Hi Yareli, so we obviously know eachother already, but for those viewers who are watching this just gonna introduce
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myself my name is Anita Casavantes
Bradford I'm an associate professor of
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history and Chicano Latino Studies and I
am a first-generation college student
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and first women in my family to finish
high school and why don't you introduce
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yourself as well. Hi, I am Yareli Castro I am third-year political science and soon-to-be
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history double-major. I am also an undocumented student so that adds on to the first generation.
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Thank you so much, thank you for
being here just to kind of start things
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out I want you to think back whether
it's to childhood or high school or
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whatever and when was the moment when
you first decided that you wanted to go
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to college? I don't I don't think I have
a moment in mind when I decided
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that I was going to go to college it was
something that I've always just had in my
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mind like I'm gonna go to college.
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Back in Mexico both of my parents were going to be lawyers but that didn't quite turn out just because we're from
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Sinaloa so I guess the political
spectrum in the political climate got a
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little bit to hectic did and so my mom
couldn't really go to college and my dad
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didn't either so it was when they
decided to begin migrating so we
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started coming to the United States and
things like that so when I came here it
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was just one of the things that I was
like oh that's a really exciting the
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United States has a lot of really good
universities and so I was like I'm
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gonna go to college but I think in high
school I went to a really small high
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school and so there was about 500 of us
in total and so being an undocumented student it was really hard for me because our counselor
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didn't really know what it meant to be
undocumented and so I had to really seek
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the resources and I had to educate
myself on a lot of the issues like
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financial aid how do I applied for
financial aid here in-state tuition
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and things like that
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and so I spent so many of my years
really learning all of this by myself
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that there was no way that I was not
gonna go to college
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just because I spent four years learning
about everything and I did a research
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project in which I was finding the ways
that I could incite other undocumented
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students to come to college so I was
like I'm not gonna be hypocritical and not go to college but I'm
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telling you that you should go to
college and so it just became one of the
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things that there was no way I wasn't going to go to college and so I had
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really good grades and things like that
and hopefully I was able to come here
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which is really exciting. So you were
dealing with not just being the first in
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your family to go to college but you were
also dealing with being an undocumented
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student at a time when laws in
California were changing faster than
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the university system and the high
school system could keep track of right
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so I mean we've talked with other
students about how coming to university
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for them was like kinda like entering a
foreign country right you don't speak
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the language you don't know the rules
that's kind of doubly true if you're an
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undocumented student right from
your perspective how is it different to
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be both undocumented and a first gen
student? In college? I would say just because there's
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just not adequate training for faculty
and stuff so I remember going to
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financial aid in this and I was just
asking questions like have you ever seen
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my California Dream Act and things like
that and they would be like oh I'm not
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sure let me ask someone else right so people
when I would go ask questions they didn't have the
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answers themselves they had to ask which
showed to me that they weren't
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really trained and they didn't know how to
really help us and there was like a lot
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of issues that we face there's like
legal issues and mental mental issues in
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like health issues that for a lot of us
like we don't have insurance or do we do
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so it was nice coming here and just
really getting insurance for the first
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time right, while I see my parents and
they struggle like when they get sick as
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one of those really stressful times
because it's a lot of money
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and my mom got sick for a while and she
didn't have insurance and that was like
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a really stressful time not only like
emotionally but financially it was
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really stressful and so coming here
is really hard having to explain
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yourself like I'm undocumented and this
is what it means to be undocumented and
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this is the extra help that I need from
you but for them not to be able to give
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you like concrete answers and to really
tell you and guide you along the way
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because they don't know about your
identity
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it's really really hard and just the
added stress of classes was just like on
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top of everything else and really and
really also struggling with my identity
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was really tough, Oh can I tell you, can
I trust you not to out me right and there
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there was a lot of things that came when
when I started telling people I'm
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undocumented I know I didn't care but
there was a lot of people that were not
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at that stage so it was a little hard
really dealing with both of those things.
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So you're dealing with being the first
in the family to go to college your
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dealing with being an undocumented
student you're dealing with being in a
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totally different place family issues
all of this right and I think in a lot
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of ways that's probably common for many
first-gen students right documented or
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undocumented all of these extra
challenges and yet you have succeeded
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and you are succeeding right like I know
you have a great GPA and I know you
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spent the summer at a pre-law program
you know at the UCI law school you are
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succeeding so what is the secret right
what have you learned in your last
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couple of years here at UCI that that
has helped you and that might help other
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first gen students to succeed? My first
quarter was my worst quarter I could say
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and I didn't do too bad I still made
Dean's honors list but it was my first
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quarter and I think that the toughest
part was really getting the hang of the
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quarter system it was really fast. I
remember I started and it was
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already weak 8. I was like oh my God where did all the time go? That happens to
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Yeah, so it was really really tough and even now I'm an academic advisor for the school of social
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sciences and I notice that and there's like
a big pattern like the people's first
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quarters are pretty much the worst
quarters and from what I learned is that
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I always needed to have someone in my
classes that could help me so I always
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took classes with my friends who were
political science majors and things like
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that and I did well because I had study
groups I couldn't study by myself I
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couldn't catch up on reading by myself
like I had to talk to someone because it
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was a lot easier just talking to someone
about the content then just reading it
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and just paying attention in class so all
of the study groups I was really
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supplemental to and it really helped also, what I learned is that I really like my major
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and there's people who come to do it
because their parents told them or
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because they want to make money in the
future so it's not really something that
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they really truly want to do and so I've
noticed that if it's not something that
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they thought about myself like yes I
want to be this major they usually don't
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do good and I've seen this pattern when I
talk to when I talk to students in
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the office I could tell whether or not they wanted to do that major
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and also I think it's hard because you
need to have a really good background
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in everything that you do so I know
for like a lot of the econ majors like
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if you don't have a good background in math you're not gonna do good and that's
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affect you and so what I've noticed is just like you need to you need to make sure that
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you're doing what you want to do and
what you love to do and you'll do fine
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and you'll do a lot better than if you didn't.
So let's talk about that a bit right
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because that that resonates with me
because when I was an undergrad you know
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I was really interested in was
interested in sociology I was interested
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in development studies I was interested
in Latin American Studies and yet I and
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so I used all of my elective credits to
study the things that I liked but I had
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already decided for myself that I was
going to get a degree in English and
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history because those were teachable
subjects I was gonna get my teachers
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credential and I was going to work right
like a lot of first-gen students
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students from low-income households
you're thinking of college is what I do
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in order to get a job so I didn't
give myself the flexibility to just
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choose whatever major I wanted
eventually it all worked out for me
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right I ended up exactly where I wanted to be but twenty years later what would you say to
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students who are legitimately
concerned about you know needing to get
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a job after college and they do think
about that when they choose their major
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right what would you say to them well
what I do tell students is like yeah you
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might do something that will prepare you
for to get a job but even but even in it
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but you probably won't get a good GPA
and that's not gonna look very good on
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you right and that's probably not gonna allow you to get a good job while in the
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other hand you could get you could do the major that you really really
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want to do and your GPA reflected and
you will do much better so that's what I
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tell people honestly you need to like weigh
what you want to do versus like
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getting a job because it's on it's gonna
look way better on your resume for you
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to have something that that you love
right have a major and for you to have
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straight A's and B's and things like that
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while you could be doing something
that not necessarily what you want to do
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what you doin it because you have to and
you're getting C's so it's
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like one of the things that I tell
people think about it think about it
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because like your future pretty much
depends on it like I know it's not set
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in stone but it's pretty much like
you're getting there and you need to
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really think about what you're doing
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yeah passion passion makes people stand
out right so if your passion is
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literature your passion is anthropology
and you can't clearly see how there's a
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job at the end of that if you're
passionate and you work hard people
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notice that. Because the opportunities come right they kinda do don't they
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especially here you could do research in
anything and it doesn't really matter
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whether I'm doing political
science and I'm doing research and I'm
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doing research on something that I'm
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interested about and that's gonna show
when I when I apply to a graduate
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program and things like that right where
else I could be doing some other major but
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I wasn't really interested in how is
that gonna help me in the long run. So
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let's talk about grad school because
obviously first gen students go to
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graduate school in lower numbers right
undocumented students go to university
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at all in very very low numbers right
and then graduate school there's you
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know just a few shining stars across the
country that are blazing that pathway
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right so what are your plans for
graduate school? I have debating I've
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been debating this a lot but hopefully
I've been doing really well my classes
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and I been just getting as much
experience as I can so I'm planning on
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hopefully doing a joint degree to get my
my law degree and my PhD at the same
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time I'm I'm still like decided whether
I wanted to be a political science or
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history but I'm still like in the middle
of it before the most part that's a
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really liked the path that I want to
take just because I know that I want to
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practice immigration law but I wanna go
back to my communities and to
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undocumented folks and just really
teach them because I feel that they
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don't get they don't get a good good
education from the very beginning so
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that sets them back a lot and so now
when their planning in High
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School and things like that they already
don't have the good background to do
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really good and go on to college and go
on to graduate school so I want to start
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from there. So what would you say to
other first-gen students documented and
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undocumented here at UCI that think
well graduate school is not for people
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like me right I can't afford graduate
school I don't know I don't know anyone
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who's ever been to graduate school what
would you say to them? I'm in the same
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situation as you are but just because
you think just because you think the
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future doesn't look bright
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that doesn't mean that it's not but you
need to you need to be
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you need to be reaching for you need to
be working towards some people think
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that everything was just gonna come to
them but you need to work really hard
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specially for your first generation
college student you have to work like
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twice or three times as hard just
because you're not gonna have the background
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knowledge I know I can't ask my parents like oh how do I apply for grad school
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because they're not gonna know how does
law school they're not gonna know
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so it's like one of those things that
you need to be like teaching yourself
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along the process and really getting
mentors too. I know I can ask you
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for anything and I really wish that
people really had that someone
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someone who's been there who is gotten a
PhD law degree and we are able to ask
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for anything right and so I think that's
one of the things that we need to be
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building the foundation for those
first-generation college students that
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that want to pursue a graduate studies
but are scared so I feel like those are one
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of those things that they're scared just
because no one has it they don't know
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anyone who's done in there and they're
gonna stop there but I mean if everyone
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would have said that then there'll be no
first-generation college students like
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going and getting the PhD so I feel like
we need to be more, we
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need to we need to be like taking
advantage of all the opportunities
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especially here we are a research
institution and I feel like people don't
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take advantage of that at times, but is
a real easy to get involved like you
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know but obviously you need to seek that
the mentors and faculty here. So in
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practical terms how do you do that right
how do you as a student who has just
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arrived at UCI there's what 30,000
students at UCI and you know you're in a
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lecture hall there's two hundred
students there's one professor how do
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you form a relationship with that
faculty member what do you do? I feel
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like both those are a little harder to
get involved but people don't take
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advantage of office hours I go to
office hours a lot and there's no one
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there so people think that faculty are Oh strange like I'm not
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gonna talk to them they're very very
scary but I mean they're there for a
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reason they wanna mentor students
and things like that so really
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being like actively participating and
getting to know your professors and
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asking questions even when you don't
understand my new things and just go ask
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like there's no hurt in that
but also take advantage of upper Division
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classes because they're a lot smaller
and I know
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there is 20 of us so I'm gonna get to know
her and she's gonna get to know each one
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of those things that you can't be shy and
you can't be afraid to ask questions and
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to engage with your faculty because then
you're not gonna get to know anyone? So
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what if you are shy right let's let's
let's talk about the first gen student
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that is shy and it is afraid right
what are two things that you would
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suggest that are like baby steps that
they could do in their first quarter
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that will put them on a you know put
them on the right path? I would say the
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very first thing is just the least go
introduce yourself like oh I like your
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lecture like what you talked about today
and then even if you don't want to go
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straight to the professor go to your
teaching assistant I feel like they
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could they could feel like they're a
little bit more personable just because
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they are in college with you you know so
it could be one of those like a building
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blocks like go talk to someone and they
slowly build up your courage to talk to
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your professors but I mean I feel like
it's a lot easier for you to talk to
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your professors when there's no one
there so it's one of those things that find
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excuses too you know, I remember I was
like oh I don't understand that I'm
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gonna go talk to them so that's one of
the things that you need to be able to
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just get out of your comfort zone I
remember I was like that freshman year
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but that just went away cause I allowed
myself to take that step and be like oh
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my god I can't be afraid I'm gonna need
letters of recommendation I'm gonna need
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you know people who could say good things about me right right you
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don't want to be in your 4th year
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thinking okay now I'm going to apply to
graduate school are now applying to
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now applying for my first job and I
don't have any relationships with the
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professors so I don't have anybody to
ask for recommendation letters right
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like you want to build that relationship
starting from year one or year two right
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so that when you as that professor for
recommendation they can write a real
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letter they can say I've known Yareli
for three years right so let's
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brainstorm together
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think let's think back to the first
quarter right but that difficult first
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quarter where everyone feels like what
am I doing here right let's brainstorm a
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list of five or six things that you can
do in that first quarter to succeed ok
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so I'm gonna start with have all of your
books on the first day of class right so
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that's kind of one of my pet peeves as a
professor I send out emails two weeks
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before the quarter start asking people
to just get their books cause the quarter is
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so fast right if you don't if you don't
have the books and you don't start
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reading your gonna be in trouble right
so get your books what's something else
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they can do to succeed?
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One thing I've seen and I didn't do but take only 12 units the minimum just because I took it like
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I took twenty and I was like, ohmy god but I did well but I look back on it and I was like I
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should have only takenthree classes. just
because it's a lot easier it's a lot
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easier for you to get the hang of it
when you only had three classes and
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you're doing you know just lower
division classes really getting into
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your major and really realizing whether
you like it or not and so I tell people
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take 12 units that they could handle
everything I took this many classes
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in high school when I take this many
classes but it's not the same it's really
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not the same right so another thing
expect to work in my in my opinion
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expect to work a forty to 50 hour week
right like just because you're only in
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classes for 12 hours a week most of your
time should be spent on studying reading
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do the reading by what else what's one
more thing? One more thing
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get to know people in your class and
make study groups I remember very first
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person that I talked to still my friend
but he helped me out a lot we did
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really well and the political science class
and it was because lets say I didn't understand
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something I would just call him
and be like can you come help me can we study
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together and it was a lot easier because
there was a lot of reading to for that
19:49
class and I was just like oh I don't
think I can do it and he was like ok I'll read
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little bit you read a little bit and
we'll just talk about it and then we'll
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make flashcards and study guides and
things like that and it all just worked
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out fine but people are afraid to talk
to their peers and I'm like oh my god if you
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can't talk to your peers that's gonna be
a lot harder for you to talk to other people
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and it just becomes a lot easier you
know it's like two working together.
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Right okay so final words of
encouragement for first-gen students
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documented and undocumented at UCI?
Seek the resources and seek their faculty and
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staff I know there's a lot of faculty
that are always just there to help you
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like you and Dr. Reese has been really
helpful and just for them to talk to you
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and ask for advice when you don't
understand anything don't hesitate to
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ask questions I feel like people feel
like I'm dumb, I'm sure someone else has the same
20:44
question as you so don't hesitate to ask
questions and keep up with the readings
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that's like the toughest thing for me some time but yeah definitely
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and they're not alone there's a lot of us here at UCI people think like I'm
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and I can't talk to my parents about it but there's a lot of was like to seek us out I'm sure they're like a person
sitting next to you might be a
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first-generation college student and I've
notice that a lot because my professors have
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been starting to ask, like who's a first
generation college student and it was like the
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whole class and so you know they're not
alone and they could seek us out
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anytime. Right sixty percent of us 60
percent of the undergraduate population
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here is first-gen alright well thank
you. Thank you.
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