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Alright, well, everyone, good morning. 00:04
So I’m Carl Miller, 00:06
and I spent years watching people trying to have someone murdered. 00:08
They thought they were doing it in secret, 00:16
but they weren't. 00:19
So the year was 2020. 00:21
COVID had descended 00:24
and just like everyone else, I was spending a lot of time online. 00:26
But I was going on a bit of the internet 00:30
that I think probably fewer people here have actually been on: 00:32
the darknet. 00:35
A bit of the internet that, thanks to clever technology encryption, 00:36
basically ensures your anonymity. 00:40
And rumors have swirled around the darknet for years 00:42
that you could buy anything on the darknet. 00:46
That you could buy drugs, 00:48
you could buy guns, that you could buy uranium. 00:50
And also that you can buy murder, 00:53
on websites like this. 00:57
This is what the website looked like 01:00
when I first laid eyes on it all those years ago. 01:01
I mean, it looks like a website from the 1990s. 01:05
It looks like someone trying to make clip art as scary as possible. 01:07
But the offer that the website makes is a serious one. 01:12
This website is saying, "Hey, we're the Mafia, 01:15
and now you can deal directly with us thanks to the darknet." 01:19
So you go on to this part of the internet, 01:22
you load in your alias, 01:24
you type in the message, 01:26
and then it says you can directly transact to have someone killed. 01:28
And so it was that in 2020, 01:34
a hacker that I was working with, a man called Chris Monteiro, 01:37
he was looking at this website. 01:41
He was probing it, he was scanning it. 01:44
He was seeing what he could learn. 01:46
And then in discovery, which changed, 01:48
I think, both Chris and my life forever, 01:50
momentously, Chris found a little vulnerability 01:53
with the way in which this website worked. 01:57
A kind of little technical gap, if you will, 02:00
that he could kind of, in a weird way, wiggle through 02:02
and get into the back end of the website. 02:05
And there Chris could see all the kill orders being placed. 02:09
He could see names, addresses, pattern-of-life information, 02:14
bitcoin payments 02:19
and all the messages trying to have someone killed. 02:20
So he phoned me. 02:24
So suddenly these were flying in. 02:27
These are, by the way, the literal actual kill orders 02:29
we're intercepting on the site. 02:32
I'm not mocking up anything today. 02:33
These are all real. 02:35
So suddenly we were seeing 02:36
that there was a hit to kill someone in Amsterdam. 02:37
"A simple, easy person, but high risk of putting me in jail." 02:40
They paid almost 2,000 dollars. 02:43
There was a hit to kill someone in Paris for 1,000 dollars. 02:45
A person that needs to go away, 02:47
her apartment needs to be set on fire. 02:49
A large order to kill someone in Slovakia. 02:51
"I need you to take down one guy," they say. 02:54
14,000 dollars. 02:56
There was an order in Hyderabad, in India. 02:57
There was an order in Berlin 02:59
to kill someone probably working from home, 03:01
21,000 dollars for that one. 03:03
Now some of these kill orders were short and curt and clipped. 03:05
Others were long, 03:11
offering lurid justifications as to why it was the right thing 03:13
that this person had to die. 03:17
And others still, they would log in almost every day, 03:18
almost providing real-time updates. 03:20
Oh, the target's just left the house. 03:22
This is the car they're driving. 03:24
This is how they're going to get to work. 03:26
But put together, 03:28
we called all of these orders the “Kill List.” 03:29
It is the single most grotesque, disgusting, horrible, 03:33
frightening thing I've ever had to read in my entire life. 03:38
And it was getting longer all the time. 03:42
So I did what any sane person would do. 03:45
I phoned the police. 03:47
And so it was in the middle of COVID, 03:49
the first two strangers that I'd seen for months 03:51
were two somewhat nervous uniformed police officers 03:54
from the Metropolitan Police stood in my kitchen, 03:57
and I laid it all out for them. 04:00
I took them through the website, 04:01
I took them through the hacks, I showed them the orders, 04:03
we'd drawn this diagram of how the website worked. 04:05
And they looked at it 04:09
and they looked at me and they looked at each other 04:11
and they were unfortunately, genuinely quite concerned I was insane. 04:13
(Laughter) 04:17
And it's a bit of a longer story, but ultimately, 04:19
the Metropolitan Police decided 04:21
not to take up an active investigation in the site. 04:23
But we knew we couldn't step away. 04:25
Like these people, 04:27
these people whose images we could see, 04:29
who we knew where they lived, these people being targeted, 04:31
they might be in terrible danger. 04:33
You know, they might not know that someone out there, 04:35
on the darknet, was trying to have them killed. 04:38
So we took a decision. 04:40
Maybe the most difficult decision I've ever had to make, 04:41
certainly professionally. 04:44
And the decision was that I would go 04:46
and reach the people on the Kill List myself. 04:48
Directly. 04:51
That I would tell them that someone was trying to kill them. 04:52
And so we sculpted a script. 04:56
We worked with a psychologist, 04:57
we worked out how we would try and soften the blow 04:59
of being told that someone was trying to kill you, 05:01
and I had to also emotionally brace myself for this, I dreaded it. 05:04
The idea that I was about to throw this emotional hand grenade 05:08
in someone's life, it was absolutely awful. 05:11
Anyway, this is the call. 05:13
(Audio) No, I don't want any information. 05:15
I'm trying to give you information. 05:17
Person 1: I don't care. 05:19
No, sir. 05:21
Carl Miller: OK, well, thanks for your time anyway, 05:23
do give me a phone back if you'd like more information. 05:25
This is the second call. 05:29
(Call 2) Would we be able to arrange a time to be able to talk to you 05:32
at greater length about that? 05:36
Person 2: No, no, thank you, thank you, thank you. 05:37
CM: OK. 05:41
So you don't ... 05:43
(Line breaks) 05:45
Hung up on me. 05:46
I mean, I wasn't an emotional hand grenade 05:48
going off in these people's lives, 05:50
I was awful, I mean, no one believed me. 05:52
You know, I spent a week, 05:54
the story was so unbelievably fantastical. 05:55
Darknet assassins, you know, kill orders, 05:57
that I just kept getting hung up on for a week. 06:00
So we knew we needed to evolve our strategy and quickly. 06:02
So we got local journalists on the scene. 06:05
They believed us to go 06:07
and directly meet the people on the Kill List face to face. 06:09
And the first place we tried to do this was to reach a woman called Elena, 06:13
here in Zurich, on the outskirts of Zurich. 06:17
I spoke to the local journalist, 06:20
she drove up to where Elena was living, 06:21
she took a deep breath, 06:24
she got out her car and knocked on Elena's front door. 06:26
And five minutes turned into 10, 10 into 15. 06:28
And then at last, after an agonizing wait, 06:31
there was Elena on a Zoom call, 06:34
a woman whose face I'd only seen on a kill order, 06:36
was there speaking to me. 06:39
And this was the warning I delivered her. 06:41
(Audio) Sorry, there's no easy way of really saying this. 06:44
We've come across some information 06:47
which might mean that someone 06:48
had put some information regarding you on the site. 06:50
Elena: I'm actually not really surprised. 06:53
CM: Really? In what way? 06:56
Elena: I'm having an ugly divorce. 06:57
It's going on for about three years now. 07:00
So ... 07:03
And, you know, there's money involved. 07:05
Quite a lot of money. 07:08
And my husband ... 07:09
Actually doesn't want to pay it, so ... 07:14
You know, I'm not really surprised. 07:17
CM: She took it unbelievably well. 07:20
(Laughter) 07:22
Now an important thing to know is that it wasn’t just messages 07:24
going into the site. 07:28
The shadowy people running the site were also replying. 07:29
Some of these conversations would go back and forth 07:32
for weeks or months, and we could read all of those as well. 07:34
And what we realized when we were reading all of those 07:37
was that if there were hitmen out there, 07:40
these were the most incompetent hitmen on the face of the planet. 07:42
They kept losing their weapons, or they kept getting lost. 07:46
It would build up to the hit, 07:48
and suddenly the target would be too well protected 07:50
they'd have to pull out, new teams have to come in, 07:52
and every single time the price would go up. 07:55
It became really obvious that there were no shadowy hitmen out there. 07:57
The site had no interest in killing any of these people. 08:00
They were just trying to extort as much money as they could 08:03
from the people placing the orders. 08:06
But the people placing the orders, 08:07
they, of course, did not know that. 08:09
They were deadly serious 08:11
when they were trying to have these people killed. 08:12
And nowhere was that lesson starker than actually with Elena herself. 08:15
So after we spoke to Elena, we spoke to the police. 08:19
And sometime after that, 08:21
the Swiss police did arrest her husband. 08:23
And only then did we realize 08:26
that he'd been renting a secret room next to her flat. 08:28
And in this room there was a flip knife, 08:33
a telescopic baton, a submachine gun, 08:37
a Glock 9mm pistol, 08:40
an AK-47, zip ties, a black bin bag, 08:41
black rubber gloves, GPS trackers, lock picks. 08:46
That was a lesson to us if we needed it. 08:51
The people writing these orders could be just as dangerous 08:53
as any darknet hitman. 08:57
So who are these people? 09:00
Who are the people writing these orders? 09:01
Who is paying 2,200 dollars here 09:03
for a five-foot-five male with blue eyes to be killed? 09:06
Who? 09:08
This is who's doing it. 09:10
She's Kelly Harper. 09:12
Kelly Harper is a go getter, hospital administrator, 09:14
one-time college sweetheart of the target of the order, 09:18
who'd been locked with him in a bitter, years-long custody battle 09:21
that had raged across the courts and the schools and the hospitals 09:24
of Sun Prairie, Wisconsin. 09:28
Who's paying 16,000 dollars to have a couple removed? 09:30
Someone that they don't "quite see eye-to eye-on something with," 09:33
which sounds like the understatement of the century. 09:37
(Laughter) 09:40
This is a man that's done that, Christopher Pence. 09:42
Forty-year-old Microsoft IT security technician. 09:44
The biological father of 11 children. 09:49
The adoptive father of five more children. 09:51
A deeply religious man, actually, 09:54
who from a large, solitary house in a valley in Utah, 09:56
secretly plotted to have the biological parents 10:01
of his five adoptive children killed. 10:04
This order didn't want the target actually killed. 10:08
This order wanted the target kidnapped and forcibly addicted to heroin. 10:10
The orderer went by the darknet moniker "Scar 215," 10:16
and they actually laid out a bonus structure. 10:21
So "an additional 10,000 to permanently withdraw all court motions. 10:24
An additional 10,000 to keep her mouth shut and tell no one. 10:28
The husband does not know this is happening," 10:31
writes the order. 10:34
Any guesses? 10:36
The husband definitely did know this was happening. 10:38
This is a husband, Dr. Ronald IlG. 10:40
A neonatologist, a doctor, 10:43
A man who ran a clinic for vulnerable women with addiction issues. 10:45
A man who went from a poor rural upbringing in Oregon 10:50
to a senior city clinician, 10:53
and a man obsessed with controlling all the people in his life, 10:55
especially the women. 10:58
A man so devoid of contrition, 10:59
that after his conviction, 11:01
he's been trying to sell the book rights to his life 11:03
by describing it as "50 Shades of Gray" on steroids. 11:05
And it wasn't just here. 11:08
This was a "Sports Direct" love triangle in Milton Keynes. 11:10
This was a woman trying to kill her two parents in Canberra, Australia. 11:14
We saw orders in Nevada, 11:18
we saw orders in Tampa, 11:19
we saw orders in Spain, 11:20
we saw orders in Italy. 11:21
We saw orders almost everywhere. 11:23
Now we started working in secret with the FBI, 11:25
and we were passing all of our orders to the FBI. 11:29
To give you a sense of the scale, 11:31
over the years that we were doing this, 11:33
we disclosed 175 paid-for 11:35
kill orders around the world. 11:39
Thirty-two arrests so far, 11:42
28 convictions so far, 11:44
around 180 years of prison time has been sentenced 11:46
as a result of the investigation so far. 11:49
There's probably more to come. 11:51
(Applause) 11:54
Thanks. 11:58
And in case anyone's wondering, 12:01
no, we're not still doing this. 12:03
So there's a whole other investigation that we did 12:05
into the people running the site. 12:07
It turns out very likely that they were a group of Romanian cyber criminals. 12:09
And some years ago, 12:13
they were then arrested in a rash of raids across Romania. 12:15
We were then locked out the site. 12:18
And yet convictions have continued that we had nothing to do with. 12:20
And that is the only reason I can stand on this stage today 12:24
and tell you about any of this. 12:27
This is, by the way, not a story 12:29
I really thought I would ever be on a stage and able to tell anyone about. 12:30
So it's a spectacular moment for me 12:34
to be able to finally, kind of, talk to the world 12:36
about what we were doing all those long years ago. 12:38
But where are we left with? 12:40
That's, I think, the final idea I want to leave us with. 12:42
What does all of this actually really mean? 12:45
When I first started doing this, 12:48
I thought the kinds of cases that we were going to be dealing with 12:50
were going to be to do with maybe organized crime, 12:54
big drug deals gone awry. 12:57
And I think the reality is somewhat more unsettling than all of that. 12:59
What this website seems to do, 13:05
in the eyes of the orders, at least, 13:08
is to make taking out a hit on someone 13:10
convenient and clean and safe and easy, 13:13
whereas it was once difficult and dangerous and scary. 13:17
It's essentially lowered the barriers to entry to ordering an assassination. 13:22
And I think that that brings us face-to-face with something 13:27
that is quite disconcerting. 13:30
The people on this list, the Kill List, 13:33
and the people that put them there 13:35
are normal people. 13:38
The perpetrators are basically normal people. 13:40
They have jobs, they have friends. 13:42
They go about living their lives just like you and I, you know, 13:44
and they were going about holding all of that down 13:47
basically at the same time 13:50
that they were plotting in secret, constantly, coldly often, 13:51
to have someone killed. 13:55
I think that if there's one thing that unites them all, 13:57
it was often intimate partner violence, by the way, spiraling out of control. 14:00
And I think the one thing that unites them all 14:04
is a desire for control, 14:06
a need to have it, 14:07
an inability to lose it. 14:09
Control of a thing, 14:10
control of a relationship, of a family, 14:12
and a willingness ultimately, of course, to kill, to get it back. 14:14
But I think that's where we are. 14:19
And if there's one thing 14:21
that I've come away from this whole lurid, 14:23
crazy journey, really thinking: 14:26
we might all be just a little bit closer to being on a kill list 14:28
we might like to think. 14:33
Thanks very much, everyone. 14:35
(Applause) 14:36

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murder

/ˈmɜːrdər/

B2
  • noun
  • - 谋杀 (móushā)
  • verb
  • - 谋杀 (móushā)

internet

/ˈɪntərnet/

B1
  • noun
  • - 互联网 (hùliánwǎng)

technology

/tekˈnɒlədʒi/

B2
  • noun
  • - 技术 (jìshù)

anonymity

/əˈnɒnɪməti/

C1
  • noun
  • - 匿名性 (nìmíngxìng)

rumors

/ˈruːmərz/

B1
  • noun
  • - 谣言 (yáoyán)

drugs

/drʌɡz/

B1
  • noun
  • - 毒品 (dú pǐn)

guns

/ɡʌnz/

B1
  • noun
  • - 枪支 (qiāngzhī)

vulnerability

/ˌvʌlnərəˈbɪləti/

C1
  • noun
  • - 脆弱性 (cuìruòxìng)

scanning

/ˈskænɪŋ/

B2
  • verb
  • - 扫描 (sǎomiáo)

intercepting

/ˌɪntərˈseptɪŋ/

B2
  • verb
  • - 拦截 (lánjié)

orders

/ˈɔːrdərz/

B1
  • noun
  • - 命令 (mìnglìng)

payments

/ˈpeɪmənts/

B1
  • noun
  • - 付款 (fùkuǎn)

intercepting

/ˌɪntərˈseptɪŋ/

B2
  • verb
  • - 拦截 (lánjié)

grotesque

/ɡroʊˈtesk/

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  • adjective
  • - 怪诞的 (guàidàn de)

disgusting

/dɪsˈɡʌstɪŋ/

B2
  • adjective
  • - 令人厌恶的 (lìng rén yànwù de)

horrible

/ˈhɒrəbl/

B2
  • adjective
  • - 可怕的 (kěpà de)

frightening

/ˈfraɪtnɪŋ/

B2
  • adjective
  • - 令人害怕的 (lìng rén hàipà de)

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