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We've had 28 women murdered in the last

five years. It seems like there's less

appetite to come out and riot whenever

the perpetrator looks like someone you

might work with or play football with.

>> Why do the government and left-wing

politicians continue to call concerned

citizens far right when the vast

majority are just concerned about

illegal immigration.

>> Right. So we mentioned rhetoric already.

Um Hillary, let me come to you.

Obviously K star at the labor conference

today referred to uh a policy of of

reform as a racist policy when it comes

to immigration.

>> Yeah.

>> I mean racist far right. Do you agree

with that?

>> Yes I do because if you look at what

reform has proposed on indefinite leave

to remain because controlling migration

is absolutely right and proper.

something the government is committed to

which is why we are making changes to

the immigration system. That is one

thing. Tightening up the rules for

settlement and so on. It is completely

different to say to people who have

lived in this country for a long time,

paid taxes, worked, contributed that

their right to remain in Britain, we

gave a promise, is could be taken away

from them and they could be deported.

And when people think about it, who do

you know who has indefinite leave to

remain? It could be the carer who's

looking after your ill mother. It could

be your neighbor. It could be an in-law.

It could be the doctor who treated you

at the hospital. And I think it is an

immoral policy and the prime minister

was right quite right to call it out

because it is in the end divisive. And

as we've just discussed in the wake of

the terrible events in Manchester today,

there are enough people out there who

want to divide the nation and we should

be trying to bring people together and

have a sensible debate about the

difference between proper controls on

migration and not breaking the word that

we've given to people about their

ability to continue to contribute to

this country.

The question was asked uh about

concerned citizens not about reform but

about concerned citizens uh which there

is a vast majority that are concerned

about illegal immigration which I don't

think you answered

>> and do you feel that they are being

wrongly referred to as far right

>> wrongly referred to as far right uh as

well as being ignored

Um I accept that there are many people

who are concerned about migration. That

is why the government is taking a number

of steps and Paul's point is that you

feel that they're being called far right

when in fact they're not. That's your

view.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> Well, I I I don't accept that the

government is doing that. We've called

out what Nigel Farage proposed and

reform proposed, but we're also making

changes to the immigration system which

I hope people will recognize as they

unfold. say changing the arrangements

for getting indefinite leave to remain

people have to make a contribution not

be claiming benefits spotless criminal

record all of those things that we've

announced looking at the way in which

the European Convention of Human Rights

is interpreted not leaving it because if

we left the European Convention we'd be

in a club of three in Europe Russia

Bellarus and the United Kingdom and

there are parties on the panel that are

in favor of us leaving

>> Alex Look, uh, in answer to your

question, there isn't, uh, I haven't

seen any justification for the use of

those terms. And you're right, there are

a lot of people who are concerned about

levels of immigration. They're perfectly

entitled to hold those views and to not

be shouted down. And and I before I was

a politician, I was a history teacher.

And in my lifetime, I have watched

people take words that meant one thing

in the 1930s and try to apply them to

entirely different situations in the

modern age and distort them. far right

used to mean uh the Nazis who rounded

people up and you committed the worst

atrocities in history and put them in

camps and murdered them. It's now used

to accuse people who raise concerns

about immigration of being the same

thing is totally unacceptable. What's

what's happened here very clearly is

that the prime minister went to Labour

Party conference and did not want to

talk about all of the scandals

enveloping his government. Didn't want

to talk about Angela Rainy. Didn't want

to talk about Peter Mandlesson. Didn't

want to talk about Morgan Mcweeny.

didn't want to talk about the state of

the economy. What he tried to do was

distract everybody from that by saying

something stupid. And unfortunately, he

had a degree of success with that. I

don't think we should put up with it. I

think we should talk about the main

issues and not be calling each other

names. woman in the middle.

>> Um, I believe in an inclusive society,

but I think when Paul said that people

were concerned, they're concerned

because they see it as an insidious

erosion of our culture and identity. And

Mr. Ben, your government don't seem to

want to protect that. In the south of

Ireland, there's been a 10% rise in

population and the last consensus in

2023 in the south of Ireland there was

20% of the people identified as not

being born in the country. I I I think

that was conservative estimate and I

believe it's probably more like 30%.

>> I mean obviously we we don't know that

statistic. I I should just point out

that the UK will soon be going in that

direction and will soon reach those

figures.

>> Okay. Can I just take issue with the

terms like insidious erosion of our

culture that is

this is our human beings that we are

talking about. We know in this part of

the world what it's like to go away to

get a job to start a new life away from

war and how we were treated when we

moved away. I think what's happened to

Kier Star Dmer is that Nigel Farage is

dragging him around by the tea. I think

he is hemorrhaging votes on the right

and the and the left and what he's

struggling to do is explain to people

that the reason you're on a housing

waiting list and the reason that the NHS

is underfunded and that your child can't

get a special school place is not

because of immigrants. It is because of

successive governments in Westminster

and in this part of the country that is

the reason as well. And now Kirst has

decided to go after people like delivery

drivers and bring in something like a

brickyard. None of that is going to

build houses here. None of that is going

to bring school places and none of it is

going to affect the NHS. We need to be

very careful when politicians start

punching down because it means they

don't have any policies that can help

you.

Uh I think it's important in these kind

of discussions because they t can tend

to get very sort of emotive very quickly

is to sort of look at the facts and

there were figures out this week or last

week that showed that in the last 12

months the population of Northern

Ireland has grown by

>> a fraction of a percent. It's been quite

small in the grand scheme of things and

there the context is different in the

republic and different in GB

>> but I think here we have to be very wary

of what is really happening here and not

sort of somewhere else that we see and

try and get caught up in those kind of

conversations. The most important thing

I think is to deal with this as it

happens and as it sort of affects us.

>> Well, let's just get some statistics

then. So 3.4% of the population in

Northern Ireland is from an ethnic

minority. uh that compares to England

and Wales where it's 18 over 18% but in

in Northern Ireland just in 2011 it was

1.8 so it has gone up but it's it's it's

still very small. Yeah, I I think it's

very easy to hide behind some of the

statistics and I actually agree with the

original question because it has been a

deliberate attempt by Labor and

previously the Conservative government

to brand anybody that showed any concern

with illegal and uncontrolled

immigration as racist. That was wrong.

And I'll tell you why. because people

with genuine heartfelt lived experience

seen as so I I look for example in

Belfast it is the second highest

dispersal rates for asylum seekers from

hotels into accommodation in local

communities right HMOs have h changed

the landscape of some of comm some of

our communities it is without doubt that

immigration particularly the cost

associated has had a dramatic impact and

I listen how people can say well It's

not because of the levels of illegal

immigration that's affecting our health

service and GP access and housing and

school places. But look at the figures.

15.3 billion across the UK by 2029 to

provide asylum accommodation and

support. That's not including other

costs such as legal cost.

>> All right. 15.3 billion what?

>> H pounds right across the UK for housing

asylum seekers and other associated

costs. In Northern Ireland alone, that

figure will balloon to 400 million. Now,

this is the point.

>> That's assuming the status quo remains.

>> Yes. And it may well get worse. So, and

it has got worse when we look at the

statistics. 50,000 people came by boat

into GB in this past year. That's what

we know of. But let's look at what that

money could actually do. Could that

money fund health care? Could it help to

the 400 million alone would would be the

entire capital budget for education in

Northern Ireland alone. So I do not

accept that anybody that has a

legitimate concern in relation to

illegal and uncontrolled immigration is

racist. That's lazy politics. Just this

week David Lami tried to insinuate that

Nigel Farage was in some way connected

to the Hitler youth. How low can you go?

The Labor government are catching on

very quick. The silent majority want

common sense. They want border

enforcement and they want to ensure that

this country that those that come to it

respect our laws, contribute and most

importantly ensure that our culture and

our values are not in competition with

theirs.

>> Man here in the glasses.

I completely agree with Jonathan just

going back to Hillary's point saying

that reforms uh rhetoric is divisive.

The prime minister of the country said a

few months ago that we risk becoming an

island of strangers. Why isn't that

divisive? But as soon as it is Nigel

Farage will say it. It's a it's racist.

His supporters are far right. He's far

right. But when Kier Star says it, it's

an accident. It's a mistake.

>> Okay. Man here in with a blair. Yes.

Uh just to bring it back to the original

question, um

to target someone on the basis of where

they come from or their identity or

ethnicity in particular, that is racist.

>> Um so I don't see how it could be

described any other way. I understand

that people are having to deal with um

the cost of living being untenable. Um

but that's nothing to do with um where

people are coming from.

>> Uh

that's right.

>> Okay, you made your point. big woman

here in the front.

>> Uh, can I just over the summer we had

riots and vigilante groups here and a

lot of politicians came out and said

that well these people had legitimate

concerns. We've had 28 women murdered in

the last 5 years.

>> It seems like there's less appetite to

come out and riot whenever the

perpetrator looks like someone you might

work with or play football with.

I I completely endorse that point and

and unfortunately my own constituency in

North Belfast witnessed some horrific uh

racist attacks and intimidation. And

there's an ability to come out and

condemn that without using the word but

at at the end of it. And I don't see

enough of that whenever we talk about

acts of racism and intimidation or

sectarianism that was quite rampant in

this part of the world. certainly at at

the beginning of the summer. I I think

the the debate itself for me is

primarily focused in England at the

minute. Um whether it's reform or

whether it's the points that have been

made uh between Hillary and Alex so far

this evening. But this conversation and

it goes back to the question I'm not

avoiding that this conversation demands

it demands accuracy and integrity when

we talk about it. So there is a way in

which you can ask a question on

immigration which has integrity and

accuracy at its heart or that you may

have a have an honest um an honest

appetite to get information that is

relevant to that. But there's also

another way to go about that

conversation and unfortunately that's

what we've seen too much of. We've seen

that type of dog whistle politics. Uh

we've already seen it so far this

evening with statistics being thrown

here there and everywhere. The issues

that the issues that come into my door

in my constituency office, the issues

that I talk about with people on the

street or people who are asking for our

help is not on the boats that are coming

up Belfast lock the way some local

politicians would have you believe

because that's completely fanciful. It's

about cost of living. It's about

demanding a a better a better um outcome

from Westminster. It's about seeing an

executive working together to tackle the

problems in our health service. We need

more workers coming into particularly

that area of life as well as delivering

on everything else. So I do take issue

with anybody who would infer that the

number one issue here is around

migrants. We've already had the the

statistic that there's only 3.4% of

ethnic minorities that live in this part

of the world that call it home. For me,

anybody who wants to call this place

home, we have a duty to put our arms

around them and make them feel as

welcome as possible.

>> So unlimited immigration into

No, let's and and let's just

>> you say anyone who wants to come here,

you need to welcome them. I just know

what you meant by

>> I I didn't appreciate you were going to

jump on that word, but I see Johnny is

trying to do the same. So, let's let's

make it very clear. Nobody would want

that. And and let's be very clear about

that. any responsible government or

authority around the world wants to have

a lawful, legally compassionate and

enforced and resourced immigration

policy. To say that anybody is for open

borders is nonsensical. And it goes back

to the point that I'm making about

accuracy.

>> It's only reflecting what you wasn't

directing that at you. I was directing

that at Johnny who's saying who's saying

that that's exactly what I want. It

isn't what I want. It is not what Shinfe

wants. You do have the ability and there

are examples of this to talk about

immigration to have an immigration

policy which obviously isn't evolved

that in this part of the world that

comes from Westminster but to have an

immigration policy that needs to be

resourced because that's a big problem

in this as well and needs to be

enforced. But there's an ability to do

that that is completely compliant with

human rights and international law where

you are treating people with compassion

and not in the way in which we've heard

some people talk so far this evening.

briefly.

>> Briefly, but John, that's part of the

problem because your actions don't match

uh the rhetoric because not so long ago

in the Northern Ireland Assembly, I

brought a motion calling for action on

uncontrolled and illegal immigration.

Your party voted it down. So, you can

say what you want in the audience

tonight, but your actions do not do not

bear out that you're a party that is

part of legal immigration. No, but it

showed the sentiment. And here here's

the other problem. There's a huge

conversation happening across Northern

Ireland right now. There are people from

traditional nationalists and Republican

backgrounds alongside unionists and

loyalists who feel that enough is enough

when it comes to pansying around on

illegal immigration. Control our borders

being yes. Control our borders and

restore order. And that's certainly a

policy that I'll be pushing for and

continue to

>> mean. That is a word that is often used

as a derogatory term for people who

homosexual. Is that what

>> No, that is exactly not what I mean.

That is exactly what I mean.

>> No, it is not. No, that is not what I

mean.

>> I say very, very clearly that is not

what I mean. I'm saying clearly to the

audience tonight, there's a conversation

happening in Northern Ireland. Other

people want to deflect from it. Let's

get serious. Let's ensure that we have

border policies that reflect a country

that is in control of its borders.

>> All right. I'm and I'm going to if you

forgive me I'm going to move

Key Vocabulary

Vocabulary	Meanings
concern /kənˈsɜːrn/ B1	noun - a matter of interest or importance verb - to relate to or affect
immigration /ˌɪmɪˈɡreɪʃən/ B2	noun - the act of coming to live permanently in a foreign country
policy /ˈpɒləsi/ B1	noun - a course of action intended to achieve something
government /ˈɡʌvənmənt/ A2	noun - the group of people with the authority to govern a country
citizen /ˈsɪtɪzən/ A2	noun - a legally recognized subject or national of a state
illegal /ɪˈliːɡəl/ B1	adjective - not authorized by the law
control /kənˈtroʊl/ A2	verb - to manage or exercise restraint over noun - the power to influence or direct people's behavior
riot /ˈraɪət/ B2	noun - a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd verb - to take part in a violent public disturbance
perpetrator /ˈpɜːrpətreɪtər/ C1	noun - a person who carries out a harmful, illegal, or immoral act
racist /ˈreɪsɪst/ B2	adjective - showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism based on race noun - a person who believes in racism
reform /rɪˈfɔːrm/ B2	noun - the action or process of reforming an institution or practice verb - to make changes to improve something
divisive /dɪˈvaɪsɪv/ C1	adjective - tending to cause disagreement or hostility between people
deport /dɪˈpɔːrt/ B2	verb - to expel someone from a country
contribution /ˌkɒntrɪˈbjuːʃən/ B1	noun - the act of giving something to a common supply or fund
erosion /ɪˈroʊʒən/ B2	noun - the gradual destruction of something
inclusive /ɪnˈkluːsɪv/ B2	adjective - not excluding any group or part
insidious /ɪnˈsɪdiəs/ C1	adjective - proceeding in a gradual, subtle way, but with very harmful effects
aggregate /ˈæɡrɪɡət/ C1	noun - a sum total of many parts verb - to collect or form into a mass or whole
rhetoric /ˈrɛtərɪk/ C1	noun - the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing