还是说并不是有很大的关系

其实这我小的时候吧

就已经有这样的文件了

就是要求要双休

但是我小的时候该补课不还是补课吗

对啊

好像十几年也就这样过来了

什么学生减负也说了很多年

就哪一次兑现过了

我觉得其实大家心里都有数的吧

611这个作用其实是有一个完整的脉络的

从最开始填写611.ICU的上榜学校开始通知延期开学

再到各地普遍下发文件要求延期开学

再到全国性的这种双休取消晚自习

包括上榜的学校因为引发了舆情

被教育局公开通报

有的这个学校是明确要求学生不要去翻墙填写表格

甚至还有校长直接就在升旗仪式上去说

就是因为我们导致双休什么的

另一方面我觉得 如果不是我们的作用的话反而更好

为什么呢

因为全国各地的这个教育厅下发文件要求下面的这个学校双休

但结果呢

现在很多的地方的学校

他反抗的是省教育厅的命令

他还是在继续上课

或者说他又恢复补课了

这听起来好像是下面的学校在反抗省教育厅

这好像事情就更严重了

那有不少学校就比如说在广西北海中学家长会上

北海中学校长王建刚称

李老师不是你老师的

这个611ICU超时学习项目是导致春节后

突然全国高中双休的外部因素

他还指责勇于发声的学生是小汉奸

你怎么看这些批评呢

我觉得这其实主要体现的就是这个校长的懦弱

他把他自己的责任推给境外势力

这个王建刚他就是一个最典型的例子

他刚到那个学校没几个月就不断的有学生在自杀

然后自杀之后他就轻描淡写的

都是因为这个学生自己的问题和我没有关系

他完全不在乎学生的死活

他只是去关心学校的升学率

那我们就对他进行攻势

那我们就是把他过去的劣迹

我们全部发在网上

都给你发出来

听他们的学生说

这个校长现在已经不敢乱骂人了

那根据你们的网页

这两个项目都是有$Li币支持的

去年12月你和同伴发行$Li币的时候

引发了不少争议

比如有批判者说

你把反共当生意在割韭菜

你有没有想过会有这么严重的质疑

现在你有什么想跟我们的听众说的吗

这个事情本身其实对我来说

是蛮灭顶之灾的

那当铺天盖地的舆论过来

即使你什么都没做

你并没有像那些人说的那样

但是所有人都觉得

你不这样做的话

你为什么要做这件事情

对于我当时来说的话

确实是打击非常非常大

但是现在回过头来看的话

实际上这个事情就是让我变得反而更强大了

就是通过这个事情的话

我个人的感悟会多过我想对公众说的话

我对于公众我做的事情已经证明了

那至于什么割韭菜

或者说是赚了多少钱

黑了多少钱

这部分的话呢

就是因为没有做

然后这些账户都在那里

知道我没有做的 肯定是知道我没有做

但是其他的我好像再解释也没有什么用

其实现在我每天的这个工作和过去两三年的话

就是完全不同

就是我需要去学习各种我过去比较抗拒的东西

那同时就是通过这些学习也让我变得更强大

而且我觉得这个事情其实让我最意外的吧

就是其实我们现在变成一个非常强大的一个团队

从过去这个账号只是一个被动的去接受投稿

去反映大家提出的问题

转变成现在就是由我来主动设置议题

然后让共产党来接招

就像是去年11月白纸采访那一期

我说的就是那既然他们这么怕我

那我就要想办法和他们碰一碰

你也知道 我发现其实有一个一直以来

我不太愿意去面对的事情

就是共产党他并不觉得我只是一个博主

我一直都认为我只是一个博主

但共产党他并不这样认为

所以他们始终都是以这种打击反对派的这样的力度去打击我

当我作为一个博主的时候

我其实是有点无法喘息的

我没有办法去抗衡那种压力

但是当我觉得我是不是可以作为一个反对派呢

我是不是可以尝试做一个反对派呢

那当我成为一个反对派的时候

我其实我发现好像也就这样

好像这些压力我反而都能扛得住

而且如果我扛不住

我后边有一个团队来帮助我一起来扛

我后边有一个社区来帮助我一起来对抗

那就是我的力量就变得更大了

那我们再说一下这两个行动都被称为ICU模式

你会怎么来总结这个模式呢

然后你们以后还会做什么样子的类似的计划

ICU的含义嘛

就像我刚才说的

其实就是你工作到死或者说你学习到死

如果说你不进到ICU

你的命运就不会停止

它也展现了我们当代的中国人普遍的一个状况

就是你小时候你是611

你长大以后是996

你不是在上学的时候崩溃到进ICU

就是工作的时候崩溃到进ICU

所以我觉得ICU这个词其实是蛮有代表性的

那像这两个行动它所呈现出的这种模式的话

它其实是蛮适合中国人体制的

大家都希望以很小的成本去达成一个效果

最好自己不要承担代价

其实我觉得很多人可能在我们做611的时候

他们会提出说 你是在吃学生的人血馒头之类的

在我看来完全不是这一回事情

过去几年里

然后有非常多的学校

他们发生过学生要求放假的这种抗议

然后这种抗议的结果

往往就是带头的几个学生

要么被退学被开除

或者说被停课

个体的代价承受非常大

然后只能换来可能一个学校多放一天假或者怎么样

那更有甚者的就是可能有些学生

他就用跳楼来给自己的同学换假期

那通过611的这样的一个模式的话

就是我们其实汇总了全国各地的学校

那每一个人他投一个稿

他不需要告诉我们他是谁

他只需要展现他的学校的情况

就是一人投稿

学校放假

你们收到了这么多的投稿

但其实每一份都是孤立的碎片化的

你认为这些碎片化的情绪

有可能继续成一股社会力量吗

就是这种收集个体匿名投稿的方式

在今天的中国意义是什么呢

我觉得这就是当下的一个国情

大家面对这样的一个极权的环境

大家肯定是更希望这种匿名投稿

然后由我来承担绝大部分代价

对吧

那就我个人而言的话

最重要的其实是有两部分了

首先是希望去打破大家普遍存在的那种无力感

就是大家都觉得自己可能做不了什么

大家会觉得说没有希望

就是没有办法改变

那我生来就必须要面对这样的生活

面对这样的工作

但实际上不是的

实际上你的权利是可以去争取的

对另一方面对于我们的下一代人而言的话

我希望他们从学生时代就可以意识到

他们是可以争取自己的休息的权利

也是必须争取的

所以他们在学生时代

因为这样争取权利的行为有了这样的启蒙之后

那当他们进入社会

可能十年后二十年后

他们也会成为这个社会的中坚力量

那到那个时候的话

我觉得可能我们也会是一个比较有希望的时代

还有一个最重要的一个问题

就是我希望展现的不仅仅是给全中国的人看大家的境遇

同时我也希望展现给所有的和我一样的这些异议分子

或者说是那些潜在的反对派们

或者说是一些现在和我一样的博主们去看

我们这些异议人士可能不仅仅只能做一个互联网的博主

去做一做这个茶余饭后的这种娱乐节目

我们一样可以成为反对派

一样可以去影响中国

那一样可以去做一些切实的关注和去改变一些事情

所以我觉得当下的话

整个大的环境

无论是在国内还是在国外

大家普遍存在一种非常无力的感觉

就是好像你什么都改变不了

你只能去听之任之

那我润出来

我一边批评他

我一边过好自己的生活

这就是我的一生

或者说哪怕我做一些社会运动

我也是从一个内心深处是一个非常无力感的状态去做这些

但其实不是的

我一直希望能够呈现的是

哪怕是我这样的一个普通人

那我也可以去迸发一些巨大的能量

也可以去做出一些改变

那么比我更有才华的

更有力量的

然后更有声望的人

其实是可以有机会做的更多的

现在这个时代

整个世界越来越乱的时候

可能每个人都应该意识到

我们可能在接下来应该做一些不一样的事情

疫情到现在已经过了大概五年

我们没有多少个五年继续等下去

我当初还不到三十岁

那我现在都三十二 三十三了

那可能还要过多少年

那最后我要和八九一代的那些人一样吗

就是每年出来讲讲话

纪念一下这个事情

就弄一个什么白纸运动纪念馆之类的

要这样吗

我不希望这样

我并不是说他们怎么样

我只是说我不希望就是

最后我的人生也这个样子

很多时候可能大家会有误解

哎呀 你们出来了

你们在安全的地方

然后你们做这些事情

但其实因为这些事情

其实很多人他没有办法过一个正常的生活

那比如说像我之前工作的地方

被大使馆写信啊

包括像多伦多方脸

他在加拿大那边也是天天有人去找他的住所

或我之前在意大利的时候

也是他们派黑手党上门抓了你

这种生活已经完全没有办法回到原本

或者说大家想象当中的

你出来找个班上

正常过一生难道不好吗

你为什么要一直做这个事情

而且因为说他就不会想让你正常的生活

他就是要用这样的方法来去惩罚你

但是换一种角度上来说的话

我只需要敲敲键盘

然后他们就需要费出非常大的这种精力

人力 财力 物力去解决一个事情

我肯定是稳赚不赔的

稳赚不赔的

哪怕现在就是这个时候

破门有人进来把我抓走

我觉得我也是胜利者

因为我已经对他们造成了足够的伤害了

对 他们动用了那么多资源是不是

对啊

我有时候真的觉得非常的莫名其妙

就是为什么这个国家

你只是在网上发发帖子说说话

然后你就会变成煽动颠覆国家政权

你就要付出这样的代价

我觉得非常的不可理喻

但是你换个角度来想的话

就是不是你害怕他们

而是因为他们害怕你

所以他才会这样做

他们害怕互联网上的一条帖子

害怕一条评论

害怕一个视频

所以说他们去展现的更加的恐怖

好让你不发现他们的恐惧

但实际上真正恐惧的是他们

我也想问一下

就说这种环境的变化或者是没有变化

还有这个传播的这种艰难

就比如说我们前面讲到

6年前996 ICU项目的时候

当时还是有很多中国的媒体报道的

对吧

那到今天做的611和牛马

好像基本上就还是靠你的号在传播

你怎么看这样子的一个情况呢

这对我来说

本身是一个比较遗憾的事情

就是你随着国内的这种互联网的

更加极端的这种风景

我们的611

你在国内是一点都搜不到

然后甚至后来我们挂了王建刚以后

王建刚都有一些帖子搜不到了

这当然是一种挑战

但是另一方面的话

我们的影响能做成这么大

其实也就意味着

翻墙的人确实正在变得越来越多

这也是我的一个观察

就发现好像最近

推特上越来越热闹

大家把这里变得越来越像当年的微博了

什么事都会在上面炒

其实也就意味着

就算你把国内的这种互联网的管制

你做到极致

但是对于大家来说的话

还是需要去找新的出口

所以有些东西的话

他确实是封锁不住的

所以只是在等那个节点

在我看来就是这样

我们请每一位嘉宾推荐三部书

或者影视作品

你有什么推荐

我可能会推荐一套书 世界政党研究名著译丛

叫做《寡头政治铁律》和《政治、政党与压力集团（上、下）》

对于想要去学习一些政治入门的人来说的话

这可能是一个比较好的书籍

然后还有一个是目前我们整个社区

在集体学习的一本书

是它的名字叫做

《中共情报组织与间谍活动》

你们社区在学习集体学习

太有意思了

为什么

对因为随着我们社区的壮大

以及我们最近遭受的攻击比较多

所以我们正在集体学习的

如何去对抗一些反渗透和反侦察

如果说有志成为一名反贼的一个年轻人的话

你可以从这两本书去入手

好太有意思了

当然还有最后一本书了

我们不明白播客出品的那本《不明白》

谢谢

我觉得其实不明白播客一直以来的话

它其实从另外一个不同的角度

呈现了很多不同的声音

让这些普通人有一个机会

有一个平台去讲述他们的故事

讲述他们的声音

我真的是我非常喜欢的一个频道

也希望我们不明白播客越来越好

谢谢李老师

我们自己定义是一个新闻的播客

新闻都是要真实嘛

我特别眼红李老师

你有那么多人给你投稿

管这些学生还是这些超时工作的人

这都是我特别想要抵达的

我又想听他们的故事

也希望他们能来听不明白播客

我希望以后能有更多的听众朋友

还有就是给李老师投稿的这些人

他们能来跟我们讲他们自己的故事

增进大家对中国社会的了解

还有对中国的这种个人境遇的了解

其实个人的这个经历

其实是非常非常重要的

每个人的经历都是独特的

但是它同时又带有一定的代表性

这个事情其实也是我一直很苦恼

虽然说说了很多的投稿

也没有办法去把他们做成更细致的节目

因为对他们来说

每个人心里还是恐惧吧

但是我觉得你很恐惧

你现在你不愿意说

但是我觉得也应该有一个方式

把自己的经历

自己的境遇可以记录下来

有机会的时候可以再展现出来

我们需要去对抗一些所谓的正确记忆

就是中共一直在强调一种正确的记忆

比如说疫情三年就变成伟大的胜利

但是经历过这三年的人都知道

这三年里到底意味着什么

我们到底失去了多少

我们到底受了多少的伤害

对吧

那所以这一部分的话

它不应该就变成历史课本里短短的一句伟大的胜利

每个人的故事都是独特的

我也有关于我的故事

那袁莉姐又有关于她的故事

我们每个人的个体这一部分的记忆都是最宝贵的

它其实拼凑在一起就成为了一个完整的历史的蓝图

对

这个确实也是我的想法

就是希望有更多的人愿意来讲

我们把这一刻我们的经历记录下来

真的是历史的脚本

我们新闻就是历史的脚本

谢谢

谢谢李老师

也谢谢大家收听

我们下期再见

Key Vocabulary

Vocabulary	Meanings
播客 /pɔ⁵¹ kʰɤ⁵¹/ B2	noun - podcast
记录 /tɕi⁴⁴ lù⁴⁴/ B1	verb - to record; to document noun - record; documentation
混乱 /xwən⁵¹ lu̯aⁿ⁵¹/ B1	noun - chaos; confusion
清晰度 /tɕʰiŋ⁵⁵ ɕi⁵⁵ tû⁵⁵/ C1	noun - clarity; degree of clearness
学者 /ɕyɛ⁵⁵ tʂɤ⁵¹/ B2	noun - scholar; academic
作家 /tso⁴⁴ tɕiâ⁵¹/ B2	noun - writer; author
记者 /tɕi⁴⁴ ʂɤ⁵¹/ B2	noun - journalist
公共 /kʊŋ⁵⁵ kɤ⁵⁵/ B2	adjective - public; communal
新闻 /ɕin⁵⁵ wən⁵⁵/ B1	noun - news; journalism
历史 /li⁴⁴ ʂʐ⁴⁴/ B1	noun - history
信息 /ɕin⁵⁵ ɕi⁵⁵/ B1	noun - information
管控 /kwan⁵⁵ kʰʊŋ⁵⁵/ C1	verb - to control; to regulate noun - control; regulation
经济 /tɕi⁴⁴ tɕi⁴⁴/ B1	noun - economy
就业 /jì⁴⁴ wò⁴⁴/ B2	noun - employment; job market
匿名 /niàn⁴⁴ mìŋ⁵⁵/ C1	adjective - anonymous
投稿 /tɕi⁵⁵ tǒu⁵⁵/ C1	verb - to submit; to post (content) noun - submission; post
项目 /ɕi⁴⁴ mɑŋ⁴⁴/ B1	noun - project; program
权利 /tɕʰyɛⁿ⁵⁵ li⁵⁵/ B2	noun - rights; entitlements

Key Grammar Structures

• 从2022年5月到现在 我们一起走过了150期节目

  ➔ Verb + 过 (experience / completed action)

  ➔ The word "走过了" shows the perfective “verb + 过” pattern, indicating that the action of “walked through/covered” has been completed.

• 这三年来 俄乌战争没有停止

  ➔ Negation with 没有 (did not / has not)

  ➔ The phrase "没有停止" uses the negation 没有 before the verb, meaning “did not stop”.

• 信息管控更严密了

  ➔ Comparative + 了 (degree of change)

  ➔ The adverb "更" plus the particle "了" in "更严密了" shows a comparative increase – “has become more stringent”.

• 我们却未能如愿朝着理想世界前进

  ➔ Modal verb 未能 (was unable to)

  ➔ "未能" before "如愿" expresses inability – “could not achieve our wish”.

• 当我第一次录下我的声音时 我说 我们希望给这个混乱困惑的世界增加一丝清晰度

  ➔ Temporal clause with 当…时

  ➔ "当…时" introduces a time reference – “when I first recorded…”.

• 如果说它是一个普遍存在的问题的话 那我们有没有一种方式可以去统计和记录这些事情

  ➔ Conditional clause 如果…的话

  ➔ "如果…的话" creates a hypothesis – “if it were a common problem, …”.

• 我们收到了4000多个学校的投稿 全国大概是有12000多所高中吧

  ➔ Approximation with 大概 (approximately)

  ➔ "大概" signals an estimate – “roughly 12,000 high schools”.

• 这个投稿的名字被隐掉以后他还不愿意

  ➔ Passive voice with 被 (was hidden)

  ➔ "被隐掉" uses the passive marker 被, meaning “was hidden”.

• 我们把它发到A表上

  ➔ 把‑construction (disposal construction)

  ➔ "把它发到" places the object before the verb, showing the handling of “it”.

• 如果说我可以作为一个反对派的话 那我们还能做些什么

  ➔ Conditional clause 如果…的话 (hypothetical)

  ➔ "如果说…的话" sets up a hypothetical situation – “if I could be a dissident, …”.